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September 24, 2023, 09:36:10 PM |
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The first red flag out here is the fact that they are messaging you out of the blue. Most people, especially those who are already doing alright on their own wouldn't message you for anything, unless they gravely need you to do something for them, like work or something. In this case they are luring you out in the open so they can scam the hell out of you. It also puzzles me how they were able to discern that you are a gambler. Most of the time, save for the occasional hit or miss adverts these bots won't bug you if you're not into some sort of shady telegram group. If you're in a group and are experiencing that kind of stuff especially on a regular basis, you have to message the admin of that group to do something with bots.
The fight against these bots start with having the common sense to tell between a real deal or a fake one. Do yourself a favor and make sure you don't fall for exploitative stuff like this again by arming yourself with the proper knowledge.
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September 24, 2023, 09:40:55 PM |
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I've experienced how Casinos used to consider huge money getting into an account. Particularly with gamblers who doesn't wager much with big money. I never wager with big money, all my bets used to be few dollars and to the max going out of control it could go high as $50. One day funds kept aside were moved towards the casino for gambling and the deposit kept rejected. I don't know why this is happening. Later I requested the support and they asked source and then only it can be deposited.
There are platforms that are working in such a way. With these platforms we're on the safer side, however if we're unlucky the money might get deposited and end with different problems getting connected with the deposit. So, it is good to be on the safer side avoiding shared bets from unknown persons.
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Mate2237
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September 24, 2023, 10:07:28 PM |
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You do well for bringing this to the forum to give awareness for everyone to see and be careful with their accounts. This thing you said is not only in gambling but also in trading platforms, I have seen this in trading platforms more than gambling side. I have received plenty message from telegram users to send them my account for them to trade on behalf of me then when they have made enough they would share it with me or I should registered in their platform and send them money for them to trade for me.
Mates, I refused to do that because I don't know who behind the scene to do me what is not good. Someone that has all the sense organs will not share his information to anyone to gamble because that is a personal security which the person must keep away from anyone. Ones again thank you for the information.
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goinmerry
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September 24, 2023, 10:19:16 PM |
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The first red flag out here is the fact that they are messaging you out of the blue. Most people, especially those who are already doing alright on their own wouldn't message you for anything, unless they gravely need you to do something for them, like work or something. In this case they are luring you out in the open so they can scam the hell out of you. The same case to luring people to Ponzi schemes, trading groups, sports betting tips, and others. That type of practice is already common in social media platforms, especially Telegram and the only way to avoid those is to have our personal settings restricts message from the unknown. Here in our forum, we can modify our personal message settings here. Most users that likely to reach out victims are mostly newbie accounts so it's good way to consider not to received PMs from newbies. It also puzzles me how they were able to discern that you are a gambler.
If we refer to OP's shared story, those guys that sent him a message probably encounter one of his threads here in the Gambling section. And probably based on the details that those people saw on that thread, they think OP is a heavy gambler making him a good candidate for their scheme if they were able to lure OP successfully.
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September 24, 2023, 10:48:03 PM |
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This is entirely new to me I never imagined that some users or this type of hunter would read and collect such information to exploit it. If I hadnt come across your thread and one day posted my bets and shared SSs, I might have fallen for such offers. To be honest I'm always on the lookout for opportunities, so if someone presented and offered me with a deal like this I might easily have agreed to it. It's important to be honest with ourselves when there's profit involved (small or big) our minds often overlook the risks of falling into a bad trap. I appreciate the lesson you've shared, and I'll be more cautious in the future because I think I may have already shared such information. I have received a similar offer but it was in the opposite direction.I mean someone offered me granteed betting signals but required me to use my own money to place a bet, guaranteeing a 100% win in exchange for 20% of the profit I earned from that bet. It's an old trick where scammers share betting signals with many people. For exp, in a match between Team 1 and Team 2, the scammer might ask one victim to bet on Team 1 and another victim to bet on Team 2 ensuring a win of 20% regardless of the outcome he will receive his 20% share.
Your situation is entirely new and it is an advanced scam because the scammer has access to inside informations and fixed games. People should be so caution especially on Bitcointalk which is known as a popular place where gamblers gather in the gambling section.
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Tuturtinular
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September 24, 2023, 10:58:25 PM |
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~snip~ Never share your casino account to anyone here especially those so-called whale bettors because you might be connected to whatever shit they are doing illegally.
