Should there be sub forums under Scam Accusations?

[DaveF]

Instead of just Scam Accusations should there be:

Scam Accusations  -> Exchanges
Scam Accusations  -> Casinos
Scam Accusations ->Projects
Scam Accusations  -> People

Just wondering if it would actually cause more people to look in on things that interest them instead of seeing a mess of things that do not.
If you spend a lot of time in crypto casinos, you would want to look in there, but you don't care about the dozens of posts about the fact that the newest scam token is a scam.

Same with exchanges, if you don't gamble you may miss the issues that started happening with your favorite exchange since it buried within all the other posts.

Just a thought. Would not require massive changes to the board in general, just more of a cleaning up thing. Might make it better, might make it worse.

-Dave

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[Little Mouse]

Scam Accusations  -> Casinos

There are a lot of scam accusations about casinos. We get them almost every day. It would be good to have an individual sub forum for this. However, I would rather attach this sub-forum under the Gambling section. I guess that's where it would better suit as we see a lot of newbies post scam accusations on the gambling section.

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There is one sub board under scam accusation called investigation, which I do not visit.

Look at scam accusation board now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Since today has almost ended, remaining just 6 hours and 50 minutes, only 7 posts has been under scam accusation board.

If I should answer the question, becuase of low posts on scam accusation board, no need for sub board.

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Just a thought. Would not require massive changes to the board in general, just more of a cleaning up thing. Might make it better, might make it worse.

Maybe this is a good idea, but I think that in reality it only complicates things further. Many individual scam accusations do not even have the basic form that is expected in order to have an easier insight into where the problem is. Even many have not presented relevant evidence, especially newbies who just came to present the problem and ask for help.

Perhaps a more straightforward solution is to write on the subject of the topic for example [Casinos], [Exchange] etc... But even that would be too much, because hardly anyone even emphasizes [Solved], which is much more important because it directly affects someone's reputation.

[Adbitco]

The scam accusation section is enough to report scammers in my opinion it's better to add the scam accusation at the gambling section so that whomever that wants to visit any casino or gambling site can easily finds it there and then be very cautious of the one to get started with. There are some users who doesn't discover the accusations or regularly visit there to know what casinos that has good reputation to gamble on. Additional subforum can either makes it complicated whereby there may be some section where they won't visit at all, just the above user said of the investigation board I can't remember when last I have posted there or even posted there before. Although is a nice idea anyway.

[Faisal2202]

Scam Accusations  -> Exchanges
Same with exchanges, if you don't gamble you may miss the issues that started happening with your favorite exchange since it buried within all the other posts.

Just a thought. Would not require massive changes to the board in general, just more of a cleaning up thing. Might make it better, might make it worse.

You are a Tidy person, who wants everything to be in place. I like that, I also like things to be arranged in a manner way. Well, I have tracked each and every big section including the Scam Accusations and from the last 2 months, I can tell you, the number of new topics created in Scam Accusations is too low, then how can you say the important scam accusations about exchanges are buried under others. Okay, I got it, when a person makes a reply, the old topic goes up and the good ones, go below like to 3rd or maybe 5th pages.

But, won't it happen even when we make all the boards? Like if we make a sub-board of exchange in scam accusations, will good topics/accusations will not be buried under the new ones? They will, but I really liked your idea as things will be more arranged.

A messed up board is the one, nobody wants to visit, the best practice, if we want to know about the accusation of some exchange is to search about it, on ninjastic or using the search box.

[Igebotz]

There is one sub board under scam accusation called investigation, which I do not visit.

Look at scam accusation board now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Since today has almost ended, remaining just 6 hours and 50 minutes, only 7 posts has been under scam accusation board.

If I should answer the question, becuase of low posts on scam accusation board, no need for sub board.

I disagree With you. The scam accusations board had 1331 number of posts last month from 235 posters. The Board is not as quiet as you may assume, and having a sub-board for easy navigation will be quite helpful because frequently, posts about scam projects and loan defaulters are buried for complaints about casino scams.

[DaveF]

The scam accusation section is enough to report scammers in my opinion it's better to add the scam accusation at the gambling section so that whomever that wants to visit any casino or gambling site can easily finds it there and then be very cautious of the one to get started with. There are some users who doesn't discover the accusations or regularly visit there to know what casinos that has good reputation to gamble on. Additional subforum can either makes it complicated whereby there may be some section where they won't visit at all, just the above user said of the investigation board I can't remember when last I have posted there or even posted there before. Although is a nice idea anyway.

Didn't think about that.
Possibly a separate board about gambling scam accusations under gambling and all the others in a generic scam board since it does look like 75%+ of the scam complaints are about casinos.

