Cloudbet scammed me for 1BTC

[holydarkness]

I didn’t self exclude from each of them manually, there’s a form that gets submitted directly to the regulator.

It’s important to note that exclusions in Australia are not IP related or anything like that. You are basically unable to verify an account given that your identification will flag the exclusion.

OK, so you are fully aware that you wouldn't be able to register and verify your account on any regulated online casino in Australia. So what does a person who wants to gamble do in that situation? One way to get around that would be to register on a gambling site that isn't subject to Australian regulations. If you believed Cloudbet's words and marketing that they are licensed and fully regulated in Australia, why then would you sign up when you know that you can't verify your account and get your money in the end? It makes no sense.

You are again targeting my mistake and lapse of judgement which I never denied. The only thing I could possibly respond to that with is I’m a previous problem gambler as well as someone who is medically deemed psychologically permanently incapacitated with mental health problems- it has prevented me from working a job for 14 months. So yes I did create an account and deposited under those circumstances.

That does NOT excuse  Cloudbet from false advertisements, lies told by their operators and the  manipulation of users to inevitably breach their terms and conditions, which should be seen none other than exploitation and scam practice.

That makes you dealing in bad faith.

There's a chance if a casino outside Australia's jurisdiction accept you and you lost significant bet, you'll quite likely complained that you lost hefty sum of fund on that casino despite you've made yourself self-excluded by Australian govt. and that casino should never be allowed to accept your registration as you've been ID-blacklisted by your govt. Thus, suing them just like this case.

For this case, though, the possibility of dealing in bad faith is even worse. You know you're forbidden by your govt., you've made sure you're self-excluded from any gambling casino with Australian jurisdiction, so Cloudbet's false advertisement "shouldn't be" matter as you should have know you'll ended up never being able to play with them. Suppose you didn't lose your bet, you win, and then on withdrawal phase you're forbidden from playing because they identified your self-exclusion after KYC, you'll still come here with the same complaint, this time the thread will titled "cloudbet refused my 1 BTC withdrawal". If you play, win, and managed to successfully WD, though, it'll be just like you admitted,

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Some guy inboxed me before asking, would you be complaining if you won. Not at all, however as per the reddit post I referred to, cloudbet initiate KYC after substantial wins and void bets if found to be playing from a prohibited jurisdiction. So I may have won, but who’s to say I would have actually been able to get my hands on it.

Was it not dealing in a bad faith? If you won and managed to WD, you won't be complaining. If you won and couldn't WD due to the KYC, you'll say they cheated you because you can't get your hand on it. If you lose, even without the false advertisement, you'll say they shouldn't allow you to play due to the nation-wide self-exclusion. The compulsion of the mislading advertisement is not necessary element here, you should have known that you can't play on that casino, no matter what, due to your ID-based self-exclusion. So, why did you?

I won't say Cloudbet didn't do wrong with the advertisement and jurisdiction, but I agree with what Pmalek said earlier on this thread, that Cloudbet's advertisement and your case should be separate case.

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[Abzzy]

I didn’t self exclude from each of them manually, there’s a form that gets submitted directly to the regulator.

It’s important to note that exclusions in Australia are not IP related or anything like that. You are basically unable to verify an account given that your identification will flag the exclusion.

OK, so you are fully aware that you wouldn't be able to register and verify your account on any regulated online casino in Australia. So what does a person who wants to gamble do in that situation? One way to get around that would be to register on a gambling site that isn't subject to Australian regulations. If you believed Cloudbet's words and marketing that they are licensed and fully regulated in Australia, why then would you sign up when you know that you can't verify your account and get your money in the end? It makes no sense.

You are again targeting my mistake and lapse of judgement which I never denied. The only thing I could possibly respond to that with is I’m a previous problem gambler as well as someone who is medically deemed psychologically permanently incapacitated with mental health problems- it has prevented me from working a job for 14 months. So yes I did create an account and deposited under those circumstances.

