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October 23, 2023, 10:59:30 AM
Last edit: October 23, 2023, 12:10:40 PM by angrybirdy
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I also believe that he is spending way more on gambling than the subscription of $20 on his new shinny console, he is enjoying himself so let him, and if you think that gaming will destroy him just like gambling then you don't know the difference, the urge to play video games is different from the urge to make a fortune with gambling, one is less addictive than the other.
However, he will still become addicted to video games and can spend the whole day without doing other activities. But at least he had saved much money instead of using it for gambling. And maybe later, he can find a way to make money from playing video games.

If he could make money, that would be a great way. He could even benefit from playing video games but he has to find a way. That's like what I saw in some young people playing video games on smartphones.

They enthusiastically played the video game and answered that it could make money when I asked about it. But I don't know how because I didn't ask further.
I think changing his addiction to video games is much better and safer because it helps to lessen the expenses as well as the possibility of losing a huge amount of money. It is also much safer than using the 100% addiction withdrawal method which causes many psychological side effects to the person. Cross-addiction can occur because addictive behaviors often stem from underlying psychological and emotional issues that are not fully resolved, leaving individuals vulnerable to developing new addictive patterns to fill the void left by the initial addiction.



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October 23, 2023, 11:18:54 AM
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It's a lot better than losing that $100 though imo. While you still stand to lose something, at the very least, in the case of the subscription-based game he knows damn well it's a game so even if addiction sets in, it'd only damage his time at most which can be handled a lot easier compared to what you spend on gambling, money. And considering all things, it's honestly a huge step imo, at the very least there's something that's happening and not just a stagnant consideration of the "I want to change" idea. Considering how he has no issues living I don't think money is an issue anyway, so I reckon he can take his time with tiring himself out. No matter the game, there's always a limit at a certain point anyway.

I hope its FFXIV especially since a new class is about to be released. Worthwhile game to be addicted in.

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October 23, 2023, 11:20:02 AM
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Personally, I don't see anything wrong when an addiction is replaced by another addiction, for example, one that requires less money. If a person instead of replacing an old addiction simply acquires a new one, it is a completely different situation. Instead of one addiction, he gets two. In my opinion, this is where the greatest danger may lie.

One of my friends liked to drink alcohol while gambling, but when he started to smoke marijuana he stopped controlling himself. This led to him not only losing all his money, but also getting into unpleasant situations in the casino.

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October 23, 2023, 11:40:36 AM
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I didn't know this and I've never heard of it, I just found out that something like this exists.
But for me what he did is good, because most of the people who are addicted to gambling find it difficult to avoid it and he found a new hobby to entertain himself. I think that's a good sign, $500 to $20 he is slowly avoiding gambling.

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October 23, 2023, 12:43:57 PM
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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?


This is the first time I read about cross-addiction, and based on the article you provided it is still an addiction that needs to be cured, you are still not safe even if you do cross-addiction in all forms and likes of addiction is dangerous, instead of trying cross addiction it's better to get the help of a professional, there are severe cross addictions that should deal with.
I also don't recommend cross-addiction you may become worse from your previous addiction, addiction or cross-addiction are not good for the mental, relationships, and finances of the individual and should be avoided at all costs.

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October 23, 2023, 01:44:19 PM
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He can also decide to gamble with $20 monthly if he choose to. He can use $20 to gamble 40 times and more on gambling. But if he is addicted and want to stop gambling, I think that is a good approach, but in a way nothing will take money from him and seeing it as a way to stop an addiction.

Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
I have not heard about it before, but it looks like something that happened to me. I was addicted to gambling before, I stopped the addiction and I have control over myself when it comes to gambling, but I later got addicted in trading. Trading is not gambling but moving from gambling to trading, I think this is an example of cross addiction.
The fact that you shifted your addiction into another addiction, then most likely you are experiencing cross addiction. The good thing is you end up with positive addiction which means if you have control on your emotions and you trade with knowledge and honed skills, then your addiction will eventually lead you into being profitable in trading. It's like you started with destructive addiction and then you end up with constructive addiction which brings advantage on your part.

