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[cwil]

Would you mind explaining the results of the following bets?

869601854
869602054
869602352
869602473

The result of bet id 869601854 is as follows:

Code:

{
    "id": 869601854,
    "game": "Roulette (EU)",
    "slot_name": null,
    "slug": "roulette-eu",
    "slot_slug": null,
    "slot": 0,
    "currency": "BTC",
    "options": {
        "20": "10.000",
        "66": "10.000",
        "67": "10.000",
        "89": "10.000",
        "101": "10.000",
        "124": "10.000",
        "125": "10.000",
        "135": "10.000",
        "136": "10.000"
    },
    "data": [
        26,
        []
    ],
    "payout": "0.00",
    "amount": "0.003362466992",
    "profit": "-0.003362466992",
    "hide_bets": 0,
    "username": "Acer64",
    "xp": "900.00000000",
    "datetime": "12 Oct 2023 22:18:22",
    "avatar": "8",
    "avatar_bg": "f34135",
    "avatar_builder": 1,
    "server_seed": "2ca25f3eeb0cce84690cbad69c61a991101135d8d795e3821cfda55251bb8e1d",
    "client_seed": "d64b8399a89512",
    "reveal": 1,
    "nonce": 2,
    "server_seed_hash": "e4fb55e2493e8cca556690c91bd22d1050a83dd6c50c328fb111d5ceeb9efd5f"
}

The first value of the data array is 26, and this is the value recorded as having been the result of this Roulette game.

At https://cryptoplay.io/help/fairness, the following code is available to check your provably fair implementation:

Code:

  $seed = hash_hmac('sha512', 'my server seed', 'my client seed'.':'.'my nonce');
  $seed = hexdec(substr($seed,0,10));
  $roulette_number = $seed % 37;
  
  return $roulette_number;

I wrote the following Node.js adpation of the PHP code:

Code:

const crypto = require('crypto');
const hex = crypto.createHmac('sha512', 'd64b8399a89512:2').update('2ca25f3eeb0cce84690cbad69c61a991101135d8d795e3821cfda55251bb8e1d').digest('hex').substring(0, 10);
const res = parseInt(hex, 16) % 37;
console.log(res);

This code indicates the result of the game should have been 21, which would have been a winning result for this particular game.

The results of the next bet in this series, bet id 869601961, follows:

Code:

{
    "id": 869601961,
    "game": "Roulette (EU)",
    "slot_name": null,
    "slug": "roulette-eu",
    "slot_slug": null,
    "slot": 0,
    "currency": "BTC",
    "options": {
        "20": "10.000",
        "66": "10.000",
        "67": "10.000",
        "89": "10.000",
        "101": "10.000",
        "124": "10.000",
        "125": "10.000",
        "135": "10.000",
        "136": "10.000"
    },
    "data": [
        8,
        []
    ],
    "payout": "0.00",
    "amount": "0.003362466992",
    "profit": "-0.003362466992",
    "hide_bets": 0,
    "username": "Acer64",
    "xp": "900.00000000",
    "datetime": "12 Oct 2023 22:18:28",
    "avatar": "8",
    "avatar_bg": "f34135",
    "avatar_builder": 1,
    "server_seed": "2ca25f3eeb0cce84690cbad69c61a991101135d8d795e3821cfda55251bb8e1d",
    "client_seed": "d64b8399a89512",
    "reveal": 1,
    "nonce": 3,
    "server_seed_hash": "e4fb55e2493e8cca556690c91bd22d1050a83dd6c50c328fb111d5ceeb9efd5f"
}

We see here that the reported result of this bet is 8 and can confirm that result with the code written above.

Lastly, it's noted that this behavior disappears once below a certain bet threshold. For instance, the bets in this post are all around $90 and a winning bet was never seen in a sequence of 10 bets that should have had about a 25% chance of having some return. Of course 4/10 bets actually did return, the casino just misreported the actual outcome. This behavior was not seen at bets closer to $10.

I assert that this casino is fraudulently marking winning bets as losses in a very obvious and easily confirmable way. For that reason, I am leaving a flag.

[1714672072]

1714672072

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1714672072

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[AndriesW.]

Would you mind explaining the results of the following bets?

