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September 06, 2023, 01:10:50 PM
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I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it. So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly. Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

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September 06, 2023, 01:18:32 PM
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According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.

I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.

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September 06, 2023, 01:20:36 PM
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This forum adopt free speech, if you don't like some users that using bad words, then click ignore in their profiles.

I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it.
Imagine you ask the administrator to censor "black monkey" words, if I use "black" or "monkey" word in my post (not trolling), the administrator will censor "black" or "monkey" word, this is false positive because it's not sensitive.

However someone can just use number to replace the word to make it visible e.g. bl4ck m0nk3y.

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September 06, 2023, 01:31:24 PM
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According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.
Ensure you are not misquoting LoyceV because the above statement seems ambiguous. If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.
What is your understanding of freedom of speech? Do you know that there is an unofficial rule that says "No trolling?". If freedom of speech is what you think it is, why will such a rule apply?

However someone can just use number to replace the word to make it visible e.g. bl4ck m0nk3y.
This is better, because even the person using numbers to replace words in order to use a foul word is convinced that they are doing something wrong and the receiver will no be wholly offended because the effect of the foul word is tammed by the sanity of the forum.

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September 06, 2023, 01:49:03 PM
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How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
Why the fuck would you want something like that? And if you can't handle that, start using ignore option or even better grow a thicker skin.

I've been active on various forums for more than 20 years and one thing that always bothered me is that on vast majority of them you couldn't tell some idiot to fuck off without getting ban of some sort, or generally say something that doesn't align with moderators view so you can imagine how happy I was when I registered here.

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September 06, 2023, 01:56:06 PM
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How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
There is unofficial rule against trolling.
3. No trolling.
But it does not lead to instant ban on a forum user after a trolling post. You can report trolling posts and help to erase them in the forum but to hope that the user will get a ban which is either temporary or permanent, is not easily reaching target.

Usually ban hammer is very softly used for trolling violations.

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September 06, 2023, 02:02:35 PM
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How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

That will never happen, no matter that you and some others won't like it, because on this forum not even a scam is moderated, let alone some harsh words. I personally also don't want to read particularly offensive or rather simply vulgar posts, but as other members say, use the ignore button and don't wonder what's in someone's head because they're doing something that's not normal for you.

Before your time, some people called this way of expression poetry - luckily for you, you weren't here because you wouldn't have felt very welcome on the forum Wink

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September 06, 2023, 02:25:45 PM
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I searched some old threads and even recent and found alot of trolls. Sometimes the trolling goes extreme. I have read where a big user of this forum was called a pedophile and he was so much wounded that he threatened to involve authorities.
I mean I can also call anyone a black monkey and go away with it. So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly. Actually there are bullies in this forum amidst the kind ones.
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

I think this forum is still much better than social media like Facebook and Twitter. I've been offended here, but I'm over it and it's for the best. A more humanist forum, you can join Quora. But I'm not sure you're interested to joining there because there's no have signature campaign  Grin

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September 06, 2023, 02:37:29 PM
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According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.
Ensure you are not misquoting LoyceV because the above statement seems ambiguous. If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?

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The famous and well known reference he use to describe being offended is this post, but if you never encountered his approach on debate and attack on personal traits on numerous threads, his "[un]official" title on his personal text clearly made this stance on being offended: "Thick Skinned Gang Leader".

To answer your question, if you're [easily] got offended by someone online, it means you're "doing something wrong", as you need to have a thicker skin if you want to have peace of mind on the forum or basically anywhere else on the internet.

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September 06, 2023, 02:41:52 PM
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How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc.
This is an overkill and a suggestion I don't think will get implemented. Trolling and cyber bullying is not a major problem at this point in time, we are all just familiar strangers talking across our computer screen. But, if someone goes extremely overboard, you can report to the mods and specific action can be taken for such a case.

Even if hypothetically such a feature was implemented, it can easily be bypassed by adding certain characters to replace certain words like * or using v to replace u.

This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
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September 06, 2023, 02:45:30 PM
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Forum embodied how being decentralized like Bitcoin is. If we start censoring words that offend someone here then this only means that we are already centralized.

Ignore button and report to moderators are your best tool to fight this since the mods will delete the post if this is just off-topic and made solely just to offend/troll you. This is the difference of Bitcointalk forum to the rest of the forum.

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How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban.
It's always amazing how people volunteer to give up the freedoms they've been given. It's truely scary, not only online but also in real life.
Bitcointalk is the only forum I know that allows freedom of speech. If you don't like it, go to SJW forum.

What the f*ck, do you think censoring *BEEP* is going to make the forum any better? I miss TMAN, go read Poetry, by TMAN.

If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?
If you choose to be offended by something an anonymous person says on the big mean internet, you're doing something wrong. Why would you choose to give someone such power over you?

What is your understanding of freedom of speech? Do you know that there is an unofficial rule that says "No trolling?". If freedom of speech is what you think it is, why will such a rule apply?
Calling an idiot an idiot is not trolling. A bit more context:
However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).



To quote myself on the subject:
Just recently, I saw several posts saying: "I hope I'm not offending anyone", and it's been on my mind for a while now.

I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!

It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!

Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.
I can't agree with you. You can also gently criticize a person. To insult is only to insult, nothing more. And it is not right to talk about freedom of expression while insulting a person.
I am insulted by the very fact that you think you can have freedom of speech without being allowed to insult someone. So by your own definition you're not allowed to say that!
Luckily for you, you actually have the right to say pretty much anything you want on this forum. And as a Thick-Skinned Gang Leader, I can handle anything you throw at me.

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For example, I insulted you and you did it to me. What's the matter here? What did the forum gain from this? When viewed from the outside, the forum is seen as a place where racism, neopotism and swearing are falling.
It's the internet, I couldn't care less about your race. You can claim to be a Smurf if you want too. It can't be checked anyway, so why do you even care?
I think I'm usually pretty friendly, and I usually don't try very hard to insult people. But I can understand why others do that, and I highly value their right to do so. If someone, especially in an anonymous environment, treats others badly, it tells you a lot about them. But how you handle it says a lot about you.

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Don't you really see these kinds of statements make the forum look bad?
No. It's what makes this forum great and unique! If you don't like it, you may want to go to a heavily censored SJW forum where your fragile feelings are protected. Bitcoin is about freedom, and you can't have freedom to say what you want without other people having the same freedom to say what they want. Grow a thicker skin or choose to have a fragile ego hurt.
I'm pretty sure there are already texts that you don't like embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain. It's okay. You don't have to read it. Why would you even bother to read things on a website if it insults you?



How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
I'm offended by your suggestion. Now you deserve a 7 day ban Tongue



You should spend 2.5 minutes to listen to this guy: the only proper response to someone who says: "I'm offended!" is: "I don't care!".

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September 06, 2023, 03:24:15 PM
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Usage of foul words can not be stopped by using some type of pattern or word detection tool. Because such filtration or detection tools will only filter words which are inserted in the database as foul ones. Means that if some person a unique way of bashing other and those words are not included in the data base then those words will not be filtered and that person can go away without any punishment.

The best way is already there in usage, which is report to the moderators. This feature is present at the bottom right corner. If you find any post not following the rules or using any type of foul language. Then report that post to the moderators and see the results. Believe me moderators are so active that you will get the response in few hours. I also have reported many posts but till now I have not read any post in which the users have bashed others in abusive language.

Sometimes, some members of this forum know each other as friends and that's why they call each other using foul languages.

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September 06, 2023, 03:25:48 PM
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So many people are hurted by what happens online while a few are strong enough to take any bullet. This is the reason some newbies complain that here is not friendly.
Explosive emotions that arent expressed can also have a bad effect on a person. Sometimes dirty words are also effective to drive away fake newbies, lol.
If your mood is such sensitive, there is a text space below your avatar that you can use to let people know about it.

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September 06, 2023, 04:23:02 PM
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Not every platform will protect your fragility from other people, One of the things people should learn when they use the internet is to learn how to not be bothered by harsh and offensive words. That being said, while the forum has free speech when it comes to offensive words, saying death threats is a bannable offence (at least, as far as I know)

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September 06, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
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In fact, during the years I spent on the forum, I found only a few of these people. I am not bothered by those who use obscene words as much as I am bothered by those arrogant people who speak in a condescending manner and think that they are smarter than everyone, but I do not pay them any attention.

You can simply ignore all the offensive words you hear without causing any fuss. This is an open online forum that includes people from all nations and cultures, and things or words that you consider offensive may be considered normal or even fun by others. You cannot judge all people.

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Look what I found: Advanced Profanity Filter, available for different browsers. Of course, use at your own risk: this add-on will get access to everything you have in your browser, but hey, if that helps protect your feelings, good for you Tongue

I'd like to see the opposite: turn all the "carefully selected words" back into their true meaning. It should be called "The TMAN Filter" Cheesy

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September 06, 2023, 04:53:17 PM
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A forum is a forum. There's no need to filter it unless it's gone too far. Instead, we must filter by ourselves and not think too deeply because this is freedom of speech.

After all, it's an old topic that probably no one else is interested in anymore. Maybe you can do it on social media like Facebook and others by reporting to the admin. But for a forum, it's not necessary.

It's better you close the thread so it doesn't become spam.
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September 06, 2023, 05:39:58 PM
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According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.

I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.

Some people practice such rush behavior that they easily get offended and attack others with bad words. I do not think there is anything we can do about it. Sometimes a word serves different meanings depending on which region of the globe that word is being used. One community slung can be one community's general expression. If the moderator starts censoring every foul word they they won't get the time to do other important work.

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September 06, 2023, 06:02:26 PM
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Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.

So I should get banned because I hurt your feelings or someone else feeling or I should give up my privilege of receiving some reward (from signature campaign) because I'm not been a nice guy to you on the internet. What type of world are you trying to live in, don't you know for the world to be balance both the nice and bad guys need to live together and that's how it should be for the forum. The forum isn't even toxic enough because everyone is trying to be in their best behavior, so the newbie will be welcomed. Apart form their who are just trolling and not making any sense I don't see any offensive behavior been exhibited on the forum.

If anyone isn't happy for the way they're been treated for just mere harsh words then he should logout of the forum. Nobody cares about your feelings here, this is a global community filled with different ways of life and we have people from all over the world so your beliefs aren't that superior. If you received abusive words and the contents of those replies aren't suitable for the forum, make use of the report button and let the moderators make the decision as that's why they're there (to keep the forum clean off spam).

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