Free - Crypto Casino Script Plinko + Crash Full Installation Document

[degika]

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

Edit - I will update download link soon
For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

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[swaga]

Good luck with your business. Sadly whoever takes the free code from you will also get a virus/drainer.
Why would anyone trust a guy who openly scams people online? 

Also how will your clients get updates? Im the only source of new updates.

[Cantsay]

Are you trying to sell your script or reporting a scam case?

Because I saw a scam accusation thread opened against you earlier today I didn’t follow up the thread but I’m not sure if it’s anything serious but you seriously don’t have to include the event in this thread because it will be extremely difficult for those that never came across that thread to understand what you meant by; buying from someone that took your money, when you yourself are trying to sell yours.

[degika]

Good luck with your business. Sadly whoever takes the free code from you will also get a virus/drainer.
Why would anyone trust a guy who openly scams people online? 

Also how will your clients get updates? Im the only source of new updates.

Just typical lie!
Anyone can find your backdoor (if you have)
also you already prove yourself, what kinda seller you are - adding virus/drainer into your codes.

[swaga]

Are you trying to sell your script or reporting a scam case?

Because I saw a scam accusation thread opened against you earlier today I didn’t follow up the thread but I’m not sure if it’s anything serious but you seriously don’t have to include the event in this thread because it will be extremely difficult for those that never came across that thread to understand what you meant by; buying from someone that took your money, when you yourself are trying to sell yours.

This person tried to resell my work and when I called him out he decided to give it out for free to hurt my business.
Basically classic turkish online behaviour.

[swaga]

Good luck with your business. Sadly whoever takes the free code from you will also get a virus/drainer.
Why would anyone trust a guy who openly scams people online? 

Also how will your clients get updates? Im the only source of new updates.

Just typical lie!
Anyone can find your backdoor (if you have)
also you already prove yourself, what kinda seller you are - adding virus/drainer into your codes.

Never said I put drainer into my code - But you will- Hence why you're giving it for free.

[degika]

Never touch files, or never add something bad into codes.
Just clean as we download from your server.
Do your business clean get more clients and always keep your word!
When you get money, you never answer.

[swaga]

Never touch files, or never add something bad into codes.
Just clean as we download from your server.
Do your business clean get more clients and always keep your word!
When you get money, you never answer.

This person tried to convince me today he wasnt trying to resell my work online - After I called him out and told him I knew what he was up to he blocked me.
I knew from the very start you were going to resell the code.


I can always update the code and offer support to real buyer but resellers like yourself will never have my respect or attention.

[degika]

Never touch files, or never add something bad into codes.
Just clean as we download from your server.
Do your business clean get more clients and always keep your word!
When you get money, you never answer.

This person tried to convince me today he wasnt trying to resell my work online - After I called him out and told him I knew what he was up to he blocked me.
I knew from the very start you were going to resell the code.


I can always update the code and offer support to real buyer but resellers like yourself will never have my respect or attention.

This is not even your project.
This is Phoenix gambling project, you get files from github lol .

[swaga]

Never touch files, or never add something bad into codes.
Just clean as we download from your server.
Do your business clean get more clients and always keep your word!
When you get money, you never answer.

This person tried to convince me today he wasnt trying to resell my work online - After I called him out and told him I knew what he was up to he blocked me.
I knew from the very start you were going to resell the code.


I can always update the code and offer support to real buyer but resellers like yourself will never have my respect or attention.

This is not even your project.
This is Phoenix gambling project, you get files from github lol .

Untrue and false. If you spent even 1 second on reading my discord you'd realise Phoenix gambling is not in fact owner of this code.
But since you're only interested in fast scam/profit he we are.

ANYONE can go to my discord and check the update logs and see I, in fact, did do countless updates to the code base.
That is something only I can provide thus giving the code for free is basically useless - You buy my support and future updates, the code itself is a bonus.

Sadly a lowlife like you will never understand that.

[degika]

go casino\@sport\package.json - package-lock
@web same path
and check please, we all know the truth. lol
Real files  - https://github.com/ICE323/phoenix-gambling

[swaga]

go casino\@sport\package.json - package-lock
@web same path
and check please, we all know the truth. lol

Again, a lowlife like you wont understand what Im saying.

Btw, why did you lie like a dog when i asked you if you tried to resell the code on discord?
Also let me ask you, why did you buy this code from me if you can get it from github?

The amount of bullshit you can spew out is crazy.
Just accept the fact I caught you trying to resell my work and you got mad.

[degika]

250$ for script and 2 times 100+100 for installation you get money from me.
and what i get for exchange ?
Big Nothing.
Forum users can decide that.

[swaga]

250$ for script and 2 times 100+100 for installation you get money from me.
and what i get for exchange ?
Big Nothing.
Forum users can decide that.

You got the source code, 3 updates and 1 installation.
You then reset your server for no reason and wanted 2nd installation -> you wanted this because you wanted to resell the code. (because crash and slots were added so you wanted a new version to resell)

After 2 days ago you posted the sale thread without demo after which I called you out.
You panicked and decided to avenge yourself by leaking the code for free.

Stop acting like you weren't planning on making money off my work.
Look at your sale threads -> you're selling nothing you helped create/created yourself.

Here's the proof of your vouch on my discord server: https://i.imgur.com/Ff3qABg.png

[degika]

I try to sell because of you never answer me,

You panicked and decided to avenge yourself by leaking the code for free.

You panic! thats why u remove from our server script lol

Thats what i wanted to see from your side. i didnt even change password for server to see your reaction
Thank you.

otherwise i never think to sale your script.
i wrote you many times you said ok..
and then never reply my msg.
then ive asked to our common friend to speak with you and your partner.
still same..
i just dont know how you are working like that.
Of course im gonna take revenge.
because u are not loyal and honest.
i bought that script 1.5 month ago.
if i decide to resell it, why would i wait since 1 and half month?
Cmon just be real.

[swaga]

I try to sell because of you never answer me,
otherwise i never think to sale your script.
i wrote you many times you said ok..
and then never reply my msg.
then ive asked to our common friend to speak with you and your partner.
still same..
i just dont know how you are working like that.
Of course im gonna take revenge.
because u are not loyal and honest.
i bought that script 1.5 month ago.
if i decide to resell it, why would i wait since 1 and half month?
Cmon just be real.

You couldve been normal and waited. I told you I'd install it for you TODAY and you agreed to this.
Then you decided to lie to my face. Sad.

[seoincorporation]

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

If you decide to make it public then the right way to do it is on github, that way the community can make it a better code.

But here are some ethical problems, you should not make public the work from a developer even if you pay for the code, because if that developer wanna sell more copies then you just kill his business and all his work.

If the code comes with the Installation Documentation then you should install it yourself.

But I'm of the idea that talking is the right way to fix any problem, and this kind of action never end well. But good luck anyway.

[decodx]

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

If you decide to make it public then the right way to do it is on github, that way the community can make it a better code.

But here are some ethical problems, you should not make public the work from a developer even if you pay for the code, because if that developer wanna sell more copies then you just kill his business and all his work.

If the code comes with the Installation Documentation then you should install it yourself.

But I'm of the idea that talking is the right way to fix any problem, and this kind of action never end well. But good luck anyway.

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator. 

[swaga]

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

If you decide to make it public then the right way to do it is on github, that way the community can make it a better code.

But here are some ethical problems, you should not make public the work from a developer even if you pay for the code, because if that developer wanna sell more copies then you just kill his business and all his work.

If the code comes with the Installation Documentation then you should install it yourself.

But I'm of the idea that talking is the right way to fix any problem, and this kind of action never end well. But good luck anyway.

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator. 

This couldn't be further from the truth but hey people on here will say anything to get that 1 post / merit.

Phoenix gambling is not the original dev of the code I'm selling and they have 0 rights to it - They're not even a legal entity. Anyone with half a brain is free to download the code and use it OR (like i did) change it, modify it and sell it as a standalone product.
I can provide you with over 10 individual cases where Phoenix gambling scammed their own customers by not providing them with what they promised - Original developer would NOT do that.

Ive had this discussion before and I'm not planning to again. I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.
The OP knew all these info prior to buying anything from me - He is still aware of it all but he will say anything just to hurt my business.

[SamReomo]

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator. 

This couldn't be further from the truth but hey people on here will say anything to get that 1 post / merit.