That does NOT excuse  Cloudbet from false advertisements, lies told by their operators and the  manipulation of users to inevitably breach their terms and conditions, which should be seen none other than exploitation and scam practice.

That makes you dealing in bad faith.

There's a chance if a casino outside Australia's jurisdiction accept you and you lost significant bet, you'll quite likely complained that you lost hefty sum of fund on that casino despite you've made yourself self-excluded by Australian govt. and that casino should never be allowed to accept your registration as you've been ID-blacklisted by your govt. Thus, suing them just like this case.

For this case, though, the possibility of dealing in bad faith is even worse. You know you're forbidden by your govt., you've made sure you're self-excluded from any gambling casino with Australian jurisdiction, so Cloudbet's false advertisement "shouldn't be" matter as you should have know you'll ended up never being able to play with them. Suppose you didn't lose your bet, you win, and then on withdrawal phase you're forbidden from playing because they identified your self-exclusion after KYC, you'll still come here with the same complaint, this time the thread will titled "cloudbet refused my 1 BTC withdrawal". If you play, win, and managed to successfully WD, though, it'll be just like you admitted,

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Some guy inboxed me before asking, would you be complaining if you won. Not at all, however as per the reddit post I referred to, cloudbet initiate KYC after substantial wins and void bets if found to be playing from a prohibited jurisdiction. So I may have won, but who’s to say I would have actually been able to get my hands on it.

Was it not dealing in a bad faith? If you won and managed to WD, you won't be complaining. If you won and couldn't WD due to the KYC, you'll say they cheated you because you can't get your hand on it. If you lose, even without the false advertisement, you'll say they shouldn't allow you to play due to the nation-wide self-exclusion. The compulsion of the mislading advertisement is not necessary element here, you should have known that you can't play on that casino, no matter what, due to your ID-based self-exclusion. So, why did you?

I won't say Cloudbet didn't do wrong with the advertisement and jurisdiction, but I agree with what Pmalek said earlier on this thread, that Cloudbet's advertisement and your case should be separate case.

Based on that logic, anyone who is  tricked or fooled into giving another party money based on false representations doesn’t deserve to get their money back.
The fact that the suspect lied to them and deceived them should not be tied to the fact their money is gone.
All scam victims must look in a mirror and accept their fate, and all scam suspect shall be forgiven.

I’m not sure where you reside, but in australia - that gets you jailed. Also in a civil court matter, the only person held liable is the person who lied.
I’m sure in your jurisdiction it’s the same, might wanna have a look.

[Pmalek]

Based on that logic, anyone who is  tricked or fooled into giving another party money based on false representations doesn’t deserve to get their money back.

I don't think you were fooled at all. I think you knew what you were doing. I think you were trying to create a win-win situation when you saw those advertisements by Cloudbet. You are now using their miss-advertisement to play the victim here. I will repeat what I said earlier. You gambled and lost. That part is fair play.

You knew you couldn't gamble on an Australian-licensed casino. If you had won and withdrawn the money from Cloudbet, you would be perfectly fine with that scenario and wouldn't be complaining about your mental problems. Since you lost, you are now trying to pressure the casino into giving you the coins back.

I personally don't believe you. I am sorry if you are ill and hope you get better one day. Nevertheless, I don't see you as an innocent victim who was tricked here. I see you as someone intelligent enough to take advantage of it for self-benefit.     

[holydarkness]

Based on that logic, anyone who is  tricked or fooled into giving another party money based on false representations doesn’t deserve to get their money back.
The fact that the suspect lied to them and deceived them should not be tied to the fact their money is gone.
All scam victims must look in a mirror and accept their fate, and all scam suspect shall be forgiven.

Depends on the detail of the case, either they do or they don't. When people are strictly fooled by the promotion, then I believe they deserve their money back. Your case, though, IMHO and sadly, no, because your case is not an innocent who got tricked by a promotion. As I --and Pmalek-- said before, Cloudbet's marketing and your situation should be treated as two different case.

