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[NotATether]

Altcoin wallets child board suggestion
Someone created a topic suggesting that a sub board for the above be created. The suggestion is actually one of those that might not be considered. But then, I read where other forum members told the OP that "Here is bitcointalk, if he desires such a board he should create an altcoin forum and establish the board". This is discriminatory or rather telling theymos that he was wrong to create the altcoin section. I learnt that Ethereum project started from this forum. If altcoins are as bad as projected, why do we have the boards in this forum?

There is already a gigantic altcoins board with different sections and anyone who wants to make comments to improve a particular coin can just state it on the coin's ANN thread instead of having a separate board just for suggestions (which is basically what Altcoin Announcements board is for).

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

The signature campaigns are obviously looking for users with a good reputation (= merits) to promote their service, I mean think about it - how many people are going to click on links from newbie accounts? Remember that newbies, Jr members and other low ranks have only a few posts on the forum, OR they have many posts but they are just concentrated on one or two threads (because if the posts were distributed on many threads and they are good posts, then they will no longer be newbies). So it is less likely that people will find their post through searching or browsing, and that is one of the major reasons why they pick people with a large rank like Sr. member.

Then you have people who want to make money quickly but do not want to put the time to make a good posts. When you already have the required rank and merits to join, if you are just making low-quality post then nobody is going to read that post, they will just skip it, and it will be to the loss of the service since the campaign will not attract new users. Even worse is that nowadays, people don't have to put any effort into using their head while making a post, they just use ChatGPT which will make garbage answers in relation to blockchain, which is why it was banned in Stack Overflow and other places, because it is useful for getting correct answers for complex questions.

And the people who do not have the required rank to join a campaign but are restless for making money will also exhibit these kind of behavior because they have no patience to make good posts, that is why they get called out because this behavior is not only bad for the forum it is also bad for the campaigns being advertised.

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk. But the bounty section is in this forum. If I am not mistaking, bounty should be the means Satoshi or theymos promoted bitcoin. If someone want to share links and get paid for it, they should be left alone to do it.

This is one that I don't understand, Bounty hunting is perfectly legal here, but there are too many people who register, make some plagiarism to get a few bounty rewards, and leave - or get banned first before they leave. Then they make more accounts to evade the ban to continue claiming the rewards. In short, it is creating a lot of spam that has to be cleaned up using Report to Moderator, but it is not true that all bounty hunters are bad.

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[Gladitorcomeback]

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

Actually sometimes a newbie didn't carrying much about Bitcointalk rules and  spamming so old experience use this phrase but yes agree that now mostly full member and little ranked up member also using this phrase. 90% member are now registering just for earning and as long as they don't break the rules, no problem

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing.

Good point and I think this is also answers to those who are against wall observer merit sharing.

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk. But the bounty section is in this forum.

If washroom is available in your factory and some workers wasting 8 hours in washroom and also saying if this is bad then why these washroom is the part of the factory, will the workers and manager will accept this action?

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

You are allowed and similarly crictism is allowed here. kindly leave critics free to criticize .

[Zoomic]

OP, you might have noticed that I talk shit about bounty hunters and sig campaign spammers and the like, but understand two thing:

No particular emphasy on your person, it is a kind of common saying in the forum, especially from old users of the forum.

1) I have signatures and avatars on ignore, so unless I check a member's profile manually I have no idea if they're participating in a bounty or campaign.

Doesn't this defeat the idea of signature campaign in the forum? I mean, if everyone has signatures on ignore, obviously traffic won't be generated from the forum and companies will not want to run signature campaign in the forum again.

  The shit-talking I do is based on years of prior experience with people who are incentivized to post on bitcointalk.  Let me ask you, have you been on any other forum and seen a new member create a thread asking how they can rank up or make good posts?  I seriously doubt it, and if you say you have I'd like to see the evidence. 

I learnt that spamming was so bad years ago. Other forums, people likely ask about rules and regulations and not necessarily about how to be successful in the forum.

