...about bitcointalk forum.

[Zoomic]

There are confusing things about this forum, hence the title of this thread. I will need clarity by older members with sound knowledge of the forum. But then everyone is free to write or respond, but it should worth it.

After creating censoring foul words , I learnt many things from old members of this forum, especially LoyceV (you shared external links for me), philipma1957, Rikafip and lots more. I understood the uniqueness of this forum as it concerns freedom. I ignorantly requested to be deprived the freedom I should enjoy. In the same manner I feel that hundreds of other users are ignorantly requesting theymos to retrieve the freedom we enjoy at large in the forum.

Let me discuss this in the following sub headings;
Altcoin wallets child board suggestion
Someone created a topic suggesting that a sub board for the above be created. The suggestion is actually one of those that might not be considered. But then, I read where other forum members told the OP that "Here is bitcointalk, if he desires such a board he should create an altcoin forum and establish the board". This is discriminatory or rather telling theymos that he was wrong to create the altcoin section. I learnt that Ethereum project started from this forum. If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk. But the bounty section is in this forum. If I am not mistaking, bounty should be the means Satoshi or theymos promoted bitcoin. If someone want to share links and get paid for it, they should be left alone to do it.

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

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[EarnOnVictor]

Altcoin wallets child board suggestion
Someone created a topic suggesting that a sub board for the above be created. The suggestion is actually one of those that might not be considered. But then, I read where other forum members told the OP that "Here is bitcointalk, if he desires such a board he should create an altcoin forum and establish the board". This is discriminatory or rather telling theymos that he was wrong to create the altcoin section. I learnt that Ethereum project started from this forum. If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

The person is on point. This is a Bitcoin forum, altcoins included are only privileged.

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

Don't mind those who display such if they are in campaigns. If not for the money, why did they join campaigns?

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

You can't compare this entirely, and note that merit farming is bad, it encourages low-quality posting and cheating. It's also obvious that those with thousands of merits are doing far better in the quality of their posts, especially on the general board. But the issues happening in local boards are the reasons why I can't entirely disagree with you.

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk. But the bounty section is in this forum. If I am not mistaking, bounty should be the means Satoshi or theymos promoted bitcoin. If someone want to share links and get paid for it, they should be left alone to do it.

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Do you know bounty hunting very well? You will know that it's a desperate approach and they often have links and affiliates that could propagate and distribute fake information and scams. They are not so honourable if I must say. More so, their activity/task is outside the forum.

Personally, I don't discriminate if they write well, but try to investigate, these bounty hunters don't post quality. Fast earning is in their minds, and often write low-quality posts. If not, their posts would naturally attract merits even if it's little.

[FatFork]

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Yes, people have the freedom to express their opinions. So what are you ranting about?

[Saisher]

Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

Why not set an example take out your signature and do the things you do now, like ranting in this forum. the ones who should say this are those members who do not wear signatures and just do it for the passion.

[LoyceMobile]

If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

One word: freedom! Posting about altcoins is allowed, just like it's allowed to warn people that most of them are only created to make the creator rich. They created their own because they were too late to get Bitcoin early. After that they hype it, and get rich. That includes centralized Ethereum.

[Zoomic]

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Yes, people have the freedom to express their opinions. So what are you ranting about?

Not actually about freedom of speech, but freedom of one's speech shouldn't be in such a way to make another believe they lost their own freedom or they never had the freedom.

If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

One word: freedom! Posting about altcoins is allowed, just like it's allowed to warn people that most of them are only created to make the creator rich. They created their own because they were too late to get Bitcoin early. After that they hype it, and get rich. That includes centralized Ethereum.

That's correct. We know that majority of the altcoins are scam and only intended to enrich the creators. But we still have a few genuine ones. Besides I can be correct to say that bitcoin was once a shit coin, when it was worth many figures less than a cent. But today bitcoin remains the king of crypto. Tomorrow is had to predict.

[Jawhead999]

@OP I think you should learn how to use ignore button if you can't accept user that saying opposite with your thinking.

Since you blame users who're saying other user create a merit fishing thread, do you supporting a cheater who create many accounts to milk this forum?

Why not set an example take out your signature and do the things you do now, like ranting in this forum. the ones who should say this are those members who do not wear signatures and just do it for the passion.

There are many hypocrite in this forum, sometime I wonder if they're really unaware what they did or they're very very stupid.

Besides I can be correct to say that bitcoin was once a shit coin, when it was worth many figures less than a cent.

Only the price that is the factor of a shitcoin? lol, you need to learn about decentralization.