Your case is about someone who realized he got himself a loophole and tried to manipulate it. Can you tell me in all honesty that you were compelled to play without fully realizing you shouldn't be able play there due to your own self-exclusion? As someone who take a length to be ID-based self-excluded, I believe you were not that naive that you didn't realize the implication of those marketing. And, if you do realize the implication and still played anyway, who's the victim now?

I’m not sure where you reside, but in australia - that gets you jailed. Also in a civil court matter, the only person held liable is the person who lied.
I’m sure in your jurisdiction it’s the same, might wanna have a look.

And... who lied to who here, again?

[Abzzy]

Based on that logic, anyone who is  tricked or fooled into giving another party money based on false representations doesn’t deserve to get their money back.
The fact that the suspect lied to them and deceived them should not be tied to the fact their money is gone.
All scam victims must look in a mirror and accept their fate, and all scam suspect shall be forgiven.

Depends on the detail of the case, either they do or they don't. When people are strictly fooled by the promotion, then I believe they deserve their money back. Your case, though, IMHO and sadly, no, because your case is not an innocent who got tricked by a promotion. As I --and Pmalek-- said before, Cloudbet's marketing and your situation should be treated as two different case.

Your case is about someone who realized he got himself a loophole and tried to manipulate it. Can you tell me in all honesty that you were compelled to play without fully realizing you shouldn't be able play there due to your own self-exclusion? As someone who take a length to be ID-based self-excluded, I believe you were not that naive that you didn't realize the implication of those marketing. And, if you do realize the implication and still played anyway, who's the victim now?

I’m not sure where you reside, but in australia - that gets you jailed. Also in a civil court matter, the only person held liable is the person who lied.
I’m sure in your jurisdiction it’s the same, might wanna have a look.

And... who lied to who here, again?

Based on that logic, anyone who is  tricked or fooled into giving another party money based on false representations doesn’t deserve to get their money back.

I don't think you were fooled at all. I think you knew what you were doing. I think you were trying to create a win-win situation when you saw those advertisements by Cloudbet. You are now using their miss-advertisement to play the victim here. I will repeat what I said earlier. You gambled and lost. That part is fair play.

You knew you couldn't gamble on an Australian-licensed casino. If you had won and withdrawn the money from Cloudbet, you would be perfectly fine with that scenario and wouldn't be complaining about your mental problems. Since you lost, you are now trying to pressure the casino into giving you the coins back.

I personally don't believe you. I am sorry if you are ill and hope you get better one day. Nevertheless, I don't see you as an innocent victim who was tricked here. I see you as someone intelligent enough to take advantage of it for self-benefit.     

To both of you.

Using  statements like “not an innocent victim” , “intelligent enough to take advantage” , “got himself a loophole and tried to manipulate it”  is DISGUSTING after I’ve literally told you multiple times that I’m permanently incapacitated to the point where I am unfit to work a job or fulfil any meaningful tasks.

I’m not permanently excluded from gambling  strictly due to having a gambling problem but because I have psychological injuries and I’m mentally vulnerable.

I forwarded my certified medical documents to lcb.org moderators, my confirmation is in the thread and you can go ahead and ask them.

I didn’t lie to cloudbet, I signed up as an AUSTRALIAN, with my name, address and personal details.
I had no bad intent at the time like you suggest. They had bad intent and they blatantly lied and I’ve provided enough evidence and information to prove that.

I’ve provided this thread to Cloudbet and asked them to respond. If what you were saying were even the slightest bit true they would have came here and spoken out.
Instead their in hiding, whilst you two, not knowing a thing about them are the ones here standing up for them.

[Pmalek]

I’ve provided this thread to Cloudbet and asked them to respond. If what you were saying were even the slightest bit true they would have came here and spoken out.
Instead their in hiding, whilst you two, not knowing a thing about them are the ones here standing up for them.

I have come to my conclusions based on everything I have seen and read here. I have no relationship with Cloudbet nor do I care about them one bit. If they owed you money, I would be one of the people sending them PMs asking for them to respond here. I have done that in the past several times. But they don't owe you anything because you lost it gambling. 

