Before you take sides

[alastantiger]

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

Correct. Today I watched a YouTube video where someone a gambler was teaching his he was with positive ev and gambling and how to use it to their advantage. One of the comments I read said that he used the positive EV strategy and won about 10,000 dollars from the sports betting website after which he was banned. This goes to show that even when a casino bans a player for winning a lot of money it may be that the player used a format to try to cheat the system and was caught therefore the ban. Both side are sometimes not unguiilty.

[Westinhome]

Correct. Today I watched a YouTube video where someone a gambler was teaching his he was with positive ev and gambling and how to use it to their advantage. One of the comments I read said that he used the positive EV strategy and won about 10,000 dollars from the sports betting website after which he was banned. This goes to show that even when a casino bans a player for winning a lot of money it may be that the player used a format to try to cheat the system and was caught therefore the ban. Both side are sometimes not unguiilty.

Their are lot of the YouTube video to teach us about the gambling games.Some YouTuber will play the game in the live to tech the new gamblers,but some of them are doing this for the views and most of them will do this for the paid users of their channel.The paid users will get advantage in such YouTube channel,because the you tuber will get the money from the views and from the channel paid users.This also look like the additional income for the gamblers who engaged in the YouTube.If the gambler are ready to spend time on the YouTube can also earn from the YouTube by participating the game and online teaching in you tube.

[noormcs5]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

If a gambler is playing at reputed gambling sites then there is no way that he will get banned on the site because he is winning large amount of money. I think most of you would have known that there are gamblers at stake.com who win huge amount of money and it is also known to the public. Good and real gaming sites will never ban any gamblers on the winnings and they will let them withdraw what ever they win.

I think gamblers try to find ways and put blame on the gamblings site that they ban them because of the winnings but instead the story is different. Most probably the gamblers may have violated the terms and condition of the casinos like they could have use the VPN , access the gamblin sites from a prohibited location or there can be multiple reasons for the gambler account ban.

Wrongly blaming the gambling sites will not help the gambler cases and the gambling account won't be unbanned so I don't know why the gamblers tell a lie about all this stuff.

[Cookdata]

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

Many gamblers have the experience of getting banned and the next thing that comes to their mind was the injustice from the gambling platform, they wouldn't want to pay attention to the areas where they are also missing out, all the wrong steps they have also taken and the rate of what they have done in violation of their rules, all they will be shouting is for being banned, the casino is scam and they go ahead to report for scam accusation without mentioning their own side at fault.

It's easy for you to cast them but believe me, if you are once in that position, you will react the same because when your money got stuck in a place, to think normal is hard and that's why you see them behave in that manner. The cases I have seen here though is usually personal and I don't know why gamblers do that, I have seen a gambler has problems with my the gambling signature on my profile and when they have problems with them, they troll their announcement thread.

There was this guy that was trolling even the manager, had to call me names for been nice to the Manager for giving me slot, the fun of it is that some reputable guys picked his side, don't know why they did that but it definitely had to do with the company and the teams because even after putting evidence on the forum of what he did which broke their terms and agreement, he didn't stopped. Probably maybe the other two guys that were in support were victims back then and were getting revenge. It's sad though because I will react the same way but there are ways in which things can be settle amicably.

[darkangel11]

Casinos and online casinos already differ, but online casinos and crypto casinos are like a different breed, which is why I often take the side of the gambler in these complaints, as long as the gambler is open about the situation and doesn't try to hide anything.
I've never seen so many cases of casinos trying to deliberately delay payments to players because they suddenly woke up and decided they need to KYC a player that has been playing there for months.
This doesn't happen in fiat casinos and it should already give you something to think about.
Each case is different though, so I hope you won't judge people before you get to know the whole story.

