Trust Flags!!!

[Sexylizzy2813]

Have been wondering about this trust flag, trust issues or whatever is called...
Have been seeing so many accounts with numbers written on that trust position, some are of good (like the first one =) but my main concern is the one with (-).
An account with, let me say (-9) for instance, how can that be removed?
Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?
Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?
If there's, how long will it take to be approved?

I need answers...

[Cantsay]

One thing you should keep in mind is that; the trust system is not moderated, so moderators and admins don’t usually interfere in issues that concerns negative trust usage. The only way that a user can remove the neg-trust in his profile is when the person that gave him/her in the first place decide to remove it, you can’t remove yourself neither can other members do it for you.

Another thing I have witnessed is, when you’re wrongly accused and given a neg tag and it’s obvious that it was not worth a negative tag a DT-member can counter the tag with a positive tag i.e write against the negative tag so that anyone going through your trust feedback would be able to know that you were wrongly accused. But I’m cases where the accusations were correct you won’t be able to remove your tags.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

[dzungmobile]

An account with, let me say (-9) for instance, how can that be removed?

Who left those trust feedbacks are able to removed it.

Other forum members can affect DT2 member list so can have impacts on visibility of trust feedback.

The user can hide that trust feedback by adding users who left those trust feedback to his distrust list.

Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?

If it is scam and was left those feedbacks by DT members, almost stay forever especially the example with very deep negative.

Beginners guide to correct use of Trust system.

[Zaguru12]

Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?
Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?
If there's, how long will it take to be approved?

That is what the Reputation board is all about. Once you feel you have been wrongly tagged, you create a thread on reputation board and the members will look into it, if it is true that tag was actually wrong then those who left the tag will definitely remove it or at most change it to neutral base on the new information they finds out.

In a scenario where one user who creates flag doesn’t wants to change it after substantial evidence has been found then other DT members will oppose the flag and if the number supersedes the supporters then it would not be visible.

The user can hide that trust feedback by adding users who left those trust feedback to his distrust list.

Isn’t this applicable only to non-DT members. Because I think even if you distrust a DT member it will still be visible, on that of non-DT wouldn’t (I am not sure on this though).

[Don Pedro Dinero]

The first thing you should be clear about is the difference between trust feedback and trust flags. The trust feedback is what you can see in the profile in green, red or black. Green is for positive feedback, red for negative feedback and black for neutral feedback. In theory red and green are for managing trading risk, for example if you make a successful trade with someone on the forum, you can leave positive feedback. If, on the other hand, he scammed you, you leave negative feedback. In this case it would be convenient to add a trust flag, which you have a whole thread to read about.

Trust flags

About the rest I think you have been answered well, like if someone leaves you negative feedback, you can open a thread in the Reputation section, although I would recommend you to send them a PM first asking them to remove it, and whether they remove it or not will depend on the person.

[reagansimms]

Only the person who gave them the negative belief can remove it. Usually, if the level of trust has reached level (-9), it means that the account has made heavy customers, especially since the references attached to the trust left by DT members show valid evidence of the mistakes made. Yes, that would be an incurable wound for those caught by DT members deliberately dodging forum bans, because an unmoderated belief system is very difficult to wipe out entire Red trust (DT members have different perceptions on the level of bans that the perpetrator avoids).
It's useless to appeal, it won't change anything. DT members remain in principle, they do not easily revoke Red trust on accounts that have committed violations that have been determined in the forum.

[Jawhead999]

Although most of accounts that got many negative feedbacks are scammers, but there's an exception like few very known users who're get few negative feedback and still able to participate in signature campaign. This because the users are highly knowledgeable or many users are trust them more than the users that not trust them.

Feedback isn't last forever, but if there's an user leave a feedback and passed away, the feedback will last forever as long as he's still in DT network.

[hosseinimr93]

Sexylizzy2813, I feel you are confusing feedbacks with flags.
You can post a feedback for any user of the forum and its type can be positive, neutral or negative. If you believe trading with a user is highly risky, you can add a flag.

Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?

The user who has posted the feedback is the only one who can remove it.

Another thing I have witnessed is, when you’re wrongly accused and given a neg tag and it’s obvious that it was not worth a negative tag a DT-member can counter the tag with a positive tag i.e write against the negative tag so that anyone going through your trust feedback would be able to know that you were wrongly accused.

You won't get positive trust by DT members because someone has wrongly given you negative trust.
If someone has given you a negative trust and other DT1 members disagree with that, they can distrust the user who gave you a negative trust to remove him/her from default trust list.

Other forum members can affect DT2 member list so can have impacts on visibility of trust feedback.

Not only DT2 members. Even DT1 members can be removed from the default trust list.
If you are eligible for being a DT1 member, you would be removed from the default trust list, in the case the number of DT1 members who distrust you is bigger than the number of DT1 members who trust you.