[LoyceMobile]

[Besides I can be correct to say that bitcoin was once a shit coin, when it was worth many figures less than a cent.

The word shitcoin didn't exist when Bitcoin was created. Being a shitcoin has nothing to do with the price.

[Zoomic]

Since you blame users who're saying other user create a merit fishing thread, do you supporting a cheater who create many accounts to milk this forum?

It seems that you missed the last words of the topic

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Only the price that is the factor of a shitcoin? lol, you need to learn about decentralization.

Not only price. And there are also decentralized projects that failed. Even if you know the ability of the team behind the project, have read the whitepaper and road map, it may still fail.
The topic is not about altcoins, I am not defending altcoins but I am saying that altcoin promoters or lovers shouldn't be segregated. Besides many of us defending bitcoin as if it is in a war with altcoins may have their portfolio to be more of the altcoins.

[aioc]

Besides I can be correct to say that bitcoin was once a shit coin, when it was worth many figures less than a cent. But today bitcoin remains the king of crypto. Tomorrow is had to predict.

Where did you get this idea? nobody calls Bitcoin a shit coin when it was first created it applies to altcoins or any Cryptocurrency that wasn't Bitcoin

What Is a Shitcoin?
The first time we heard about shitcoins was in 2010 when Gavin Andresen “coined the term” to describe altcoins or any cryptocurrency that wasn’t Bitcoin (BTC).

https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/its-shitcoin-day-in-the-cryptocurrency-universe-84cbfbdfd47c

It's okay to enjoy your freedom of speech here as long as you are posting the right information or you are just propagating fake information.

[Hatchy]

Op, Everyone has freedom on the forum but yours ends when you violate the rules.
Sometimes its best to ignore unnecessary replies made by some members as it hasno possible effect on you.no board on the forum is useless, there were all created for a reason.but all altcoin discussions or participants has no business with the other Bitcoin boards so its better they stay there to avoid such discrimination.i still don't get why you are so upset mate.

[348Judah]

I ignorantly requested to be deprived the freedom I should enjoy. In the same manner I feel that hundreds of other users are ignorantly requesting theymos to retrieve the freedom we enjoy at large in the forum.

How many has he acted upon, if you must be a member of this forum, then you must learn to be tolerant, because lot will vebsaid concerning you and against you, but you have to concentrate in other not to let that affect your stay and growth on the forum.

Let me discuss this in the following sub headings;
Altcoin wallets child board suggestion
Someone created a topic suggesting that a sub board for the above be created. The suggestion is actually one of those that might not be considered. But then, I read where other forum members told the OP that "Here is bitcointalk, if he desires such a board he should create an altcoin forum and establish the board". This is discriminatory or rather telling theymos that he was wrong to create the altcoin section. I learnt that Ethereum project started from this forum. If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

Do you actually have to be moved by what everyone says, if i may ask you, how many if these things said by various forum members have been put into consideration by Theymos, you have to understand that this forum is a large community that comprises of people from different background, culture and ethnics, do your own and leave the rest, don't be moved by what others are doing because you may appear being distracted to loose focus, concentrate on what brought you, every other thing is secondary, maybe that's why this forum is called bitcointalk, it allows everyone to talk his own.

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

Theymos is not the owner of those signature campaigns, but can decide to stop any form of adverts in such regard, but come to think of it this way, is the comment made affecting the progress of the forum? aren't some people depending their life income on that? If it had been that effective then maybe someone like you wouldn't have been placed with the opportunity to join a signature campaign when they had scolded on you, lastly, most of these newbies, try to check into the reason that led to what they received, you will discover they are wrong and were being corrected.

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

What they want is for making a post with neutral and open mind not to phish merits, then in doing so merits csn come in, but when it's showing that you're attempting to phish merits, they will know, despite that, you owe your merits because you earn them, you hold no one accountable as long as you're not abusing the merit system according to the expected standard.

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk. But the bounty section is in this forum. If I am not mistaking, bounty should be the means Satoshi or theymos promoted bitcoin. If someone want to share links and get paid for it, they should be left alone to do it.

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

No onenis holding anyone down, you should know that this forum is not a bounty forum, it's bitcoin discussion forum, bounties together with other boards were allowed to make it all fun to be with, morr than the 90 percentage ofbthe bounty hunters are not posting anything that has to do with bitcoin, why should they earn merits on bounties, most of them are scammers and trollers, why should they be trusted.

