The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread

[passwordnow]

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many.

That's okay bro if you're having a hard time keeping up. What you can do is just enjoy your coming back and tune out the actions that will happen on this TI. And now that you've mentioned TI 3, a lot of flashbacks just happened and yeah that you're still that far to keep up with the recent changes but that's okay. As long as you know Dota 2, you've played it, you've watched it before, and there's nothing hard for you to keep up with the changes and updates. From the past years, there have been a lot of retirees already but we still have the best oldies that are still in the competitive scene and playing until now.

Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

That's the first time in history and everybody is sad that he didn't make it. But that's fine as he has achieved a lot already and hopefully that this isn't a sign that Puppey will get that opinion from the community that he should retire or transition from being a position 5 player into a coach.

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[Lanatsa]

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.


Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
Now that some players does have those new faces but pretty sure that you would really be still enjoying on watching out Dota match ups.
Just like the rest been saying that in todays International prize pool which it is really that on the ground and something not that interesting to see. 

[xLays]

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day.

It's always challenging to start again playing dota 2 right now, but always remember that great things take time!

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

[Pierre 2]

Good old TI really became traditional eh? Well I spent many days back in couple of years watching TI games its always good lesson for average dota players and in overall with its quick combat nature and strategies fun watch. But I am not fan of teams keep dissolving. Good old team secret is not here. Sad. Anyways I think its very hard to debate on winning teams at dota games because players are not always concentrated, especially at group stage its all open to surprises so bets against big names there can be very profitable.

[edmundduke]

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.


Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
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Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

When getting back into the game the items are what troubles me the most to be honest. I still have the basic skills of movement etc but remembering all the item / skill builds for heroes is just too much. It would be way better if i tried to go in casually, but i just cant. Not the way i play.

Those were some good players. I still remember this: "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"

[sompitonov]

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.


Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
-snip-

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

When getting back into the game the items are what troubles me the most to be honest. I still have the basic skills of movement etc but remembering all the item / skill builds for heroes is just too much. It would be way better if i tried to go in casually, but i just cant. Not the way i play.

Those were some good players. I still remember this: "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"

I've been playing Dota since 2014 to relax and have fun with friends and I don't play ranked matches. I'm not going to chase ratings. So I also don’t know how all the items are put together. I mean I don't know them 100%, I remember about 80-90%. And this is enough for me to get a kick out of the game.

Since 2014, I have watched every TI. I would like to note that this year the prize pool won't be as crazy as always, but this doesn't make the game worse. I will follow the games with the same joy as always. You just need to choose the most interesting games for yourself because there will be 5 of them at one time. The first game I chose was Team Spirit vs 9Pandas. Congratulations to everyone on the start of TI12 

[xLays]

Only 1hr left to start TI! I've already made my group stage predictions in the international compendium. What do you guys think of my picks? Sorry, I'm not a fan of Team Spirit. I believe Azure Ray will take the Aegis in this Tournament! Azure Ray have the solid line up for me; https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Azure_Ray
Here's my group stage predictions in The International Compendium!
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[vennali]

And it begins!!! Not as hyped as I usually am for TI but its here. The best teams in the world are competing for the aegis of champions!

[passwordnow]

And it begins!!! Not as hyped as I usually am for TI but its here. The best teams in the world are competing for the aegis of champions!

Entity got 2-0 against EG. While watching the other stream, it is with GG and LGD gaming that's now 1-0 but watching it currently it seems that on the 2nd map it is LGD gaming that's on the lead.

Only 1hr left to start TI! I've already made my group stage predictions in the international compendium. What do you guys think of my picks? Sorry, I'm not a fan of Team Spirit. I believe Azure Ray will take the Aegis in this Tournament! Azure Ray have the solid line up for me; https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Azure_Ray

Azure Ray is a strong team and we all know about that but it's that there are a lot of good teams on this TI so it's hard to decide. But anyway, this is just all about predictions and we're all winners here because this is a long time since we've waited. Forget about the prize pool and let's just all enjoy the games as these are continuous actions until the end of this group stage.

The first game I chose was Team Spirit vs 9Pandas. Congratulations to everyone on the start of TI12 

First win for Team Spirit and you've nailed it brother that we're all winners here as it is for everybody who's waiting for this time to come and it had came.

[Lanatsa]

After all those updates not only on having bigger map and new heroes then those items and skill arrangement or changes would really be make your head ache but reading up with the recent patch note then it wont
really be that hard on getting back on trail because if you are really that a fan of Dota 2 then understanding those changes wont really be taking up some long time but of course you would really be needing
to play for yourself and finding out on what those big changes are but for sure it wont really be that much and could really be easily be adapted.


Team rosters had changed and there are tons of professional old players had already retired on the Dota scene. Ex. Jerax,Notail,Faith_bian,MATUMBAMAN and much more.
-snip-

Totally game changed - Roshan, Map, neutral items, runes and skills. I've been playing Dota since 2016, and even now it feels like a brand new game because of the frequent patches they release. As true Dota 2 players often say, it's like the game is still in the beta stage.

When getting back into the game the items are what troubles me the most to be honest. I still have the basic skills of movement etc but remembering all the item / skill builds for heroes is just too much. It would be way better if i tried to go in casually, but i just cant. Not the way i play.

Those were some good players. I still remember this: "When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you're done for!"

Just take it slow bro, soon you would really be having that good grasps about those changes that had been made all over the years but of course it might take a while for you to get used to it but since
you are an old Dota 2 player then i dont really see some issues in regarding with this. Skills operations would really be just simply clicking out those ALT+ keys or you could customed it out.
There are some changes when it comes to neutral item hotkeys and some  quick cast settings which its not really that hard to understand but well just like been said.
Welcome back and take your time to familiarize things once again. Its not that hard to cope up.