There is one sub board under scam accusation called investigation, which I do not visit.

Look at scam accusation board now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Since today has almost ended, remaining just 6 hours and 50 minutes, only 7 posts has been under scam accusation board.

If I should answer the question, becuase of low posts on scam accusation board, no need for sub board.

I disagree With you. The scam accusations board had 1331 number of posts last month from 235 posters. The Board is not as quiet as you may assume, and having a sub-board for easy navigation will be quite helpful because frequently, posts about scam projects and loan defaulters are buried for complaints about casino scams.

That is part of the issue, the sheer amount of casino scam accusations causes everything else to get buried.  

Scam Accusations  -> Exchanges
Same with exchanges, if you don't gamble you may miss the issues that started happening with your favorite exchange since it buried within all the other posts.

Just a thought. Would not require massive changes to the board in general, just more of a cleaning up thing. Might make it better, might make it worse.

You are a Tidy person, who wants everything to be in place. I like that, I also like things to be arranged in a manner way. Well, I have tracked each and every big section including the Scam Accusations and from the last 2 months, I can tell you, the number of new topics created in Scam Accusations is too low, then how can you say the important scam accusations about exchanges are buried under others. Okay, I got it, when a person makes a reply, the old topic goes up and the good ones, go below like to 3rd or maybe 5th pages.

But, won't it happen even when we make all the boards? Like if we make a sub-board of exchange in scam accusations, will good topics/accusations will not be buried under the new ones? They will, but I really liked your idea as things will be more arranged.

A messed up board is the one, nobody wants to visit, the best practice, if we want to know about the accusation of some exchange is to search about it, on ninjastic or using the search box.

Heh, I don't think in the 50+ years I have been alive the word tidy has been used to describe me.

The problem with the search here is it's far from perfect so someone doing a quick search might miss it and going to ninjastic or someplace else although good for the users in the know, others who don't use the forum as much and don't know about that or Loyces post scraper either will never see some things.

Maybe this is a good idea, but I think that in reality it only complicates things further. Many individual scam accusations do not even have the basic form that is expected in order to have an easier insight into where the problem is. Even many have not presented relevant evidence, especially newbies who just came to present the problem and ask for help.

Perhaps a more straightforward solution is to write on the subject of the topic for example [Casinos], [Exchange] etc... But even that would be too much, because hardly anyone even emphasizes [Solved], which is much more important because it directly affects someone's reputation.

Perhaps harsher moderation might be needed. If it's not in the scam report format: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 or something close to it the mod has the duty to delete it and tell the poster to try again. Kind of like messing up an assignment in school and having the teacher tell you to do it again.

Might be a bit harsh, but it could clean up a lot.

-Dave

[SamReomo]

Possibly a separate board about gambling scam accusations under gambling and all the others in a generic scam board since it does look like 75%+ of the scam complaints are about casinos.

I agree that such kind of sub-board is needed in gambling board so that any casino that frauds with its customers will be reported at that board instead of scam accusation board. But, I think that it would be better to add that sub-board in scam accusations as that would be more suitable for such board. There have been many scam accusations against gambling sites and I believe that a sub-board dedicated to gambling scam accusations is highly needed.

Most of the accusations are against the gambling sites because most of the frauds take place at gambling sites. We really have to think about such board and I'm pretty sure that such board will help so many users who get scammed by gambling sites. That way users will be able to find all gambling casinos scams easily by browsing that sub-board.

[snowpega]

Overall i would say i like the OP idea. i can make things less massive like alot of newbies come to promote scam using their new account. which may relate to gambling or any scam token. i had that kinda experience, someone was trying to promote the crypto exchange which was related to AI like according to him/her the exchange was totally AI based we just need to put amount and it will generate profit for us and we need not to do anything at all.

I feel the way he/she was trying to emphasising the use of that AI based exchange which i don't think so much reliable in way he was trying to promote very hardly. The funniest thing i found there he was doing it with newbie account. At the end i would say your idea is quite Good.

[bittraffic]

Scam accusation is already a subforum and it will add 4 more child forums. Somehow it's neat and easier to navigate and find scam accusations on one page but over time, they piled up til sent to 2nd to a hundred more pages also. If a user wanted to look for a particular scam accusation, they could also use the search box. The 2024, kids seem to be aware of to use of Google and search boxes already.

[Stalker22]

The scam accusation section is enough to report scammers in my opinion it's better to add the scam accusation at the gambling section so that whomever that wants to visit any casino or gambling site can easily finds it there and then be very cautious of the one to get started with. There are some users who doesn't discover the accusations or regularly visit there to know what casinos that has good reputation to gamble on. Additional subforum can either makes it complicated whereby there may be some section where they won't visit at all, just the above user said of the investigation board I can't remember when last I have posted there or even posted there before. Although is a nice idea anyway.

