Another Coup in Africa: What is the economic effect?

[philipma1957]

People of Niger just arrested the French ambassador This is after another french official (possibly an intelligence officer) was arrested the other day.
It appears that the colonizers are not going to leave peacefully but they'll have to be kicked out by force.

France is looking for an opportunity to invade Niger. The new government of Niger has ordered Sylvain Itte the French Ambassador to leave the country for not honoring an invitation by the new regime. The ambassador has refused to leave. This situation is a clear indication that France still sees Niger as its colony.  Every country has the right to expel diplomats without restriction but France is pushing the new government to the wall. Even French President Emmanuel Macron is encouraging Sylvain to disobey the orders of the government. France may soon claim that its ambassador has been assaulted and use it as an excuse to launch a military invasion with her allies. But the war will not be easy because this is not the 18th century.  

"On July 26, 2023, soldiers from the Presidential Guard blocked access to Bazoum's residence. The president's office said on the president's Twitter account that individual guards "launched a mutiny in a vain attempt to gain the support of the National Armed Forces and the National Guard."....""

Typical military coup. Which means the change of power is not legitimate, and neither is the head of the military junta. And why should anyone follow their orders ?
Well and most importantly - everyone understands that a military coup in one of the poorest African countries will not lead to anything positive, neither for the inhabitants of the country nor for its political weight in the world. I can even predict what will happen. Those close to the junta will gain access to the country's wealth, or simply appropriate someone's property, organize their own private military company, just to protect themselves from the population of their country.... Such "power" is not capable of anything else....

This is a classic "meet the new boss same as the boss move"

I can only hope it does not get worse with mass executions and the military pillaging the civilians.

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[pooya87]

I can only hope it does not get worse with mass executions and the military pillaging the civilians.

Such things only happen in the Western orchestrated coups where those involved are taking orders from foreign powers and they have to suppress the people in order to be able to rule over them. In case of the coups in Africa, from what I've seen, they are coming from the people themselves not some foreign powers which means if there would be any executions it would be execution of the foreign criminals and occupiers.

But of course we have to wait and see what the future holds. So many similar previous revolutions were shut down by the colonizers by mass murdering people in order to shut it down and revert the changes.

[DrBeer]

"On July 26, 2023, soldiers from the Presidential Guard blocked access to Bazoum's residence. The president's office said on the president's Twitter account that individual guards "launched a mutiny in a vain attempt to gain the support of the National Armed Forces and the National Guard."....""

Typical military coup. Which means the change of power is not legitimate, and neither is the head of the military junta. And why should anyone follow their orders ?
Well and most importantly - everyone understands that a military coup in one of the poorest African countries will not lead to anything positive, neither for the inhabitants of the country nor for its political weight in the world. I can even predict what will happen. Those close to the junta will gain access to the country's wealth, or simply appropriate someone's property, organize their own private military company, just to protect themselves from the population of their country.... Such "power" is not capable of anything else....

This is a classic "meet the new boss same as the boss move"

I can only hope it does not get worse with mass executions and the military pillaging the civilians.

That is the essence of the problem: there is not a change of power to improve the situation in the country and the economy, but simply the seizure of power by a dubious group, who have no other goals except the goal of power and personal enrichment. Plus they believe that they can hold power by any method available to them - and this means death, destruction, further degradation of the country.... It is very unfortunate that often the population supports such coups, and then they themselves suffer from the fact that once again they did not think, but simply believed the crooks.

[sana54210]

Because I may not know the real situation there. Because usually the emergence of a coup is caused by dissatisfaction felt by certain parties. But a coup can also occur because of a struggle for power. And many other types of coups. But regardless of the problem. In fact, the impact of a coup in an ordinary country may not be that big on the global economy. But if it is a country that produces raw materials from mining or similar then clearly it will have a slight impact on the global economy in terms of the type of mining material itself. It's just that maybe it won't have a big effect on other things.

What I'm worried about is that there are outside parties who actually trigger this coup to happen. So that they can enter and make big profits afterwards. But I hope it's not like what I think.

I would guess that coups are usually not to make a nation better but to get into the power yourself instead. Looking at all the coups in Africa so far, majority of it didn't made the nations better, the point was never to get the nation into a better place, there are nations where coup didn't even change the daily life, it was literally nothing. Why did it happen then?

Well, politicians are politicians and they are people in suits, whereas military is military and they can just decide to take over whenever they want, even if you were a military leader and took over with a coup, new military leader could do it to you as well. That makes it the better situation and then they end up living happily with all the money they steal.

