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October 03, 2023, 10:09:35 PM
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I tried to trade without any analysis, relying only on luck, I was flipping a coin for each trade I entered.
During a three day period, I initiated three trades per day, each with a small profit target and a stop-loss order. Surprisingly, these results outperformed the trades I made based on speculation and trend analysis.
it is important to note that the long term outcome remains uncertain.
I considered this experiment a success mainly due to the fact that I was trading on a demo account with no emotional involvement, and the trades automatically closed when they reached their stop loss levels, and I did not make impulsive decisions to alter the stop loss orders.
In real trading scenarios, emotional factors, such as adjusting stop-loss levels and increasing leverage, often lead to losses.
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October 03, 2023, 10:20:07 PM
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Trading may be similar to gambling in some ways but the two are different from each other and I can tell you that while gambling is based on luck,  trading on the other hand is based on skills because in trading,  it is the skills of the trader that determine his total profits since he will be trading against other traders who are humans like him.

Unlike in gambling where it will be the gambler against the house and already there is a set house edge that places the interest of the casino against that of the gamblers and that has resulted in several house advantages against the gambler.
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October 03, 2023, 10:47:08 PM
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With your random decision which you considered based on luck might work in short-term trading but it doesn't mean that this is a sustainable long-term strategy.  Which is in the long run, trading success is typically based on skill, strategy, and analysis rather than luck.

That's why traders use different strategies in trading and behind those strategies they don't forget to have stop-loss orders to minimize losses.
So if you are trading for the purpose of a short-term period, it doesn't guarantee success over an extended period or let's say long term.  If you luck knowledge, go for long-term trading and do DCA way.

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October 03, 2023, 10:57:10 PM
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I tried to trade without any analysis, relying only on luck, I was flipping a coin for each trade I entered.
During a three day period, I initiated three trades per day, each with a small profit target and a stop-loss order. Surprisingly, these results outperformed the trades I made based on speculation and trend analysis.
it is important to note that the long term outcome remains uncertain.
I considered this experiment a success mainly due to the fact that I was trading on a demo account with no emotional involvement, and the trades automatically closed when they reached their stop loss levels, and I did not make impulsive decisions to alter the stop loss orders.
In real trading scenarios, emotional factors, such as adjusting stop-loss levels and increasing leverage, often lead to losses.

If that's work for you, then just continue. But still I don't want to rely on purely luck when it comes on trading.

Maybe you have a good winning percentage for now but time will come when relying on luck might instead give you a sudden loss and continuous losing streak. Maybe just try to make it balance, still relying on your luck while at the same time, still applying your trading analysis.

I don't consider your experiment as a success. From what I read, you only based on 3 days period. Tried to make it monthly.
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October 03, 2023, 11:10:53 PM
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This will make the difference if you trade with actual money. Demos are easy and it seems that whoever made them will really make you close to winning.
And that's encouraging because you think that you're ready for the actual trade and that's fine as long as you're just going to do with enough money and fine to lose it.
With that strategy you've just made, it's really all about luck and if it seems that the result is way better than with analysis, maybe that's how it goes for you but it won't be at most times.


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October 03, 2023, 11:24:26 PM
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I tried to trade without any analysis, relying only on luck, I was flipping a coin for each trade I entered.
During three days, I initiated three trades per day, each with a small profit target and a stop-loss order. Surprisingly, these results outperformed the trades I made based on speculation and trend analysis.
it is important to note that the long-term outcome remains uncertain.
I considered this experiment a success mainly because I was trading on a demo account with no emotional involvement, and the trades automatically closed when they reached their stop loss levels, and I did not make impulsive decisions to alter the stop loss orders.
In real trading scenarios, emotional factors, such as adjusting stop-loss levels and increasing leverage, often lead to losses.
I don't agree with you on this Op, three days of a trading experiment is not enough time on a live to base your conclusion let alone your trading experiment was done using a Demo account, And as a trader, I'm telling you that you experience with Demo account will always differ with your experience when it comes to trading the live account, and you shouldn't base your conclusion with findings on Demo and it should be time-proven, and also try to further your experiment on a real or live account.

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October 03, 2023, 11:46:28 PM
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wanna outline that the no emotional involvement really has a lot to do with your good trades, had you used real money here in this case, you will be emotionally attached its undeniable fact even if you say otherwise.
using real hard earned money will always make us sentimental.
therefore you should also try with real money if you want more credible experiment here in this regard.

