Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers?

[serveria.com]

At least one username sticks in my mind. The avatar of another username which I already forgot is still in my memory also.

Sometimes, their presence is needed especially when everybody is unreasonably bullish. For as long as they are also bringing with them some logic, or at least some sense, in their arguments, it doesn't hurt the forum to have them in certain discussions. It provides some good balance, although some of them are probably not really naysayers like Proudhon. He/she certainly owns Bitcoin and is pro-Bitcoin. He/she's just chilling.

Yeah, I agree on proudhon, he could be a massive hodler in disguise, making fun of everyone else here. I remember the "Proudhon song" aka "Bitcoin is a bubble". That was hilarious lol. He was trolling both the naysayers and maxis with his crazy predictions.

They're probably a lot better than many influencers who are always mega-bullish in their TAs as if Bitcoin will just take a straight line to the moon. Many newbies must have been carried away by how they present chart patterns as if something big is always about to come. These FOMO-inciters are probably more damaging to Bitcoin's reputation than some naysayers.

I haven't thought about this, interesting opinion. Perhaps you're right. Overly bullish expectations can be harmful too.

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[KingsDen]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

I am not familiar with the usernames you mentioned above, it could be that I was not in the forum when this set of people weee antagonizing Bitcoin. I am not quite surprised that most of these bitcoin haters are no longer in the forum and they are very minimal in the whole internet. This is because bitcoin has proven that he is the indisputable king. They have killed bitcoin with their mouths for many times and bitcoin has resurrected and shamed them all.  I have only seen bitcoin SV criticizing bitcoin and promoting a fork of Bitcoin called bitcoin cash. I did not know about his account again because I have not been seeing him.

As Franky1 has said many people who publicly criticized bitcoin may be holding a lot of Bitcoin in secret, but just to deceive the agencies and other gullible people that they do not own Bitcoin.

[DanWalker]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

Things have changed a lot and it would be surprising if someone said that bitcoin will die and disappear soon these days, I believe it would be mentally unstable people, not normal people. Bitcoin is gradually being accepted in most parts of the world, many governments have accepted bitcoin as a commodity and allowed people to use it. If anyone still spreading bitcoin will die or disappear soon, it will be like they are cursing their government for being stupid and without vision. But I have to admit that even during the terrible bear season of 2022, I don't see anyone talking about the death of bitcoin anymore.

[nutildah]

And ten years from now he will have made himself an even bigger fool to over 20 mill followers.

It kind of reminds me a bit of r/Buttcoin, which has been around since time immemorial... They have made names for themselves by being steadfast in their wrongness. I remember I tried to use a source for a bitcoin article I was writing one time and the editor told me, no, the guy from r/Buttcoin wrote that, he's a total chode, you can't use it.

Some other prominent anti-bitcoiners that were once active on the forum:

jonoiv
NotLambChop
RawDog (most likely a troll account)
MemoryDealers (he started turning to the darkside in early 2016, basically by arguing that Bitcoin Classic - later BCH - was the same thing as Bitcoin)

[Cryptomultiplier]

The naysayers of Bitcoin are those who trade altcoins or shitcoins more than they do BTC, that's if they do own BTC.
BTC has proven to be a valuable asset that can be left for sometime and one would still have gains when sold off. Although the gains may not be as much as altcoins or shitcoins, it is the almost steady nature it possesses that makes it of value.

[serveria.com]

And ten years from now he will have made himself an even bigger fool to over 20 mill followers.

It kind of reminds me a bit of r/Buttcoin, which has been around since time immemorial... They have made names for themselves by being steadfast in their wrongness. I remember I tried to use a source for a bitcoin article I was writing one time and the editor told me, no, the guy from r/Buttcoin wrote that, he's a total chode, you can't use it.

Some other prominent anti-bitcoiners that were once active on the forum:

jonoiv
NotLambChop
RawDog (most likely a troll account)
MemoryDealers (he started turning to the darkside in early 2016, basically by arguing that Bitcoin Classic - later BCH - was the same thing as Bitcoin)

Oh yeah I remember them all (except for the RawDog guy). jonoiv was a real douchebag he appeared during dumps and mocked hodlers. Every single time. I can see his last activity on this forum was back in 2021. I guess he just accepted that Bitcoin is great and it's not going anywhere or just got tired of his own bs and people ignoring this delusional prick.