Phoenix gambling is not the original dev of the code I'm selling and they have 0 rights to it - They're not even a legal entity. Anyone with half a brain is free to download the code and use it OR (like i did) change it, modify it and sell it as a standalone product.
I can provide you with over 10 individual cases where Phoenix gambling scammed their own customers by not providing them with what they promised - Original developer would NOT do that.

Ive had this discussion before and I'm not planning to again. I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.
The OP knew all these info prior to buying anything from me - He is still aware of it all but he will say anything just to hurt my business.

First of all it's not always about 1 post or merit that a user intends why he/she try to share information on the forum. The decodx is a decent member and has been actively contributing on the forum for a long time and calling such things isn't fair at all.

Well whatever you said falls into stealing of someone else's work and modifying it then claiming it as yours. That's a type of copyright theft if I'm not wrong, and selling of a code that's free is a type of scamming somehow. The public code always comes with a license and selling someone's work without their permission is illegal.

And when it comes to OP, I can say that he got frustrated because someone sold him a code that's available freely on Github and that's why he created this thread and leaked the code. In fact he didn't leaked the code because the code was already freely available on Github.

[decodx]

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

If you decide to make it public then the right way to do it is on github, that way the community can make it a better code.

But here are some ethical problems, you should not make public the work from a developer even if you pay for the code, because if that developer wanna sell more copies then you just kill his business and all his work.

If the code comes with the Installation Documentation then you should install it yourself.

But I'm of the idea that talking is the right way to fix any problem, and this kind of action never end well. But good luck anyway.

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator. 

This couldn't be further from the truth but hey people on here will say anything to get that 1 post / merit.

Phoenix gambling is not the original dev of the code I'm selling and they have 0 rights to it - They're not even a legal entity. Anyone with half a brain is free to download the code and use it OR (like i did) change it, modify it and sell it as a standalone product.

You say you're a developer? Then you should know that's not how software licenses work. See, when someone writes a program and shares it under a certain license they still have rights over that code.  Stuff like how it can be used, changed, or passed around and  unless you wrote it yourself or got the ok from whoever did, you can't just sell it.  Thats infringing on their intellectual property rights.

I can provide you with over 10 individual cases where Phoenix gambling scammed their own customers by not providing them with what they promised - Original developer would NOT do that.

Thats not the topic of this discussion. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right.

Ive had this discussion before and I'm not planning to again. I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.

Oh, you're absolutely, positively, 100% wrong!    You are allowed to modify and use open-source code for your own purposes, but you must still adhere to the terms of the original license, no matter  how much of the original code was changed.

[robelneo]

There are so many accusations being thrown but so far I have not seen any proof to back up these accusations

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.

You can ask for a refund if part of the terms is they are going to install the script or there is support for a specific time, you never resell a script you bought especially here in Bitcointalk you're going to get a tag for reselling without permission.

You got the source code, 3 updates and 1 installation.
You then reset your server for no reason and wanted 2nd installation -> you wanted this because you wanted to resell the code. (because crash and slots were added so you wanted a new version to resell)

Here's the proof of your vouch on my discord server: https://i.imgur.com/Ff3qABg.png

Are there any more screenshots like a conversation to back up your claim, if you really did an installation then you did your job, and OP is wrong here for reselling or giving the code free.

[swaga]

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator.  

This couldn't be further from the truth but hey people on here will say anything to get that 1 post / merit.

Phoenix gambling is not the original dev of the code I'm selling and they have 0 rights to it - They're not even a legal entity. Anyone with half a brain is free to download the code and use it OR (like i did) change it, modify it and sell it as a standalone product.
I can provide you with over 10 individual cases where Phoenix gambling scammed their own customers by not providing them with what they promised - Original developer would NOT do that.

Ive had this discussion before and I'm not planning to again. I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.
The OP knew all these info prior to buying anything from me - He is still aware of it all but he will say anything just to hurt my business.

First of all it's not always about 1 post or merit that a user intends why he/she try to share information on the forum. The decodx is a decent member and has been actively contributing on the forum for a long time and calling such things isn't fair at all.

Well whatever you said falls into stealing of someone else's work and modifying it then claiming it as yours. That's a type of copyright theft if I'm not wrong, and selling of a code that's free is a type of scamming somehow. The public code always comes with a license and selling someone's work without their permission is illegal.

And when it comes to OP, I can say that he got frustrated because someone sold him a code that's available freely on Github and that's why he created this thread and leaked the code. In fact he didn't leaked the code because the code was already freely available on Github.

Im sorry but I feel you haven't read my reply at all.
But if you're interested in the topic please join my discord server.

It's not so black and white as people here make it seem. Phoenix gambling is a scamming group of people who stole the "code" and now is pretending they made it.
Original developers published their 1st version of the code long time ago and gave permission to anyone to change it, modify it and resell it.

I'm one of the people who took the code and changed it and what I sell is not only the code - I provide support, i wrote the installation guide (3 versions so far) and I provide updates and bug fixes - Please note that Phoenix gambling is still selling the code full of bugs (over 100 of them) and they refuse to fix any - because they think its not necessary or because they cant? you decide.

I'm doing this community a favor for taking the garbage code and turning it into a usable piece of software but hey, as they say, do good, get fucked.


Also, to add a final note to this discussion as i cant keep checking this thread to reply:

The source code in question is NOT AN OPEN SOURCE CODE.
It was simply published by the original devs as they didn't want to continue developing the software as it was full of bugs already.

It has no open source licences and other bullshit - It's free for all piece of code.

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

If you decide to make it public then the right way to do it is on github, that way the community can make it a better code.

But here are some ethical problems, you should not make public the work from a developer even if you pay for the code, because if that developer wanna sell more copies then you just kill his business and all his work.

If the code comes with the Installation Documentation then you should install it yourself.

But I'm of the idea that talking is the right way to fix any problem, and this kind of action never end well. But good luck anyway.

Well, this is more complicated than it seems at first! Looks like degika bought a casino script from swaga.  But here's the thing - swaga didn't actually make the script.  He resold it illegally after getting it from the real developers at phoenix-gambling! I even found a comment phoenix-gambling left a few months ago explaining the whole situation.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440223.msg61782027#msg61782027

They said swaga took their open source script from GitHub without permission and acted like he created it himself! Super sketchy.  degika probably had no idea since swaga was acting like the legitimate creator.  

This couldn't be further from the truth but hey people on here will say anything to get that 1 post / merit.

Phoenix gambling is not the original dev of the code I'm selling and they have 0 rights to it - They're not even a legal entity. Anyone with half a brain is free to download the code and use it OR (like i did) change it, modify it and sell it as a standalone product.

You say you're a developer? Then you should know that's not how software licenses work. See, when someone writes a program and shares it under a certain license they still have rights over that code.  Stuff like how it can be used, changed, or passed around and  unless you wrote it yourself or got the ok from whoever did, you can't just sell it.  Thats infringing on their intellectual property rights.

I can provide you with over 10 individual cases where Phoenix gambling scammed their own customers by not providing them with what they promised - Original developer would NOT do that.

Thats not the topic of this discussion. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right.

Ive had this discussion before and I'm not planning to again. I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.

Oh, you're absolutely, positively, 100% wrong!    You are allowed to modify and use open-source code for your own purposes, but you must still adhere to the terms of the original license, no matter  how much of the original code was changed.

please read my last response.

The software in question is not "open source".

it was simply published by original devs right before they quit the project.
It's not like I took an open source code for something and decided to proclaim it mine - The devs explicitly allowed anyone to take it and use it as a base for their project. And so I did.

If the code in question has a licence - WHO is the owner of that code? give me a full name and address so I can contact them and ask a few questions.

[decodx]

It's not so black and white as people here make it seem. Phoenix gambling is a scamming group of people who stole the "code" and now is pretending they made it.
Original developers published their 1st version of the code long time ago and gave permission to anyone to change it, modify it and resell it.

Do you have proof of that?

I'm one of the people who took the code and changed it and what I sell is not only the code - I provide support, i wrote the installation guide (3 versions so far) and I provide updates and bug fixes -

Again, depending on the original license (e.g., GPLv2 or v3), you may be permitted to modify the script but not to resell it, or its derivatives. You can offer support, provide updates and bug fixes, and charge for these services, but that still doesn't grant you rights to the original script or its derivatives.

Please note that Phoenix gambling is still selling the code full of bugs (over 100 of them) and they refuse to fix any - because they think its not necessary or because they cant? you decide.

Do you have proof of that?

I'm doing this community a favor for taking the garbage code and turning it into a usable piece of software but hey, as they say, do good, get fucked.

By that logic, degika is doing this community a favor too!