[examplens]

You came to this forum to earn

Merit fishing

Bounty hunting

Yesterday I wrote something on this topic in a topic in B&H, I don't know if something like that prompted you to start this topic.
The way you wrote, you generalize this attitude and it sounds like it's a rule. So, nobody here has anything against making money on this forum, collecting merit or bounty hunters. Everything is acceptable here, the problem arises when it becomes a priority and some basic rules of the forum are violated. Official or unofficial regardless.
So, newcomers only because of potential earnings, most often they create a bunch of spam, useless and off-topic discussions. It can be tiring for older members.

[Besides I can be correct to say that bitcoin was once a shit coin, when it was worth many figures less than a cent.

The word shitcoin didn't exist when Bitcoin was created. Being a shitcoin has nothing to do with the price.

The name shitcoin probably has something to do with the fact that most altcoins last one to two years. Now let's look at the altcoin section, how many of them are still active even though they were created more than two years ago? Some do exist, but the interest in them and their value are in the range of statistical error.

[FatFork]

Only the price that is the factor of a shitcoin? lol, you need to learn about decentralization.

Not only price.

Then, what other factors did you have in mind when you said this:
"Besides I can be correct to say that bitcoin was once a shit coin, when it was worth many figures less than a cent."

No, you can't be correct in saying that because nobody in their right mind called Bitcoin that.

The term "shitcoin" was first used by member ribuck back in 2010, when he perfectly predicted what would happen in the following years:

...it would have to be better in some way other than just "I started the new chain, so I've got a lot of the easy-to-generate-at-the-beginning-coins."

You say that now, but if bitcoin really takes off I can see lots of get-rich-quick imitators coming on the scene: gitcoin, nitcoin, witcoin, titcoin, shitcoin... Some of them are sure to attract users with promises like "Why use bitcoin, where you can only generate 50 bitcoins every few months? Use shitcoin instead, and you'll get 51 shitcoins every 2 minutes".

Of course the cheap imitators will disappear as quickly as those 1990s "internet currencies" like flooz and beenz, but lots of people will get burned along the way.

From that point on, the term "shitcoin" was a synonym used for all the clones and copycats of Bitcoin, with no real purpose, that followed.

I am not defending altcoins but I am saying that altcoin promoters or lovers shouldn't be segregated.

Why not? Even those altcoin lovers (God forgive me for saying this) have the right to speak their mind, and they do have their own space on this forum. The Altcoins section is there mainly because all altcoins are basically spin-offs of Bitcoin, so they're connected to Bitcoin and blockchain tech in some way. But let's be real, that doesn't mean the altcoins talk is super crucial for the whole Bitcoin ecosystem.

[PytagoraZ]

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

I'd like to comment, but you've already answered your own question. So what should I talk about...

But I'm glad you made the post and I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing, you put a lot of thought into making this post. I also post often and often receive criticism, but I am still alive today. That's the good news 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP, you might have noticed that I talk shit about bounty hunters and sig campaign spammers and the like, but understand two thing:

1) I have signatures and avatars on ignore, so unless I check a member's profile manually I have no idea if they're participating in a bounty or campaign.  The shit-talking I do is based on years of prior experience with people who are incentivized to post on bitcointalk.  Let me ask you, have you been on any other forum and seen a new member create a thread asking how they can rank up or make good posts?  I seriously doubt it, and if you say you have I'd like to see the evidence. 

Many older members did not come here so that they could get paid to post, even if they're doing so now.  If someone came here due to their curiosity about, or passion for, bitcoin then why wouldn't they want to get some extra BTC for what they'd be doing already?  That's true of a lot of old-timers.

2) It is without question the members who participate in bounties or bitcoin-paying sig campaigns that aren't selective about who they accept that are responsible for most of the garbage posts here, and it's the reason why Bitcoin Discussion (which should be the best section here) is infested with low-quality posts.  Campaigns and bounties primarily pay for posts in English, but this is a global forum and for many members English is probably not even their second language.  So what happens?  People who can't write English to save their lives come here to try to earn a living by writing the most insipid nonsense ever written in the history of discussion forums (except for the ones that still allow "+1", "great post", and the like).

Wonder why the merit system was introduced in the first place?  Go back to December 2017 in Meta, and you'll probably find that there were a bunch of threads about forum post quality.  It had been a major issue for years prior, but it hit its boiling point right before Theymos dropped the merit system on us in Jan. 2018.  And let me tell you, senior members were not a big part of the problem unless those accounts had been bought or hacked.

Don't get discouraged if you see a lot of shit-talking, though.  Any new member can establish themselves if they really want to, and I've seen that time and time again.  But I wish it wasn't as rare a case as it is for that to happen.  Most newbies are just here because they heard they could earn money online.