However, the fact that it's still an addiction, and that you abuse yourself from doing it, then there are still chances that it will still be damaging on your part. Gambling is different from trading, but if you trade without control and you don't know when to trade and when not to, then you are still doing trading like gambling. In that case, it won't still be beneficial for you in the end.

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October 23, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
- I think it's not unusual in this day and age because there are so many forms of entertainment that can lead to addiction. When we try to break a habit or addiction, we often seek out something else to occupy the time we used to spend on our previous addiction, thinking it will help us forget about it. But it's a bit like a cycle - we move from one habit to another. Unfortunately, these new habits often have some connection to the old addiction.
- This could be termed as a cross-addiction, as you mentioned, or a cycle of addiction. Only a few people have the courage to adopt a new, healthy habit or addiction, like getting addicted to sports, for instance. However, that group is quite small because, like sports, it isn't always easy to start with.


Agree with this.
We often tell a person who is an addict that the best way to combat addiction is to to find other activities that he/she is interested into as a form of distraction. 
In my opinion, cross addiction will be a bad thing if the habit we replace to our previous habit is just as equivalent as what we have replaced. For example, if someone is addicted to gambling, then his replacement would be drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes. Then we can say that this is a complete cycle of addiction because this is just as harmful as being a gambling addict because it's still harmful for him especially for his health. But is it possible that cross addiction can be a good thing? For instance, a gambling addict seeks out an alternative way of coping with his addiction by playing computer or mobile games. Yes, we can say that there is still an addiction but it is less harmful for him because it does not involve any amount of money.
Doesnt matter if its some another addiction came from another addiction, the importance on here is that you do make out such step or action just to make things more lesser when it comes to finance
expenses and at the same time you are really that lessening the risks on messing up with your entire financial condition which we know that gambling could possibly give.
So i would say that it wont really be that much a wrong thing about doing those side addiction or whatever been called as cross addiction as long you do see that it is really just that a better
choice or alternative then do it.Basing up on the situation on having that video game addiction which causes for you to spend $20 for a month which is way far more better than on
spending hundreds in a month. You wont really be that so dumb on not to see the main differences.

It is really just that there are really people who are really that always not like the word addiction but if you do see this as your choice then go with it.
But honestly we could really be able to resolve things without needing to touch for some another problem but if you do see this as your option and temporal
then its not a bad consideration of things.
Sure, if one drug costs less than the other, it makes sense to pick that one. Isnt that too simple, though? Doesnt that only scratch the top of a bigger, more complicated problem? Problems arise when people become addicted to things, like computer games or gambling. Its not always just money that costs something. What about the hours lost, the stressful situations, and the mental stress?

Critics laugh at the word "addiction." They look down upon it and are prejudiced against it. Its your choice if you think of your road as a choice. But lets be factual. Picking a cheaper vice isnt the only thing that matters. It has to do with looking at the bigger picture and how it affects your life as a whole. Whats the point of choosing the less bad option? Why not try to live a life free of any addictions?

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October 23, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
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Personally, I don't see anything wrong when an addiction is replaced by another addiction, for example, one that requires less money. If a person instead of replacing an old addiction simply acquires a new one, it is a completely different situation. Instead of one addiction, he gets two. In my opinion, this is where the greatest danger may lie.

One of my friends liked to drink alcohol while gambling, but when he started to smoke marijuana he stopped controlling himself. This led to him not only losing all his money, but also getting into unpleasant situations in the casino.
There is nothing wrong in replacing an addiction with another addiction that requires less or no money and also doesn't have any severe impacts on one's personal and professional lives, and physical and mental health. An addict that only requires less money but has more severe consequences isn't good, obviously. For example, as you said your friend started smoking marijuana when he was already in a habit of drinking alcohol, in this case, even if marijuana costs him less and he leaves alcohol for it, he didn't do anything good for himself since he left one bad addiction for another.