[Abzzy]

I’ve provided this thread to Cloudbet and asked them to respond. If what you were saying were even the slightest bit true they would have came here and spoken out.
Instead their in hiding, whilst you two, not knowing a thing about them are the ones here standing up for them.

I have come to my conclusions based on everything I have seen and read here. I have no relationship with Cloudbet nor do I care about them one bit. If they owed you money, I would be one of the people sending them PMs asking for them to respond here. I have done that in the past several times. But they don't owe you anything because you lost it gambling. 

So I guess everyone who invested with Bernie Madoff (google him if you don’t know) also isn’t owed anything.
Because they lost their money investing/stock market? NO
He lied to his clients, falsified facts of what he was doing/where  the money was going and ultimately got exposed. He got sentenced to 150 YEARS in prisons

No one victimised the investors for bad decisions, the Ponzi scheme liar was held accountable due to lying  for financial gain.
Which is exactly what I’ve proven Cloudbet to be doing.

You sound like you have a serious problem with the concept of gambling and it’s impacting your judgement on this matter. I can’t think of why else you’ve shoved all of the false statements and lies from Cloudbet aside and targeted me as at fault.

[Pmalek]

So I guess everyone who invested with Bernie Madoff (google him if you don’t know) also isn’t owed anything.

So, you are comparing your situation where you gambled and lost to a huge Ponzi scheme and its organizer who defrauded people of tens of billions of dollars? Apples and oranges.

No one victimised the investors for bad decisions, the Ponzi scheme liar was held accountable due to lying for financial gain.

Exactly, because he ran a Ponzi scheme and stole money. You gambled your money away on an online casino and now you want it back.

You sound like you have a serious problem with the concept of gambling and it’s impacting your judgement on this matter.

Dear Abzzy, you have a very serious problem with gambling, which is the reason you deposited not $1 or $10 but 1 Bitcoin and lost it. The sooner you realize it's your fault, the sooner the recovery process can start. You will never recover by blaming me or other people for your misfortunes.

[Abzzy]

So I guess everyone who invested with Bernie Madoff (google him if you don’t know) also isn’t owed anything.

So, you are comparing your situation where you gambled and lost to a huge Ponzi scheme and its organizer who defrauded people of tens of billions of dollars? Apples and oranges.

No one victimised the investors for bad decisions, the Ponzi scheme liar was held accountable due to lying for financial gain.

Exactly, because he ran a Ponzi scheme and stole money. You gambled your money away on an online casino and now you want it back.

You sound like you have a serious problem with the concept of gambling and it’s impacting your judgement on this matter.

Dear Abzzy, you have a very serious problem with gambling, which is the reason you deposited not $1 or $10 but 1 Bitcoin and lost it. The sooner you realize it's your fault, the sooner the recovery process can start. You will never recover by blaming me or other people for your misfortunes.

What is $10 to one person may be 1 Bitcoin to another, so once again your logic is flawed as the amount doesn’t change right and wrong and certainly doesn’t mean I burdon the entire blame.

Perhaps your bias because you can’t imagine yourself ever having, let alone betting 1 Bitcoin so there’s a sense of spite? I’m not sure but that’s what I’m starting to feel based i. Your language and views throughout this discussion.

[Pmalek]

What is $10 to one person may be 1 Bitcoin to another so once again your logic is flawed as the amount doesn’t change right and wrong and certainly doesn’t mean I burdon the entire blame.

No, the amount doesn't matter, and that wasn't the point of the post. What matters is your mistake in gambling with an amount you didn't want to lose, hence this flawed scam accusation.

Perhaps your bias because you can’t imagine yourself ever having, let alone betting 1 Bitcoin so there’s a sense of spite? I’m not sure but that’s what I’m starting to feel based i. Your language and views throughout this discussion.

No, it's not spite or jealousy, or the lack of a decent amount of collected BTC during the years. You can try to turn this into something personal of me against you but it's not going to work. Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose and then come here to say, you know what, I shouldn't have been allowed to gamble in the first place, so I want my money back.