And it begins!!! Not as hyped as I usually am for TI but its here. The best teams in the world are competing for the aegis of champions!

Yes, but i wasnt expecting that GG would be having that 2 loss on Group C. Would be they able to get in? COnsidering that beastcoast and LGD on the same team
then it would really be a tough one i should say.

[xLays]

Who watched the Azure Ray vs. Thunder Awaken game 1? Earth Spirit experienced a bug in the mid-game when he got stuck rolling after Centaur used the Aghanim's Scepter skill HITCH A RIDE.At that time, Earth Spirit had activated his BKB and was using his second skill ROLLING BOULDER.
Have any of you experienced this bug before? Confirm that Dota 2 is still in the beta 2 stage." Lmao

[edmundduke]

It looks like i am going to stick with Liquid, that shwoing against Shopify Rebellion was really good. Unfortunately not enough time to watch all the games but ill catch up! Team Spirit and LGD has a very strong showing aswell!

Who watched the Azure Ray vs. Thunder Awaken game 1? Earth Spirit experienced a bug in the mid-game when he got stuck rolling after Centaur used the Aghanim's Scepter skill HITCH A RIDE.At that time, Earth Spirit had activated his BKB and was using his second skill ROLLING BOULDER.
Have any of you experienced this bug before? Confirm that Dota 2 is still in the beta 2 stage." Lmao

I watched it in highlights, such a silly bug lol

[vennali]

Who watched the Azure Ray vs. Thunder Awaken game 1? Earth Spirit experienced a bug in the mid-game when he got stuck rolling after Centaur used the Aghanim's Scepter skill HITCH A RIDE.At that time, Earth Spirit had activated his BKB and was using his second skill ROLLING BOULDER.
Have any of you experienced this bug before? Confirm that Dota 2 is still in the beta 2 stage." Lmao

I knew about the bug as it was posted about a year ago on social media. I didn't know that it was never fixed. Well, Valve is a small indie company(joke), so, these things are going to happen sometime or the other. I thought they'd replay the match with same set of heros but I learnt that the admin has the power to send all the heros to fountain with same items and networth. That's useful. Also found out that there's a possible ingame fix to it. Only manta works in getting out of the eternal boulder.

[vennali]

End of day 1 results. Only 2 teams that went unbeaten. Team Spirit and Team LGD. Somehow, LGD always show up, when it comes to TI. Should set up for an amazing day 2 as well. Interesting to see which teams are able to get a game off of LGD and Spirit.

[sompitonov]

End of day 1 results. Only 2 teams that went unbeaten. Team Spirit and Team LGD. Somehow, LGD always show up, when it comes to TI. Should set up for an amazing day 2 as well. Interesting to see which teams are able to get a game off of LGD and Spirit.

I agree with you, the games of these teams are of greatest interest to me, but not those where the enemy is completely destroyed, but precisely those in which the underdog takes points in the group stage. After the first day, bookmakers set small odds for Team Spirit and LGD. I would look from the other side and bet on underdogs with large odds, even if no one believes in them. This may be especially true at the end of the group stage of the tournament. In any case, TI always knows how to surprise and I don’t expect the final to be TS versus LGD.

[dimonstration]

End of day 1 results. Only 2 teams that went unbeaten. Team Spirit and Team LGD. Somehow, LGD always show up, when it comes to TI. Should set up for an amazing day 2 as well. Interesting to see which teams are able to get a game off of LGD and Spirit.

Tundra and Liquid has the best shot against TS and LGD. The power balance of the team with this currently TI pretty distinct compared to the previous TI which group stage often results to many tie instead of 2-0 matches.

I’m not sure if the level of Dota games on other region drop significantly or Team Spirit and EU teams set the bar high which other teams can’t play close to their game. TS will surely dominate this TI now that they have the momentum once again. I hope Liquid can come up a solution to stop this beast on the Upper Bracket.

[Hirose UK]

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

If you say a lot has changed for TI Dota 2 then it's true and at the start of this year tournament it is really very difficult to predict who will be superior and every match that has taken place is completely different from the matches at the previous TI.
Maybe all this is because there are changes in players in each team and there are also many teams with new names taking part in or being able to qualify for tournaments which now add to the number of prizes which are also getting bigger every year.

Of course, TI 3 was different because only 16 teams participated with Alliance winning and at that time Dota was not as popular as it is now.
Meanwhile 20 teams participated in TI 12 the same as last year.

[vennali]

The group stage has ended, here are the final standings of the road to TI12.



Only team Spirit goes undefeated into the next phase. While PSG Quest, Team SMG, Thunder Awaken and Beastcoast get eliminated.

[inthelongrun]

That was real quick. Of all the teams that got eliminated, I really did not expect PSG Quest. The team has never been the same since losing ATF.

A solid start by Team Spirit which is so far living its hype. This is the strongest start so far by Team Spirit in TI. Prior to this, I was expecting Gaimin Gladiators and BetBoom to dominate this TI but those teams already suffered losses; although I am confident they will stay in the upper bracket.

It's hard to watch and focus on the games since they're starting in the middle of the night here. So far I am only 1-1 on my bets with 1.50sh odds which means I am losing and need to bounce back.

[summonerrk]

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I haven't had much time to follow the games yet, however, I am very surprised that Team Spirit continues to show such a stable result. This cannot speak of anything else but true professionalism, even though the composition has changed.
I am sure that they will enter the top three on this championship, because they are looks like a single organism, as LGD. Gaming and any asian strong team.  
Yatoro the best.