So, when we talk about cross-addiction, one should use that in the best way possible. If you want to leave an addiction, you should find something that will keep you away from your previous addiction and wouldn't really keep you completely bound both with your time and money and you should feel that you won't really feel a lot different if you don't do the second thing every day.

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October 23, 2023, 06:53:23 PM
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He was right. Paying $20 per month is actually much cheaper than getting addicted in gambling. Plus money isn't the only thing that is involved there. It can also destroy your mental, physical, etc.. health, as well as threatening other peoples life. You want him to face his addiction instead but do you know how hard it is? One remedies about it is getting a professional help which can also cost a lot.

Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
This was my first time hearing the term but I already experienced it. I even use it as an explanation before when commenting on a gambling thread. It was also gambling is the activity that I'm hooked at, and I said I will try to divert my attention on playing mobile games. It worked but the only difference of me from the guy in the story is I don't make in-game purchases.

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October 24, 2023, 02:22:43 AM
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I also believe that he is spending way more on gambling than the subscription of $20 on his new shinny console, he is enjoying himself so let him, and if you think that gaming will destroy him just like gambling then you don't know the difference, the urge to play video games is different from the urge to make a fortune with gambling, one is less addictive than the other.
However, he will still become addicted to video games and can spend the whole day without doing other activities. But at least he had saved much money instead of using it for gambling. And maybe later, he can find a way to make money from playing video games.

If he could make money, that would be a great way. He could even benefit from playing video games but he has to find a way. That's like what I saw in some young people playing video games on smartphones.

They enthusiastically played the video game and answered that it could make money when I asked about it. But I don't know how because I didn't ask further.
I think changing his addiction to video games is much better and safer because it helps to lessen the expenses as well as the possibility of losing a huge amount of money. It is also much safer than using the 100% addiction withdrawal method which causes many psychological side effects to the person. Cross-addiction can occur because addictive behaviors often stem from underlying psychological and emotional issues that are not fully resolved, leaving individuals vulnerable to developing new addictive patterns to fill the void left by the initial addiction.
And as long as his new addiction isn't dangerous in reducing his money losses, maybe it could be a solution for him. But even though his addiction to video games is much better and safer, he also needs to find other activities so he doesn't play games all day. It will also reduce his gaming addiction so that he can benefit from doing other activities.

I used to have a friend who played video games every day until he didn't do anything else. His parents advised him to leave the house to see new things but he didn't want to. That has been going on for years, but he doesn't experience it anymore because he now works in an office.

So reducing addiction really depends on the person. If he can feel and realize that he has an addiction and wants to reduce it or cure it, he must find something else to do. And if he can do other things regularly, he can cure his addiction.

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October 24, 2023, 10:40:21 AM
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Addiction to video game is much more better.

There is no slightest form of panic in you, as there is nothing to lose here, spending a certain amount on games every month makes sense because if it's costing you just $20 and you are making a lot more than this amount, why not? We only life once.

Playing video games only turn addiction if you can't drop the pad and go to work, sitting in front of your monitor or TV all day is signs of irresponsible person.

I know some guys in the U.S Illinios, they are hard working and very responsible, one is taking care of their grand mother till date and he isn't the only child of his family, these guys are hardcore gamers, and they don't joke with their life, savings and investments, see? You deserve to have all the fun you can get while grinding hard.

A famous musician once said that " Work hard and Play hard". You won't always be here.

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October 24, 2023, 06:31:50 PM
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And as long as his new addiction isn't dangerous in reducing his money losses, maybe it could be a solution for him. But even though his addiction to video games is much better and safer, he also needs to find other activities so he doesn't play games all day. It will also reduce his gaming addiction so that he can benefit from doing other activities.

I used to have a friend who played video games every day until he didn't do anything else. His parents advised him to leave the house to see new things but he didn't want to. That has been going on for years, but he doesn't experience it anymore because he now works in an office.

So reducing addiction really depends on the person. If he can feel and realize that he has an addiction and wants to reduce it or cure it, he must find something else to do. And if he can do other things regularly, he can cure his addiction.

