Cloudbet scammed me for 1BTC

[Pmalek]

Yes, except the terms and conditions can not be trusted and  cloudbet manually changing theirs during my complaint is a great example of that.

Also, that’s exactly what I’ve asked them to comment on, their false claims. Maybe your finally starting to get it

The essence of your thread is that you think you got tricked and baited into gambling on Cloudbet, and that you feel that you should get back the money you lost gambling. I don't think you should, and I don't see anyone here saying anything else.

However, if the main points of this discussion were Cloudbet's wrong claims that they are a regulated online casino in Australia, and you could prove that Australians weren't allowed to gamble there at the time you received those marketing emails and signed up, my replies here would be very much different. But a player who bets, losses their bets, and then wants their money back is not something I agree with.   

[holydarkness]

[...] Also, that’s exactly what I’ve asked them to comment on, their false claims. Maybe your finally starting to get it

Umm... Nope, it's pretty clear for anyone following your case from the beginning that you're aiming for a refund, these two snippets of your own words on this thread only, for example,

So why haven't I received my deposited funds back?

Cloudbet ultimately admitted to claims of wrongdoing, however refused to refund deposits.

and then there's this attempt to sue them and using foreign judgement reinforcement to refund you. Were all those simply to deter other user from falling into the same trap? Not an attempt to get them to return your deposit?

This is what Pmalek and I say that your case and cloudbet's jurisdiction case should be two different things. Because if you simply has concern for the community, you'll probably meet with different reactions, what made you get into where you are right now is because you have your own agenda, namely to get a hand in your deposit, funds that you dealt in bad faith.

So, which is it?

[Abzzy]

[...] Also, that’s exactly what I’ve asked them to comment on, their false claims. Maybe your finally starting to get it

Umm... Nope, it's pretty clear for anyone following your case from the beginning that you're aiming for a refund, these two snippets of your own words on this thread only, for example,

So why haven't I received my deposited funds back?

Cloudbet ultimately admitted to claims of wrongdoing, however refused to refund deposits.

and then there's this attempt to sue them and using foreign judgement reinforcement to refund you. Were all those simply to deter other user from falling into the same trap? Not an attempt to get them to return your deposit?

This is what Pmalek and I say that your case and cloudbet's jurisdiction case should be two different things. Because if you simply has concern for the community, you'll probably meet with different reactions, what made you get into where you are right now is because you have your own agenda, namely to get a hand in your deposit, funds that you dealt in bad faith.

So, which is it?

Exactly, if anything your proving my point. I’ve already initiated proceedings in my jurisdiction inseeking a foreign judgement to recoup my funds - so although attaining my money back is on the agenda, it’s  not here on Bitcointalk.

Posting here on bitcointalk is NOT an attempt to get my money back because there is clearly 0 chance of that given the circumstances. Cloudbet was asked to respond here and they didn’t, nor do they reply to emails or respond in any way that I have communicated in the past. That hope was long lost a long time ago. This is a scam accusation publically made about Cloudbets false advertisements, lies told by their live chat support and whilst claiming to be Australian, they swiftly then restricted Australian accounts after my complaint.

I’ve provided evidence for all of my claims and I’ve explained how these lies lead to me depositing and wagering 1BTC. This is exactly what the scam accusation thread is for.

The meaning of scam is a dishonest scheme - which ultimately refers to Cloudbets false representations I’ve outlined for Yous.

The only reason why we’re going around in circles is because you and PMALEK have turned this into a witch hunt and shifted this entire post into an attack on my decisions and gambling mistakes, rather than focusing on the issues I highlighted. This is why I came to the conclusion that your judgement and language has an element of spite towards gambling in itself or the amount of money that was lost.

Yes, except the terms and conditions can not be trusted and  cloudbet manually changing theirs during my complaint is a great example of that.

Also, that’s exactly what I’ve asked them to comment on, their false claims. Maybe your finally starting to get it

The essence of your thread is that you think you got tricked and baited into gambling on Cloudbet, and that you feel that you should get back the money you lost gambling. I don't think you should, and I don't see anyone here saying anything else.

However, if the main points of this discussion were Cloudbet's wrong claims that they are a regulated online casino in Australia, and you could prove that Australians weren't allowed to gamble there at the time you received those marketing emails and signed up, my replies here would be very much different. But a player who bets, losses their bets, and then wants their money back is not something I agree with.  