[Blitzboy]

the halcyon days, correct? back when Bitcoin detractors were as common online as memes. Don't you recall those names? There, my buddy, you have a point. You're taking it all the way back to the days of Roach, Proudhon, and Stolfi. They certainly had a penchant for FUD and Bitcoin drama.

But hey, where are they now? You don't see them much, do you? What's wrong here? Does it mean they've vanished, or perhaps (just possibly) you're not going to the areas they used to haunt these days? Or perhaps their quiet was caused by the skyrocketing price of Bitcoin? Their pessimism may have been disproven by their growing popularity, and they may have faded into the background. Still, the globe is enormous, and the forum is huge. You never know where their next appearance might be.

[cheezcarls]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

[philipma1957]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

I am certain that Proudhon is reading as I type. On topic no one mentions mindrust. He is kind of negative but he is active . He posted today :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176777;sa=showPosts

[tjtonmoy]

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

That's because Bitcoin is not facing any major dumps or there isn't much negative news floating around. Once any of this happens, they will come out of their den and talk BS again. They'll be saying shit like, "Told ya, now see? I was right. Bitcoin was always meant for doom. It is nothing more than just a scam" or other shit like that. They will never come out when Bitcoin is doing great, only when Bitcoin faces some problems, then they will come out like 'Good morning sunshine.'

It is hard to believe that people who are in this forum, know about Bitcoin and still they think that Bitcoin is bullshit. Get a life man. It's all right in front of you. Why is it so hard for you to understand? I don't know why people like this still exist. You are already in Bitcointalk forum yet you are against it. Doesn't make sense.

[Agbe]

When I came first and that should be early last year, there was one naysayer in the forum which was seriously speaking against bitcoin but for some weeks later I didn't see him again and the account was not banned, the guy just disappeared. Well those guys that were speaking against bitcoin have seen the genuineness of bitcoin so they have to retrieve from their malicious, hatred way against bitcoin. And there is a saying that, if you can't beat them, you join them". Probably they have created new accounts to join the League of Bitcoin Nation. When they see that bitcoin is not going to die as they predicted, they have to join it. If they were using their naysayers accounts to make comments we would have seen them but they have giving up because they saying have not base and there fruit in them.

[philipma1957]

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

That's because Bitcoin is not facing any major dumps or there isn't much negative news floating around. Once any of this happens, they will come out of their den and talk BS again. They'll be saying shit like, "Told ya, now see? I was right. Bitcoin was always meant for doom. It is nothing more than just a scam" or other shit like that. They will never come out when Bitcoin is doing great, only when Bitcoin faces some problems, then they will come out like 'Good morning sunshine.'

It is hard to believe that people who are in this forum, know about Bitcoin and still they think that Bitcoin is bullshit. Get a life man. It's all right in front of you. Why is it so hard for you to understand? I don't know why people like this still exist. You are already in Bitcointalk forum yet you are against it. Doesn't make sense.

I think part of the problem is they also realize they are now going against big industry. At the moment there is around 400eh of gear.

That would be 4,000,000 s19 j pros

4 = 400th
40 = 4ph
400 = 40 ph
4000 = 400 ph
40000 = 4eh
400000 = 40eh
4000000 = 400eh

1 unit burns 3 kwatts an hour
4 million burn 12 million kwatts an hour
288mill kwatts a day

28800 mega watts per day is a lot of power and infrastructure . BTC may not be a ticket to the moon but it is not dropping to 0 anytime soon

[CageMabok]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

I've never encountered them in the past or so far, so I don't know them at all. Maybe they are starting to get sick of visiting this forum so they are no longer visible, but it's strange why they want to enter this forum if they are really anti-Bitcoin? If we take the example of someone who hates lions, but he himself is in the lion's cage, then obviously that is very funny. But if they are all still active in creating FUD for Bitcoin, it could be that they have been using other platforms to write that useless stuff until now.