[bittraffic]

"On July 26, 2023, soldiers from the Presidential Guard blocked access to Bazoum's residence. The president's office said on the president's Twitter account that individual guards "launched a mutiny in a vain attempt to gain the support of the National Armed Forces and the National Guard."....""

Typical military coup. Which means the change of power is not legitimate, and neither is the head of the military junta. And why should anyone follow their orders ?
Well and most importantly - everyone understands that a military coup in one of the poorest African countries will not lead to anything positive, neither for the inhabitants of the country nor for its political weight in the world. I can even predict what will happen. Those close to the junta will gain access to the country's wealth, or simply appropriate someone's property, organize their own private military company, just to protect themselves from the population of their country.... Such "power" is not capable of anything else....

This is a classic "meet the new boss same as the boss move"

I can only hope it does not get worse with mass executions and the military pillaging the civilians.

That is the essence of the problem: there is not a change of power to improve the situation in the country and the economy, but simply the seizure of power by a dubious group, who have no other goals except the goal of power and personal enrichment. Plus they believe that they can hold power by any method available to them - and this means death, destruction, further degradation of the country.... It is very unfortunate that often the population supports such coups, and then they themselves suffer from the fact that once again they did not think, but simply believed the crooks.

This time I think they got it right removing the government leaders of their country especially the countries in Saheel. Governments in those regions like that of Niger are backed by France. These countries are still colonized by France and they are now removing France's military from their countries. 

France embassy took terrible embarrassment when the junta cut their electricity and water supply eventually kicking them out. And they are also planning to kick out the US military too. Somehow the governments of those countries find Russia and China to be their new partners.

[Smartvirus]

The president Ali Bongo Ondimba family history as the president has been since 56 years ago, but the majority of the country lives in poverty:

I look at those numbers and wonder just how democratic they’ve been in Gabon and wonder if any of the European country truly practice such democracy?
It seems like it’s an Africa arise session and this can be done only through the military, taking back their country from the hands and plots of neocolonialism that continues in the form of resources. Before now, it was about human resource but now, it’s all natural resources. Africa can’t keep been a raw material extract epicenter.

Africa needs to develop and be able to use these resources to better Africa and the condition of living in Africa. Just how do a people produce that which stabilizes other nations and them themselves lives in poverty and unbalanced societies. Where waders prefer ruling their people from a foreign country! It’s just absurd.

I just hope these military guys don’t go corrupt as the formal democrats. It’s there’s to decide and so, let Gabon decide.

[panganib999]

A coup whether successful or not carries with it effects and omens in a sense. For the most part, these coups are a testament or an after-effect of a community/tribe/group of people under a single banner's dismay of the current system with which the government operates. So much so that the only thing they see that would answer this is the head of the country's leader. That itself is a symptom, the fact that they are not satisfied with what they are being given, shows that the country is either both incapable of providing these people what they want, or just simply unwilling, both unwise choices if I do say so myself.

A coup would also weaken the country's military defense, instead of investing these people to train for bigger wars, they are left to fend off the attacks, which will expend them, weaken them by the numbers, and may even cook their morale to a point that a few of them may join the militant action as well.

Coups carry with it a lot of effects, not just economic. Economy will be hit first, but it will be the last one standing as well.

[DrBeer]

This time I think they got it right removing the government leaders of their country especially the countries in Saheel. Governments in those regions like that of Niger are backed by France. These countries are still colonized by France and they are now removing France's military from their countries. 
France embassy took terrible embarrassment when the junta cut their electricity and water supply eventually kicking them out. And they are also planning to kick out the US military too. Somehow the governments of those countries find Russia and China to be their new partners.

If a country's government was corrupt, cared only about its own profit and spit on the people of the country - I agree, such a government should be stripped of power.
Another question is what does the new government offer to the people?
No offense, but I have not yet seen a single coup in African countries, where as a result of such a change of power the situation would have changed really for the better, for the country, for the population, and not for the "new government".
Perhaps I have not studied history in depth, I would be grateful if you could provide other information.

[Y3shot]

This time I think they got it right removing the government leaders of their country especially the countries in Saheel. Governments in those regions like that of Niger are backed by France. These countries are still colonized by France and they are now removing France's military from their countries. 
France embassy took terrible embarrassment when the junta cut their electricity and water supply eventually kicking them out. And they are also planning to kick out the US military too. Somehow the governments of those countries find Russia and China to be their new partners.