It's your responsibility to adhere to the laws of the territory you reside in. If Australia prohibits online gambling in unlicensed online casinos, you are the one that needs to ensure where you can and can't play regardless of what anyone tells you on the street, online, or via marketing materials. You broke your nations gambling laws.

Here are two points you might find interesting from Cloudbet's T&Cs:

5.2. You have full capacity to enter into a legally binding agreement with us and you are not restricted by any form of limited legal capacity.
5.3. You understand that by using our services you may lose Cryptocurrency on bets placed, poker and casino games and accept that you are fully responsible for any such loss.

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/help/terms

[rohang]

It's your responsibility to adhere to the laws of the territory you reside in. If Australia prohibits online gambling in unlicensed online casinos, you are the one that needs to ensure where you can and can't play regardless of what anyone tells you on the street, online, or via marketing materials. You broke your nations gambling laws.

wow, i  agree 100%

Abzzy while i fully sympathise with  you, the money is gone and your time would be well spent  on your future instead of the past, There is very very low chance u will get the coins back and its not beneficial to waste more resources chasing it... all the best

[Abzzy]

What is $10 to one person may be 1 Bitcoin to another so once again your logic is flawed as the amount doesn’t change right and wrong and certainly doesn’t mean I burdon the entire blame.

No, the amount doesn't matter, and that wasn't the point of the post. What matters is your mistake in gambling with an amount you didn't want to lose, hence this flawed scam accusation.

Perhaps your bias because you can’t imagine yourself ever having, let alone betting 1 Bitcoin so there’s a sense of spite? I’m not sure but that’s what I’m starting to feel based i. Your language and views throughout this discussion.

No, it's not spite or jealousy, or the lack of a decent amount of collected BTC during the years. You can try to turn this into something personal of me against you but it's not going to work. Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose and then come here to say, you know what, I shouldn't have been allowed to gamble in the first place, so I want my money back.

It's your responsibility to adhere to the laws of the territory you reside in. If Australia prohibits online gambling in unlicensed online casinos, you are the one that needs to ensure where you can and can't play regardless of what anyone tells you on the street, online, or via marketing materials. You broke your nations gambling laws.

Here are two points you might find interesting from Cloudbet's T&Cs:

5.2. You have full capacity to enter into a legally binding agreement with us and you are not restricted by any form of limited legal capacity.
5.3. You understand that by using our services you may lose Cryptocurrency on bets placed, poker and casino games and accept that you are fully responsible for any such loss.

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/help/terms

Let me correct you here. It’s both mine and the operators responsibility to abide by the laws of my jurisdiction (this is also included in Cloudbets Curacao license fyi).
They lied that they were legal, licensed and compliant - which ultimately lead to me signing up so although I share responsibility - that argument becomes flawed given I was fooled into a false representation by the operator.

You also called this a “flawed” scam accusation.
The meaning of scam is a dishonest scheme for your own gain. This is not a flawed scam accusation, I’ve submitted enough evidence and screenshots to prove Cloudbets dishonesty. Perhaps the reason you keep challenging is that you havnt grasped the meaning of a scam to begin with.

Also, The terms and conditions you sent becomes invalid when your actively lured into breaking those exact terms you shared by the operator who set them..

[holydarkness]

What is $10 to one person may be 1 Bitcoin to another so once again your logic is flawed as the amount doesn’t change right and wrong and certainly doesn’t mean I burdon the entire blame.

No, the amount doesn't matter, and that wasn't the point of the post. What matters is your mistake in gambling with an amount you didn't want to lose, hence this flawed scam accusation.

Perhaps your bias because you can’t imagine yourself ever having, let alone betting 1 Bitcoin so there’s a sense of spite? I’m not sure but that’s what I’m starting to feel based i. Your language and views throughout this discussion.

No, it's not spite or jealousy, or the lack of a decent amount of collected BTC during the years. You can try to turn this into something personal of me against you but it's not going to work. Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose and then come here to say, you know what, I shouldn't have been allowed to gamble in the first place, so I want my money back.