[Rikafip]

Isn’t this applicable only to non-DT members. Because I think even if you distrust a DT member it will still be visible, on that of non-DT wouldn’t (I am not sure on this though).

Nope. If you distrust someone, his feedback won't be visible to you no matter whether he is DT member or not.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Sexylizzy2813, I feel you are confusing feedbacks with flags.
You can post a feedback for any user of the forum and its type can be positive, neutral or negative. If you believe trading with a user is highly risky, you can add a flag.

Mehn...so confused no doubt, with what you said... What if that particular users was given the negative feedback for the wrong reason but I still decide to trade with him/her and it turns out to be different like the trade was successful?

The user who has posted the feedback is the only one who can remove it.

Then is going to be like a grudge, sometimes both users might have a misunderstanding and instead of settling it amicablely one of the grudge part would just drop the bomb shell just to punish the other user for no reason and in some cases the one who dropped the feedback won't want to remove it even if he's being told to, so if such happens is there no other way apart from the person that did it?

[hosseinimr93]

Mehn...so confused no doubt, with what you said... What if that particular users was given the negative feedback for the wrong reason but I still decide to trade with him/her and it turns out to be different like the trade was successful?

There's nothing stopping you from trading with the user who has received negative feedback and there's nothing stopping you from posting a positive feedback, if you believe that the user is trustworthy.
If you believe that the feedbacks posted by a user are wrong, you can simply distrust the user, so that the feedbacks posted by him are not shown as trusted feedback for you.

Then is going to be like a grudge, sometimes both users might have a misunderstanding and instead of settling it amicablely one of the grudge part would just drop the bomb shell just to punish the other user for no reason and in some cases the one who dropped the feedback won't want to remove it even if he's being told to, so if such happens is there no other way apart from the person that did it?

If you believe that the negative feedback has been posted wrongly, post a topic about that in "reputation" board. In the case DT1 members agree with you, they will distrust the user.

[lovesmayfamilis]

A user with many negative reviews often acquires a reputation as a scammer for a very long time, which is almost impossible to get rid of. Because the violation by someone who received numerous negative tags had been severe or many users reacted to it.
When entering into a deal with a person who received a negative tag, you should take responsibility and think several times that once they acted wrongly, this user can be cunning in other situations. No wonder we call it reputation.
But of course, if you see single red tags that do not speak of some global violation but are just a play of power by another DT, you should not be very prejudiced toward your opponent.

[DVlog]

Have been wondering about this trust flag, trust issues or whatever is called...
Have been seeing so many accounts with numbers written on that trust position, some are of good (like the first one =) but my main concern is the one with (-).
An account with, let me say (-9) for instance, how can that be removed?
Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?
Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?
If there's, how long will it take to be approved?

I need answers...

This trust system makes this forum environment feel decentralized. The trust system is not moderated so anyone can give you a negative or positive trust but a trust rating from DT members matters. It's not like a centralized authority where the leader selects whom to trust and others follow his commands. I saw DT members arguing with each other on different topics. So if a DT member puts a negative trust rating with inequity then sometimes other DT members talk against it. So they always try to be careful when putting a trust rating on someone.

[DdmrDdmr]

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In addition to what’s already been said so far, and having separated Trust from Flags (they’re two different sets of feedback, though often related), focusing on the Trust System, one interesting thing to know is that feedback and scores provided by inactive accounts will remain there forever (or so to say).
By this I mean that, since Trust feedback can only be removed by the person who gave the feedback (and often chances are slim of this actually happening), they are even worse if the giver’s account goes off the grid (0 chance) ...

Now people often just look at the Trust scores (numbers), and assume that the account is untrustworthy because of the numbers they see, though one should take that as an indicator, and dig into the feedback itself (both Trusted and Untrusted) to see the descriptive nature of that negative Trust.

Bear in mind that Trust counter values (positive; neutral; negative) display values based on your Trust list. The vast majority used the default Trust list, whilst a reduced set of people use a Customized Trust list (like I do). The values one sees on these counters may differ to those seen with a default Trust list (i.e. I could be seeing +0 / =0 / -2 whilst you could be seeing +0 / =0 / -1), and the feedback could visually move section from Trusted feedback to Untrusted feedback or vice-versa).

The counters show only values derived from your Trust list (be it default or custom), and correlate to what´s seen on the Trusted Feedback (meaning not under the Untrusted feedback section). Since, as said, most people have a default Trust List (level 2), Feedback from the DT network (up to level 2) are what count towards the Trust counters for the most. That’s why, in general terms, people are more concerned with trust received from DT1/DT2 than with trust received from other accounts. Note that DT members vary over time, which may change the impression of the received feedback one way or another.