869601854
869602054
869602352
869602473

The result of bet id 869601854 is as follows:

Code:

{
    "id": 869601854,
    "game": "Roulette (EU)",
    "slot_name": null,
    "slug": "roulette-eu",
    "slot_slug": null,
    "slot": 0,
    "currency": "BTC",
    "options": {
        "20": "10.000",
        "66": "10.000",
        "67": "10.000",
        "89": "10.000",
        "101": "10.000",
        "124": "10.000",
        "125": "10.000",
        "135": "10.000",
        "136": "10.000"
    },
    "data": [
        26,
        []
    ],
    "payout": "0.00",
    "amount": "0.003362466992",
    "profit": "-0.003362466992",
    "hide_bets": 0,
    "username": "Acer64",
    "xp": "900.00000000",
    "datetime": "12 Oct 2023 22:18:22",
    "avatar": "8",
    "avatar_bg": "f34135",
    "avatar_builder": 1,
    "server_seed": "2ca25f3eeb0cce84690cbad69c61a991101135d8d795e3821cfda55251bb8e1d",
    "client_seed": "d64b8399a89512",
    "reveal": 1,
    "nonce": 2,
    "server_seed_hash": "e4fb55e2493e8cca556690c91bd22d1050a83dd6c50c328fb111d5ceeb9efd5f"
}

The first value of the data array is 26, and this is the value recorded as having been the result of this Roulette game.

At https://cryptoplay.io/help/fairness, the following code is available to check your provably fair implementation:

Code:

  $seed = hash_hmac('sha512', 'my server seed', 'my client seed'.':'.'my nonce');
  $seed = hexdec(substr($seed,0,10));
  $roulette_number = $seed % 37;
  
  return $roulette_number;

I wrote the following Node.js adpation of the PHP code:

Code:

const crypto = require('crypto');
const hex = crypto.createHmac('sha512', 'd64b8399a89512:2').update('2ca25f3eeb0cce84690cbad69c61a991101135d8d795e3821cfda55251bb8e1d').digest('hex').substring(0, 10);
const res = parseInt(hex, 16) % 37;
console.log(res);

This code indicates the result of the game should have been 21, which would have been a winning result for this particular game.

The results of the next bet in this series, bet id 869601961, follows:

Code:

{
    "id": 869601961,
    "game": "Roulette (EU)",
    "slot_name": null,
    "slug": "roulette-eu",
    "slot_slug": null,
    "slot": 0,
    "currency": "BTC",
    "options": {
        "20": "10.000",
        "66": "10.000",
        "67": "10.000",
        "89": "10.000",
        "101": "10.000",
        "124": "10.000",
        "125": "10.000",
        "135": "10.000",
        "136": "10.000"
    },
    "data": [
        8,
        []
    ],
    "payout": "0.00",
    "amount": "0.003362466992",
    "profit": "-0.003362466992",
    "hide_bets": 0,
    "username": "Acer64",
    "xp": "900.00000000",
    "datetime": "12 Oct 2023 22:18:28",
    "avatar": "8",
    "avatar_bg": "f34135",
    "avatar_builder": 1,
    "server_seed": "2ca25f3eeb0cce84690cbad69c61a991101135d8d795e3821cfda55251bb8e1d",
    "client_seed": "d64b8399a89512",
    "reveal": 1,
    "nonce": 3,
    "server_seed_hash": "e4fb55e2493e8cca556690c91bd22d1050a83dd6c50c328fb111d5ceeb9efd5f"
}

We see here that the reported result of this bet is 8 and can confirm that result with the code written above.

Lastly, it's noted that this behavior disappears once below a certain bet threshold. For instance, the bets in this post are all around $90 and a winning bet was never seen in a sequence of 10 bets that should have had about a 25% chance of having some return. Of course 4/10 bets actually did return, the casino just misreported the actual outcome. This behavior was not seen at bets closer to $10.

I assert that this casino is fraudulently marking winning bets as losses in a very obvious and easily confirmable way. For that reason, I am leaving a flag.

The Roulette game is programmed by a third-party developer.
I can't answer you about this situation now because we don't know the full code of how is made, but our developers are checking this situation and will come back with more details as soon as possible.

[cwil]

I'm glad you're looking in to this, though I wish my original post had been answered so that maybe the flag and negative trust could have been avoided. In a PM, you asked for additional information. I don't think there is much else that I can provide other than what is in this thread. I hope you are able to find and correct this problem, and I expect that correcting this problem will include paying out all won bets incorrectly reported as lost.