If a country's government was corrupt, cared only about its own profit and spit on the people of the country - I agree, such a government should be stripped of power.
Another question is what does the new government offer to the people?
No offense, but I have not yet seen a single coup in African countries, where as a result of such a change of power the situation would have changed really for the better, for the country, for the population, and not for the "new government".
Perhaps I have not studied history in depth, I would be grateful if you could provide other information.

I can't really remember, their was this coup that happened recently and the new government gave the finance minister during the old government 48hours if not mistaken to come and give account on how money was spent during the old government regime which he was crying on a live television because he doesn't know how to go about to give account.  From the coup we have been  seeing so far we see the reactions of the people how happy they are, I know most coup haven't change the system totally but a transition government is far better than previous government in terms of corruption.

[DrBeer]

I can't really remember, their was this coup that happened recently and the new government gave the finance minister during the old government 48hours if not mistaken to come and give account on how money was spent during the old government regime which he was crying on a live television because he doesn't know how to go about to give account.  From the coup we have been  seeing so far we see the reactions of the people how happy they are, I know most coup haven't change the system totally but a transition government is far better than previous government in terms of corruption.

I saw that video too. And the reaction of the "Minister of Finance" is quite expected - working in a corrupt scheme, it is difficult to give an honest report, and not giving one is a death penalty. In short, they will be shot either for corruption or for hiding corruption. There should be punishment, and it should be such that it would be more profitable not to commit a crime than to be punished for it.
But "showboating" As a technician, I can say a phrase that well describes my thought: it is not so important the error of the system as the reaction of the system to the error. I.e. what we need from the new government is not a "show with punishment", but a real plan to bring the country out of the critical situation of corruption and a declining economy. But... I haven't heard a word of such a plan from the "new president". I'm afraid it will end with the next coup, where the current government will be punished... and so on in a circle.....

[uchegod-21]

This time I think they got it right removing the government leaders of their country especially the countries in Saheel. Governments in those regions like that of Niger are backed by France. These countries are still colonized by France and they are now removing France's military from their countries. 
France embassy took terrible embarrassment when the junta cut their electricity and water supply eventually kicking them out. And they are also planning to kick out the US military too. Somehow the governments of those countries find Russia and China to be their new partners.

If a country's government was corrupt, cared only about its own profit and spit on the people of the country - I agree, such a government should be stripped of power.
Another question is what does the new government offer to the people?
No offense, but I have not yet seen a single coup in African countries, where as a result of such a change of power the situation would have changed really for the better, for the country, for the population, and not for the "new government".
Perhaps I have not studied history in depth, I would be grateful if you could provide other information.

Coups in Africa are usually for selfish reasons.  No Successful coup has benefited the common man. There is no guarantee right now that the new government will do better. The citizens are already enduring the harsh economy of the the state. Restricting some of their fundamental rights (which is very common in a military regime) is another burden altogether. No one is certain about what the new day brings as the military head of state can issue a decree any moment to counter what the previous government had on ground.

Businesses cannot strive in such an environment.  Foreign investors and tourists will not find the country attractive for business or recreation. The whole political and economic environment is tensed up. No coup has worked in favour of Africa

[Yogee]

[....]
Coups in Africa are usually for selfish reasons.  No Successful coup has benefited the common man. There is no guarantee right now that the new government will do better. The citizens are already enduring the harsh economy of the the state. Restricting some of their fundamental rights (which is very common in a military regime) is another burden altogether. No one is certain about what the new day brings as the military head of state can issue a decree any moment to counter what the previous government had on ground.

Businesses cannot strive in such an environment.  Foreign investors and tourists will not find the country attractive for business or recreation. The whole political and economic environment is tensed up. No coup has worked in favour of Africa

I am not well-versed in the history of coups and in Africa but what I want to ask is would you rather have a country that is being run by "puppets" than by a nationalistic leader? I mean it's been pretty much established that the former President is heavily influenced by the French Government. No military takeover succeeded before as you said and maybe that's because they didn't get support from other countries. It could be different this time with the increasing presence of China.

[Fiatless]

If a country's government was corrupt, cared only about its own profit and spit on the people of the country - I agree, such a government should be stripped of power.
Another question is what does the new government offer to the people?

I will accept that the focus of any government (military or civilian), should be to uplift the living conditions of the people.  But we have seen in Africa is the opposite because most military coups brought more suffering to the people. It brought corruption and extra judicial killings.

No offense, but I have not yet seen a single coup in African countries, where as a result of such a change of power the situation would have changed really for the better, for the country, for the population, and not for the "new government".
Perhaps I have not studied history in depth, I would be grateful if you could provide other information.