[red4slash]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

I also think so, those who are against bitcoin are still hanging around here and maybe they are disguised and so on, it could be?
But the question is whether they are really against bitcoin specifically, or they are just taking advantage of the situation. We know in the bitcoin space there are still many people who enter but they are hesitant, so it could be that the opponents are just making noise and ultimately creating panic to people who are affected.
Like for example, many governments are against bitcoin, but are we sure among them really no one has bitcoin?

[ajiz138]

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

A group of anti-bitcoins must exist but they don't want to talk much here because it's clear they will be scorned because here is the majority of bitcoin users, even if they have an anti-bitcoin discussion then their arguments will not be strong maybe they will just shut up and see how we prove ourselves with bitcoin.

Or who used to be anti bitcoin has now become a holder because of halving preparations? Hahaha
I don't see that person coming to the forum again with anti bitcoin and spreading FUD, maybe they already know that bitcoin has grown rapidly until now even though there has been a decline since the ATH in 2021.
Maybe they are not doing in this forum but other forum.

[pixie85]

Oh yeah I remember them all (except for the RawDog guy). jonoiv was a real douchebag he appeared during dumps and mocked hodlers. Every single time. I can see his last activity on this forum was back in 2021. I guess he just accepted that Bitcoin is great and it's not going anywhere or just got tired of his own bs and people ignoring this delusional prick.

RawDog used to rant on youtube a lot.
Couldn't find any of his videos now.

I saw him mentioned in another video here and comments say he deleted his channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiPqpE775J4
IMO he had some mental issues.

If you're looking for people with similar mindset, here's one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2860144

[serveria.com]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

I am certain that Proudhon is reading as I type. On topic no one mentions mindrust. He is kind of negative but he is active . He posted today :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176777;sa=showPosts

Yeah, mindrust was epic. But I have to admit the guy was never anti-Bitcoin, he just panic sold all his stash at the bottom. Poor soul. I've read a couple of his posts recently and well, he sounds reasonable, totally makes sense. And he certainly isn't one of the assholes I mentioned above. 

[Ale88]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

This forum, Facebook, Twitter, no matter the platform, usually these people only show up during bear markets to remember others that bitcoin lost, for example, 50% of its value, of course without mentioning that it's still worth way more than 3-4 years ago otherwise they know hat what they are saying makes no sense. Probably many of them missed out big time and now they see other people making money and they can't accept it, so they hope other people will fail just like them.

[icalical]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?   

I imagine there was a very heated discussion back then, that should be fun and interesting actually compared to many spammers all praising Bitcoins with such useless and ridiculous topic. Other than that, I think it's common for any breakthrough and quite radical stuff to have a group of skeptics and even haters especially at the earlier era.

But I guess Bitcoin has proven them wrong and they finally realize that there is no point spreading FUD about Bitcoin anymore, even if they are still here they will be bullied by millions of users in this forum because almost all of the users in here is pro Bitcoin.

[lionheart78]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?   

I imagine there was a very heated discussion back then, that should be fun and interesting actually compared to many spammers all praising Bitcoins with such useless and ridiculous topic. Other than that, I think it's common for any breakthrough and quite radical stuff to have a group of skeptics and even haters especially at the earlier era.

It was quite fun to read topics in those days.  The heated arguments of pros and cons about Bitcoin and giving their own insights which boosted one's understanding about the topic being discusses.  At least it was way better than the current trends of creating fake stories about how they engaged in Bitcoin activity.

But I guess Bitcoin has proven them wrong and they finally realize that there is no point spreading FUD about Bitcoin anymore, even if they are still here they will be bullied by millions of users in this forum because almost all of the users in here is pro Bitcoin.

Well, bitcoin indeed proves them wrong because they might have been actively creating Bitcoin-hate topics if they are right.  The current trend and popularity of Bitcoin put a seal on their keyboard and keep them away from typing their proven wrong thoughts.  But I think once Bitcoin shows some failure, naysayers will start creating topic again.