[tranthidung]

Wonder why the merit system was introduced in the first place?  Go back to December 2017 in Meta, and you'll probably find that there were a bunch of threads about forum post quality.  It had been a major issue for years prior, but it hit its boiling point right before Theymos dropped the merit system on us in Jan. 2018.

theymos asked community opinion about it, with some possible solutions, one of which is to shut down all signatures in Bitcointalk.

• Ideas for improving post quality?
• The he launched the merit system about one month later. Merit & new rank requirement
• It reduces spam a bit but after shit posters adapted too it, they came back, so we have Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements
• Some more historic details in that topic

Visually, I know it recalls your pain with shit posting endemic in the past, before the merit system kicks off.

[Etranger]

It's also obvious that those with thousands of merits are doing far better in the quality of their posts, especially on the general board.

This is not always the case. There are many more merit sources concentrated in the general board, especially in the Technical support, in Meta, in Reputation. Everything there is filled with merits, because newbies write there the most, they ask questions to which a million answers are given immediately, because such questions have already been asked many times before. And the sources give merit for these regular answers. And most often they give it to heroes and legendaries, because they are the first to write the answers, because they have already written them many, many times.

While in other sections, on the contrary, there is a lack of merit sources. And those who write mainly there - in Local boards, in Altcoin Discussions, in Trading Discussion - receive less merits. But this is not always because they are worse in the quality of their posts. But because their posts are simply noticed less often.

[philipma1957]

OP, you might have noticed that I talk shit about bounty hunters and sig campaign spammers and the like, but understand two thing:

No particular emphasy on your person, it is a kind of common saying in the forum, especially from old users of the forum.

1) I have signatures and avatars on ignore, so unless I check a member's profile manually I have no idea if they're participating in a bounty or campaign.

Doesn't this defeat the idea of signature campaign in the forum? I mean, if everyone has signatures on ignore, obviously traffic won't be generated from the forum and companies will not want to run signature campaign in the forum again.

  The shit-talking I do is based on years of prior experience with people who are incentivized to post on bitcointalk.  Let me ask you, have you been on any other forum and seen a new member create a thread asking how they can rank up or make good posts?  I seriously doubt it, and if you say you have I'd like to see the evidence. 

I learnt that spamming was so bad years ago. Other forums, people likely ask about rules and regulations and not necessarily about how to be successful in the forum.

I have had somewhat of a love hate relationship with signature campaigns.

I have gone the route of ignore people.
I have gone the route of ignore signature’s
I have gone the route of ignore avatar’s

I have also decided to accept all of it and really admire the rarity of this forum allowing the degree of free speech 🎤 and signature’s that it does.

I have read many posts of the sceptical chemist even when he was only a pharmacist (sorry cant quite remember the old name) I used to think that a lot of his post were spot on.

In fact I still do. But in order to have the degree of free speech we have with the signature possibility for us all the sceptical chemist ideas and beliefs and practices need to be allowed and at the same time not practiced be all of us on the forum.

  I give theymos a lot of credit for having a good way of balancing the forum.

[Poker Player]

I have had somewhat of a love hate relationship with signature campaigns.

I have gone the route of ignore people.
I have gone the route of ignore signature’s
I have gone the route of ignore avatar’s

I have also decided to accept all of it and really admire the rarity of this forum allowing the degree of free speech 🎤 and signature’s that it does.

Don't debate so much between love and hate because today they have more good than bad. In the old days when the merit system did not exist it seems that there was a big problem with spam and today there is still spam and posts that are not of quality but there are many others that are, and you just have to see the quality of the posts of the people who get paid the most.

On the other hand I know other forums where they write a lot of garbage and there they don't get paid, so this one is better.

 I give theymos a lot of credit for having a good way of balancing the forum.

I agree, sometimes it is easy to criticize from the sidelines but I think that overall he has found a good balance.

[NotATether]

1) I have signatures and avatars on ignore, so unless I check a member's profile manually I have no idea if they're participating in a bounty or campaign.