I personally also always wonder why many also doing well in demos account, most of the newbies that trying demos account always came up having series of good trade decision but when it comes with real money. things changed pretty quickly, many are just outright losing, i guess fear of losing money is a thing and it influence a lot.

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October 03, 2023, 11:52:09 PM
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I considered this experiment a success mainly due to the fact that I was trading on a demo account with no emotional involvement, and the trades automatically closed when they reached their stop loss levels, and I did not make impulsive decisions to alter the stop loss orders.

But it's mainly — like you said, because of luck. Congratulations on being successful in these 3 days, but yea we all know that it'll be totally unreliable if anyone does it longer.

But yea, people should be trading using plans; not impulsively making decisions along the way. (Though making decisions off new information definitely ain't bad as well.)

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October 04, 2023, 12:09:55 AM
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Bro, you are purely gambling, and this relies solely on your luck and whatever spirit associated with the coin you were flipping.

This is why I tell people that they could trade or gamble in the market, it depends on them. It seems easy for you to say since we have two options in trading, either we buy or we sell, but how we choose these options defines whether we trade or gamble, and in your own case, you don't need further explanation that you gambled. I've done this before, yet I admit to myself that I gambled, unlike you.

However, luck can't be entirely erased from trading according to my experience, but you need more professionalism to succeed in it.

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October 04, 2023, 12:34:45 AM
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Your experiment is quite similar to the monkey-based experiment done by Buffet which is quite popular (IIRC). Basically, he based his trading on where his monkey shot a dart on a wall. But this experiment is quite flawed imo since the sample is just too small. CMIIW.

You can argue that it shows how managing or even removing your emotions can help you make more profits, but it doesn't mean you should flip a coin every time you trade without doing any analysis.

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October 04, 2023, 01:21:08 AM
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I tried to trade without any analysis, relying only on luck, I was flipping a coin for each trade I entered.
If you consider trading is like gambling, depends on luckiness, you should never start your trading or if you are trading, stop it now.

Trading is risky, more risky than investing and before you trade, you must learn many things about the market, fundamentals to technical things and you must be experienced in this market as an investor first.

When you are experienced enough in this market, you can understand it and can start trading because after understanding it, you can have better ability to control your emotion, psychology in this volatile market. Better control will help you to reduce your fomo, panic and bad decisions. Technical indicators can not help you if you have weak and unstable psychology and always let your fomo, panic controls your orders.

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October 04, 2023, 01:27:14 AM
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I don't see it as good for the long term, it is clearly said to be gambling.
I don't know also your basis on this is purely based on luck trading, like you have time on the day to open/close the trade? Or just a random time and just hit the open trade position button?

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October 04, 2023, 02:21:25 AM
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Not totally agree with trading purely based on luck because need make research, waiting moment for investing until another technical needed when investing or trading in cryptocurrency.  Possibilities with gambling about purely based on luck because we have two choose only such us high or low and there are not technical or knowledge needed depend on purely luck or not. Faced difference thing between trading with real or demo account, have an easily way to earn much profit trough demo account trading but you can apply based on your lucky when trading with real account.
Trading is not purely based on luck but how smart when researching and make analyze, before start trading we have knowledge and not prefer based on luck with trading exactly in cryptocurrency.

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October 04, 2023, 03:33:23 AM
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If you trade on a demo account, your success rate can be higher. But when you trade on a real account, you may get different or higher results because it is a real market and you are using real money to trade.

Maybe you can profit from lucky results but it will only work for a while because market situations will change. And without analysis, you could find it difficult to find coins to trade with. You can try what you do on a demo account by implementing strategies and methods to see how high the success rate is.

However, trading requires analyzing market conditions and finding the coins. That is something every trader needs to have so they can make a profit. And if there are still traders who trade without analysis, they will find it difficult to make a profit. And it's almost the same as gambling.

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October 04, 2023, 03:51:43 AM
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I think there was a popular YouTube streamer that did something similar. He would basically flip a coin and go long a big $100K or $1M position just by the coin flip. Heads was long and tails was short.

And he actually made money. I can’t remember his nickname but I remember he traded in Bybit mostly. And he had tons of followers.