But your stance that no coup in Africa has led to the development of the country is not factual.

You need to read about the coup carried out by Thomas Sankara that turned Burkina Faso into a Pan-African state
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

Check the coup of Jerry Rawlings that improved the Ghanaian economy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Rawlings

Libyans are still regretting the killing of Muammar Gaddafi by a Western-backed insurrection. Libya was better than some European nations when Gaddafi was in power and he will be forever remembered as a great military leader.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi

Murtala Muhammed is celebrated as one of the best Nigerian leaders but he was a military head of state. He changed almost all the sectors of Nigeria positively in a few months.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtala_Muhammed

[trendcoin]

In my country there have been many coups by fascists in the past and we are still facing this danger. Each coup took our country back 10 years in terms of economic and social life. Thanks to God, there has not been a coup for the last 20 years and the last coup was stopped by our people standing against the tanks. Some of those who stood against the tanks lost their lives. We really fought a great struggle and won our freedom.

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We cannot talk about peace unless we send the barbarians who do not respect the results of democracy to the bottom of hell. Damn all coups, whether pro-Western or pro-Eastern. There is no sign that the new government that comes with a coup will be better than the old one. We can only survive if we preserve the culture of democracy and make it widespread.

[gabbie2010]

The argument from the citizens of these African countries is that France is only concerned about exploiting raw materials and doesn't care about the development of the local economy. Others are also stimulating  that these coups are sponsored by some external forces that want to replace France. What is the economic effect of the coup in Gabon on the global economy?

From my own point of view I agreed with some public opinion which are of the view that France had continue to exploit those countries resources without replicating it with massive infrastructural development instead they continue to enrich the few corrupt civilian rulers this had been going on for years, civilian leaders are very corrupt using all their mineral proceeds obtained from France by investing in abroad at the expense of growing numbers of unemployed youths, rapid infrastructural decay without redress this is absolutely unacceptable and consequently brought about the coup that had taken place which was widely accepted by the citizens in those countries.

[Fortify]

Just early this morning some group of soldiers in Gabon declared that they had overthrown the democratically elected government in Gabon, Africa. President Ali Bongo Ondimba has been placed under house arrest and there are also celebrations on the streets of the capital  Libreville.

Some observers believe that these coups in these former French colonies like the Central African Republic, Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger is to reduce France's economic influence in Africa. Gabon has the largest manganese mine in the world and it is controlled by the French mining group Eramet. Manganese is a major raw material used to produce steel and batteries. The company that employs about 8,000 workers has suspended its operation due to this coup. There have also been concerns about the continuity of uranium mining by French-based Orano after the coup in Niger. Niger supplies about controlled 15% of France’s uranium needs.

The argument from the citizens of these African countries is that France is only concerned about exploiting raw materials and doesn't care about the development of the local economy. Others are also stimulating  that these coups are sponsored by some external forces that want to replace France. What is the economic effect of the coup in Gabon on the global economy?

Sadly at this point, another coup has an almost negligible effect on the general prosperity of Africa. It seems to run through the veins of the continent that even democratic leaning countries are so fragile, they can be overthrown with pressure applied in the right (or wrong) places. To countries like Russia, where the governments are considered either vulnerable to manipulation or can be setup for a coup, they benefit from injecting their mercenaries in and profit from the highest bidder - almost as if it's a new industry they are creating. They'll definitely get paid first as well, when they are positioned to "guard" key locations like diamond mines or similar, so the politicians simply get brushed aside if they do not agree.

[Y3shot]

What is the economic effect of the coup in Gabon on the global economy?

Countries that depended heavily on them and were exploiting them will be directly affected by the coup because the military that has taken over will not want to continue with any agreement that they may have had with the ousted government. If it was raw materials, there will be shortages, if it was food export, there will be shortage too.

For you, the countries usually taken over by a coup often issue a no-flight zone (NFZ) on their airspace, so as a person who is travelling by air and  may have to travel pass their airspace, flights may be redirected and perhaps flight fees will increase, so you spend more.

This is if the military will really do what the civilian government couldn't do because for sometime now I have heard about some military coup that had taking place in some countries in Africa but I haven't heard any significant change in this country.  To me I feel the reason for most of the coup happening in Africa is as a result of revenge or disagreement between military and the government,  it wasn't done because they have good agenda of rebuilding the economy. It was only some years back that I know of coups in Africa that affected the economy for good, but this recent coup no good change or effect in the economy.