I have an account on a gambling site that uses fiat currency for deposits and withdrawals, the gambling site requires KYC when registering and they will only approve if there is a withdrawal request to a bank account in my name. In their gambling site regulations, it is prohibited to make withdrawal requests to bank accounts that are not in the name of the registrant, they also prohibit changing bank accounts if the name of the bank account owner is different from the KYC that has been registered. Do conditions like this also allow hackers to steal our money?
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September 25, 2023, 11:12:11 AM |
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Yes. Simple life experience (in all areas) indicates that if we receive a lucrative offer from shady individuals, then there is definitely some kind of catch here and the matter will end in a loss. I try to keep my data private and will never get involved in any scheme where I will not clearly see and understand the entire process from beginning to end. Taking on responsibility (even criminal liability if the other party is involved in stolen credit cards) for the sake of any profit is super stupid.
I missed some part of the thread but was OP asked to buy BTC using a credit card? It makes sense to decline when it's something like this which is the reason for them to reach out and ask someone to bet for them after they mistakenly assume OP is a high roller. However, if they are real, they are also risking a lot of money that they would send to someone anonymous like OP. I wonder how those guys would recover the funds let's say OP withdraws the funds to his wallet. It would be funny to learn he scammed the credit card thief. No, there was nothing about this, but I assume that this is exactly the scheme there. Do you really know nothing about the scheme when you are offered to bet on a “fixed match” and the commission (payment for your help) is very generous (up to 50%)? Moreover, you won’t even bet your money - the required amount will be transferred to you. The problem is that these coins are stolen and the scammers don’t care how much you pay - if you win, they will receive 50%, but with the white money that you receive from the casino, you will also receive the winnings, but also subsequent problems with the police (you provided your account, which means there will be questions to you). This is money laundering where you are left with dirty money in your hands.
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September 25, 2023, 11:56:06 AM |
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I recently received multiple PM on my Telegram account that offers profit sharing for placing bets on their behalf. They probably see my thread Betting significant amount and assume I'm a whale gambler(FYI I'm not whale gambler). They are offering a huge money to bet on your account then they will give you a commission. Sounds interesting right? But the danger in this deal is you might be connected to the match-fixing syndicate which will jeopardize your integrity since you KYC already on the casino if you are betting a significant amount like me. The worst is you might be flagged as a money launderer once you connect with them and accept money as payment. I have a very bad experience in regards to being connected to a launderer due to P2P on the exchange so I decided to create this warning thread for the fellow gambler. Never share your casino account to anyone here especially those so-called whale bettors because you might be connected to whatever shit they are doing illegally. I also received this offer but I straightforwardly declined their offer. It is hard to be connected to a syndicate, it may not only jeopardized our account by our life as well. Since casinos have our identification if we happen to do KYC on the platform, it would not hard to people who have ill intentions to get our information by bribing staffs of casinos. It is way better to play it safe and have peace of mind. For me I will never compromise my safety in exchange for money. So, it is a good move to reject these kinds of offers.
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September 25, 2023, 12:13:15 PM |
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Thank you for the warning, so many of these scams going around again. They seem to come and go in waves, seems to be on th raise again. As a general rule, its always better to never share any account that holds currency or personal info anywhere.
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September 29, 2023, 02:36:21 AM |
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Thank you for the warning, so many of these scams going around again. They seem to come and go in waves, seems to be on th raise again. As a general rule, its always better to never share any account that holds currency or personal info anywhere.
It is not surprising that we are seeing a surging on the number of scams in this market, just as investors are getting ready to welcome the upcoming bull run and they are accumulating all the coins they can, the same is true for scammers, it is just that their method of accumulation is completely illegal, but the principles behind it are the same. And while incredibly sad, those kind of scams will do nothing but to increase, as such people need to be very careful or they may easily find themselves in a situation in which they lose their coins in an unexpected way.
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xSkylarx
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September 29, 2023, 02:54:19 AM |
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Thanks for the information. At firstbit was really weird because they were just asking you about betting and giving you commissions so we should be cautious on this. You should always be thinking on the negative side in this kind of situation, like why they are doing this and why they just can't do it on their own. For sure, there are tons of accounts that got banned on this because of commission is really appealing. I do hope that they won't victimize others too.