[Slow death]

There are few cases of people who cheated and came to complain on the forum, this is because the first thing that happens when someone comes to complain about a casino on this forum, is that people ask the guy who is complaining to post proof, without proof no one believes the person who is complaining about a casino. Therefore, the number of people who complain about casinos are, most of the time, people who are right, and it is enough to see that in cases of scam accusations against casinos,

Most cases involve new casinos and when I talk about new casinos I am referring to casinos that were created 2 years ago, this is because many of these new casinos have created TOS precisely to serve as weapons to prevent their customers from being able to make withdrawals. It's sad to see people begging for casino support to respond to them, months without the casino resolving their problem and meanwhile the same casino that has many accusations of scam continues to operate normally. I don't understand how some people can have the courage to stay using scam casinos. They leave good casinos like stake and use new casinos that have strange rules and then withhold funds from customers

Over the years that I have been on this forum, there have been few cases in which there has been someone who has accused a casino of cheating, so when you see accusations of scam against a casino, know that the chances of the casino being right are low. , and the chances of the person complaining are very high that he is correct. Unfortunately, this is the scenario we have.

[rahmad2nd]

Correct. Today I watched a YouTube video where someone a gambler was teaching his he was with positive ev and gambling and how to use it to their advantage. One of the comments I read said that he used the positive EV strategy and won about 10,000 dollars from the sports betting website after which he was banned. This goes to show that even when a casino bans a player for winning a lot of money it may be that the player used a format to try to cheat the system and was caught therefore the ban. Both side are sometimes not unguiilty.

Their are lot of the YouTube video to teach us about the gambling games.Some YouTuber will play the game in the live to tech the new gamblers,but some of them are doing this for the views and most of them will do this for the paid users of their channel.The paid users will get advantage in such YouTube channel,because the you tuber will get the money from the views and from the channel paid users.This also look like the additional income for the gamblers who engaged in the YouTube.If the gambler are ready to spend time on the YouTube can also earn from the YouTube by participating the game and online teaching in you tube.

And what you say is true, in fact, to be honest, I am not interested in watching channels of content creators who make gambling videos, tricks, tips, and so on. whether live or regular video, most of the goals are nothing more than what you say. nothing else, most of them only do it to get paid from the audience. moreover, those who provide dirty tricks, and all kinds of things. usually, in reality it is only part of what they have engineered. Even though I don't want to say everything, most of it is like that. with the exception of videos that provide tutorials on the initial stages of how to bet on certain games.
Even so, they also want to get paid from the audience. even though in reality, there is nothing wrong with what they do. The most important thing is not to violate the ToS of the platform they use, let alone violate the law.

As for the violations or abuses committed by some gamblers, as a result of which the casino prohibits them, practices like that are not something strange to hear. by blaming the casino for not paying out their winnings on the pretext of always winning, but usually it is the gamblers who cheat. although this is not the case in every case, because there are also rogue casinos. That's why, choosing a trusted casino that has a high reputation and credibility is a must for our comfort.

[letteredhub]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

Exactly and bigger casinos do not ban people for winning,I know people at Stake who have won huge amounts in a consistent way at some time but that have lost big some other time,the casino knew that and they would be stupid to ban these type of persons.

If you don't break any rule even if you win a million dollar for big,well established and reputable casinos there is not the slightest problem to pay you.So before having strong evidence I agree with you,I usually don't take side with the gamblers who can be disgruntled from a certain treatment that the casino in total fairness have done to him.

so if I understand what you mean supposing the individual comes with the same story about a small casino it should have been an allegation that is said to be true because it concerns a small casino. In this I'll say we're still going circles about the subject if we construct my viewpoint in this way. It is true we have some fraudulent, cheating and non policy abiding gamblers  and as humans we don't like to accept blames in a matter we're in the wrong , there's usually this defensive explanation mechanism in humans.

however if we assume all lodged  cases relating to ban due to too much winnings as a story not to be given attention but to discard it even before it landed then we will in that might as well discard genuinely lodged cases of that nature without knowing. That's is why it's rational to give give attention to them all but not to jump into conclusion immediately until an unbiased investigation is made and the truth discovered. You can call it a fair hearing.