[so98nn]

I am seeing many comments in the thread that are mixed in nature however I would like to welcome the casino as first Timer. I am seeing an amazing project to be honest. I mean the design is superb and anyone can fall for this casino in blink of an eye. I am wondering why I haven’t seen this casino ANN already. The fact that you guys have your own 21 in house slots makes me wonder how did you do it? I have seen 2 or max 3 casinos who were able to make their own slot games. Having own slots make it helpful to understand how much casino is investing in their own branding. I am not sure when I will start playing on this platform but it definitely is I want it kinda platform. Good luck guys.

[letteredhub]

Signature campaigns can not bring effect if only running in one or a few weeks. It needs to be a long run campaign to have effect but it is challenging for a new casino like any new business. They can have a budget for marketing but they only can run sustainable marketing if budget for it not only comes from the team pocket but also from profit of their business. When their business gets profit, they can use part of profit for marketing and I am sure it is how big casinos do.

They get effects from their long run campaigns and they reuse business profit for their campaign prolongs.

Long term campaign is also not a guarantee that it will bring good effect to the casinos, why? Simply because the main product/services/offers provided by the casino is the main important thing to attract gamblers to come-deposit-play-stay.
Signature campaign is just an advertisement tool to make people aware about the existence of the product, but real customers will decide to use it or not after looking deeper at the product.
It means that advertisement can be useless if the product is not attractive enough to gain the interest from customers.

The two goes together mate, without a sustainable wider reach advertisement the existence of a product or service will not be recognize or known by a good number of it's targeted prospect and even with how A-1 the product or service they offer might be it can't grow profit without a sustainable complimented advert. And one thing about advertisement is that it acts as a reminder to her users and prospects that a certain company producing certain product/service is standing tall and making giant strides in the market. Without it customers base is likely to drop
because they may feel the company is no more invoke so they sort for another that's in invoke and making the news at the time, furthermore  new customers hard to come by.
It can be challenging for a new company that's just trying to illuminate it's brand in a market where others  are already dominant and that is the first major challenge of a new unpopular brand. So it's understandable that it's not easy.

[OcTradism]

Long term campaign is also not a guarantee that it will bring good effect to the casinos, why? Simply because the main product/services/offers provided by the casino is the main important thing to attract gamblers to come-deposit-play-stay.
Signature campaign is just an advertisement tool to make people aware about the existence of the product, but real customers will decide to use it or not after looking deeper at the product.
It means that advertisement can be useless if the product is not attractive enough to gain the interest from customers.

I knew and just forgot to write it in my previous post. As written, a long term signature campaign must be a sustainable one with good positive effect from the campaign to the platform's customer stats and income. To have it, products must be good to attract guests, convert them to customers and new products, new experience as well as good VIP programs for current users must be in place and updated with time.

Without successful efforts to build, renew products to gain new customers, maintain current loyal customers, a platform will start to lose its customer base and income. Anyway I appreciate your insightful inputs, panjul07.

[wiss19]

I am seeing many comments in the thread that are mixed in nature however I would like to welcome the casino as first Timer. I am seeing an amazing project to be honest. I mean the design is superb and anyone can fall for this casino in blink of an eye. I am wondering why I haven’t seen this casino ANN already. The fact that you guys have your own 21 in house slots makes me wonder how did you do it? I have seen 2 or max 3 casinos who were able to make their own slot games. Having own slots make it helpful to understand how much casino is investing in their own branding. I am not sure when I will start playing on this platform but it definitely is I want it kinda platform. Good luck guys.

I think it's too early to judge a project only by its design. Maybe you should also check their website first because there could be things there that you won't like. And maybe you are only busy last time, and that is why you missed their announcement thread here.

I can see that the OP is also active in replying the users here, so their thread are always being bumped on the top of this board. Having 21 original slots are indeed sick. Plus they also have other original games too. This is perfect for those who doesn't like going for the mainstream. Just be careful if ever you are planning to play here because I saw some negative comments above.

[lionheart78]

Signature campaigns can not bring effect if only running in one or a few weeks. It needs to be a long run campaign to have effect but it is challenging for a new casino like any new business. They can have a budget for marketing but they only can run sustainable marketing if budget for it not only comes from the team pocket but also from profit of their business. When their business gets profit, they can use part of profit for marketing and I am sure it is how big casinos do.

They get effects from their long run campaigns and they reuse business profit for their campaign prolongs.

Long term campaign is also not a guarantee that it will bring good effect to the casinos, why? Simply because the main product/services/offers provided by the casino is the main important thing to attract gamblers to come-deposit-play-stay.