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October 04, 2023, 04:06:47 AM
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There's a bias in your experiment though, you were just lucky that your coin flips lead you to good trades and you got a profit but that doesn't mean that your experiment translates to a real thing for other traders besides, it's not worth trying to do it long-term or even just for the heck of it because you end up not having any control in your actions which for me isn't really a healthy thing as an individual to do.
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October 04, 2023, 04:53:16 AM
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I tried to trade without any analysis, relying only on luck, I was flipping a coin for each trade I entered.
During a three day period, I initiated three trades per day, each with a small profit target and a stop-loss order. Surprisingly, these results outperformed the trades I made based on speculation and trend analysis.
it is important to note that the long term outcome remains uncertain.
I considered this experiment a success mainly due to the fact that I was trading on a demo account with no emotional involvement, and the trades automatically closed when they reached their stop loss levels, and I did not make impulsive decisions to alter the stop loss orders.
In real trading scenarios, emotional factors, such as adjusting stop-loss levels and increasing leverage, often lead to losses.



Luck can play a factor in your trading, but I don't think that you can trade purely based on luck.
And trading relying on luck cannot be applied especially if you have long term goals. Maybe you can do it if you're trying to generate quick gains so basically it is only for the short term. But again, this is still not advisable as it can negatively affect your trading habits. Thus, it is still better that you trade responsibly by applying analysis and strategies for better outcomes. Then again, we all have different strategies and takes about trading, if it works for you doesn't mean it will work for others, or vice versa.

Lastly, we all know that trading is a risk that we take, and relying on luck would make it riskier.



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October 04, 2023, 05:29:32 AM
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Trading does not depend solely on luck. If the trading was random, the probability of achieving a profit would be 50% and the probability of a loss would be 50% in the ideal case, and it decreases due to feelings, fear and greed. Therefore, the probability of achieving a profit from the trader will be less than 50%, and therefore in trading you lose more than you win, which is mistake.
Trading is based on some simple rules and the basics of technical analysis, which are not 100% accurate, but they have a good amount of validity, especially in the long term, and this amount decreases the shorter the term, but in the end, it is not random or dependent on coincidence. This is what makes someone rely on coincidence. He who has the information loses and makes profits, but he will not always make profits because some predictions will be wrong.

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October 04, 2023, 07:13:57 AM
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I tried to trade without any analysis, relying only on luck, I was flipping a coin for each trade I entered.
During a three day period, I initiated three trades per day, each with a small profit target and a stop-loss order. Surprisingly, these results outperformed the trades I made based on speculation and trend analysis.
it is important to note that the long term outcome remains uncertain.
I considered this experiment a success mainly due to the fact that I was trading on a demo account with no emotional involvement, and the trades automatically closed when they reached their stop loss levels, and I did not make impulsive decisions to alter the stop loss orders.
In real trading scenarios, emotional factors, such as adjusting stop-loss levels and increasing leverage, often lead to losses.

Your analysis didn't work because you don't know how to use it, there are no other ways to make money from trading apart from analysing the market, you can't blindly open a pair of trades and decide to put in some money and expect some moves. However, I understand your position, the bitcoin market doesn't have speculation right now, the market is even stagnant, the whales are trying to increase their longs but it keeps rejecting at $28k, I believe that was where you traded and made some profits, you should have tried trade trading 2 days ago prior before resistance and you will understand the difference between luck and technical analysis.

The only time the mind works on trading is when you are uncertain about the outcome of technical, if fundamental>>>Technical, you don't need any tools to indicate any signals. Even in bull run, this things happens, you don't need anyone to give you indicator that the bitcoin market is going to pump because everyone knows it will happen, similarly to bear market, you can't stop market from nuking if there should be a very bad news.

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October 04, 2023, 08:06:59 AM
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Fools do business depending on luck. How many people can you show who have succeeded in trading by relying on luck? I am trying to explain something to you easily. 
Suppose your house caught fire in front of you, if you don't call the fire service if you see the fire, if you think that fate will happen, will your house be saved from fire? You must call the fire service to extinguish the fire. Luck doesn't matter here but it depends on how much effort you put into it. 

If you have no idea about a particular business but if you fall into that business you do not understand the process of doing business then how will you profit from that business. If all things were so simple then people would not have acquired such great degrees in business. 
So stop relying on luck, learn to create luck.
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