Doesn't this defeat the idea of signature campaign in the forum? I mean, if everyone has signatures on ignore, obviously traffic won't be generated from the forum and companies will not want to run signature campaign in the forum again.

Only logged-in users can do that, not guests. And I imagine there are way more guests browsing random threads of the forum through Google search, per day, than there are active users - let alone active users with signatures disabled, since that option is not even enabled by default when you first register for an account here.

[Rruchi man]

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe Theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

The action of one person on the forum will not be enough to frustrate another person who does not want to get frustrated.

If you are a new member on the forum who joins the forum just so you can earn even when you do not already have any knowledge about bitcoins, there is the biggest possibility of you being a shitposter. If you have knowledge and you joined this forum to contribute your knowledge and earn in the process of doing so, you will not be accused of just being in the forum to earn because it will be clear from your contributions to critical discussions that you already possess knowledge.

The forum's main aim is for people to learn and contribute, when you obviously are not interested in learning at all all as a newbie, it means there will be little contribution from you that will help another person.  

[Sexylizzy2813]

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

The Forum do have a system by which the merit flow but some of these users do abuse it, that's where it kinda looks like a crime.
Before that accusation comes I believe there would have been some dig up on those affected account, either they're connected or something. Take the case of @deadsea, things went South for him and up till now he hasn't come up to defend him self about being a merit farmer or something.
So I won't blame it in anyone with a huge amount of merit accusing those with little number of merit.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

OP, just know you're on a forum that has users with different attitude so expect to see some users that uses the harsh approach to correct newbies and those that do it with love. The reason why people don't like those that only joined the forum because of the monetary benefits is because they become a problem to the forum. They aren't contributing anything to the growth of the forum and all they do is to look for activities and participate in giveaways to get merit to rank up then they start spamming to meet weekly quota for their signature campaign. If we allow everybody to do as they like we mightn't have a forum again. The more the spam on the forum increase the more the forum becomes unattractive to engage in discussion going on because you'll be reading generic replies and not any adding sense to the discussion.

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

They didn't get that amount of merit by merit fishing or spamming the forum with unnecessary threads that are just copies of things on the Internet that everybody can get their hands on. They got the merit by replying constructively to discussion going on, on the forum. A newbie that's using the forum rightly won't get attack instead he'll be encouraged constantly. Most newbies don't understand what quality means and all they do just annoying the order members because it's a continuous practice that we have seen before and the only way to correct those guilty of this is by telling them the truth. When they create thsie generic posts they're expecting them to be merited and when they're not, you start seeing them complaining of their quality post not been merited but what's actually happening is that, they're delivering low quality posts.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

I wouldn't disagree on anything you said, if you didn't add this piece of sentence....for that reason, I've got 3 questions for you...
* Are you obliquely promoting merit fishing?? No? Do you have proves embedded in the above statement you made??
* What's your purpose in this forum?? To break the grand rule and soil the reputation of this whole community, with promoting a malicious act that's meant to frowned at?? Can you defend yourself based on the statement above??
* Do you know how many junk post we've been able to obscure, just by dimming an interest in merit fishers?? Are you not in support of this?? ... This takes us back to the 2nd question again - WHATS YOUR PURPOSE IN HERE??

Ps; I don't really know the type of peeps behind the "new era newbies" we've got today... OP, did you actually take some vodka or burn some weeds before making this post?? ... I don't even know how I missed your post...I'll be monitoring this account henceforth.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[_BlackStar]

Not everything we think is true is true, nor are other people's opinions. The thing is - don't insist that something you think is true must be acknowledged by others, that's freedom of opinion - unless they are talking about bullshit.

There is a lot of hypocrisy among forum users including how they judge someone just to make themselves appear bigger. But if you really think something is wrong and you have no power to change it - then I hope you don't actually start it for others. This means do it for yourself and ignore anyone you think disagrees with you - but again especially; if they're talking about bullshit.