It's your responsibility to adhere to the laws of the territory you reside in. If Australia prohibits online gambling in unlicensed online casinos, you are the one that needs to ensure where you can and can't play regardless of what anyone tells you on the street, online, or via marketing materials. You broke your nations gambling laws.

Here are two points you might find interesting from Cloudbet's T&Cs:

5.2. You have full capacity to enter into a legally binding agreement with us and you are not restricted by any form of limited legal capacity.
5.3. You understand that by using our services you may lose Cryptocurrency on bets placed, poker and casino games and accept that you are fully responsible for any such loss.

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/help/terms

Let me correct you here. It’s both mine and the operators responsibility to abide by the laws of my jurisdiction (this is also included in Cloudbets Curacao license fyi).
They lied that they were legal, licensed and compliant - which ultimately lead to me signing up so although I share responsibility - that argument becomes flawed given I was fooled into a false representation by the operator.

You also called this a “flawed” scam accusation.
The meaning of scam is a dishonest scheme for your own gain. This is not a flawed scam accusation, I’ve submitted enough evidence and screenshots to prove Cloudbets dishonesty. Perhaps the reason you keep challenging is that you havnt grasped the meaning of a scam to begin with.

Also, The terms and conditions you sent becomes invalid when your actively lured into breaking those exact terms you shared by the operator who set them..

This whole scam accusation thread, and the condition you're in, will not exist if you didn't sign up with them on the first place, realizing that you shouldn't be able to play on them legally due to your own self-exclusion. You said that you have no bad intention when you sign up, then can you tell everybody here why did you still signed up although you know there's a restriction against you playing that you set yourself? And, as you stated yourself, you won't complain if you win.

How is that not a bad faith? You read an advertisement, you know you can't play, still play anyway. If you won and managed to withdraw your winning, you won't complain, if you experienced an issue, you'll... well, here we are.

So yeah, this whole scam accusation is flawed, you raise it simply because you lose on the "game" you tried to play them.

[Abzzy]

What is $10 to one person may be 1 Bitcoin to another so once again your logic is flawed as the amount doesn’t change right and wrong and certainly doesn’t mean I burdon the entire blame.

No, the amount doesn't matter, and that wasn't the point of the post. What matters is your mistake in gambling with an amount you didn't want to lose, hence this flawed scam accusation.

Perhaps your bias because you can’t imagine yourself ever having, let alone betting 1 Bitcoin so there’s a sense of spite? I’m not sure but that’s what I’m starting to feel based i. Your language and views throughout this discussion.

No, it's not spite or jealousy, or the lack of a decent amount of collected BTC during the years. You can try to turn this into something personal of me against you but it's not going to work. Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose and then come here to say, you know what, I shouldn't have been allowed to gamble in the first place, so I want my money back.

It's your responsibility to adhere to the laws of the territory you reside in. If Australia prohibits online gambling in unlicensed online casinos, you are the one that needs to ensure where you can and can't play regardless of what anyone tells you on the street, online, or via marketing materials. You broke your nations gambling laws.

Here are two points you might find interesting from Cloudbet's T&Cs:

5.2. You have full capacity to enter into a legally binding agreement with us and you are not restricted by any form of limited legal capacity.
5.3. You understand that by using our services you may lose Cryptocurrency on bets placed, poker and casino games and accept that you are fully responsible for any such loss.

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/help/terms

Let me correct you here. It’s both mine and the operators responsibility to abide by the laws of my jurisdiction (this is also included in Cloudbets Curacao license fyi).
They lied that they were legal, licensed and compliant - which ultimately lead to me signing up so although I share responsibility - that argument becomes flawed given I was fooled into a false representation by the operator.

You also called this a “flawed” scam accusation.
The meaning of scam is a dishonest scheme for your own gain. This is not a flawed scam accusation, I’ve submitted enough evidence and screenshots to prove Cloudbets dishonesty. Perhaps the reason you keep challenging is that you havnt grasped the meaning of a scam to begin with.