The signature campaign is created for one reason, exposure.  It does not deal with the service or how beautiful the site is.  The singature campaign is created for exposure so that people in the forum will be informed that the casino is existing and is offering services.  Services and other related stuff are there for the player to stay.

Signature campaign is just an advertisement tool to make people aware about the existence of the product, but real customers will decide to use it or not after looking deeper at the product.
It means that advertisement can be useless if the product is not attractive enough to gain the interest from customers.

True that but don't belittle an advertisement campaign.  It is the initial move of any company in order for people to get informed and find prospects, users, and clients to try their service.  Without an advertisement, it will be hard for a casino to find tons of clients.  It is the advertisement that makes people get interested on the products or service anyway.

[Wiwo]

They might have no funds to continue the campaign.

Whatever their reason is? it is the company's decision to make and we can only speculate to what is the true reason behind ,

This is not really good to speculate such things which may have a negative impact on their reputation. Such speculation is totally unnecessary. They have their team to handle what to do or what not to do. They expect feedback on the product/casino here so they can build a better product.

I do not really care much about teams who once had a signature campaign but suddenly decide to close it due to one or two reasons best known to the company management,  such reasons may or may not be unconnected to finances and that is something that we need to take close care of,  but also we have to be very careful when dealing or discussing such thing being the reasons for promotional discontinuity,  and if we try to speculate it,  we may end up making a totally wrong assumptions and conclusion.

So it does better if we just allow the team to do whatever they feel is the best for their company and we just have to move on regardless of what position or how we feel about the whole thing,  but first we need to put the interest of the team first when we attempt to make such arguments.

[shasan]

Everyone is free to express his own opinion, but this does not mean that it is true.
Do I think it is necessary to answer why I stopped the Signature Campaign?
It is not stopped permanently, we will resume it at another time.
Unfortunately, the feedback and statistics so far have not been according to our expectations.
We are thinking about new promotions for Bitcointalk members that I hope to finalize and launch next week.
So the main reason why we stopped is that the ROI did not come close to our target.

Great to hear that you are re-launch the campaign again. The reason of not reaching the target as it is new and as you know users come slowly and they stay on the site. Of the service is good the user will increase so it will be better if you contonue the promotion of your project.

[BlackBoss_]

Do I think it is necessary to answer why I stopped the Signature Campaign?
It is not stopped permanently, we will resume it at another time.

Except big casinos that already have very strong platforms and good customer bases, they can run signature campaigns so long without too much headache about effects from their campaigns. I guess they use profit to run advertisement and it's big different than spending money from own pocket for advertisement that I am sure will be bigger problem for new casinos.

I see some casinos are flexible to run campaigns. They can run campaigns when they have new products to launch and want to shill their new products. When they finish, they stop and when new other products are coming, they launch another campaign. Your team can consider this advertisement approach too.

[AndriesW.]

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[cwil]

The Roulette game is programmed by a third-party developer.
I can't answer you about this situation now because we don't know the full code of how is made, but our developers are checking this situation and will come back with more details as soon as possible.

After a month and a half, it seems likely that your developers have had a chance to look in to this. Can you provide an update?

[goldkingcoiner]

Hey there, welcome to the forum!

I must say, I really like the animated announcement. How secure are your inhouse games? I imagine since they are either third party white label games or your own homebrew? In the latter case I am sure there has been an audit or perhaps your game code is open source?

Security and fair-play is really important to Bitcointalk members.

We hope to see you active in the forum community, with a green reputation!

[AndriesW.]

The Roulette game is programmed by a third-party developer.
I can't answer you about this situation now because we don't know the full code of how is made, but our developers are checking this situation and will come back with more details as soon as possible.

After a month and a half, it seems likely that your developers have had a chance to look in to this. Can you provide an update?

Hello cwil, as I know from developers they updated the Roulette. Unfortunately I don't know more technical details.

Hey there, welcome to the forum!

I must say, I really like the animated announcement. How secure are your inhouse games? I imagine since they are either third party white label games or your own homebrew? In the latter case I am sure there has been an audit or perhaps your game code is open source?

Security and fair-play is really important to Bitcointalk members.

We hope to see you active in the forum community, with a green reputation!

Hello goldkingcoiner, the code is not open source, I know that the safety of the players must come first and that is what we are trying to do, to perfect ourselves and at the same time to update the site to the latest security systems.
Right now we are developing a new very big update that I hope to finish in the shortest possible time. The new update will have to bring more security, speed and dynamism.

[AndriesW.]

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