Craig "Faketoshi" Wright saga continues. His team turns against him.

[apogio]

Exactly, also it is not just about seeking recognition. Even if Satoshi were to reveal his true identity he would never do it like this. For example why would Satoshi even sue bitcoin.org owner for hosting the whitepaper that he released under MIT license for free and in public?! The scammer has poked, harassed and sued a lot of people involved in bitcoin like bitcoin core developers too. That's not something the real Satoshi would do. Heck that's not even something a normal person would do

Hahah now that you mention it, I sincerely find it difficult to believe that people believe he is satoshi. I am convinced that we will never know who satoshi was. I believe it was a pseudocharacter created by a bunch of cypherpunks that were dedicated in developing bitcoin and had arranged in advance that they will never say it. In fact, there is no need to know.

A technical question I always had was whether it would be possible (if satoshi was a group of people) that they all need to sign. And it is not only one person who need to sign to prove he is satoshi.

[o_e_l_e_o]

The question is, if he really was satoshi, why would he create such a bad image around him. I mean why make everyone believe he is a scammer?

As pooya says, everything CSW has ever said or done is at complete odds with the knowledge and ethos that Satoshi expressed via their emails, mailing list posts, and forum posts.

Here's a great example of some of CSW's stupidest moments, where he has outright contradicted things Satoshi has written: https://nitter.cz/Arthur_van_Pelt/status/1587117094130356232

A technical question I always had was whether it would be possible (if satoshi was a group of people) that they all need to sign. And it is not only one person who need to sign to prove he is satoshi.

The coinbase transaction of the genesis block and all Satoshi linked blocks pay to a single public key, so whoever owns that private key would be able to sign a message as "Satoshi". So unless a group of people had set up a system where they each hold a set of partial private keys which need to be combined in a trustless manner to form the final private key (which I think is highly unlikely), then only a single person is needed to sign.

[OgNasty]

The only thing I don’t really understand about this development is why now? Everyone has been aware of the fake evidence used by Craig Wright for years now. Literally everyone has known he was a fraud. So why now is everyone positioning themselves against him. Were they just pretending to go along with the scam to get a paycheck?

[Hamza2424]

I thought this might be over, but it seems not. These cases will continue until the community stops paying attention to these idiots. After exposing their leader, I don't think the community cares about them anymore. They were liars, and they admitted it, but they're still liars.

Simply put, why did Satoshi choose privacy if he wanted to make a comeback later? These fake Satoshis don't even have common sense. I would advise CSW to go for a rest, it really not his ground, can he spell Bitcoin  .

[pawel7777]

The only thing I don’t really understand about this development is why now? Everyone has been aware of the fake evidence used by Craig Wright for years now. Literally everyone has known he was a fraud. So why now is everyone positioning themselves against him. Were they just pretending to go along with the scam to get a paycheck?

It's not like "everyone" turned against him recently, most have done it long time ago, and the recent events is just his scammy group falling apart.

I thought this might be over, but it seems not. These cases will continue until the community stops paying attention to these idiots.

Not everything revolves about public image and not all problems go away if you just stop paying attention. There were a lot of people that he dragged through courts (or threaten to) and that's not a kind of problem you can just ignore when that happens to you.

[Hamza2424]

Not everything revolves about public image and not all problems go away if you just stop paying attention. There were a lot of people that he dragged through courts (or threaten to) and that's not a kind of problem you can just ignore when that happens to you.

Hmm, yes dear I'm a little bit aware of what he did as NotATether created a topic a couple of days ago, Bitcoin.org indefinitely forbidden from serving whitepaper and client to UK At that time I did a background search on him because I've heard of his name a couple of times in the ruling. After that, I came to know how freaking stupid he is and what the shit he's bringing constantly.

Hmm, well for his karma I think, he'll definitely pay for the credibility already paying but seems like it has not affected him sooner or later he'll find himself in a quagmire. What he's expecting (a clean paycheck) defiantly impossible.