[Adbitco]

I have seen this post notifications but was wanting to be that free before I can come back here to reply you..
Usually op I don't think they are discriminating, permit me to use this words " the more you look the less you see", I think they are only trying to keep this forum free from spam post or shitpost and what you must understand is that merits system was also implemented to help keep the forum clean if you watch very well I came say activities has reduced. There are no much flooding of post or creating irrelevant posts and topic that is for the safety of this forum otherwise I don't think you would have enjoyed here as it's now.

Then let's talk about the altcoin wallet, naturally there's nothing wrong with the post but if you must
know that user had asked same question I think at the altcoin section correct me if I am wrong and you can visit his or her profile. Theymos didn't do anything bad to create the altcoin section but I believe the forum is a discipline place and everything has a belongings, meaning all questions has where its meant to be asked and if any of us post at the wrong place the admin and mod usually helps us to move it to the right section where we should post it.

I think it's just about understanding, no one is attacking each others or let's say since newbies aren't that patient to read post or even follow instructions they easily get knocked down but if you are a decent man or person whose aim is to learn and know things about this forum and how they works, common nothing stops you and no one will query you about what you doing.

The things you see as something not good or abnormal is normal because you are saying this because you are still at that stage, believe me or not if you pass this stage and it happens that you understand your left and right of this forum I don't think you could be saying all this anymore. You could have looked for something more better to improve this forum, between from my greatest knowledge so far there are some user who are one way or the other has impacted in this forum by rendering some tools which we are using now to explore this forum. So lemme correct you from that word you said no is to recreate this forum. Yes but they have added value to the forum which we are all benefiting now.

Do you want those users to be listed here so you could see their inputs to the forum?
I think when you are making of the forum always take notes of anything you are seeing then come ask who introduced it.

[Mpamaegbu]

Merit fishing
You will see someone with thousands of merits accusing another person with 5 merits of merit fishing. I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

That type of prejudice has abated now unlike a few years ago when anyone below the legendary rank was seen as a merit beggar. I think that conception will get more blurred in time to come with merit offering threads springing up to help other users rank up.

Bounty hunting
Bounty hunters are treated as menace in the forum. Once you are known as a bounty person, you will be treated as an anti-bitcointalk.

I guess what you perceived as hatred for them is because of the level of unchecked activities and low post quality coming from that quarters steadily. Spam posts don't help anyone. You only need to look fleetingly there to know the level of spam that goes on. Most (I want to be mild with language, otherwise I would say all) of the bounty hunters don't even make constructive posts that can aid the growth of this forum because their aim isn't to. They're mostly interested in making bounty reports.

[Zoomic]

1) I have signatures and avatars on ignore, so unless I check a member's profile manually I have no idea if they're participating in a bounty or campaign.

Doesn't this defeat the idea of signature campaign in the forum? I mean, if everyone has signatures on ignore, obviously traffic won't be generated from the forum and companies will not want to run signature campaign in the forum again.

Only logged-in users can do that, not guests. And I imagine there are way more guests browsing random threads of the forum through Google search, per day, than there are active users - let alone active users with signatures disabled, since that option is not even enabled by default when you first register for an account here.

I have read your post above in this thread and I think this is the second one. The first was somehow lengthy and everything in it seems factual. But in this post, you alleged that the number of non registered visitors mighty likely be more than the number of registered users visiting this forum on a daily basics. I doubt this, do you have any data to buttress your claim?

[JollyGood]

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Everybody should enjoy the forum within the rules, I think you will not find a single member that would disagree with the above comment.

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

Yes, people have the freedom to express their opinions. So what are you ranting about?

Ulterior motives, perhaps? Or some experience where he was either accused or simply witnessed names being thrown around.

Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

To be honest, what you just said is a load of rubbish. At the time it was considered to ban signature campaigns or disable signatures but to stop the spam problem in the forum where you had a lot of people writing rubbish to rank up and earn money.

As theymos is smarter than that, he came up with the idea of the merit system, which reduced the spam problem a lot because before it was introduced people would rank up simply by seniority, and many would just do it by writing rubbish one-liners in mega-threads and stuff like that. I was on the forum during the changeover, when the merit system was introduced, so I could see what happened.

