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Author Topic: ColorSEED Or how to simply hide your seed phrase  (Read 294 times)
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September 12, 2023, 06:29:18 PM
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what do you think about this method?
I've seen many topics from people who don't remember how to access their Bitcoins 10 years later. You may end up being one of them some day.
No , don't worry I will not be among these because I have written all phrase in hard copy in two places and written all methods too which i will used to recover. The above method is just to save phrase online for accessing fast in case i out of my city.

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September 12, 2023, 06:34:56 PM
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The above method is just to save phrase online
That opens up a whole new can of worms.

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September 12, 2023, 06:48:24 PM
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The above method is just to save phrase online for accessing fast in case i out of my city.
This is incredibly dangerous.

There are 455 ways to pick 12 words in the same order from the 15 words you have given. For each one of those, there are 132 ways to swap two words. This gives a total number of possibilities of just over 60,000. My not particularly powerful hardware at home can test BIP39 seed phrases at around 100,000 per second, meaning I could crack your method in under a second.

Even if you assume the attacker just wants to pick 12 words in any order from the 15 you have given, that's still only about 218 billion combinations. I could break that in less than 13 days on average, and an attacker with good hardware could do it in hours.

You shouldn't save your seed phrase online ever.
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September 13, 2023, 06:51:19 PM
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This is a very simple and safe way to store your seed phrase. You can add these colors to any painting and it won't be noticeable.
There is nothing simple about this, and let me explain why.
I don't like the idea of using color for this because it's not universal solution that is working for everyone.
First thing I thought was about Color Blind people (1 in 12 men are color blind, or about 8%) that simply don't see some colors, but even people with normal eyesight can interpret same color differently.
Even monitors need to be calibrated to show each color correctly, and to calibrate exactly you need special devices, that is another spin ball in this experiment.
Maybe they people can remember color codes, but that is way more complicated for anyone to remember.
I would never use this myself.



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September 14, 2023, 01:00:19 AM
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I don't like the idea of using color for this because it's not universal solution that is working for everyone.
First thing I thought was about Color Blind people (1 in 12 men are color blind, or about 8%) that simply don't see some colors, but even people with normal eyesight can interpret same color differently.
Even monitors need to be calibrated to show each color correctly, and to calibrate exactly you need special devices, that is another spin ball in this experiment.
Color-blinded or normal, people eyes can not see slight differences among many colors. Electronic devices even can not scan all colors and recognize them exactly.

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Maybe they people can remember color codes, but that is way more complicated for anyone to remember.
Remember seed phrase with words is more easily and more memorable than remember color codes.

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September 14, 2023, 06:42:29 AM
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First thing I thought was about Color Blind people (1 in 12 men are color blind, or about 8%) that simply don't see some colors, but even people with normal eyesight can interpret same color differently.
Seeing the colors is irrelevant. Even someone with perfect eyesight cannot pick out the difference between this color or this color or this color or this color, and yet all four have different hex codes and therefore would generate different seed phrases. The hex codes must be backed up, which is more difficult, more time consuming, and more error prone than just backing up a seed phrase in the first place.

Remember seed phrase with words is more easily and more memorable than remember color codes.
You shouldn't be remembering anything, hex codes or seed phrases. Relying only on your memory is risky and unsafe. Just write down your seed phrase on paper and store it somewhere safe, like every good wallet tells you to do.
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September 14, 2023, 07:09:41 AM
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First thing I thought was about Color Blind people (1 in 12 men are color blind, or about 8%) that simply don't see some colors, but even people with normal eyesight can interpret same color differently.
Even monitors need to be calibrated to show each color correctly, and to calibrate exactly you need special devices, that is another spin ball in this experiment.

I used a tool to extract the HEX code of colors, and out of 8 colors, I obtained 4 colors that were extracted correctly and with the same HEX code, two colors with a different HEX code in the last number, and two colors with a completely different HEX code.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466467.msg62832538#msg62832538

This method does not require all HEX code to be correct, this is 6/8, but I did not print it and tried to extract the colors using the phone camera, which may produce more errors, not to mention all the complications.


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September 14, 2023, 07:59:07 AM
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OP, i like the whole process but it is time consuming and complicated to achieve. All this process just to keep your seed phrase secured, If this is the only way yo back up seed phrase, then i believe that newbies wouldn't have access to their wallet anymore, if they forget their password or change of phone because they wouldn't have all the knowledge and create out time to try it. Colors are hard to duplicate exactly how it is, because there will be a slight difference in it.  it is better to use the writing of seed phrase on papers with three backups in different places or on a steel plate, as this way is very easy for a beginner or for someone who can read or write. Let one not be over securing his wallet and unknowingly to him that he is creating more than way to loss his funds.

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