It can still be a vicious circle because a video game addiction has consequences that could intensify other problems in life, which in turn leads to other addictions or the former addiction to come into effect again and this time maybe even worse. Video game addictions definitely contributes negatively to the social bondings being neglected. If this is the case and the person loses friendships over time, what is that person going to do when he decides to end the video game addiction and instead do some great stuff, but with whom? The risk then is that gambling may be a thing again to kill some time.

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I didn't know this and I've never heard of it, I just found out that something like this exists.
But for me what he did is good, because most of the people who are addicted to gambling find it difficult to avoid it and he found a new hobby to entertain himself. I think that's a good sign, $500 to $20 he is slowly avoiding gambling.
While the amount of money that the friend of the OP is spending is going down and that is a good thing, this is only one of the negative aspects of being addicted, since there have been cases on the past of people that were so addicted to video games they literally dropped dead after playing for several days without sleeping or eating.

With this in mind it is important that this person understands the imminent danger he is facing and takes the appropriate measures to leave all addictions behind for good.

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October 26, 2023, 11:39:00 AM
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And as long as his new addiction isn't dangerous in reducing his money losses, maybe it could be a solution for him. But even though his addiction to video games is much better and safer, he also needs to find other activities so he doesn't play games all day. It will also reduce his gaming addiction so that he can benefit from doing other activities.

I used to have a friend who played video games every day until he didn't do anything else. His parents advised him to leave the house to see new things but he didn't want to. That has been going on for years, but he doesn't experience it anymore because he now works in an office.

So reducing addiction really depends on the person. If he can feel and realize that he has an addiction and wants to reduce it or cure it, he must find something else to do. And if he can do other things regularly, he can cure his addiction.

It can still be a vicious circle because a video game addiction has consequences that could intensify other problems in life, which in turn leads to other addictions or the former addiction to come into effect again and this time maybe even worse. Video game addictions definitely contributes negatively to the social bondings being neglected. If this is the case and the person loses friendships over time, what is that person going to do when he decides to end the video game addiction and instead do some great stuff, but with whom? The risk then is that gambling may be a thing again to kill some time.
Yes, it's still a vicious circle because he just transferred his addiction to video games and didn't try to solve his addiction. He should be able to stop his gambling addiction first and then play video games but with restrictions too.

Those who often play video games will eventually lose their friendships. He only cares about video games rather than doing other more useful things. It can reduce his addiction to playing video games and he can also do other things.

Hopefully, he can realize his mistake and decide to reduce his habit of playing video games. He needs to open himself to the environment around him to discover something new. It would benefit him.

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October 26, 2023, 02:26:18 PM
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I also believe that he is spending way more on gambling than the subscription of $20 on his new shinny console, he is enjoying himself so let him, and if you think that gaming will destroy him just like gambling then you don't know the difference, the urge to play video games is different from the urge to make a fortune with gambling, one is less addictive than the other.
However, he will still become addicted to video games and can spend the whole day without doing other activities. But at least he had saved much money instead of using it for gambling. And maybe later, he can find a way to make money from playing video games.

If he could make money, that would be a great way. He could even benefit from playing video games but he has to find a way. That's like what I saw in some young people playing video games on smartphones.

They enthusiastically played the video game and answered that it could make money when I asked about it. But I don't know how because I didn't ask further.
I think changing his addiction to video games is much better and safer because it helps to lessen the expenses as well as the possibility of losing a huge amount of money. It is also much safer than using the 100% addiction withdrawal method which causes many psychological side effects to the person. Cross-addiction can occur because addictive behaviors often stem from underlying psychological and emotional issues that are not fully resolved, leaving individuals vulnerable to developing new addictive patterns to fill the void left by the initial addiction.

That's right, it's better to turn your attention to something else than to stick to gambling knowing that it won't end well.