Also, The terms and conditions you sent becomes invalid when your actively lured into breaking those exact terms you shared by the operator who set them..

This whole scam accusation thread, and the condition you're in, will not exist if you didn't sign up with them on the first place, realizing that you shouldn't be able to play on them legally due to your own self-exclusion. You said that you have no bad intention when you sign up, then can you tell everybody here why did you still signed up although you know there's a restriction against you playing that you set yourself? And, as you stated yourself, you won't complain if you win.

How is that not a bad faith? You read an advertisement, you know you can't play, still play anyway. If you won and managed to withdraw your winning, you won't complain, if you experienced an issue, you'll... well, here we are.

So yeah, this whole scam accusation is flawed, you raise it simply because you lose on the "game" you tried to play them.

You ask the same questions over and over again.
I answer everything you ask and it’s like it goes through one ear and comes out the other.
I’ve shared certified medical documentation saying that I am permanantly incapacited with mental health problems to the point where I am unable to work or fulfill tasks.

Do not ask me or question me why i signed up again. I am easily fooled and can be taken advantage of and I’ve proven that with medical documentation to LCB moderators.

Worry less about why I signed up, and focus more on why I was lied to by an operator who ultimately scammed me because they were dishonest for financial gain.

If you weren’t getting the support of each other, perhaps you wouldn’t be so hostile towards me in an attempt make me feel stupid and at fault. Your feeding off each other and it’s getting rather annoying.

Your either associated with Cloudbet or your broke and  feel spiteful that someone could “gamble” that much money and it’s effecting your judgement on the matter.

[Lucius]

I’ve shared certified medical documentation saying that I am permanantly incapacited with mental health problems to the point where I am unable to work or fulfill tasks.

Do not ask me or question me why i signed up again. I am easily fooled and can be taken advantage of and I’ve proven that with medical documentation to LCB moderators.
~snip~

If you have such serious health problems that can obviously result in serious financial losses, you should in some way limit access to your money in such a way that you cannot easily be tempted to throw away tens of thousands of dollars. As much as that online casino is to blame because it shouldn't have sent you an e-mail and it shouldn't have targeted users in a country where it doesn't have a license to operate, it's just as much your fault because you registered, made a deposit and gambled, and in the end you lost.

If there is a similar case in which the deposit was returned to another user, then you have to fight through legal means to achieve the same right - and the fact is that none of us can help that to happen.

[Pmalek]

They lied that they were legal, licensed and compliant - which ultimately lead to me signing up so although I share responsibility - that argument becomes flawed given I was fooled into a false representation by the operator.

You said that you self-excluded yourself, meaning you can't gamble on licensed Australian bookies. You also knew that you couldn't pass verification on licensed Australian bookies because of your self-exclusion. Signing up in the first place, shows ulterior motives. 

You also called this a “flawed” scam accusation.
...This is not a flawed scam accusation,

Yes, it is because you weren't scammed. You lost your money gambling. I am not going to get tired of pointing out the difference. There is no scam because the money was lost. You lost the bets you made. If you won and wanted to withdraw but the casino didn't allow it, that's a scam. In your case, it's an example of a person who wants to get back the money they lost gambling.

[Abzzy]

They lied that they were legal, licensed and compliant - which ultimately lead to me signing up so although I share responsibility - that argument becomes flawed given I was fooled into a false representation by the operator.

You said that you self-excluded yourself, meaning you can't gamble on licensed Australian bookies. You also knew that you couldn't pass verification on licensed Australian bookies because of your self-exclusion. Signing up in the first place, shows ulterior motives. 

You also called this a “flawed” scam accusation.
...This is not a flawed scam accusation,

Yes, it is because you weren't scammed. You lost your money gambling. I am not going to get tired of pointing out the difference. There is no scam because the money was lost. You lost the bets you made. If you won and wanted to withdraw but the casino didn't allow it, that's a scam. In your case, it's an example of a person who wants to get back the money they lost gambling.