[serveria.com]

No idea if anyone is still interested in the adventures of our good friend, Dr Craig Wright, who, for those who got into Bitcoin recently, claims to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto, but I'm glad to hear that his biggest backer, Calvin Ayre, finally lost a fate and is turning his back on him.
Hopefully this will indicate the end of Wright's strange endeavors. Many found him a good laughing stock, but he did cause a lot of troubles to many individuals, including some Bitcoin developers, with his nonsensical lawsuits.

More on the story:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/10/02/shocking-leak-blows-up-mystery-of-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto/

https://twitter.com/agerhanssen/status/1708628458404708850

Wasn't Calvin Ayre one of the persons behind BSV? In all this story I only regret I can't find such a gullible billionaire who would sponsor me! I'd tell him that I'm Jesus and I'll solve his aging issue. Interesting, would he buy that? 

I guess it would be pretty hard to find anyone here on this forum (let alone a billionaire) who would believe that Craig Wright is Satoshi. 

[Sophokles]

Exactly, also it is not just about seeking recognition. Even if Satoshi were to reveal his true identity he would never do it like this. For example why would Satoshi even sue bitcoin.org owner for hosting the whitepaper that he released under MIT license for free and in public?! The scammer has poked, harassed and sued a lot of people involved in bitcoin like bitcoin core developers too. That's not something the real Satoshi would do. Heck that's not even something a normal person would do

Hahah now that you mention it, I sincerely find it difficult to believe that people believe he is satoshi. I am convinced that we will never know who satoshi was. I believe it was a pseudocharacter created by a bunch of cypherpunks that were dedicated in developing bitcoin and had arranged in advance that they will never say it. In fact, there is no need to know.

A technical question I always had was whether it would be possible (if satoshi was a group of people) that they all need to sign. And it is not only one person who need to sign to prove he is satoshi.

Is there any fanbase for Satoshi? Many people can like him because of his innovation but most of the bitcoin holder doesn't care much. What these fake satoshi want is media attention. I like your idea about Satoshi existence. We know satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin network but there can be a group of people who have created the whole thing. At this point, I think it should be kept a secret.

[BlackHatCoiner]

The only thing I don’t really understand about this development is why now?

Probably because of the legal concerns. I was completely ignoring all this clown show, while it did concern me that a few people were really taking him seriously all along, but when I heard he was going to sue Bitcoin developers and saw established people like Maxwell posting wall writeups, I felt he deserves more than ignorance. Fortunately he lost the case, but it is absolutely ridiculous and concerning that in UK, for example, this mentally ill person succeeded on removing the Bitcoin whitepaper from bitcoin.org.

True Bitcoiners know we are all Satoshi (except that scumbag).

[darkangel11]

Great news. You can only be a liar for so long.
I mean, let's be honest here. If your friend, who you really like, told you that he's the best chess player in the world, you'd want to see him play, right?
Time and time again you and all your friends would ask him to play with you but he'd always decline, hiding behind stupid excuses, like he's hungry, or has to clean the bathroom, or has a headache... You'd eventually know he's bullshitting you. That's Craig in a nutshell.

He can't even prove that he was around, doing something in the bitcoin network in 2010. How can he be Satoshi if he wasn't even around when White Paper was published?
He's so full of shit he shouldn't be given any time and attention.

[apogio]

Is there any fanbase for Satoshi? Many people can like him because of his innovation but most of the bitcoin holder doesn't care much. What these fake satoshi want is media attention. I like your idea about Satoshi existence. We know satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin network but there can be a group of people who have created the whole thing. At this point, I think it should be kept a secret.

Yes. Personally  I will gain nothing at all if I learn who satoshi is. I assume bitcoin is not going to be benefited from such revelation. Bitcoin is a commodity as I said. It is not a security. There is no CEO here

[Sophokles]

Is there any fanbase for Satoshi? Many people can like him because of his innovation but most of the bitcoin holder doesn't care much. What these fake satoshi want is media attention. I like your idea about Satoshi existence. We know satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin network but there can be a group of people who have created the whole thing. At this point, I think it should be kept a secret.