I did prove that and gave a timeline of all of those things already, so why aren’t your replies any different lmao

[holydarkness]

[...]

The only reason why we’re going around in circles is because you and PMALEK have turned this into a witch hunt and shifted this entire post into an attack on my decisions and gambling mistakes, rather than focusing on the issues I highlighted. This is why I came to the conclusion that your judgement and language has an element of spite towards gambling in itself or the amount of money that was lost.

[...]

Umm... sorry, but... who goes to a witch hunt, again? Let's trace it back.

Your first thread is about how Cloudbet "exploited" your weakness, of which, within your opening post, you argued that they should void your loses since you're betting on prohibited jurisdiction.

And later, you also accuse CasinoGuru, an arbitrator, as a platform that's on Cloudbet's payroll because they're taking referral [of which the purpose had been made clear to you over and over]. The reason behind this? Because CG ruled your complaint as rejected, for the reason that's more or less as described on your previous thread [above] and this thread. Being asked why were you OK with AG to take the same "payroll" [i.e. referral], and was it just because they accepted your negative review so you're ok with that, the thread suddenly not attended anymore.

On your first thread too, I serve my findings of your accusation [from the thread about CG] that there are 70+ cases against Cloudbet, where, 35 out of 36 of it were solved, and the other 1 is inconclusive. I asked you to give the rest so I can take another look and gained better perspective of Cloudbet's situation.

Your answer? None. You didn't address that query at all. Nor that it ever being mentioned again. I guess we can assume it's another straw failed to be grasped.

Instead, you made another thread, this thread, under a reason that there is a development for your case. Though up to this day, I can't see why the need of another thread while you can simply edited the opening post with the development [you edited the first post on that thread earlier, so it's pretty much safe to assume you know how to edit a post].

Now, if your intention is simply and purely to raise an awareness about cloudbet and deter their bad behaviour, IMO, from my perspective, you can also move that topic about 70+ cases [I've told you that I am waiting for the second batch] here too. But no, the topic does not goes any further. Probably because with half of it turns out to be solved, it didn't serve as a good basis for your case, so you leave it.

So, who does a witch hunt, again?

While we're at it, if I may give voice to my opinion, I think your initial attempt is truly to peer pressuring them into paying your lost bet by voiding it, and when the story didn't work as you planned, you changed the narrative, just now, by saying that it's not in your intention at all to ask for the refund and instead, you simply tried to warn them.

But sure, let's put all those behind us, let's address what your heart truly desire. You care about the community from cloudbet's deceptive behaviour? Compile me that list, and see where the forum goes from that.

Just to make it clear, again, I couldn't care less with proving Cloudbet is the right one here, I am not on their payroll, not their staff, not affiliated by them by any degree. This is why I ask you to provide me with the list, to see if they're indeed proven to have bad reputation.

[Pmalek]

I did prove that and gave a timeline of all of those things already, so why aren’t your replies any different lmao

I have already answered this question to some degree. The name of this board is Scam Accusations. A scam needs to happen for there to be a valid scam accusation. A scam did not happen in your case. Your loss of money resulted from wrong betting decisions not from Cloudbet not paying you. There was nothing to pay because the money was lost.

Also the title of your thread is that you were scammed, and I don't see it that way. You have also stated multiple times you want your money back so I don't buy the story about you warning the community. That's way down on your priority list. 

Here is how this thread should have looked.
First of all, it should have been posted under Reputation. You are questioning the operator's reputation and honesty because they gave you the wrong information. There needs to be proof of all that that corresponds with the information posted on Cloudbet's site. I understand it's going to be hard to collect that if they changed their TOS. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. In a court of law, it's about what you can prove, not what you know. I can't remember, but I think you never shared those promotional emails you received from Cloudbet, did you?

If such a thread is created pointing out Cloudbet's dishonestly and not talking about wanting your money back, the responses could be much more positive.   

[Abzzy]

I did prove that and gave a timeline of all of those things already, so why aren’t your replies any different lmao

I have already answered this question to some degree. The name of this board is Scam Accusations. A scam needs to happen for there to be a valid scam accusation. A scam did not happen in your case. Your loss of money resulted from wrong betting decisions not from Cloudbet not paying you. There was nothing to pay because the money was lost.