What you call genuineness I'll explain it to you: if theymos ends with the signature campaigns today, tomorrow traffic would be reduced so much that you wouldn't even recognise the forum. I've seen other forums die but for other reasons, and that's when you go there and you think about replying to a thread but you see that in most of them the last reply was a few days or even weeks ago.

On the other hand that would be giving away traffic to other forums, where the genuineness you are talking about would go, and if this forum is mainly to preserve Satoshi's writings I think it is better if it remains an active forum than if it looks like a tomb or a desert.

The OP clearly is unhappy at aspects of way many of us view some members. Of the list he made which seems to detail ways in which some forum members frown upon certain activities or certain members, he has made a fairly accurate case to demonstrate members can be viewed unfairly and accused of being the very things he listed. However, the irony is that with what he quoted he has made the case those accurate assumptions when being accused of being the very things he is complaining about.

Yes, people have the freedom to express their opinions. So what are you ranting about?

Not actually about freedom of speech, but freedom of one's speech shouldn't be in such a way to make another believe they lost their own freedom or they never had the freedom.

It is an unfortunate fact but if the OP wants members to have freedom to express their own opinions without restriction to please others, then that same freedom works both ways.

[Eh Moo Nah]

You came to this forum to earn
This is another phrase that is used against newcomers. Did anyone join this forum to recreate the forum? You will see someone wearing high paying signature and yet will frustrate a newcomer trying to rank up because they perceived the newcomer came for money. Maybe theymos will have to deactivate signature campaign let's see how many people will remain active here genuinely.

This is about freedom, let us allow everyone to enjoy this freedom at the confine of the forum rules and regulations.

to the extent that this kind of illegal activity still ongoing?

you talk about "freedom" - Check this link


Accounts buy and sell

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439652.0

Just a new update. lol.

Updated.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I mean there is a merit system, it should not be a crime if anyone makes posts to earn merits in order to rank up, whether they fish for it, hunt it or the merits locate them (which is very rare.)

I wouldn't disagree on anything you said, if you didn't add this piece of sentence....for that reason, I've got 3 questions for you...
* Are you obliquely promoting merit fishing?? No? Do you have proves embedded in the above statement you made??
* What's your purpose in this forum?? To break the grand rule and soil the reputation of this whole community, with promoting a malicious act that's meant to frowned at?? Can you defend yourself based on the statement above??
* Do you know how many junk post we've been able to obscure, just by dimming an interest in merit fishers?? Are you not in support of this?? ... This takes us back to the 2nd question again - WHATS YOUR PURPOSE IN HERE??

Ps; I don't really know the type of peeps behind the "new era newbies" we've got today... OP, did you actually take some vodka or burn some weeds before making this post?? ... I don't even know how I missed your post...I'll be monitoring this account henceforth.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

OP is just another account with the character of a rebel who understands the word "freedom" and decides to speak out for the humiliated and insulted, in his opinion. Someone can sometimes express themselves in this way. And we can only answer all his demands by showing an example of how this forum is distinguished by its uniqueness. OP, if you think that the forum is very aggressive towards hunters for merit or fishermen for merit, then no one will simply accuse anyone. Bounty hunters rarely post from one account, which is why we see a lot of spam, as it is really difficult to post dozens of messages from ten accounts. Isn't it fair to point this out? Likewise, catching merit is sometimes so obvious that people simply cannot help but notice it and point it out so that the account owner does not consider himself more cunning than others. Are you ready to be deceived?

[348Judah]

Talking about bounty hunters on these forum, there are many reasons why they are not considered as a quality posters on this forum, you can imagine a user just having his registration done today and start to hunt after bounties the same day, no time to read the rules, make substantial contributions or even think of how to make a quality post to help the community growth as others are learning, this same bounty hunters are part of the reasons merit system was introduced, no shitposter, spammer or anyone who scams should be permitted to grow in rank, so if any bounty hunter is not progressing in this forum in rank or merits, that is because of the category he belongs to, i believe we should talk more on the active users and quality posters yet not receiving enough merits.