Also, to add a final note to this discussion as i cant keep checking this thread to reply:

The source code in question is NOT AN OPEN SOURCE CODE.
It was simply published by the original devs as they didn't want to continue developing the software as it was full of bugs already.

It has no open source licences and other bullshit - It's free for all piece of code.

LOL! That's actually even worse for you!

The default software license for publicly released code is typically "All Rights Reserved." What that means is the person who wrote the code keeps all the copyrights and control over it.  Other people can't use it, change it, or distribute it without explicit permission from the original creator.

[swaga]

It's not so black and white as people here make it seem. Phoenix gambling is a scamming group of people who stole the "code" and now is pretending they made it.
Original developers published their 1st version of the code long time ago and gave permission to anyone to change it, modify it and resell it.

Do you have proof of that?

I'm one of the people who took the code and changed it and what I sell is not only the code - I provide support, i wrote the installation guide (3 versions so far) and I provide updates and bug fixes -

Again, depending on the original license (e.g., GPLv2 or v3), you may be permitted to modify the script but not to resell it, or its derivatives. You can offer support, provide updates and bug fixes, and charge for these services, but that still doesn't grant you rights to the original script or its derivatives.

Please note that Phoenix gambling is still selling the code full of bugs (over 100 of them) and they refuse to fix any - because they think its not necessary or because they cant? you decide.

Do you have proof of that?

I'm doing this community a favor for taking the garbage code and turning it into a usable piece of software but hey, as they say, do good, get fucked.

By that logic, degika is doing this community a favor too!

Also, to add a final note to this discussion as i cant keep checking this thread to reply:

The source code in question is NOT AN OPEN SOURCE CODE.
It was simply published by the original devs as they didn't want to continue developing the software as it was full of bugs already.

It has no open source licences and other bullshit - It's free for all piece of code.

LOL! That's actually even worse for you!

The default software license for publicly released code is typically "All Rights Reserved." What that means is the person who wrote the code keeps all the copyrights and control over it.  Other people can't use it, change it, or distribute it without explicit permission from the original creator.

I do have proof and I'll post if right after you tell me who owns the rights to the original code.

Name, last name, address, country or in any other order you wish.

I've been in casino source code community for 3+ years and i know what im talking about. The code is not under any licences.

[examplens]

swaga, I'm going through your discussions now and I noticed one thing. Sometimes you claim that it is your software, your code, but later you say that it was a code from Phoenix gambling. Also, you get it from a developer or download it for free. Will you make a final decision about your status according to this script?

I do have proof and I'll post if right after you tell me who owns the rights to the original code.

I've been in casino source code community for 3+ years and i know what im talking about. The code is not under any licences.

Name, last name, address, country or in any other order you wish.

Do you have proof that you have a license to resell that script? (Remember, you yourself wrote earlier that Phoenix ^{as owner} sells that script full of bugs)
Here's what they say about anyone who presents themselves as a reseller or tries to sell their software https://phoenix-gambling.com/beware

[robelneo]

swaga, I'm going through your discussions now and I noticed one thing. Sometimes you claim that it is your software, your code, but later you say that it was a code from Phoenix gambling. Also, you get it from a developer or download it for free. Will you make a final decision about your status according to this script?

I do have proof and I'll post if right after you tell me who owns the rights to the original code.

I've been in casino source code community for 3+ years and i know what im talking about. The code is not under any licences.

Name, last name, address, country or in any other order you wish.

Do you have proof that you have a license to resell that script? (Remember, you yourself wrote earlier that Phoenix ^{as owner} sells that script full of bugs)
Here's what they say about anyone who presents themselves as a reseller or tries to sell their software https://phoenix-gambling.com/beware

I'm also having a hard time figuring out everything, he claims he is the developer and accuses one of reselling his script now he posted this

The code is not under any licences.

If there's no license then it is free distribution, when you claim to own a script then you should be the creator or you have a license for it coming from the original creator, everything emanates from the original creator if you have no deal with the original creator it's not yours or you modified it and claim it as yours.
swaga, if he knows what he is talking about, should present his position once and for all to settle this, by telling us the complete history of the script from the start.

[swaga]

swaga, I'm going through your discussions now and I noticed one thing. Sometimes you claim that it is your software, your code, but later you say that it was a code from Phoenix gambling. Also, you get it from a developer or download it for free. Will you make a final decision about your status according to this script?

I do have proof and I'll post if right after you tell me who owns the rights to the original code.

I've been in casino source code community for 3+ years and i know what im talking about. The code is not under any licences.

Name, last name, address, country or in any other order you wish.

Do you have proof that you have a license to resell that script? (Remember, you yourself wrote earlier that Phoenix ^{as owner} sells that script full of bugs)
Here's what they say about anyone who presents themselves as a reseller or tries to sell their software https://phoenix-gambling.com/beware

I never said phoenix was the owner but just one of the resellers who pasted their logo all over the base code.
I will continue this discussion once someone posts the information on original owners of the code, meaning name, last name, country, address etc.

I cant prove something doesnt exist (aka the code has no owner) but you can prove the original dev exists... so where is he?

I'm not sure why are we even discussing this and not the fact the OP tried to resell my code (When i say my code i mean MY UPDATES TO PLUBLICLY AVAILABLE CODE) + my installation guide.

to put simply:

1) I'm selling my own updates - the base code is free and I never claimed I coded the whole thing.
2) The OP bought the updates from me and tried to resell them.
3) Phoenix took the base code and branded it as their own code without doing any updates.

There is no connection between me and phoenix other than they're accusing me of stealing their work while they themselves CANT prove they're the original devs of the code in question.
If they were original dev they would've proven it A LONG TIME AGO and this discussion would not happen every 3 months.

Now im no lawyer but isn't it "innocent till proven guilty"? Why do people accuse me of stealing when they cant provide ANY evidence of my doing any actual stealing.
Who did I steal from? The friendly ghost casper? Lets be rational.

[degika]

I dont want to keep this anymore but as i speak with Phoenix Gambling.
I just wanted to share screenshot.

https://screenrec.com/share/8r9oBxQC2j

https://screenrec.com/share/PQlq7XipCh

You never keep your promise.
1 and half month come on ?
You said phoenix not real owner, lets see who is is real owner.
---
Edit : Check dates and promises(there is more if need)
https://i.ibb.co/BVpTV0s/this-2.png
https://i.ibb.co/WB6r9sT/this-3.png
https://i.ibb.co/LdV0Xfy/this1.png
Edit 2 : If we say something against you, you are always "ban" without question, you have banned me from channel, even our common friend banned from the other channel even he is innocent just try to help me.
Pathetic.
So we cannot say anything about you.

[decodx]

It seems pretty evident here who the actual scammer is. I will quote your post with img edits for better visibility:

I dont want to keep this anymore but as i speak with Phoenix Gambling.
I just wanted to share screenshot.



You never keep your promise.
1 and half month come on ?
You said phoenix not real owner, lets see who is is real owner.
---
Edit : Check dates and promises(there is more if need)






Edit 2 : If we say something against you, you are always "ban" without question, you have banned me from channel, even our common friend banned from the other channel even he is innocent just try to help me.
Pathetic.
So we cannot say anything about you.

[swaga]

It seems pretty evident here who the actual scammer is. I will quote your post with img edits for better visibility:

I dont want to keep this anymore but as i speak with Phoenix Gambling.
I just wanted to share screenshot.



You never keep your promise.
1 and half month come on ?
You said phoenix not real owner, lets see who is is real owner.
---
Edit : Check dates and promises(there is more if need)






Edit 2 : If we say something against you, you are always "ban" without question, you have banned me from channel, even our common friend banned from the other channel even he is innocent just try to help me.
Pathetic.
So we cannot say anything about you.

This doesnt prove ANYTHING. Phoenix gambling will always claim they're the original devs - and thats the problem. They're not original devs and I dont understand why is it taken for granted they're the OG?

1) Its quite sad to see people accusing others with 0 evidence + I have all the evidence to show phoenix gambling are scammers yet people on here constantly choose to ignore it.
2) the buyer (OP) agreed with me that the installation would take place yesterday yet he posted my code (my updates) for sale on here 3 days prior and then he chose to lie to me about that not being him.

I don't work with scammers and liars and he did both those things - I'm not obligated to install it for him as he broke the agreement we had + he lied to me.
The agreement we had was absolutely NO reselling. If he wanted refund why did he agree to have it installed yesterday? If he asked me for refund why did he post my code for sale 3 days prior?