This is what we really need, if you know you can't stop gambling forever, look for something else that you will enjoy. Take it easy, don't rush it. We know that it's really hard to avoid gambling, especially when you're addicted to it, but we can still cure it, just trust yourself.

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Cross, double, triple etc will make someone become worse since they can't even able to recover from one addiction, but they're can get addicted by any other thing. It's not really about gambling, but there are other cases that way higher than gambling e.g. sex and drugs. Most of people who get this addictions mostly have a bad ending, it can kill themselves, while gambling only losing money.

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October 26, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
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Cross, double, triple etc will make someone become worse since they can't even able to recover from one addiction, but they're can get addicted by any other thing. It's not really about gambling, but there are other cases that way higher than gambling e.g. sex and drugs. Most of people who get this addictions mostly have a bad ending, it can kill themselves, while gambling only losing money.

Of course if we talk about sex and drug addiction, it will be worse than gambling addiction. However, if someone wants to change their gambling addiction, they will definitely choose something with less risk, such as playing PS4, or other entertainment that doesn't require a lot of money. I am sure that no one is addicted to gambling and then transfers their gambling addiction to things with more negative values ​​such as sex and drugs.

Treating gambling addiction is not easy, diverting attention to other hobbies may be effective, and there is no harm in trying.
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I didn't know this and I've never heard of it, I just found out that something like this exists.
But for me what he did is good, because most of the people who are addicted to gambling find it difficult to avoid it and he found a new hobby to entertain himself. I think that's a good sign, $500 to $20 he is slowly avoiding gambling.

What may work with him may not be thesame way applicable for others as effective enough for them to use in stopping addiction, though I also agrees with you that one of the best ways to kicked against addiction is to introduce something new and better, if this is rine and good by the person involved then it does not have to necessarily be perfect in our own eyes before it can be effective for him, personal determination also work along way in dealing with addiction, this is a first move expected before going to the next and the withdrawal continue to set in gradually and not at once.

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I also believe that he is spending way more on gambling than the subscription of $20 on his new shinny console, he is enjoying himself so let him, and if you think that gaming will destroy him just like gambling then you don't know the difference, the urge to play video games is different from the urge to make a fortune with gambling, one is less addictive than the other.
However, he will still become addicted to video games and can spend the whole day without doing other activities. But at least he had saved much money instead of using it for gambling. And maybe later, he can find a way to make money from playing video games.

If he could make money, that would be a great way. He could even benefit from playing video games but he has to find a way. That's like what I saw in some young people playing video games on smartphones.

They enthusiastically played the video game and answered that it could make money when I asked about it. But I don't know how because I didn't ask further.
I think changing his addiction to video games is much better and safer because it helps to lessen the expenses as well as the possibility of losing a huge amount of money. It is also much safer than using the 100% addiction withdrawal method which causes many psychological side effects to the person. Cross-addiction can occur because addictive behaviors often stem from underlying psychological and emotional issues that are not fully resolved, leaving individuals vulnerable to developing new addictive patterns to fill the void left by the initial addiction.

Do you think that the gambler who is used to gambling with real money and who is used to gaining money from gambling, will quit gambling and start playing video games where is have no chance to win any money  Huh

This is highly unlikely to happen as gamblers will need something from where they can make easy money and video games are not the replacement of gambling/casino games.

I don't think that anything can be a substitute for gambling  Roll Eyes

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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
I've never experienced this before but I once met someone who used to be my friend but now who knows where he goes, he definitely has a gambling problem or we call it a gambling addiction, but when he tries to avoid gambling, he looks for other alternatives to not be addicted to gambling anymore. tried to do illegal racing and this was the same as betting only in smaller amounts but I also asked him what his goal was to leave gambling but instead became addicted to betting on illegal racing and he answered that he actually wanted to stop betting on gambling but he was confused about finding a better alternative positive so he decided to bet on illegal racing and tried to find other solutions to continue to avoid betting slowly because he realized that if he was addicted, stopping immediately was very difficult. so the cross-addiction scenario that someone I know experienced was just a small attempt to slowly get away from gambling or casinos.

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