[uchegod-21]

[....]
Coups in Africa are usually for selfish reasons.  No Successful coup has benefited the common man. There is no guarantee right now that the new government will do better. The citizens are already enduring the harsh economy of the the state. Restricting some of their fundamental rights (which is very common in a military regime) is another burden altogether. No one is certain about what the new day brings as the military head of state can issue a decree any moment to counter what the previous government had on ground.

Businesses cannot strive in such an environment.  Foreign investors and tourists will not find the country attractive for business or recreation. The whole political and economic environment is tensed up. No coup has worked in favour of Africa

I am not well-versed in the history of coups and in Africa but what I want to ask is would you rather have a country that is being run by "puppets" than by a nationalistic leader? I mean it's been pretty much established that the former President is heavily influenced by the French Government. No military takeover succeeded before as you said and maybe that's because they didn't get support from other countries. It could be different this time with the increasing presence of China.

They always make us believe that the new government will do better but at the end, they turn out to be like the former or even worse. How will things go well when there is no separation of power? There will be too much power vested in the hands of the military which is not healthy for any government. It will only be fair if the new government will do things constitutionally for the benefit of all.
Let's just keep our fingers crossed.  Who knows, this might be a turning point for Gabon and other African countries who have experienced coup.

[DrBeer]

If a country's government was corrupt, cared only about its own profit and spit on the people of the country - I agree, such a government should be stripped of power.
Another question is what does the new government offer to the people?

I will accept that the focus of any government (military or civilian), should be to uplift the living conditions of the people.  But we have seen in Africa is the opposite because most military coups brought more suffering to the people. It brought corruption and extra judicial killings.

No offense, but I have not yet seen a single coup in African countries, where as a result of such a change of power the situation would have changed really for the better, for the country, for the population, and not for the "new government".
Perhaps I have not studied history in depth, I would be grateful if you could provide other information.

But your stance that no coup in Africa has led to the development of the country is not factual.

You need to read about the coup carried out by Thomas Sankara that turned Burkina Faso into a Pan-African state
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

Check the coup of Jerry Rawlings that improved the Ghanaian economy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Rawlings

Libyans are still regretting the killing of Muammar Gaddafi by a Western-backed insurrection. Libya was better than some European nations when Gaddafi was in power and he will be forever remembered as a great military leader.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi

Murtala Muhammed is celebrated as one of the best Nigerian leaders but he was a military head of state. He changed almost all the sectors of Nigeria positively in a few months.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtala_Muhammed

Thank you for the information, I really didn’t know about some people and their contribution to the DEVELOPMENT and CHANGE of their countries.
But there are nuances...
1. Thomas Sankara. I agree, he launched reforms in the country...but was soon killed by the “Durg” Blaise Compaoré. After which many more coups took place in the country, as a result the country can hardly be called changing for the better.
2. Blaise Compaoré - I completely agree here, the man managed to improve the economy and wisely manage the country's rich resources. Not perfect, but compared to many others it’s very good.
3. Murtala Muhammad. I found no information about his reforms. But I found an explanation for the temporary positive effect - “Having become the head of state, Murtala Muhammad inherited a huge amount of oil and petroleum resources, as well as huge but untapped reserves of natural gas.” . Perhaps you can clarify what reforms he led and carried out?
4. Muammar Gaddafi is a very controversial figure. On the one hand - the “father of the nation”, on the other hand, the man behind the beautiful picture had a lot of grief. Killed by his own “loving citizens”... I read a lot of different stories about him, some positive but also many very negative.

These are 4 characters for the entire continent, for the entire 20/21st century. Most of the other coups unfortunately did not produce anything positive. I looked for information, but couldn't find it...

Please do not take my answer as an attempt to offend you, this is just the overall picture. It seems that there were individuals who wanted to bring benefit and progress to their countries, but there were really only a few of them, and the further situation did not develop in the best way.

With hope for understanding!

[usekevin]

They always make us believe that the new government will do better but at the end, they turn out to be like the former or even worse. How will things go well when there is no separation of power? There will be too much power vested in the hands of the military which is not healthy for any government. It will only be fair if the new government will do things constitutionally for the benefit of all.
Let's just keep our fingers crossed.  Who knows, this might be a turning point for Gabon and other African countries who have experienced coup.

The coup always target the government and build the new government using the people and army support.But the problem in the coup is they act like the monopoly and military rule in the country,for certain things the military government will be good.But the coup are less knowledge about the administration,So they can’t hold the government for the longer period.The best way of the government to the people is  democratic government,but the government should work for the people.But most of the democratic government was running for the self benefit.