He tried to scam me by asking for refund and people on here just fail to realise that.

I won't reply anymore as its pointless, you people don't really care about evicence or logic.
If anyone wants to discuss this further please join my discord and check for yourself.

OP made a great show here but thats all it is - a show.

Anyone doubting me can join my discord and discuss this with me - I'm not afraid of accusations and I'm not here to scam people.

[Latviand]

This doesnt prove ANYTHING. Phoenix gambling will always claim they're the original devs - and thats the problem. They're not original devs and I dont understand why is it taken for granted they're the OG?

Wouldn't there be a legacy code or something in the script that will prove who owns the code and who created it? I think that it's a thing that developers do to protect their codes in the case that someone tries to steal it? I like that your conversation is a thread, helps a lot so other people can weigh in and see who's the scammer.

[swaga]

This doesnt prove ANYTHING. Phoenix gambling will always claim they're the original devs - and thats the problem. They're not original devs and I dont understand why is it taken for granted they're the OG?

Wouldn't there be a legacy code or something in the script that will prove who owns the code and who created it? I think that it's a thing that developers do to protect their codes in the case that someone tries to steal it? I like that your conversation is a thread, helps a lot so other people can weigh in and see who's the scammer.

Do you understand you can remove all mentions of the original dev from the code?

The only way phoenix will be able to prove they made it is by giving us the real name, last name and the name of the company that made the casino code.
They ofc wont do this since they never coded a single line of that casino source.

[robelneo]

to put simply:

1) I'm selling my own updates - the base code is free and I never claimed I coded the whole thing.
2) The OP bought the updates from me and tried to resell them.
3) Phoenix took the base code and branded it as their own code without doing any updates.

Phoenix took the base code and branded it as their own code without doing any updates.

How sure are you that they only take the code, sometimes real developers can opt not to take an update on the script they created not updating their code doesn't mean they are not the owner.

The OP bought the updates from me and tried to resell them.

He accuses you of not completing the deal and he finds out that you are not the owner of the base code I still hold that it is wrong you own the update that you created and the documentation that you added.

I'm selling my own updates - the base code is free and I never claimed I coded the whole thing.

So if you see someone selling the base code you cannot accuse him, you have a claim on the update and the documentation that you created only,  but if Phoenix Gambling can prove that they are the owner of the code then you will end up using other developers base code to use as your own.
You accuse Phoenix of not owning the base code when they claim they own it, prove to us that Phoenix does not own it and everything will end here until the real owners come out.

Everything depends on the history of the files on who owns it first, if anyone who claims to own the base code has a history of putting it in a third-party marketplace like Codecanyon then they have a valid claim.

lets just hope Phoenix join the discussion to prove his stake on the code, only the real developer can provide everything

[swaga]

He accuses you of not completing the deal and he finds out that you are not the owner of the base code I still hold that it is wrong you own the update that you created and the documentation that you added.

He didn't find out I wasnt the original dev of the base code - Its all written down in my discord under "know what you buy" section.
I didn't complete the deal because he broke that deal by posting my code for sale on here.

The only reason we're having this discussion is because he is mad at me for catching him and exposing him.

So if you see someone selling the base code you cannot accuse him, you have a claim on the update and the documentation that you created only,  but if Phoenix Gambling can prove that they are the owner of the code then you will end up using other developers base code to use as your own.
You accuse Phoenix of not owning the base code when they claim they own it, prove to us that Phoenix does not own it and everything will end here until the real owners come out.

1) I can prove I did over 100 updates and bug fixes on the base code.
2) I cant prove Phoenix is not original dev - It's on them to prove they ARE original devs, not vice versa.
3) Phoenix gambling won't come here with proof as they don't own any - They're aware of the scamming they've been doing for the last 2 years and they don't want to add fuel to the fire as they're know it would hurt their business too.
4) I'm fairly certain "phoenix gambling" does not exist. It's not a real company and thus they CANT own the code nor prove they made it.
5) Phoenix gambling is 2 Russians pretending to be German. They go by "Klaus" and "Adam" - Id like those two to come here and show in which country their company named "Phoenix gambling" is registered.

[examplens]

I dont want to keep this anymore but as i speak with Phoenix Gambling.
I just wanted to share screenshot.

https://screenrec.com/share/8r9oBxQC2j

https://screenrec.com/share/PQlq7XipCh

You never keep your promise.
1 and half month come on ?
You said phoenix not real owner, lets see who is is real owner.
---
Edit : Check dates and promises(there is more if need)
https://i.ibb.co/BVpTV0s/this-2.png
https://i.ibb.co/WB6r9sT/this-3.png
https://i.ibb.co/LdV0Xfy/this1.png
Edit 2 : If we say something against you, you are always "ban" without question, you have banned me from channel, even our common friend banned from the other channel even he is innocent just try to help me.
Pathetic.
So we cannot say anything about you.

degika, I suggest you open a topic in the scam accusation section and bring in all the evidence you have in this case. You also can create a flag against @swaga, there are elements of fraud here considering that you did not get what you paid for. Other users should be warned of the risk of trading with @swaga.
Any further discussion with him about the unauthorized resale of other people's software is useless.

[swaga]

I dont want to keep this anymore but as i speak with Phoenix Gambling.
I just wanted to share screenshot.

https://screenrec.com/share/8r9oBxQC2j

https://screenrec.com/share/PQlq7XipCh

You never keep your promise.
1 and half month come on ?
You said phoenix not real owner, lets see who is is real owner.
---
Edit : Check dates and promises(there is more if need)
https://i.ibb.co/BVpTV0s/this-2.png
https://i.ibb.co/WB6r9sT/this-3.png
https://i.ibb.co/LdV0Xfy/this1.png
Edit 2 : If we say something against you, you are always "ban" without question, you have banned me from channel, even our common friend banned from the other channel even he is innocent just try to help me.
Pathetic.
So we cannot say anything about you.

degika, I suggest you open a topic in the scam accusation section and bring in all the evidence you have in this case. You also can create a flag against @swaga, there are elements of fraud here considering that you did not get what you paid for. Other users should be warned of the risk of trading with @swaga.
Any further discussion with him about the unauthorized resale of other people's software is useless.

He posted my project - my code - my work for FREE.
And i'm the scammer?
Dear god...

Also, he got everything he paid for prior to trying to scam me - After he tried to scam me the deal was off and I wasn't obligated to follow through with the installation.
I haven't scammed him and there is proof of it. We agreed the installation would take place YESTERDAY yet he posted MY CODE for sale (WHICH IS AGAINST THE RULES THAT HE AGREED TO) on here 3 days prior.


So the moral of this story is: If you're not happy with the service you get - Ruin their business and accuse them of scamming?
This forum is honestly a chatgpt infested cesspool - Not a single reply on here makes sense - not a single person reads my comments.

All you people do is cherry pick parts of my replies - the important stuff? you leave it out as you can't reply to it.
If you want to reply to my comments - reply to every single line of it.

[decodx]

1) I can prove I did over 100 updates and bug fixes on the base code.
2) I cant prove Phoenix is not original dev - It's on them to prove they ARE original devs, not vice versa.
3) Phoenix gambling won't come here with proof as they don't own any - They're aware of the scamming they've been doing for the last 2 years and they don't want to add fuel to the fire as they're know it would hurt their business too.
4) I'm fairly certain "phoenix gambling" does not exist. It's not a real company and thus they CANT own the code nor prove they made it.
5) Phoenix gambling is 2 Russians pretending to be German. They go by "Klaus" and "Adam" - Id like those two to come here and show in which country their company named "Phoenix gambling" is registered.

1. That's not the key issue here. Even if you make 10,000 updates, it doesn't magically make the original code yours, and it certainly doesn't grant you the right to claim someone else's work as your own.
2. If you can't prove that they aren't the original developers, then why bother slinging mud and insisting they're not? If you have any doubts, it's only fair to present the evidence. They published the source code of their original script on GitHub, after the code was leaked on the Russian warez forums. You admitted it yourself:

Hey man I saw your post about buying win5x from phoenix gambling back in august 2022.
I've been fixing their free (leaked) version since then and I can say that I managed to fix majority of the bugs.
Even the crash works now.

And now you lie that they are not the original developers? Where did you get their script then?

4. Whether they are a real company or not is irrelevant. Even independent developers have the right to claim ownership of their code.
5. Not relevant for this discussion.

He posted my project - my code - my work for FREE.
And i'm the scammer?
Dear god...

It wasn't your code to begin with. All the facts show that you illegally took someone else's code and present it as your own. Yes, that makes you a scammer!