Also the title of your thread is that you were scammed, and I don't see it that way. You have also stated multiple times you want your money back so I don't buy the story about you warning the community. That's way down on your priority list. 

Here is how this thread should have looked.
First of all, it should have been posted under Reputation. You are questioning the operator's reputation and honesty because they gave you the wrong information. There needs to be proof of all that that corresponds with the information posted on Cloudbet's site. I understand it's going to be hard to collect that if they changed their TOS. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. In a court of law, it's about what you can prove, not what you know. I can't remember, but I think you never shared those promotional emails you received from Cloudbet, did you?

If such a thread is created pointing out Cloudbet's dishonestly and not talking about wanting your money back, the responses could be much more positive.   

I shared the marketing emails, the false content on their website and communication with their online chat representative lying.
I also have evidence of their terms and conditions being changed and this can be proven with the new alert email that Australian accounts were suddenly restricted. Simultaneously this was added to their terms and conditions.
Perhaps you just havnt bothered to dive in and see what I’ve posted, rather you are only interested in isolated parts of this forum post.

I’m not questioning their reputation and whether or not their dishonest. I’ve blatantly proven it time and time again with evidence.
You continue to deny this being a legitimate scam accusation, when the meaning of scam is a “dishonest scheme” in most instances for financial gain. I’m not sure how many more times I have to write out the dictionary meaning before you acknowledge it.

It almost seems like you think a scam means someone putting a gun to another’s head, which just isn’t the case.

[Abzzy]

[...]

The only reason why we’re going around in circles is because you and PMALEK have turned this into a witch hunt and shifted this entire post into an attack on my decisions and gambling mistakes, rather than focusing on the issues I highlighted. This is why I came to the conclusion that your judgement and language has an element of spite towards gambling in itself or the amount of money that was lost.

[...]

Umm... sorry, but... who goes to a witch hunt, again? Let's trace it back.

Your first thread is about how Cloudbet "exploited" your weakness, of which, within your opening post, you argued that they should void your loses since you're betting on prohibited jurisdiction.

And later, you also accuse CasinoGuru, an arbitrator, as a platform that's on Cloudbet's payroll because they're taking referral [of which the purpose had been made clear to you over and over]. The reason behind this? Because CG ruled your complaint as rejected, for the reason that's more or less as described on your previous thread [above] and this thread. Being asked why were you OK with AG to take the same "payroll" [i.e. referral], and was it just because they accepted your negative review so you're ok with that, the thread suddenly not attended anymore.

On your first thread too, I serve my findings of your accusation [from the thread about CG] that there are 70+ cases against Cloudbet, where, 35 out of 36 of it were solved, and the other 1 is inconclusive. I asked you to give the rest so I can take another look and gained better perspective of Cloudbet's situation.

Your answer? None. You didn't address that query at all. Nor that it ever being mentioned again. I guess we can assume it's another straw failed to be grasped.

Instead, you made another thread, this thread, under a reason that there is a development for your case. Though up to this day, I can't see why the need of another thread while you can simply edited the opening post with the development [you edited the first post on that thread earlier, so it's pretty much safe to assume you know how to edit a post].

Now, if your intention is simply and purely to raise an awareness about cloudbet and deter their bad behaviour, IMO, from my perspective, you can also move that topic about 70+ cases [I've told you that I am waiting for the second batch] here too. But no, the topic does not goes any further. Probably because with half of it turns out to be solved, it didn't serve as a good basis for your case, so you leave it.

So, who does a witch hunt, again?

While we're at it, if I may give voice to my opinion, I think your initial attempt is truly to peer pressuring them into paying your lost bet by voiding it, and when the story didn't work as you planned, you changed the narrative, just now, by saying that it's not in your intention at all to ask for the refund and instead, you simply tried to warn them.

But sure, let's put all those behind us, let's address what your heart truly desire. You care about the community from cloudbet's deceptive behaviour? Compile me that list, and see where the forum goes from that.

Just to make it clear, again, I couldn't care less with proving Cloudbet is the right one here, I am not on their payroll, not their staff, not affiliated by them by any degree. This is why I ask you to provide me with the list, to see if they're indeed proven to have bad reputation.

The amount of effort you put whilst simultaneously being ignorant of all  of the facts astonishes me.
It’s come to the point where  Your making more accusations than I am in this thread lmao.
One thing is clear, you don’t like me. Whether or not you support cloudbet, in this particular thread you want them to victor and get away with what they’ve done.