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September 29, 2023, 06:58:31 AM |
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I appreciate you giving the advice. Your concern is valid, and I realize that. I mean, these unwanted offers can obviously be attractive. It's a tempting offer to take a cut of the earnings simply for placing a wager. However, think about the potential consequences. Like you, I'd worry about being involved in match-fixing or money laundering. It's messy, I can assure you, having witnessed people fall into these traps in the past. The draw of easy money makes them blind to what might happen. Putting personal integrity at risk of legal action is not worth it. I support entertaining, clean, and independent betting. Holding on to our accounts tight, let's avoid these dubious deals
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September 29, 2023, 07:15:08 AM |
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I appreciate you giving the advice. Your concern is valid, and I realize that. I mean, these unwanted offers can obviously be attractive. It's a tempting offer to take a cut of the earnings simply for placing a wager.
No, if it's their own money that will be used in gambling, it can be attractive. However, if it's not their money, then it isn't. Furthermore, if it's their money but the condition is that you have to provide them with your login details, that's another red flag. I don't see anything attractive in this offer. It's either you'll risk your own money or you'll risk your personal information by cooperating with them.
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September 29, 2023, 08:35:12 AM |
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I appreciate you giving the advice. Your concern is valid, and I realize that. I mean, these unwanted offers can obviously be attractive. It's a tempting offer to take a cut of the earnings simply for placing a wager.
No, if it's their own money that will be used in gambling, it can be attractive. However, if it's not their money, then it isn't. Furthermore, if it's their money but the condition is that you have to provide them with your login details, that's another red flag. I don't see anything attractive in this offer. It's either you'll risk your own money or you'll risk your personal information by cooperating with them. This offer may vary depending on the person they're offering to, especially for people who might need those commission or cut just by gambling on their account. I've also received some of these offers via telegram and they'll ask for your credentials and they'll even offer to deposit funds(not the full amount) first before you provide your user and password. You won't really need to use your funds but if ever you do, they'll provide you with a much higher reward or commission. Also, your KYC matters a lot on these offers as they'll ask for it and your country of origin. So yeah, try to avoid these whether these are honest offers or not as your identity is at stake with these.
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September 29, 2023, 10:26:18 AM |
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I recently received multiple PM on my Telegram account that offers profit sharing for placing bets on their behalf. They probably see my thread Betting significant amount and assume I'm a whale gambler(FYI I'm not whale gambler). They are offering a huge money to bet on your account then they will give you a commission. Sounds interesting right? But the danger in this deal is you might be connected to the match-fixing syndicate which will jeopardize your integrity since you KYC already on the casino if you are betting a significant amount like me. The worst is you might be flagged as a money launderer once you connect with them and accept money as payment. I have a very bad experience in regards to being connected to a launderer due to P2P on the exchange so I decided to create this warning thread for the fellow gambler. Never share your casino account to anyone here especially those so-called whale bettors because you might be connected to whatever shit they are doing illegally. Even if it wasn't money laundering, which it definitely would be, and would send you to jail for years, you would be making a tax fraud, and that would also be worth lot of prison time if you got caught. If you are promised lots of money by someone, and they are actually paying you. They are paying for something, that most people wouldn't do for a really good reason that they are not telling you.
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September 29, 2023, 10:38:39 AM |
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Sharing your casino/sports betting account with someone else is against the Terms of Service of every normal online casino/sports betting platform in the world. Can you describe the offers you are getting from the scammers? Do they want to gain access over your account or they want to send you money, so you could gamble on their behalf? Sending money(especially cryptocurrencies) to a random stranger and expecting him to do his part of the "deal" is one of the dumbest things ever. How could the scammers force me to bet on my account after they send me XXXX amount of crypto? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) There's no way for them to force me to do anything against my will.
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Mr. Magkaisa
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September 29, 2023, 11:12:49 AM |
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I recently received multiple PM on my Telegram account that offers profit sharing for placing bets on their behalf. They probably see my thread Betting significant amount and assume I'm a whale gambler(FYI I'm not whale gambler). They are offering a huge money to bet on your account then they will give you a commission. Sounds interesting right? But the danger in this deal is you might be connected to the match-fixing syndicate which will jeopardize your integrity since you KYC already on the casino if you are betting a significant amount like me. The worst is you might be flagged as a money launderer once you connect with them and accept money as payment. I have a very bad experience in regards to being connected to a launderer due to P2P on the exchange so I decided to create this warning thread for the fellow gambler. Never share your casino account to anyone here especially those so-called whale bettors because you might be connected to whatever shit they are doing illegally. - You did the right thing, mate; at least because of the knowledge you have and are aware of such styles, you didn't bite what they wanted to happen. And besides that, you are right that you are not far from being flagged by the casino that you have an account with. Maybe they thought you would be dazzled by their offer to you; that's why they made a mistake by telling you in such a style. You did a really good job, mate, and thank you very much for giving such a style to scammers who can do bad things to anyone who is here on the forum platform playing crypto gambling.
