Request for sent merit edit button

[EL MOHA]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

Secondly shouldn’t we have a patch on editing merit sent even if it is for a specified time like how the edit button doesn’t reflect edited when it is done immediately the post is made.

PowerGlove is there a way to go round this?

Definitely pained to have wasted all my smerits on a single post.

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[Cantsay]

Nah! I doubt those will be implemented the first is a good suggestion though.
And again you’re not the first user who have mistakenly sent more than the amount of merit they want to send to a post, so when next you want to send merit just make sure you check what you typed again before you click “send” it takes less than 30 seconds to do so, so next time do not be in a hurry to release your merit.

[Majestic-milf]

 Ouch! I understand your pain, bruh but I doubt such will be considered. I hate to be the harbinger of bad news but these things are already there. While giving the merit, even though the words "are you sure you want to merit so and so" is not written, something like "this can't be undone" is there which clearly means you have to cross-check before doling your merits.. I hate to rub it in but you've just made someone's day ..(esp if the recipient is someone looking to rank up)

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My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

That can not be done. Check and check the number of merits that you want to send again and again before sending it.

Secondly shouldn’t we have a patch on editing merit sent even if it is for a specified time like how the edit button doesn’t reflect edited when it is done immediately the post is made.

I do not see any reason for that, it is best as it is now that if you send merit already, you can not reclaim or reverse the merit that you have sent already.

When you are about to send merit on the merit sending page, you will see it can not be undone immediately under the send button, that is enough as a warning that the merit sent can not be reversed.

[dzungmobile]

PowerGlove is there a way to go round this?

PowerGlove is a helpful member for this forum, his badge shows his contributions as well as roles in the forum.

The badge means "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws".

He does not have power to decide and change forum policies like adding demerit which has never been deployed in Bitcointalk.

Merit & new rank requirements

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

When you click on Merit a post, at bottom, you see "This cannot be undone!". Yes, it cannot be undone. There are some merit transactions were reverted by theymos, a head admin, but he did it because of merit abuse.

[Wapfika]

Ouch! I understand your pain, bruh but I doubt such will be considered. I hate to be the harbinger of bad news but these things are already there. While giving the merit, even though the words "are you sure you want to merit so and so" is not written, something like "this can't be undone" is there which clearly means you have to cross-check before doling your merits.. I hate to rub it in but you've just made someone's day ..(esp if the recipient is someone looking to rank up)

There’s literally a warning that sending merit can’t be undone right at the bottom of the send button.

I agree this can't be edited just like trust feedback. Merit system is designed to become decentralized like Bitcoin. It's a "touch move".

[Orpichukwu]

This kind of mistake is actually kind of rude to make, as what was expected was to delete the first zero there and add your two there, and everything will be all right. The kind of mistake that I also think someone can make is a place where the person might try to send 1–5 merit and they add the number before the zero without remembering to delete the 0 and they end up sending 10, instead of 1, and 20 instead of 2, just like that, used 1–50 since someone can't send more than 50 merit at once. In your own line of mistake, you clicked on the merit page, deleted the zero, and added 2 twice. Maybe this was a result of a little distraction or a keyboard malfunction.
 
Your suggestion is nice; it's just as similar as . Ignore user confirmation before ignoring . This is where someone mistakenly adds another user to his ignore list without his knowledge, which leads him to make a suggestion for confirmation notification before approving the ignore list. If there is any chance that they can give this a second thought and consider it, then there will be possibilities of your suggesting to also be added to the to-do list of the admin, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

[Plaguedeath]

It's really an accident or intentional?

I disagree, adding new page to make sure we want to send our merit or not is time wasting. Actually I'd hope meriting could be more easier like having blank page in every post, fill the blank and then click send without need to confirm (pretty much similar like modify button in the right corner of our post).

[stompix]

Definitely pained to have wasted all my smerits on a single post.

It's smerit, you would not benefit from hoarding it, and the fact that you had 22 of it, it means you've had it since at least last month, basically you're feeling bad for giving away something you're not keen on giving and you have no benefit from. So why?

My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained,

Now imagine you would have sent 2 BTC instead of 2 mBTC   

[Bureau]

My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

I believe what you said that from 2 to 22 sMerits was an accident, such an error can happen to anyone. While being in this forum for a few months now, I haven't seen anyone creating a post. Such issues on the forum happen rarely, it is not common to see some of the legendary members distributing a big chunk of sMerits. I cannot go and find those users now, nor do I think it is good to post links to such posts.

Coming back to your question about whether a patch can be added or the admin can agree with that patch. The question from me to you is why? We are already using outdated forum software, the admin is least interested in upgrading it. I doubt your request would be accepted, it would be wise on your part to not commit such a mistake in the future.

It's really an accident or intentional?

I was planning to ask the same question, let's assume it was accidental and give him the benefit of the doubt .

[PowerGlove]

PowerGlove is there a way to go round this?

I don't have access to theymos' modifications to SMF 1.1.19, so there are things (merit system, trust system, etc.) that I'm unable to patch. Maybe one day theymos and I will come to an arrangement that broadens my reach, but for now, my hands are pretty much tied.