So the moral of this story is: If you're not happy with the service you get - Ruin their business and accuse them of scamming?

That's exactly what you tried to do in the case of Phoenix gambling.

This forum is honestly a chatgpt infested cesspool - Not a single reply on here makes sense - not a single person reads my comments.

That's not true!

All you people do is cherry pick parts of my replies - the important stuff? you leave it out as you can't reply to it.
If you want to reply to my comments - reply to every single line of it.

Your replies are filled with irrelevant and unimportant details, seemingly to divert attention from the actual issue. If you'd like us to address each point, it might be more effective to keep your initial messages concise and to the point.

[swaga]

1) I can prove I did over 100 updates and bug fixes on the base code.
2) I cant prove Phoenix is not original dev - It's on them to prove they ARE original devs, not vice versa.
3) Phoenix gambling won't come here with proof as they don't own any - They're aware of the scamming they've been doing for the last 2 years and they don't want to add fuel to the fire as they're know it would hurt their business too.
4) I'm fairly certain "phoenix gambling" does not exist. It's not a real company and thus they CANT own the code nor prove they made it.
5) Phoenix gambling is 2 Russians pretending to be German. They go by "Klaus" and "Adam" - Id like those two to come here and show in which country their company named "Phoenix gambling" is registered.

1. That's not the key issue here. Even if you make 10,000 updates, it doesn't magically make the original code yours, and it certainly doesn't grant you the right to claim someone else's work as your own.
2. If you can't prove that they aren't the original developers, then why bother slinging mud and insisting they're not? If you have any doubts, it's only fair to present the evidence. They published the source code of their original script on GitHub, after the code was leaked on the Russian warez forums. You admitted it yourself:

Hey man I saw your post about buying win5x from phoenix gambling back in august 2022.
I've been fixing their free (leaked) version since then and I can say that I managed to fix majority of the bugs.
Even the crash works now.

And now you lie that they are not the original developers? Where did you get their script then?

4. Whether they are a real company or not is irrelevant. Even independent developers have the right to claim ownership of their code.
5. Not relevant for this discussion.

He posted my project - my code - my work for FREE.
And i'm the scammer?
Dear god...

It wasn't your code to begin with. All the facts show that you illegally took someone else's code and present it as your own. Yes, that makes you a scammer!

So the moral of this story is: If you're not happy with the service you get - Ruin their business and accuse them of scamming?

That's exactly what you tried to do in the case of Phoenix gambling.

This forum is honestly a chatgpt infested cesspool - Not a single reply on here makes sense - not a single person reads my comments.

That's not true!

All you people do is cherry pick parts of my replies - the important stuff? you leave it out as you can't reply to it.
If you want to reply to my comments - reply to every single line of it.

Your replies are filled with irrelevant and unimportant details, seemingly to divert attention from the actual issue. If you'd like us to address each point, it might be more effective to keep your initial messages concise and to the point.

I never presented the code as my own - the updates I did are my own.
Im sorry but our discussion has no point as you keep coming back to the same point where you claim "i scammed because I claimed i made the code" while in fact I never claimed that and if you joined my discord and did some actual research you'd realise that.

Also please let me know: How do I prove something doesnt exist? Logically and mathematically.

You also inverted/twisted half of what I said about Klaus and Adam. All i said was: let them come here and show they made the code.


And to just reply to the part where you quote me about phoenix gambling script. -> most people know it by that name. Original name is win5x.

[degika]

I never presented the code as my own - the updates I did are my own.

You blame me as i am reseller of your script/code.
And now you are saying you are not the real owner of script/code.
I'm conflicted. so you are with yourself.
Anyway good luck.
I will update link soon for everyone.

[degika]

Code:

You can ask for a refund if part of the terms is they are going to install the script or there is support for a specific time, you never resell a script you bought especially here in Bitcointalk you're going to get a tag for reselling without permission.

He never gonna refund me anything as he is only using discord channel (little empire for himself).
over 400+ $ ive paid for it.
he said "real life... real life..." i got it, he may have real life situation! i dont mind that.
But "Ill install tomorrow / next day / cmon bro i have real life / i have family take care ... you have to pay me more..."
do you really think he is gonna refund me ?
should i call discord police ? - nah
i just wanted to show his real face.

[swaga]

I never presented the code as my own - the updates I did are my own.

You blame me as i am reseller of your script/code.
And now you are saying you are not the real owner of script/code.
I'm conflicted. so you are with yourself.
Anyway good luck.
I will update link soon for everyone.

I am the owner of over 100 updates.
You can share the code all you want but anyone who really needs it understands its useless with new updates + my support.
By breaking the agreement two of us has you lost the access to future updates / my server.

Just accept the fact you got caught trying to resell my work and I caught you.

Anyhow, I wont lose sleep over a turksih kid trying to hurt my business.

[swaga]

Code:

You can ask for a refund if part of the terms is they are going to install the script or there is support for a specific time, you never resell a script you bought especially here in Bitcointalk you're going to get a tag for reselling without permission.

He never gonna refund me anything as he is only using discord channel (little empire for himself).
over 400+ $ ive paid for it.
he said "real life... real life..." i got it, he may have real life situation! i dont mind that.
But "Ill install tomorrow / next day / cmon bro i have real life / i have family take care ... you have to pay me more..."
do you really think he is gonna refund me ?
should i call discord police ? - nah
i just wanted to show his real face.

1) I told you I was busy with something irl that I didn't plan for so the final agreement was the installation would take place on 9.10.
2) you posted my code for sale on 7.10 which means you KNEW you broke the agreement yet you still kept demanding an installation and then a refund after you realise I caught you.
3) you lied to my face about not trying to resell the code when I asked you
4) you used 2 accounts to talk to me to make me believe you had a friend who referred you to me in hope of getting free stuff in the future.

You can't get a refund since Ive delivered everything you paid for + you broke the agreement we had. That's how it works. If you break the agreement why should I still carry on with it as if nothing happened?

Overall this is a very sad display of what living in Turkey does to a person.

[examplens]

I was quoting for reference, because this leads to a red flag.

Code:

You can ask for a refund if part of the terms is they are going to install the script or there is support for a specific time, you never resell a script you bought especially here in Bitcointalk you're going to get a tag for reselling without permission.

He never gonna refund me anything as he is only using discord channel (little empire for himself).
over 400+ $ ive paid for it.
he said "real life... real life..." i got it, he may have real life situation! i dont mind that.
But "Ill install tomorrow / next day / cmon bro i have real life / i have family take care ... you have to pay me more..."
do you really think he is gonna refund me ?
should i call discord police ? - nah
i just wanted to show his real face.

1) I told you I was busy with something irl that I didn't plan for so the final agreement was the installation would take place on 9.10.
2) you posted my code for sale on 7.10 which means you KNEW you broke the agreement yet you still kept demanding an installation and then a refund after you realise I caught you.
3) you lied to my face about not trying to resell the code when I asked you
4) you used 2 accounts to talk to me to make me believe you had a friend who referred you to me in hope of getting free stuff in the future.

You can't get a refund since Ive delivered everything you paid for + you broke the agreement we had. That's how it works. If you break the agreement why should I still carry on with it as if nothing happened?

Overall this is a very sad display of what living in Turkey does to a person.

@swaga as far as I can see from the screenshots degika posted, you promised the installation "tomorrow" several times.
For example, on 3rd Oct. you promised "this evening/ tomorrow morning all done" ref: https://i.ibb.co/WB6r9sT/this-3.png Also, on 2 Oct. "tomorrow probably"

So, we can conclude that you did not comply with the agreement from trade.

[swaga]

I was quoting for reference, because this leads to a red flag.

Code:

You can ask for a refund if part of the terms is they are going to install the script or there is support for a specific time, you never resell a script you bought especially here in Bitcointalk you're going to get a tag for reselling without permission.

He never gonna refund me anything as he is only using discord channel (little empire for himself).
over 400+ $ ive paid for it.
he said "real life... real life..." i got it, he may have real life situation! i dont mind that.
But "Ill install tomorrow / next day / cmon bro i have real life / i have family take care ... you have to pay me more..."
do you really think he is gonna refund me ?
should i call discord police ? - nah
i just wanted to show his real face.

1) I told you I was busy with something irl that I didn't plan for so the final agreement was the installation would take place on 9.10.
2) you posted my code for sale on 7.10 which means you KNEW you broke the agreement yet you still kept demanding an installation and then a refund after you realise I caught you.
3) you lied to my face about not trying to resell the code when I asked you
4) you used 2 accounts to talk to me to make me believe you had a friend who referred you to me in hope of getting free stuff in the future.