That is clear.

[holydarkness]

The amount of effort you put whilst simultaneously being ignorant of all  of the facts astonishes me.
It’s come to the point where  Your making more accusations than I am in this thread lmao.
One thing is clear, you don’t like me. Whether or not you support cloudbet, in this particular thread you want them to victor and get away with what they’ve done.

That is clear.

You're free to think whatever you like about how I see or feel about you, doesn't change the fact that if your claim is true --that from the start your intention is to warn the community and deter Cloudbet's scammy behaviour instead of for your own agenda-- then you'll gladly provide the rest of that list of 70+ accusation, as it's one of the way to warn gamblers on this forum, and because my feeling about you --whatever you think that is-- doesn't change what fact and evidence provided on those record of cases against Cloudbet. So, I'm waiting.

[Pmalek]

I shared the marketing emails, the false content on their website and communication with their online chat representative lying.
I also have evidence of their terms and conditions being changed and this can be proven with the new alert email that Australian accounts were suddenly restricted. Simultaneously this was added to their terms and conditions.

This should have been the only focus of your thread instead of repeated requests to get your money back if you wanted to warn the community, but it wasn't.

Perhaps you just havnt bothered to dive in and see what I’ve posted, rather you are only interested in isolated parts of this forum post.

I saw what you posted but it was several weeks ago. I took another look now and realized that what I believed was a screenshot taken from their website, is in fact the email you were talking about.

It almost seems like you think a scam means someone putting a gun to another’s head, which just isn’t the case.

I have explained many times what I consider a scam. It doesn't involve not receiving a refund on the money that was lost gambling no matter how many times you are going to repeat it.

[Abzzy]

The amount of effort you put whilst simultaneously being ignorant of all  of the facts astonishes me.
It’s come to the point where  Your making more accusations than I am in this thread lmao.
One thing is clear, you don’t like me. Whether or not you support cloudbet, in this particular thread you want them to victor and get away with what they’ve done.

That is clear.

You're free to think whatever you like about how I see or feel about you, doesn't change the fact that if your claim is true --that from the start your intention is to warn the community and deter Cloudbet's scammy behaviour instead of for your own agenda-- then you'll gladly provide the rest of that list of 70+ accusation, as it's one of the way to warn gamblers on this forum, and because my feeling about you --whatever you think that is-- doesn't change what fact and evidence provided on those record of cases against Cloudbet. So, I'm waiting.

I shared the marketing emails, the false content on their website and communication with their online chat representative lying.
I also have evidence of their terms and conditions being changed and this can be proven with the new alert email that Australian accounts were suddenly restricted. Simultaneously this was added to their terms and conditions.

This should have been the only focus of your thread instead of repeated requests to get your money back if you wanted to warn the community, but it wasn't.

Perhaps you just havnt bothered to dive in and see what I’ve posted, rather you are only interested in isolated parts of this forum post.

I saw what you posted but it was several weeks ago. I took another look now and realized that what I believed was a screenshot taken from their website, is in fact the email you were talking about.

It almost seems like you think a scam means someone putting a gun to another’s head, which just isn’t the case.

I have explained many times what I consider a scam. It doesn't involve not receiving a refund on the money that was lost gambling no matter how many times you are going to repeat it.

One thing is clear: They are aware that I’m in a prohibited jurisdiction, they are aware of my exclusions, my vulnerability and they are aware of my mental health problems now right?
Yet I still receive marketing emails, even after all this.

This is Cloudbet for you and the dodgy company you have decided to back on this matter.
https://imageupload.io/scyvcYBuZrplHky

Now based on your logic, if I were to now again go access my account, deposit funds and place bets - I’d be entirely accountable once again and to have no right to question Cloudbets responsibility on the matter? Despite them doing the wrong things and exploiting my situation, none of that matters right?

Boohoo me, tough luck, I lost - there’s no issue here…. Right? Pathetic.

[Pmalek]

One thing is clear: They are aware that I’m in a prohibited jurisdiction, they are aware of my exclusions, my vulnerability and they are aware of my mental health problems now right?
Yet I still receive marketing emails, even after all this.

This is Cloudbet for you and the dodgy company you have decided to back on this matter.