I could see making some tweaks to the merit-sending UI (e.g. a passive notice when you're about to send merit to a banned user), but a confirmation dialog designed to prevent accidental over-spending is likely to annoy more people than it helps (I suppose it could be a profile setting that's off by default), and adding the ability to undo/edit merit transactions is inadvisable, IMO (I guess something like 180 seconds of "grace period" might be workable, but in general: I think it would be opening up a can of worms in exchange for very little upside, and it would confuse/break a lot of third-party tools).

I'm sorry you accidentally drained your sMerit balance: be more careful in the future, yo.

[Lucius]

It's smerit, you would not benefit from hoarding it, and the fact that you had 22 of it, it means you've had it since at least last month, basically you're feeling bad for giving away something you're not keen on giving and you have no benefit from. So why?

If you are a merit source or you get a lot of merit for your posts, then 22 or any other number of mistakenly sent merits does not mean anything - but if you are an average non-MS user or you get a few merits here and there, then such errors are not very pleasant. The OP would certainly distribute those merits to several users, just as I do with my sMerits, although I would much prefer to be able to reward some posts with more than 1 merit.

[lovesmayfamilis]

There is a very good way to avoid sending random merits, not to be greedy, and not to accumulate many merits. If you, OP, were more generous, then sending twenty-two merits at a time would be impossible. Such situations will never happen to people who do not accumulate their merits. Except for everything, don't be sorry; just please the person who got such a gift.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Some months ago, I was doubting whether to send 2 or 1 sMerits to a given post, and ended up sending 21. It happens every now and then.

I recalled seeing a script to go with Tampermonkey that, though created in origin to speed-up somewhat the meriting process, was later enhanced to include an interface that could come in handy to reduce these type of mess-ups:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.msg52249695#msg52249695

I guess one could yet evolve it to add a second confirmation for sMerit amounts sent when larger than X (a second confirmation for any amount would become a nuisance and, in any case, drive people to click yes by force of habit).

[philipma1957]

Sent you 4 merits. As I hope you just made a mistake and are not trying a clever way to gain merits. I will read your post later today and see what I think of you.

[EL MOHA]

Some months ago, I was doubting whether to send 2 or 1 sMerits to a given post, and ended up sending 21. It happens every now and then.

I recalled seeing a script to go with Tampermonkey that, though created in origin to speed-up somewhat the meriting process, was later enhanced to include an interface that could come in handy to reduce these type of mess-ups:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.msg52249695#msg52249695

I guess one could yet evolve it to add a second confirmation for sMerit amounts sent when larger than X (a second confirmation for any amount would become a nuisance and, in any case, drive people to click yes by force of habit).

What actually messed mine up was like I just saw the post and was like let me send 2 then saw I had 24 smerits and in my head I would have 22 left after sending that two, then it was the 22 I ended sending. Maybe that’s punishment for hoarding something that was giving freely to me. But would have appreciated I splashed them on many posts or even a thread created not just a random reply.

Second confirmation would be actually helpful. But maybe things like this is teaching one how to avoid mistake on this crypto space, imagine it was bitcoin, I would probably be on drips now.

[tbct_mt2]

Your suggestion is nice

Not actually nice. It will make ranks more complicated. You rank up when having enough merit for a new rank, then someone demerit you, and you drop off, do you like it?

It is less important and serious than how managers will pick participants. Their works to select participants for campaigns will be more difficult when applicant's earned merits can change quickly by demerit.

it's just as similar as . Ignore user confirmation before ignoring . This is where someone mistakenly adds another user to his ignore list without his knowledge, which leads him to make a suggestion for confirmation notification before approving the ignore list. If there is any chance that they can give this a second thought and consider it, then there will be possibilities of your suggesting to also be added to the to-do list of the admin, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

It is not similar, ignore a user can be done by yourself and it won't affect anyone else, only you. Nobody knows you ignore that user, this user or not, only you know it and it does not affect your rank or chance to join any signature campaign.

It's different than merit and demerit.

[PytagoraZ]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

Considering that in this forum merit is something that is very valuable, you must be very sad because of this mistake. I never made a mistake like that because my merits always ran out, at most I had 3, and they ran out more often. That's why theymos warn against hoarding merits, so maybe this is karma for hoarding merits 

[LoyceMobile]

As the sender of tens of thousands of Merits, I'd hate to see a confirmation pop-up. Once you're used to it, you'll click it without reading, so all it does is waste your time.
I've made mistakes a few times, but in total it's about 0.2% of my sMerit that went wrong. It's not a big deal.

[PytagoraZ]

As the sender of tens of thousands of Merits, I'd hate to see a confirmation pop-up. Once you're used to it, you'll click it without reading, so all it does is waste your time.
I've made mistakes a few times, but in total it's about 0.2% of my sMerit that went wrong. It's not a big deal.

Unfortunately he wasn't used to sending out merits so he kept that much merit. Maybe from OP's point of view, you should keep your merits, don't share them anymore....