[Pokapoka124]

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk. But the bounty section is in this forum. If I am not mistaking, bounty should be the means Satoshi or theymos promoted bitcoin. If someone want to share links and get paid for it, they should be left alone to do it.

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Before drawing your conclusions and casting blame fingers. Can you show me one bounty hunter whose posts are constructive and on-point? What you will find is a bunch of generic posts in altcoins discussion and wall observer threads. The idea that older members set out to bully or degrade newbies is not true. I’m not disputing that sometimes the replies may be harsh but if that gets you down I wonder how you made it through life all this time.

[philipma1957]

There are confusing things about this forum, hence the title of this thread. I will need clarity by older members with sound knowledge of the forum. But then everyone is free to write or respond, but it should worth it.

After creating censoring foul words , I learnt many things from old members of this forum, especially LoyceV (you shared external links for me), philipma1957, Rikafip and lots more. I understood the uniqueness of this forum as it concerns freedom. I ignorantly requested to be deprived the freedom I should enjoy. In the same manner I feel that hundreds of other users are ignorantly requesting theymos to retrieve the freedom we enjoy at large in the forum.

Let me discuss this in the following sub headings;
Altcoin wallets child board suggestion
Someone created a topic suggesting that a sub board for the above be created. The suggestion is actually one of those that might not be considered. But then, I read where other forum members told the OP that "Here is bitcointalk, if he desires such a board he should create an altcoin forum and establish the board". This is discriminatory or rather telling theymos that he was wrong to create the altcoin section. I learnt that Ethereum project started from this forum. If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

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This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Some altcoins belong and are absolutely needed for crypto to continue.

The vast majority are terrible garbage and do not belong.

I am more inclusive of Pow coins than I am of Pos coins.

I like the bitcointalk has an alt coin section and have posted hundreds of photos (now dead due to Imgur)

I am particularly fond of Scrypt and the LTC/Doge merged mining L7 machine  built by bitmain.

Some disagree with me and want all BTC and purity of it and it alone.

I tend to think of them as exclusionist's and let them be as much as I can.

This does not mean I like the 1000's of altcoins that do exist. But I do recogonize some altcoins are decent.


https://coinmarketcap.com

lists a lot of coins.

 last I looked over 9000 coins.

   
9129

Liquidity Money


9130

SOLANA 2.0


9131

POWER


are the last three on their list on page 92

I am sure under 200 of these coins have worth

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

To be honest, what you just said is a load of rubbish. At the time it was considered to ban signature campaigns or disable signatures but to stop the spam problem in the forum where you had a lot of people writing rubbish to rank up and earn money.

As theymos is smarter than that, he came up with the idea of the merit system, which reduced the spam problem a lot because before it was introduced people would rank up simply by seniority, and many would just do it by writing rubbish one-liners in mega-threads and stuff like that. I was on the forum during the changeover, when the merit system was introduced, so I could see what happened.

What you call genuineness I'll explain it to you: if theymos ends with the signature campaigns today, tomorrow traffic would be reduced so much that you wouldn't even recognise the forum. I've seen other forums die but for other reasons, and that's when you go there and you think about replying to a thread but you see that in most of them the last reply was a few days or even weeks ago.

On the other hand that would be giving away traffic to other forums, where the genuineness you are talking about would go, and if this forum is mainly to preserve Satoshi's writings I think it is better if it remains an active forum than if it looks like a tomb or a desert.

[philipma1957]

Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

To be honest, what you just said is a load of rubbish. At the time it was considered to ban signature campaigns or disable signatures but to stop the spam problem in the forum where you had a lot of people writing rubbish to rank up and earn money.

As theymos is smarter than that, he came up with the idea of the merit system, which reduced the spam problem a lot because before it was introduced people would rank up simply by seniority, and many would just do it by writing rubbish one-liners in mega-threads and stuff like that. I was on the forum during the changeover, when the merit system was introduced, so I could see what happened.

What you call genuineness I'll explain it to you: if theymos ends with the signature campaigns today, tomorrow traffic would be reduced so much that you wouldn't even recognise the forum. I've seen other forums die but for other reasons, and that's when you go there and you think about replying to a thread but you see that in most of them the last reply was a few days or even weeks ago.

On the other hand that would be giving away traffic to other forums, where the genuineness you are talking about would go, and if this forum is mainly to preserve Satoshi's writings I think it is better if it remains an active forum than if it looks like a tomb or a desert.

I have to agree you I believe that more than 50% of the posts on bitcointalk are due to payment of bounties.