Marketing emails have an unsubscribe button most of the time, so unsubscribe yourself from such offers. Why you have started receiving such emails and why you still are is something you should know, not anyone else. Me not agreeing with you that you should receive the money you lost back is a completely different issue from what Cloudbet is doing. Both holydarkness and myself have tried to explain it to you.

Now based on your logic, if I were to now again go access my account, deposit funds and place bets - I’d be entirely accountable once again and to have no right to question Cloudbets responsibility on the matter? Despite them doing the wrong things and exploiting my situation, none of that matters right?

Yes, that's correct. If you deposit money on any casino right now and lose it, it's your own fault. Look at me right now not depositing and playing on Cloudbet. Take responsibility for your actions and get your life in order, no one else will do it for you.

[holydarkness]

[...]

This is Cloudbet for you and the dodgy company you have decided to back on this matter.
[...]

If I back them, wouldn't I be, logically, not asking for the other cases against them? Why would I dig the dirts of the entity I back up and air their dirty clothes in public? I'll just let it go the first time I got a chance when you didn't talk about it anymore. Yet, I keep asking for the rest of these scam accusations. Why? Because, as I've said, I couldn't care less with proving cloudbet is the right one here, or, as it turns out, they have a lot of skeleton in their closet. Truth is truth. So? May I ask once again?

[Abzzy]

One thing is clear: They are aware that I’m in a prohibited jurisdiction, they are aware of my exclusions, my vulnerability and they are aware of my mental health problems now right?
Yet I still receive marketing emails, even after all this.

This is Cloudbet for you and the dodgy company you have decided to back on this matter.

Marketing emails have an unsubscribe button most of the time, so unsubscribe yourself from such offers. Why you have started receiving such emails and why you still are is something you should know, not anyone else. Me not agreeing with you that you should receive the money you lost back is a completely different issue from what Cloudbet is doing. Both holydarkness and myself have tried to explain it to you.

Now based on your logic, if I were to now again go access my account, deposit funds and place bets - I’d be entirely accountable once again and to have no right to question Cloudbets responsibility on the matter? Despite them doing the wrong things and exploiting my situation, none of that matters right?

Yes, that's correct. If you deposit money on any casino right now and lose it, it's your own fault. Look at me right now not depositing and playing on Cloudbet. Take responsibility for your actions and get your life in order, no one else will do it for you.

So once again it’s my fault I’m receiving marketing emails now lmao even after everything? Guessing cigarette companies can also walk into primary schools and promote ciggies and it’s the schools fault for not locking the front  gate.
Cloudbet just can’t do anything wrong in your book can they? Sounds like I’m talking to the Cloudbet guys here under an alias or someone who’s definitely in bed with them lol.

Also, take responsibility and get my life in order?
I’ve explained my vulnerability, mental health issues and battles I’m facing and you are now well aware of it prior to your post.
Im permanently psychologically incapacited, I’m being treated by 3 medical practitioners and a psychiatrist for 13 months and you want me to just take responsibility and get my life in order?

Let me guess, that’s my fault too and I shouldn’t have the internet if I’m sick?
I shouldn’t have an email address? I shouldn’t have money?
That’s my fault too?

Your actually disgusting.

You are disgusting and pathetic.

[Pmalek]

So once again it’s my fault I’m receiving marketing emails now lmao even after everything?

You have a very vivid imagination. I didn't say it's your fault for receiving marketing emails. I said it's your fault if you gamble, be it on Cloudbet or any other regulated or non regulated gambling site. Whose fault do you want it to be, mine, God's? 

Cloudbet just can’t do anything wrong in your book can they?

Sure they can, and they probably are. But your decision to gamble or not lies on you, not Cloudbet.

Sounds like I’m talking to the Cloudbet guys here under an alias or someone who’s definitely in bed with them lol.

You have to make up your mind. I was jealous and spiteful of your ability to gamble away 2 Bitcoin a few posts ago, remember? Now, you are saying I am one of them. I am either a jealous c**t or a Cloudbet team member.

I’ve explained my vulnerability, mental health issues and battles I’m facing and you are now well aware of it prior to your post.
Im permanently psychologically incapacited, I’m being treated by 3 medical practitioners and a psychiatrist for 13 months and you want me to just take responsibility and get my life in order?

Sad as that may be, what do you want me to do about it? Anything I do to myself is my fault, and anything you do to yourself is yours.