You can't get a refund since Ive delivered everything you paid for + you broke the agreement we had. That's how it works. If you break the agreement why should I still carry on with it as if nothing happened?

Overall this is a very sad display of what living in Turkey does to a person.

@swaga as far as I can see from the screenshots degika posted, you promised the installation "tomorrow" several times.
For example, on 3rd Oct. you promised "this evening/ tomorrow morning all done" ref: https://i.ibb.co/WB6r9sT/this-3.png Also, on 2 Oct. "tomorrow probably"

So, we can conclude that you did not comply with the agreement from trade.

Ive also told him some irl things got in the way. He agreed to wait.
My friend who works with me also told him I had some irl issues and he agreed again to wait.
I don't know why he didn't post those screenshots too?

The issue could've been solved on 9th when i'd finally install the script for him but he chose to go against me.

[swaga]

Here are some screenshots he didn't care to post.

7.10. Saying he can wait. (same day, 10 hours after he posted our code for sale)
https://i.imgur.com/jEkPFhv.png

8.10. Saying he can wait. (1 day after he posted our code for sale) - I told him I'd install the script tomorrow not long after he sent that message at 9pm tho which HE AGREED
https://i.imgur.com/YNvMiWm.png

9.10. Lying he didn't post our code for sale. (same day the installation was supposed to take place)
https://i.imgur.com/XvnyLry.png


What more proof do you want to show you he is a scammer who tried to play me but failed miserably.

[examplens]

Ive also told him some irl things got in the way. He agreed to wait.
My friend who works with me also told him I had some irl issues and he agreed again to wait.
I don't know why he didn't post those screenshots too?

The issue could've been solved on 9th when i'd finally install the script for him but he chose to go against me.

These are just your words, and you haven't really earned a reputation for sticking to them.
You always can post proof here if it shows that there is a different agreement. Instead of doing that and giving all the explanations about this deal, as well as your participation in the ownership of the script, you decide to get into an argument and ask other members for evidence.
I saw he asked you to give them an exact date when you will finish this deal, why didn't you immediately say that you needed 10 days? At the very least, you should give him back the money you took to install the script.

[swaga]

These are just your words, and you haven't really earned a reputation for sticking to them.

We never had a set date - I was going through something irl and I had informed him about it - He agreed to wait each time. - This doesn't mean i didn't stick to the set date as it was never really set in the first place.

You always can post proof here if it shows that there is a different agreement.

He cherry picked 3 screenshots and yall jumped on me - After I posted 3 more screenshots suddenly theres not enough information??

I saw he asked you to give them an exact date when you will finish this deal, why didn't you immediately say that you needed 10 days?

Then when he asked me for an exact date I gave it - 9.10.2023.

At the very least, you should give him back the money you took to install the script.

I can't give him a refund for multiple reasons.
1) He broke the agreement we had - no reselling or leaking
2) he lied to me on multiple occasions
3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.
4) He agreed the installation would take place on 9.10. and then cancelled that agreement - regardless of whether i started the installation or not.

If you think the buyer who tries to manipulate, lie, scam and then ruin your business deserves a refund well God help you if you ever decide to sell something online.
Or better yet, message me once you do so we can repeat this with reversed roles  

[decodx]

I never presented the code as my own - the updates I did are my own.

You're lying again!

Here are just a few examples where you have stated that you believe you are allowed to claim the code as your own:

I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.

I plan to market it as my own since it is my own. Given enough code is changed Im allowed to call it my own.

Im sorry but our discussion has no point as you keep coming back to the same point where you claim "i scammed because I claimed i made the code" while in fact I never claimed that and if you joined my discord and did some actual research you'd realise that.

Give my earlier messages another read; I don't plan on rephrasing it just because it didn't click the first time. And, by the way, I'm not interested in your discord.

Also please let me know: How do I prove something doesnt exist? Logically and mathematically.

I didn't ask you to prove something that doesn't exist. I asked you to prove your statements,
specifically this:

It's not so black and white as people here make it seem. Phoenix gambling is a scamming group of people who stole the "code" and now is pretending they made it.
Original developers published their 1st version of the code long time ago and gave permission to anyone to change it, modify it and resell it.

and this:

Please note that Phoenix gambling is still selling the code full of bugs (over 100 of them) and they refuse to fix any - because they think its not necessary or because they cant? you decide.

If you can't back up your claims with solid evidence, it basically means you're making things up to spin a fake story.

You also inverted/twisted half of what I said about Klaus and Adam. All i said was: let them come here and show they made the code.

You're making things up again.  I didn't mention anything about those two. I clearly stated that it's not relevant to this discussion.

[degika]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

[swaga]

I never presented the code as my own - the updates I did are my own.

You're lying again!

Here are just a few examples where you have stated that you believe you are allowed to claim the code as your own:

I'm allowed to change the code that is public and brand it as my own given the enough code was changed.

I plan to market it as my own since it is my own. Given enough code is changed Im allowed to call it my own.

Im sorry but our discussion has no point as you keep coming back to the same point where you claim "i scammed because I claimed i made the code" while in fact I never claimed that and if you joined my discord and did some actual research you'd realise that.

Give my earlier messages another read; I don't plan on rephrasing it just because it didn't click the first time. And, by the way, I'm not interested in your discord.

Also please let me know: How do I prove something doesnt exist? Logically and mathematically.

I didn't ask you to prove something that doesn't exist. I asked you to prove your statements,
specifically this:

It's not so black and white as people here make it seem. Phoenix gambling is a scamming group of people who stole the "code" and now is pretending they made it.
Original developers published their 1st version of the code long time ago and gave permission to anyone to change it, modify it and resell it.

and this:

Please note that Phoenix gambling is still selling the code full of bugs (over 100 of them) and they refuse to fix any - because they think its not necessary or because they cant? you decide.

If you can't back up your claims with solid evidence, it basically means you're making things up to spin a fake story.

You also inverted/twisted half of what I said about Klaus and Adam. All i said was: let them come here and show they made the code.

You're making things up again.  I didn't mention anything about those two. I clearly stated that it's not relevant to this discussion.

You're very fast to accuse someone of lying, a true sign of an intellectual.

Let me paint you a picture here since you maybe don't understand the written word:

If i find a broken car in the middle of the road, all rusty and dusty and I take it home and fix it and then try to sell it -> IS THAT CAR MINE OR SOMEONE ELSES?
If i find an abandoned dog in a cardboard box and I take it home and it grows old with me -> IS THAT MY DOG OR SOMEONE ELSES?


If you're not interested in joining my discord to read what I wrote there then why should I go the extra mile to prove anything to you?

Whatever I write here won't be enough for you as you're clearly taking part in this discussion for some personal agenda.
I'm not going to go and dig through forums to find the original dev's post where he shared the code - thus I asked real "phoenix gambling" (not you, dont worry, you don't have to do anything) to prove they're the person in question (aka. original dev) - if they can prove that then I'll respect their wish and stop updating and selling the source code.

This all boils down to this: Bunch of people on this forum think they're competent to play the judge roles whilst the "phoenix gambling" doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.
Why is it that they can simply come here, leave one comment and suddenly they're marked as the sole owners and developers of the code in question?

Why is it that I have to keep jumping through hoops to prove that I'm in fact allowed to sell what I sell?
And lastly, if im not allowed to sell what i sell will the original owner please come here, present the proof of ownership and then inform me that I'm not allowed to do what i do?

Until that happens your comments won't hold any value and we both know that. You nor any other person on this forum can play the role of a judge and say this is right that is not right.
Why you ask? Because you're not informed enough - and you refuse to inform yourself on the matter - all you care is leaving a comment here, just as its the case with multiple other threads on this forum.

I suggest you go back and read all 3 threads again, spend some of your time googling and then come back and leave a comment that actually makes sense.

Also also, why don't you address the comment on the OP actively lying, trying to scam and manipulate me? How come you're only interested in the vigilantism that relates to my "wrongdoings"?


So, let's make it clear once and for all.
The source code that I used as a base - WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE FOR ALL TO SEE WITHOUT ANY "LICENCES" - I took the source code and fixed it (made it useable).
Unless the REAL OWNER can come here and prove their ownership + forbid me from selling it I will not stop selling it.

If the source code in question WAS in fact owned by "phoenix gambling" it would not be able to stand still on github for over 3 years - phoenix would be able to take it down.
WHY DON'T THEY TAKE IT DOWN THEN???