Yes. Personally  I will gain nothing at all if I learn who satoshi is. I assume bitcoin is not going to be benefited from such revelation. Bitcoin is a commodity as I said. It is not a security. There is no CEO here

I agree with your statement that there is no CEO for bitcoin. If Satoshi comes forward suddenly it will lead to increased scrutiny. The government can put charges against him to lock him up for their own agenda. I don't think Satoshi has any interest in revealing his identity if he is still alive. If he had, he would have done that long ago to sell his bitcoin holdings or do something with them.

[The Cryptovator]

This isn't shocking news to me since I never believed him. He proved himself as Faketoshi numerous times. He just tried to be a famous and public figure by claiming to be a Bitcoin creator. It's just one more time he proves to be Faketoshi. He is kind of mental since he constantly claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto. I don't want to waste my time reading his history.

[BigBos]

In the end everything will remain the same where Faketoshi will still be Faketoshi who will only be regarded as a joke with his bragging that he is Satoshi, As for those whose eyes have been opened because they are no longer on Craig's side it will not change anything because after all they have supported from the beginning but when they are now on the opposite side then it is good but trust in them is clearly still very lacking because in the end some of the people who left will definitely still be remembered as former people who believed in Faketoshi and supported as a form of manipulation in order to gain personal benefits.

[goldkingcoiner]

No idea if anyone is still interested in the adventures of our good friend, Dr Craig Wright, who, for those who got into Bitcoin recently, claims to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto, but I'm glad to hear that his biggest backer, Calvin Ayre, finally lost a fate and is turning his back on him.
Hopefully this will indicate the end of Wright's strange endeavors. Many found him a good laughing stock, but he did cause a lot of troubles to many individuals, including some Bitcoin developers, with his nonsensical lawsuits.

More on the story:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/10/02/shocking-leak-blows-up-mystery-of-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto/

https://twitter.com/agerhanssen/status/1708628458404708850

I used to be completely outraged by this faketoshis actions. But slowly I am realizing that he is only a mentally ill guy and instead of getting help, we are fueling his delusions. He is a clown that the entire world is laughing at. He needs to be locked up in a mental health facility and treated. He is either doing this for the attention or he truly believes his own lies.

Either way, I think its a symptom of some kind of neurological or psychological problem. We should stop giving him so much attention.

[icalical]

Actually I have never heard of the name before someone made a thread about fake Satoshi's tweet few days ago, then I dig more about him and to be honest he wasn't so good to do his fraud, lol.
Even some people who aren't really following crypto community (people who only knows Bitcoin) most of them do not believe that Craig is Satoshi, and I think no one on this forum will believe him. Previously his CEO even callout on him being a fraud,
https://www.theblock.co/post/253741/nchain-ceo-departs-asserts-craig-wright-is-not-satoshi

[o_e_l_e_o]

These cases will continue until the community stops paying attention to these idiots.

We should stop giving him so much attention.

That's not how it works. If we all ignore him en masse, then he can run more and more bullshit lawsuits. These lawsuits can do things like prevent certain websites from hosting the whitepaper or letting users download Bitcoin Core, which isn't exactly great for the community. And even if he loses these lawsuits, they can be financially devastating for the other party, which at the moment include a whole host of Bitcoin Core devs. We don't want people to be scared to contribute to Bitcoin for fear of being sued by a scammer.

Rather than ignore him, we need to be loud and vocal in showing the world just how much of a fraud he is, and supporting those who are fighting him in court.

Looks like CSW is doubling down with his usual bullshit:
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710026384326734324#m
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710031786145669512#m

Also, it hasn't exactly taken long for this most recent forgery to be exposed: https://nitter.cz/Arthur_van_Pelt/status/1710144384899932574#m 

[apogio]

That's not how it works. If we all ignore him en masse, then he can run more and more bullshit lawsuits. These lawsuits can do things like prevent certain websites from hosting the whitepaper or letting users download Bitcoin Core, which isn't exactly great for the community. And even if he loses these lawsuits, they can be financially devastating for the other party, which at the moment include a whole host of Bitcoin Core devs. We don't want people to be scared to contribute to Bitcoin for fear of being sued by a scammer.