[carlfebz2]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

Exactly and bigger casinos do not ban people for winning,I know people at Stake who have won huge amounts in a consistent way at some time but that have lost big some other time,the casino knew that and they would be stupid to ban these type of persons.

If you don't break any rule even if you win a million dollar for big,well established and reputable casinos there is not the slightest problem to pay you.So before having strong evidence I agree with you,I usually don't take side with the gamblers who can be disgruntled from a certain treatment that the casino in total fairness have done to him.

so if I understand what you mean supposing the individual comes with the same story about a small casino it should have been an allegation that is said to be true because it concerns a small casino. In this I'll say we're still going circles about the subject if we construct my viewpoint in this way. It is true we have some fraudulent, cheating and non policy abiding gamblers  and as humans we don't like to accept blames in a matter we're in the wrong , there's usually this defensive explanation mechanism in humans.

however if we assume all lodged  cases relating to ban due to too much winnings as a story not to be given attention but to discard it even before it landed then we will in that might as well discard genuinely lodged cases of that nature without knowing. That's is why it's rational to give give attention to them all but not to jump into conclusion immediately until an unbiased investigation is made and the truth discovered. You can call it a fair hearing.

A very common human being behavior on which you would really be having that kind of defensive mechanism on the time that you had been losing that much and there's really a time that you would really be throwing those baseless accusations into the public but just like on what we do know that the community wont really be that conclusive or easily to believe on what that certain person is been saying.
Yes, we do know that frustrations and anger could really be leading up with that kind of impulsive words to be thrown around but without sufficient proofs or whatsoever that would really that justify about your
claims then it wont really be taken up seriously and this is always been that the case. Taking sides are most likely to be done on the time that the community do really be able to see that those proofs are solid
and legit.

We've seen tons of issues that had been written into this forum and there's real and most of them are just fake or simply you do able to tell that its reall fake and just for the purpose on
tainting out other competitors business then probabilities is really there which it turns out to be that an ordinary day if there's some complains and negative words
that been thrown out into someone.

[Tuturtinular]

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

To find out who the gambler or casino is actually cheating is not easy. However, I am more convinced that the majority of cases occur because gamblers cheat so that their accounts are suspended or banned. There are many patterns that gamblers can use to cheat, one of which is abusing bonuses, wager, or multiple accounts.

The best way to judge who actually cheated is to present supporting evidence. Maybe that's all we can do to know who is right and who is wrong. The ones who know best what happened are themselves

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Most gamblers who get banned resulting from their misconducts but probably have a history of good wins in serial oder most likely tell the story that they got banned because they won too much and of course as rightly stated by you(OP) the other side of the story which have to do with violation of the set rules and guidelines is kept back so as to gain public attention that they were unjustly banned.

Taking side in or truly believing what an individual says in a scenario like this is the last thing I can ever advise any gambler to do without making proper research or hearing from both parties involved. So I totally agree with you on what you just said, and as such, I will like to put to your notice that gone are those days when people could hope of by-passing casinos, as with the help of technology, its now hard to be able to try to bypass the system without getting caught.

[0t3p0t]

No! I don't usually take sides even in real life situations. There will always be two sides of the story and listening to one side would be a bias one and that where we judge based on what we hear and see. Behind the scenes specifically in gambling makes no different with it. I remember I watched someones vlog on YouTube about someone he is helping recover from gambling addiction that cost his entire wealth to vanish it was more or less $6.2M that's what the guy told him but soon discover that it was all a lie. The said YouTuber gave the liar all his needs and even gave him small capital to start a business but everything was gone after figuring out the truth. This is a good example of this, as we don't really know the truth behind stories so be aware before taking sides.