And if all this is not enough - here's a little trick we'll do.
I will NOT sell the base source code - I will give it out for free.
I will only sell updates for the free source code.

Does that work or am I not even allowed to sell 100% my own code, your Honor?

[swaga]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

You literally just proved my point. There is no "friend". You're using all those accounts yourself.
And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

Also heres something else: How come you had no problem taking the free version of goldsvet from Sarcasm's discord and then trying to sell it here?
How come that was all fine?

Lets face it, you're likely child with 0 coding knowledge who can only steal other peoples work and try to quickly resell it. Only this time you got caught so you made a show out of it.

[degika]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

You literally just proved my point. There is no "friend". You're using all those accounts yourself.
And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

You are Incorrect again!
ZenXo is different person which is very powerful and respectful person in tukish forums.
I got that ss from him.
i can even share our chat if you want.
Everything is clear from my side.
There is nothing to hide for myself also for ZenXo

And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

Stop lying check pragmatic games uplaod date also he have at google drive also. lol

https://screenrec.com/share/Uy4k71LoNG

[swaga]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

You literally just proved my point. There is no "friend". You're using all those accounts yourself.
And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

You are Incorrect again!
ZenXo is different person which is very powerful and respectful person in tukish forums.
I got that ss from him.
i can even share our chat if you want.
Everything is clear from my side.
There is nothing to hide for myself also for ZenXo

Why did you block me on telegram once I asked you to stop reselling my code?
I think anyone whith half a brain can see you tried to pull a quick scam here and you failed.

Btw, in your goldsvet thread - did you write a single line of that code?
If you have - please show it and I'll apologise.

[swaga]

Also decodx how come you don't comment anything on degika selling stolen source codes that have owners with real name and last name?
Why are you after me and not him?

I put in over 500 hours into this project, I made the code useable and bug free -> I get shit from people like you for "selling something that is not mine but the owner is nowhere to be seen".
He put exactly 0 hours into setting his sale threads in hopes some idiot buys something that is free AND unusable (aka. the games he sells can't even run and he admitted it) -> you defend him, with your life it seems.

[degika]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

You literally just proved my point. There is no "friend". You're using all those accounts yourself.
And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

You are Incorrect again!
ZenXo is different person which is very powerful and respectful person in tukish forums.
I got that ss from him.
i can even share our chat if you want.
Everything is clear from my side.
There is nothing to hide for myself also for ZenXo

Why did you block me on telegram once I asked you to stop reselling my code?
I think anyone whith half a brain can see you tried to pull a quick scam here and you failed.

Btw, in your goldsvet thread - did you write a single line of that code?
If you have - please show it and I'll apologise.

Where is the scam ?
Ive paid for it.
Codes ?
I am not developort but i know ZenXo also prepared installatin document with every detail but he never said, " this is my script, you cannot resell" unlike you.

https://screenrec.com/share/lgnwjcqDOU

[swaga]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

You literally just proved my point. There is no "friend". You're using all those accounts yourself.
And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

You are Incorrect again!
ZenXo is different person which is very powerful and respectful person in tukish forums.
I got that ss from him.
i can even share our chat if you want.
Everything is clear from my side.
There is nothing to hide for myself also for ZenXo

Why did you block me on telegram once I asked you to stop reselling my code?
I think anyone whith half a brain can see you tried to pull a quick scam here and you failed.

Btw, in your goldsvet thread - did you write a single line of that code?
If you have - please show it and I'll apologise.

Where is the scam ?
Ive paid for it.
Codes ?
I am not developort but i know ZenXo also prepared installatin document with every detail but he never said, " this is my script, you cannot resell" unlike you.

https://screenrec.com/share/lgnwjcqDOU

You took the installation document from Sarcasm's discord as well.
Also how come you claim it's completely bug free when it's not?
How come you sell pragmatic games for $600 when they're not even able to run?

Also if you ask where is scam? -> it says on my discord DON'T RESELL MY CODE.
If you want to sell code then take the free version from github and sell that. Why don't you do that??
Why is it more attractive to sell my version? maybe because it actually works??

[degika]

3) he used multiple accounts to contact me in hopes I would give him free stuff.

Free stuff ?
Our common friend already have everything that you have.
I know as he told me, he just ask you 1 simple question and 1 html file if possible, because you guys in same sector but you are also representing that games to ppl as a "Mobile" which is desktop version again.

https://screenrec.com/share/i1QcEzJNG0

Here what he have already and he shared with many ppl for free, not like you for money.

You literally just proved my point. There is no "friend". You're using all those accounts yourself.
And I myself gave you those files for free - which proves you actively manipulated me into giving you free stuff.

You are Incorrect again!
ZenXo is different person which is very powerful and respectful person in tukish forums.
I got that ss from him.
i can even share our chat if you want.
Everything is clear from my side.
There is nothing to hide for myself also for ZenXo

Why did you block me on telegram once I asked you to stop reselling my code?
I think anyone whith half a brain can see you tried to pull a quick scam here and you failed.

Btw, in your goldsvet thread - did you write a single line of that code?
If you have - please show it and I'll apologise.

Where is the scam ?
Ive paid for it.
Codes ?
I am not developort but i know ZenXo also prepared installatin document with every detail but he never said, " this is my script, you cannot resell" unlike you.

https://screenrec.com/share/lgnwjcqDOU

You took the installation document from Sarcasm's discord as well.
Also how come you claim it's completely bug free when it's not?
How come you sell pragmatic games for $600 when they're not even able to run?

Also if you ask where is scam? -> it says on my discord DON'T RESELL MY CODE.
If you want to sell code then take the free version from github and sell that. Why don't you do that??
Why is it more attractive to sell my version? maybe because it actually works??

Abosutely not!
He help to his discord group so many times.
Like i said when someone talks about you/your group always gets ban! wow
Because you guys have a big EGO, and thinking only you people knows something.
here response from ZenXo to you
https://screenrec.com/share/oMBXUtKLjT
He cant even run games ?
go try to fuck with him, he is former Godaddy Engineer

[swaga]

And lastly for any other person doubting me, watch the little demonstration and then come back and tell me I'm selling same thing as "phoenix gambling".
Better yet! Go to their site and go to my site and CHECK THE PLINKO FOR YOURSELF - DON'T TRUST MY WORD!!!

https://imgur.com/a/aycQDmk

Too many clowns on here to take this thread seriously anymore.
If anyone can get ahold of Phoenix - I'll sell them the plinko update for $5000 (BUT NOT THE BASE CODE - JUST THE UPDATE   )

[swaga]

and FINALLY:

here's the GoDaddy engineer (definitely not a broke fuck who can't afford to pay for someone elses work)

https://imgur.com/a/wzDArzd

[degika]

https://screenrec.com/share/uZWA8Uy6n5

here also real coder , there too much more
You are like golddigger. - he never told you about price, never asked you some money exchange of selling your work / just try to help you until we finds out you are real reseller
+
This guy just shortened the delay timer in plinko code - guess who says that ?

[decodx]

<!!!>

You're very fast to accuse someone of lying, a true sign of an intellectual.

Thanks for the compliment. Yes, I've successfully demonstrated that you don't seem to have any issues with lying, twisting facts, and not being entirely straightforward. Or do you wish to deny these statements?

Let me paint you a picture here since you maybe don't understand the written word:

If i find a broken car in the middle of the road, all rusty and dusty and I take it home and fix it and then try to sell it -> IS THAT CAR MINE OR SOMEONE ELSES?

If you find a broken car in the middle of the road, it doesn't automatically become yours. It's still someone else's property. I'm not sure where you live, but this analogy gives off major "dodgy neighborhood in a big city" vibes. You know, the kind where you can't even leave your car unattended for a hot minute without risking losing it, or at least the wheels!  

But this actually explains a lot. If you hold property rights in such low regard, it's not surprising that intellectual property doesn't get much of your attention either.

If i find an abandoned dog in a cardboard box and I take it home and it grows old with me -> IS THAT MY DOG OR SOMEONE ELSES?

Basically, it's the same situation as with a car. You're assuming the dog is abandoned, but that doesn't grant you the right of ownership. What if the dog is just lost, and the real owner is still looking for it?

/Once more, I'll skip a chunk of your text, which, imho, seems quite irrelevant or just a rehash of those wrong assumptions I've already explained for you./

So, let's make it clear once and for all.
The source code that I used as a base - WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE FOR ALL TO SEE WITHOUT ANY "LICENCES" - I took the source code and fixed it (made it useable).
Unless the REAL OWNER can come here and prove their ownership + forbid me from selling it I will not stop selling it.