Rather than ignore him, we need to be loud and vocal in showing the world just how much of a fraud he is, and supporting those who are fighting him in court.

Which court are you referring to? I mean, I don't know the specific legislation in the countries where he went to court against the Devs. It is clearly different and of course the legal expenses are different.

Let me say something though to add to your context. Being loud against him is obvious. What we could also do, is to keep developing new software on Bitcoin. Perhaps not Bitcoin core, but the area still needs lot of development. Especially in regards to the Lightning Network.

Finally, I can't really see how any court could make him win a case against the Devs, without him being able to prove he is who he says he is. So it all comes down to the ability of the Devs to cover legal expenses in a never ending case.

[gmaxwell]

Either way, I think its a symptom of some kind of neurological or psychological problem. We should stop giving him so much attention.

The Bitcoin community essentially ignored him from half way through 2016 until 2018.  In the darkness he was able to assemble a scamming crew of well over a hundred people, including a marketing firm, a media company, acquired an altcoin factory, and the services of four law firms on different continents.  I've heard credible estimates of around 300 people working in service of the greater scheme there, not including the attorneys.  His representatives are lobbying governments all over the world, meeting with state and federal congress people in the US.

From this position they've launched numerous harassment lawsuits, making much of the media either afraid to cover him at all or do so with washy washy language that furthers the impression that his claims are at least credible when they're actually anything but.  The sheer numbers and the lack of normie accessible contradicting information makes it easier to pull others on to enable him.  Because of this most of the OG bitcoin developers have been saddled by this clowns lawsuits for years.

Ignoring him didn't create the problem but it let it grow much worse, so now there are numerous people stuck working full time holding back his attacks in court, attacks that simply can't be ignored.

without him being able to prove he is who he says he is.

His first lawsuit against varrious Bitcoin devs doesn't even depend on his claim to be Satoshi.  He's suing us to force us to publish (and somehow make effective) backdoored bitcoin code to grant him control of 111k BTC that he claims to have purchased long ago, but pretty obviously never owned (the 1feex and the 12ib7 coins).

So it all comes down to the ability of the Devs to cover legal expenses in a never ending case.

No, it doesn't.  That's certainly a major factor, but the litigation is a major imposition even when the costs is covered (and ours are, for the time being at least, thanks to the Bitcoin legal defense fund).  It takes up time and attention, and even in the strongest and best run case there is a chance of losing because courts are far from infallible.  Along the way your privacy is invaded, your schedule constrained.  So why would anyone want to work on Bitcoin when there is a serious risk of this?  There are plenty of other things to do out there.  Funding the legal costs is just table stakes that prevent an immediate loss.

Because the other costs can't easily be solved by money this can't really be continued forever, something has to get him to stop.  Key to that is getting off the position where lots of the public (including the professionals working in the law) are left with a false impression that his claims are at least credible as a result of his successful censorship in the media via chilling effects.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Which court are you referring to?

Most of CSW's bullshit lawsuits so far have been in the UK. The big case moving through the UK courts at the moment which involves several bitcoin devs is the case of COPA v CSW.

Finally, I can't really see how any court could make him win a case against the Devs, without him being able to prove he is who he says he is. So it all comes down to the ability of the Devs to cover legal expenses in a never ending case.

Exactly my point. He doesn't need to win. Holdonaut's legal defense cost over $2 million, even though he won the case. Hodlonaut is/was a teacher, who had nowhere near that kind of money. Cobra has been served with a bill of $640,000 despite not even mounting a defense. And these were relatively short and straightforward trials. The COPA trail referenced above has been going on for years, will be going on for several more years, and involves a lot more time, effort, money, paperwork, stress, etc, for all involved than his other sham lawsuits, even if he eventually loses.