[ethereumhunter]

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

To find out who the gambler or casino is actually cheating is not easy. However, I am more convinced that the majority of cases occur because gamblers cheat so that their accounts are suspended or banned. There are many patterns that gamblers can use to cheat, one of which is abusing bonuses, wager, or multiple accounts.

The best way to judge who actually cheated is to present supporting evidence. Maybe that's all we can do to know who is right and who is wrong. The ones who know best what happened are themselves

That's what will happen to a gambler who cheats against his casino because the casino knows his business best. Many people may try to cheat, but many of them are caught because of their own cheating and have their accounts frozen by the casino. They can't do anything because the casino must prevent gamblers from cheating against the casino.

And yes, the casino has supporting evidence that shows the gambler cheated. Gamblers certainly won't be able to avoid it if there is evidence of their cheating. But some gamblers insist that they are not cheating and just gambling like everyone else.

[Assface16678]

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

Many gamblers have the experience of getting banned and the next thing that comes to their mind was the injustice from the gambling platform, they wouldn't want to pay attention to the areas where they are also missing out, all the wrong steps they have also taken and the rate of what they have done in violation of their rules, all they will be shouting is for being banned, the casino is scam and they go ahead to report for scam accusation without mentioning their own side at fault.

But licensed casino will never ever do that according to this article Can Casinos Kick You Out for Winning  "In general, the answer is no. Casinos are not allowed to ask patrons to leave simply because they are winning. This is because it is illegal for casinos to discriminate against patrons based on their race, gender, or any other protected class. Additionally, this would be a violation of the patron’s right to due process and would be considered unfair and unethical." It simply state that no matter how much a gambler win he/she cannot be legally kicked out of the casino unless they violate certain rules, the casino that would do that can face charges from the gamblers if found guilty and it will cost them much or worst be closed. So I think getting kicked out in casino because of winning too much is more likely happening less, maybe some there are some cases but I think those casinos are scam.

[knowngunman]

Correct. Today I watched a YouTube video where someone a gambler was teaching his he was with positive ev and gambling and how to use it to their advantage. One of the comments I read said that he used the positive EV strategy and won about 10,000 dollars from the sports betting website after which he was banned. This goes to show that even when a casino bans a player for winning a lot of money it may be that the player used a format to try to cheat the system and was caught therefore the ban. Both side are sometimes not unguiilty.

The gambler who made the comment might be right, but it's also possible that there's more to the story. Although, It's important to always consider both perspectives and not jump to conclusions. If the gambler will be able to share his strategy and explain how he was not trying to cheat and the casino will also share the evidence of his violation of the terms of service, maybe they could come to a more fair resolution. I think in this type of situations, transparency is really important because without transparency, it's hard for either side to feel like they're being treated fairly. And it's especially important for the casino to be transparent, since they're the ones with more power in the situation. Although, some casinos have made it clear that if there is any form of violation, user account can be ban without notice or explanation.

[Negotiation]

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

To find out who the gambler or casino is actually cheating is not easy. However, I am more convinced that the majority of cases occur because gamblers cheat so that their accounts are suspended or banned. There are many patterns that gamblers can use to cheat, one of which is abusing bonuses, wager, or multiple accounts.

The best way to judge who actually cheated is to present supporting evidence. Maybe that's all we can do to know who is right and who is wrong. The ones who know best what happened are themselves

I agree with you its really hard to find out who is cheating because it is not right to blame both sides here the exact story is unknown to many. That's why everyone should proceed by considering the right thing to get rid of fraud. Many times gamblers are rewarded for their ability to solve something by resorting to bad luck when something bad happens to them. Cheating usually involves breaking the law, so as to gain an unfair advantage in competitive situations. No wonder pathological gamblers may lie cheat and even steal to continue feeding their addiction.

[piebeyb]

And yes, the casino has supporting evidence that shows the gambler cheated. Gamblers certainly won't be able to avoid it if there is evidence of their cheating. But some gamblers insist that they are not cheating and just gambling like everyone else.