And I'll explain to you once again, that's not how software licenses work. I don't know what you still don't understand. Even if you stumble upon the source code floating around on the internet, it doesn't automatically grant you the right to use it as you please. Without a license, it defaults to "all rights reserved."

You can read more about it here: Is my code FLOSS just because it is published it on GitHub?, or simply read the GitHub help pages: Licensing a repository

You're under no obligation to choose a license. However, without a license, the default copyright laws apply, meaning that you retain all rights to your source code and no one may reproduce, distribute, or create derivative works from your work.

If the source code in question WAS in fact owned by "phoenix gambling" it would not be able to stand still on github for over 3 years - phoenix would be able to take it down.
WHY DON'T THEY TAKE IT DOWN THEN???

Why on earth would they take down their own repository? Phoenix gambling (win5x) has made it abundantly clear why they made their source code public. But, you should understand that making source code public doesn't equate to giving up their copyright.

And if all this is not enough - here's a little trick we'll do.
I will NOT sell the base source code - I will give it out for free.
I will only sell updates for the free source code.

Does that work or am I not even allowed to sell 100% my own code, your Honor?

It's actually not a bad idea at all! I'm glad you're finally starting to understand. But there's a bit more to it. It depends on the specifics of your software's licensing. If the original code has certain open-source or free-to-use components, giving it out for free is typically fine, but selling updates or derivative works might be a grey area. It's not about not being allowed to sell your own code, it's about whether you can use the original code in that way. There are different kinds of software licenses, and I'm sure you're aware of that, which tell you what you can and can't do with the code. It all boils down to what the original author says and whether they're okay with it.

[swaga]

It all boils down to what the original author says and whether they're okay with it.

In that case we shall wait for the original author to show up, I'm completely fine with that outcome.

Now have you planned to comment on the OP's scummy ways or is that outside your jurisdiction, your honor?
If not, I'd suggest we end the discussion until the original author shows up.

[decodx]

It all boils down to what the original author says and whether they're okay with it.

In that case we shall wait for the original author to show up, I'm completely fine with that outcome.

So I take it that you will stop illegally selling a script you don't own the copyright to until you get the green light from the original author?

Why wait for authors to show up here? They have their contact information right there on their official website, and you can also reach out to them via their GitHub profile. This would definitely be a quicker and more straightforward means of communication.

Now have you planned to comment on the OP's scummy ways or is that outside your jurisdiction, your honor?
If not, I'd suggest we end the discussion until the original author shows up.

One thing at a time...

[swaga]

Why wait for authors to show up here? They have their contact information right there on their official website, and you can also reach out to them via their GitHub profile. This would definitely be a quicker and more straightforward means of communication.

One thing I still don't understand is why do you think they're original authors?

I'm genuinely curious would the real authors have over 10 scam reports on them (just the ones I know of)?
If you don't believe me about the scam reports I'll gladly contact those people to testify here, or ill just post screenshots.

Bbout the "illegal" selling of the code: I will continue to sell updates to the code. You can see it as form of DLC. You know for example "The crash that actually works - DLC"
or if you don't like the word DLC, how about mods?

And if all that is not enough, I won't sell anything, I will simply take donations and maybe give out some of my own DLCs for free.

[proxy3200]

Hi the download link is not working

[Kakmakr]

What a complicated web we weave .....

Who is the original developer of the code and did he give consent that his work could be sold? We cannot just take someone else's original code and then do some updates and start selling it, without their consent.

A buyer of the code can also not re-sell the code or even give it out for FREE, if he or she is not the owner of that code. So, both of you are in the wrong with this one....

My advice will be to get the inputs from the original owner of the code and to find out if it is public domain or proprietary ownership. 

[o48o]

-cut-
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
-cut-

Then why are you exposing others to this wallet drainer? This is a textbook example of how a wallet drainer scammers operate. I am not sure how gullible you think people in here are, but no one in their right mind would ever download or open any zip files from you. So you are targeting gullible greedy people. Which are probably broke already so i don't even get how this tactic works.

I won't touch either the zip file, i won't visit the site, nor i would touch this weird drama op is having with himself with his second account.

[Wiwo]

-cut-
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
-cut-

Then why are you exposing others to this wallet drainer? This is a textbook example of how a wallet drainer scammers operate. I am not sure how gullible you think people in here are, but no one in their right mind would ever download or open any zip files from you. So you are targeting gullible greedy people. Which are probably broke already so i don't even get how this tactic works.

I won't touch either the zip file, i won't visit the site, nor i would touch this weird drama op is having with himself with his second account.

Some member thinks that this forum is so full of members who doesn't know any thing as regards to security,  mean while our main concern here in the forum is sharing knowledge most especially knowledge on how best to secure ourselves and what we should look out for at all time and in as much as I know,  is very rear to see any member of this forum paying any attention on external link shared,  most especially links that require you to download any file.

Because we are well aware of the risk associated with such things as link,  since hackers and scamers use that methods to penetrate into someone account.

[PhoenixGambling]

As we bought from one guy, he toke money and never install that script/service.
We decide to share to public, including installation document.
Demo : https://demoscript.online/
Note - do not buy from them, when they get money , they never answer or asking more money...
Good luck.

http://185.224.83.93/casino.zip

Edit - I will update download link soon
For Installation Document
TG - @zenXXo

Hello again everyone. Once again we accidentally came across a similar topic. I want to say that you are all scammers and want to get easy money for our free version. If you want to get the same thing - what these people are selling, download our free version in Github without backdoors and scam. @LoyceV asked us to confirm that this account is official, no problem. Please assign our account the status of the rightful owner so that we can expose such sellers. https://phoenix-gambling.com/Bitcointalk.txt

And yet, when you already understand that you will never buy a high-quality script for $100, and even more so if you are planning to open sites with such a budget, you are fools.
You can always contact the official developers. Let me tell you that 99 percent of what is sold on this forum is our free version.
phoenix-gambling.com

[erickbtc]

SCAM ALERT

This guy has scammed me, first he blocked me after I paid with Bitcoin and then he unblocked me to request more money, I have lost more than $500. STAY ALERT WITH THIS SELLER, TELEGRAM SCAM.

In the end he gave me a Casino Script that sucks and is not developed by him, it is from another developer, that is, he has delivered an old non-functional version. COMFIRMED SCAM.

He is also using this profile to scam people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2819139

And this is the sales thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416980.0

[seoincorporation]

SCAM ALERT

This guy has scammed me, first he blocked me after I paid with Bitcoin and then he unblocked me to request more money, I have lost more than $500. STAY ALERT WITH THIS SELLER, TELEGRAM SCAM.

In the end he gave me a Casino Script that sucks and is not developed by him, it is from another developer, that is, he has delivered an old non-functional version. COMFIRMED SCAM.

He is also using this profile to scam people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2819139

And this is the sales thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416980.0

Thanks for the warning erickbtc.

Feel free to use the trust system on the forum and leave negative feedback on the user profile if you get scammed, that way users will be careful while making deals with him again.

Sorry for the loss, but remember, this kind of software isn't cheap at all, no one will sell you a crypto casino for $500. That's just too good to be real.

[swaga]

SCAM ALERT

This guy has scammed me, first he blocked me after I paid with Bitcoin and then he unblocked me to request more money, I have lost more than $500. STAY ALERT WITH THIS SELLER, TELEGRAM SCAM.

In the end he gave me a Casino Script that sucks and is not developed by him, it is from another developer, that is, he has delivered an old non-functional version. COMFIRMED SCAM.

He is also using this profile to scam people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2819139

And this is the sales thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416980.0

Thanks for the warning erickbtc.

Feel free to use the trust system on the forum and leave negative feedback on the user profile if you get scammed, that way users will be careful while making deals with him again.

Sorry for the loss, but remember, this kind of software isn't cheap at all, no one will sell you a crypto casino for $500. That's just too good to be real.

User is an alt of Softhodl. Check my scam report on those two for proof.
Also make sure to check their webshop - it's full of nonsense and is clearly a scam.

Quite sad to see such a seasoned member agree with a scam accusation without seeing ANY proof.
If I scammed anyone - send me chat logs + txid of transaction and I'll look into it.
Funny how his accusations started the same day I exposed Softhodl as a scamming webshop.

Ive left you a neutral feedback. Will delete after you look into this. Agreeing with someone accusing other person of scamming with 0 proof is ridiculous.