And no, trusted feedback has historically not always been used in accordance to what it was intended for (commerce related). For example, my trust profile has a bunch of positive feedback which is not commerce related. It also includes 2 negative ratings under Untrusted feedback, both retaliation for having tagged them first.

[Yamane_Keto]

so if such happens is there no other way apart from the person that did it?

If the account contains one or two negative trusts, it is not a big problem if the user has many positive trusts. Your campaign manager has - 2 trust, and yet many projects trust him with more than 1k trust.
It is rare to find a person who has a - 9 negative trust without one of them indicating that he is a scammer or has previously scammed someone.

What account are you talking about, and what are feedbacks next to each trust? Is it based on evidence, or is it personal or for reasons far from trust? These are all indicators that determine whether you will trust him or not.

[jokers10]

so if such happens is there no other way apart from the person that did it?

If the account contains one or two negative trusts, it is not a big problem if the user has many positive trusts. Your campaign manager has - 2 trust, and yet many projects trust him with more than 1k trust.
It is rare to find a person who has a - 9 negative trust without one of them indicating that he is a scammer or has previously scammed someone.

What account are you talking about, and what are feedbacks next to each trust? Is it based on evidence, or is it personal or for reasons far from trust? These are all indicators that determine whether you will trust him or not.

It depends not on amount of negative and positive tags, it depends on for what reason those tags were left. If the problem was overcome and was not so big while positive feedback is left for important things, then negative feedback can have less importance. But if opposite...

In some cases even neutral tags and untrusted feedback can have sense. So it's better not to rely on a future positive feedback which possibly will be more important. It's better to try to not to get any feedback of negative kind, as far as it's possible.

[SmartGold01]

From little I have learnt so far Op, flag and trust aren't the same because flag show strong evidence that such person have violated some agreements between two parties or for instance, you have a money deal and you promised to pay in few months to come and its happens that you didn't respond to the agreement or have refused to pay as promised this may warrant the opposite to create flag since you didn't refund the money. Then trust to me is like you aren't being honest since or likely to scam someone at this point giving a negative trust is possible, but if someone speak hate of you or do not judge a case in your favor doesn't need a negative trust but however neutral tag can be given to such person if actually is deem necessary otherwise no need. You can educate yourself more better over here, although there have been several good respond you can actually look into as well.

[holydarkness]

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Another thing I have witnessed is, when you’re wrongly accused and given a neg tag and it’s obvious that it was not worth a negative tag a DT-member can counter the tag with a positive tag i.e write against the negative tag so that anyone going through your trust feedback would be able to know that you were wrongly accused. But I’m cases where the accusations were correct you won’t be able to remove your tags.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

A bit added info for this part, a DT-member can't counter the negative tag with positive, per se, as how it used to work. Previously, when a negative [-1] is perceived as unfair, a DT can jump in and countered with positive [+1], both scores will negate each other. But with the recent system, both scores "co-exist" and what's shown in someone's profile is the total scores, e.g., if someone has 4 negatives [-4] and 5 positives [+5], it will no longer shows -0/0/+1, but rather -4/0/+5

[Juse14]

Although most of accounts that got many negative feedbacks are scammers, but there's an exception like few very known users who're get few negative feedback and still able to participate in signature campaign. This because the users are highly knowledgeable or many users are trust them more than the users that not trust them.

Feedback isn't last forever, but if there's an user leave a feedback and passed away, the feedback will last forever as long as he's still in DT network.

That's quite terrible, some time ago I also thought about this, how to erase negative beliefs, but from your explanation I understand that there is no other way to erase negative beliefs, except maybe because of the generosity/initiative from DT who gives the sign itself can delete it.

To fight this may be more positive trust tags, but that also does not guarantee fully. (possible)

[jokers10]

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Another thing I have witnessed is, when you’re wrongly accused and given a neg tag and it’s obvious that it was not worth a negative tag a DT-member can counter the tag with a positive tag i.e write against the negative tag so that anyone going through your trust feedback would be able to know that you were wrongly accused. But I’m cases where the accusations were correct you won’t be able to remove your tags.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

A bit added info for this part, a DT-member can't counter the negative tag with positive, per se, as how it used to work. Previously, when a negative [-1] is perceived as unfair, a DT can jump in and countered with positive [+1], both scores will negate each other. But with the recent system, both scores "co-exist" and what's shown in someone's profile is the total scores, e.g., if someone has 4 negatives [-4] and 5 positives [+5], it will no longer shows -0/0/+1, but rather -4/0/+5

That's right, but if a DT member has a strong belief that some tag is not appropriate he can leave his own tag with explanation why a tag of someone else should not be considered. The one who will read the feedback can make his own conclusions about the case. So it is impossible to counter someone's tag mathematically, but DT member can do it in words.

But it happens so rare that someone from DT leaves so debatable tag that someone else wants to say something in counteract. I saw such tags once or twice.