But there are also casinos that don't want to provide evidence and make it public, usually because of the security of their site and in the end this is also misused by other casinos using the same reasons and in the end people suspect that the casino is cheating too and taking away the user's money, on the one hand also the user Those who cheat must include evidence that they are not cheating and if they only explain without evidence their truth will not be recognized by the community.

That's why I won't side with anyone, either the accuser or the accused, until both of them really provide concrete evidence to reveal to each other which one is actually cheating because we don't always defend the casino because it could be that the casino is cheating too, the point is to provide clear evidence. strong because it is very important to win the case.

[Nwada001]

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

I think I have fallen victim to such before, where the gambler narrated his own side of the story, making things look all good for him. Without doubt, I sided with the gambler, blaming the casino for their actions. This was because I have always kept in mind that casinos are not always friendly to their users when it comes to them winning big.
 
But then again, when I went back to read about the entire case as others have contributed and more details have been uncovered, it appears that the person in question has taken advantage of the casino mistake, which was either an odd mistake or a bug. I can't really recall which member used such an average to win a game first and notice that it works, and then make another huge deposit, which made the last winning alarming and trigger the casino to investigate the issue.
 
Even when we don't have access to the casino data base to confirm the authenticity of the story, it's really important to take things easy and wait for the accused side of the story before drawing conclusions about a matter.

[Hirose UK]

Casinos and online casinos already differ, but online casinos and crypto casinos are like a different breed, which is why I often take the side of the gambler in these complaints, as long as the gambler is open about the situation and doesn't try to hide anything.
I've never seen so many cases of casinos trying to deliberately delay payments to players because they suddenly woke up and decided they need to KYC a player that has been playing there for months.
This doesn't happen in fiat casinos and it should already give you something to think about.
Each case is different though, so I hope you won't judge people before you get to know the whole story.

Online casinos have some differences from crypto casinos but both have different risks of scam.
Online casinos which are predominantly fiat-based are not really clear about their reputation and trust rating making it possible for scams to occur.
Meanwhile crypto casinos also have the same chance of scam occurring but this is only for small or new casinos and for large trusted casinos I think there is only a small percentage of scams occurring.

Some casinos do this on purpose they delay the payment or withdrawal process if large amount is withdrawn because the team will check whether the gambler is cheating or not when they get the big win.
And there are also those who deliberately delay because they don't have enough bankroll to process the withdrawals made and this will result in the account being frozen.
We have to be careful and clever in choosing the casino we will use so that we don't experience problems like that.

It is not that easy to say that such cases do not occur inside Fiat casinos.
There are several cases out there of fiat casinos not paying their customers and as I said above they all have the risk of being scam.

[ethereumhunter]

But there are also casinos that don't want to provide evidence and make it public, usually because of the security of their site and in the end this is also misused by other casinos using the same reasons and in the end people suspect that the casino is cheating too and taking away the user's money, on the one hand also the user Those who cheat must include evidence that they are not cheating and if they only explain without evidence their truth will not be recognized by the community.

That's why I won't side with anyone, either the accuser or the accused, until both of them really provide concrete evidence to reveal to each other which one is actually cheating because we don't always defend the casino because it could be that the casino is cheating too, the point is to provide clear evidence. strong because it is very important to win the case.

The evidence here clarifies who is cheating and who is honest so that the public can judge it. But often, the users are at fault and cannot show evidence but only accuse the casino of cheating. But when the casino representative comes and explains everything, including showing the evidence in the casino and being able to give reasons why the gambler cheated, the gambler usually can't say anything else because he can't show the evidence as the casino does.

We do not take sides with anyone and are neutral if we encounter such cases. We may only have an opinion based on the evidence provided by the casino or gambler; from that evidence we can see who is cheating. However, honest gamblers and honest casinos will not cheat because they respect each other. But there are dishonest gamblers and shady casinos and this is what we must avoid so that we do not suffer losses.