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Coin_trader (OP)
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September 29, 2023, 02:05:08 PM |
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Can you describe the offers you are getting from the scammers? Do they want to gain access over your account or they want to send you money, so you could gamble on their behalf?
I cover this on the last part of my post. They are asking to place a bet for them(either through the use of escrow or directly to your account if you are a trusted user here in the forum). I created this thread since the offer will not gonna put you on any disadvantage since the money is secured for bet while there's a guaranteed profit sharing at the end. I didn't continue to entertain the requests since they are already badgering me with stupid requests which I'm not really interested despite the profit sharing. I created this thread since some user might accept this offer if they don't know the real disadvantage on dealing with this kind of offer. Sending money(especially cryptocurrencies) to a random stranger and expecting him to do his part of the "deal" is one of the dumbest things ever. How could the scammers force me to bet on my account after they send me XXXX amount of crypto? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) There's no way for them to force me to do anything against my will. Lmao, they are looking on the reputation of the user here in the forum and how much you are betting on your casino account. They will not offer a random user here with low wager volume in the casino. So obviously, if you are just a normal gambler and not that trusted here then you will not gonna receive this offer. This is for high roller gambler since they need higher betting limit to place their bet.
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September 29, 2023, 02:12:13 PM |
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I recently received multiple PM on my Telegram account that offers profit sharing for placing bets on their behalf. They probably see my thread Betting significant amount and assume I'm a whale gambler(FYI I'm not whale gambler). They are offering a huge money to bet on your account then they will give you a commission. Sounds interesting right? But the danger in this deal is you might be connected to the match-fixing syndicate which will jeopardize your integrity since you KYC already on the casino if you are betting a significant amount like me. The worst is you might be flagged as a money launderer once you connect with them and accept money as payment. I have a very bad experience in regards to being connected to a launderer due to P2P on the exchange so I decided to create this warning thread for the fellow gambler. Never share your casino account to anyone here especially those so-called whale bettors because you might be connected to whatever shit they are doing illegally. Firstly, for the reason being that this is coming from the telegram as offer is a suspicious activity or attempts aimed at you, i use to say it countless times that if you're probably not in love for money to that extent, we may not have fallen a victim of scam the way we receives several attempts to scam us through various gambling tricks, an experience and sound reasoning gambler would have seen and known this kind as a scam attempts without going further, this people are making even the use of telegram more difficult to trust or use for any reason.
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September 29, 2023, 09:17:42 PM |
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I recently received multiple PM on my Telegram account that offers profit sharing for placing bets on their behalf. They probably see my thread Betting significant amount and assume I'm a whale gambler(FYI I'm not whale gambler). They are offering a huge money to bet on your account then they will give you a commission. Sounds interesting right? But the danger in this deal is you might be connected to the match-fixing syndicate which will jeopardize your integrity since you KYC already on the casino if you are betting a significant amount like me. The worst is you might be flagged as a money launderer once you connect with them and accept money as payment. I have a very bad experience in regards to being connected to a launderer due to P2P on the exchange so I decided to create this warning thread for the fellow gambler. Never share your casino account to anyone here especially those so-called whale bettors because you might be connected to whatever shit they are doing illegally. Firstly, for the reason being that this is coming from the telegram as offer is a suspicious activity or attempts aimed at you, i use to say it countless times that if you're probably not in love for money to that extent, we may not have fallen a victim of scam the way we receives several attempts to scam us through various gambling tricks, an experience and sound reasoning gambler would have seen and known this kind as a scam attempts without going further, this people are making even the use of telegram more difficult to trust or use for any reason. Scammers will do many things besides using Telegram to scam people. Perhaps they have succeeded in scamming many people during this time and still want to scam more victims. If they fail to get new victims this time, they will not stop and will look for other new victims because they know there are still many greedy people who want to get easy money without thinking about the risks. Those of us who already know that Telegram is a place for people to scam other people, we have to be careful and not get fooled, especially since @OP has shared his experience.
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