Then this goes back to you not understanding the meaning of “scam” to begin with lol and I’d be wasting my time replying to you until you pick up a dictionary and know what your even arguing about.

[Abzzy]

I’ve shared certified medical documentation saying that I am permanantly incapacited with mental health problems to the point where I am unable to work or fulfill tasks.

Do not ask me or question me why i signed up again. I am easily fooled and can be taken advantage of and I’ve proven that with medical documentation to LCB moderators.
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If you have such serious health problems that can obviously result in serious financial losses, you should in some way limit access to your money in such a way that you cannot easily be tempted to throw away tens of thousands of dollars. As much as that online casino is to blame because it shouldn't have sent you an e-mail and it shouldn't have targeted users in a country where it doesn't have a license to operate, it's just as much your fault because you registered, made a deposit and gambled, and in the end you lost.

If there is a similar case in which the deposit was returned to another user, then you have to fight through legal means to achieve the same right - and the fact is that none of us can help that to happen.

I understand my part of the responsibility in this matter and I also understand that no one here can help.

I’ve shared my story because there is going to be someone out there thinking of throwing all of their money at Cloudbet, second guessing themselves and hopefully my post deters them from doing that.
I’ve also shared the link with Cloudbet in hopes for them to respond publically, which they chose not to do (which speaks volumes).

I didn’t ask nor do I need users to manipulate this forum post, clearly ignoring all of Cloudbets wrongdoings that I’ve shared and target me as someone who had bad intentions. These users clearly have a chip in their shoulder and based on their hostile language, I’m beginning to think it’s due to them pondering  all that they could have done with that kind of money, but don’t have it.

[Pmalek]

Then this goes back to you not understanding the meaning of “scam” to begin with lol and I’d be wasting my time replying to you until you pick up a dictionary and know what your even arguing about.

You are or you're, not your. Have you ever used a dictionary or seen the inside of a classroom? 

I’ve shared my story because there is going to be someone out there thinking of throwing all of their money at Cloudbet, second guessing themselves and hopefully my post deters them from doing that.

Anyone thinking of gambling anywhere should think twice about it and ensure they are doing the right thing. Checking a casino's reputation and reading its terms and conditions are the first things any player should do.

I’ve also shared the link with Cloudbet in hopes for them to respond publically, which they chose not to do (which speaks volumes).

I see no point in them answering a player who gambled and lost and now wants their money back. A different and valid topic of discussion would be why they are claiming they were a regulated casino in Australia if they weren't.

These users clearly have a chip in their shoulder and based on their hostile language, I’m beginning to think it’s due to them pondering  all that they could have done with that kind of money, but don’t have it.

[Abzzy]

Then this goes back to you not understanding the meaning of “scam” to begin with lol and I’d be wasting my time replying to you until you pick up a dictionary and know what your even arguing about.

You are or you're, not your. Have you ever used a dictionary or seen the inside of a classroom? 

I’ve shared my story because there is going to be someone out there thinking of throwing all of their money at Cloudbet, second guessing themselves and hopefully my post deters them from doing that.

Anyone thinking of gambling anywhere should think twice about it and ensure they are doing the right thing. Checking a casino's reputation and reading its terms and conditions are the first things any player should do.

I’ve also shared the link with Cloudbet in hopes for them to respond publically, which they chose not to do (which speaks volumes).

I see no point in them answering a player who gambled and lost and now wants their money back. A different and valid topic of discussion would be why they are claiming they were a regulated casino in Australia if they weren't.

These users clearly have a chip in their shoulder and based on their hostile language, I’m beginning to think it’s due to them pondering  all that they could have done with that kind of money, but don’t have it.

https://uploads.dailydot.com/2021/07/lokimeme.png?auto=compress&fm=png

Yes, except the terms and conditions can not be trusted and  cloudbet manually changing theirs during my complaint is a great example of that.

Also, that’s exactly what I’ve asked them to comment on, their false claims. Maybe your finally starting to get it