Didn't think about that.
Possibly a separate board about gambling scam accusations under gambling and all the others in a generic scam board since it does look like 75%+ of the scam complaints are about casinos.

Separating the gambling accusations from the rest of the scam accusations seems like a pretty good idea to me.  I was not around back when the board was first created, but looking at some of those old topics it definitely seems like it started off being a place for people to call out scams happening between members here on the forum.  But over time, especially once we got that whole Gambling section and tons of crypto casinos popped up everywhere it kinda shifted to be all about shady stuff those casinos are up to.  But not everybody here cares about gambling stuff.  So cleaning up the scam accusations board to just be for non-gambling scams could make things easier to follow for most folks.

Plus it will keep things more focused instead of having accusations about like a million different things all jumbled together.

[Adbitco]

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Didn't think about that.
Possibly a separate board about gambling scam accusations under gambling and all the others in a generic scam board since it does look like 75%+ of the scam complaints are about casinos.

Yeah that is the easier way for users to effectively finds those gambling site that are trusted although it can be regularly visit at that section than the accusations board where it is now, it will be easily accessible to gamblers and most at times there could be a highlight of the most reputable casino and gambling site.

From my personal view, that is the only way people can be very mindful with those site, to me the sections where it's now seems to be hiding those site with their evil did but if it was moved to gambling section believe me no one would chose a bad casino to gamble knowing too well that they had a bad records over the years or months than creating additional subforum instead it should be added over while the scam accusations section can be for either users and some altcoin or loan defaulter although someone mentioned this above.

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Possibly a separate board about gambling scam accusations under gambling and all the others in a generic scam board since it does look like 75%+ of the scam complaints are about casinos.

Since the highest percentage of scam complaints are in casinos, there is a need to create a separate board for such complaints in the gambling section since most of the casino users are always active there. They can easily get the information quickly and take caution, as the case may be.

But not all reputable members do visit the gambling section, and for good and quality judgment, these reputable members need to interfere in order to get a possible solution. I think if that is the case, then leaving all the scam complaints on the scam accusation board will be better, but there should be a separate subboard for each, just as you explain in the Op.

Instead of just Scam Accusations should there be:

Scam Accusations  -> Exchanges

Same with exchanges, if you don't gamble you may miss the issues that started happening with your favorite exchange since it buried within all the other posts.

I think that of exchange has became more easier since we have users that are very active in the Exchanges sub board in the service discussion board. Information about any scam exchanges is been shared and discussed there.

[Igebotz]

Scam accusation is already a subforum and it will add 4 more child forums. Somehow it's neat and easier to navigate and find scam accusations on one page but over time, they piled up til sent to 2nd to a hundred more pages also. If a user wanted to look for a particular scam accusation, they could also use the search box. The 2024, kids seem to be aware of to use of Google and search boxes already.

Nobody goes to the scam accusations board to search for a particular topic. What are you looking for exactly?

[PX-Z]

Scam Accusations  -> Casinos

I agree on this, but it should be Scam Accusations  -> Gambling, as not all gambling platform can be called casinos imo.

The rest doesn't have much complaints/topic/thread, the scam accusation board is enough for them as of the moment.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Dave....I think you've got a good idea here.  It would be nice to be able to see just from looking at what child board a scam accusation thread is in whether I'd be interested in clicking on it, because I don't have much of an interest in casino scams and only a few exchanges who might have screwed over a customer.  True, I can usually get all that info from the title (that's the way I browse the forum, and I know it's different that how a lot of others do it) but from feedback I've gotten I bet it'd be a convenience for many members.

I'm not sure why Theymos is so reluctant to create child boards.  I've seen a few good suggestions like this one, and I don't think it'd take much coding to implement nor would it create more work for mods that I can tell (but correct me if I'm wrong).  Sub-threads/child boards are just a good way to organize sections that usually have a variety of popular, reoccurring topics, themes, what have you and in this case just making it easier for everyone to go to exactly which kind of scam accusations they're interested in.  Makes sense, right?

I agree on this, but it should be Scam Accusations  -> Gambling, as not all gambling platform can be called casinos imo.

The rest doesn't have much complaints/topic/thread, the scam accusation board is enough for them as of the moment.

That would be fine, because you're right about not all gambling scams involve casinos.  As to the second statement, there might not be many scam accusations against individual members right now (and I don't know that to be true because I haven't checked), but that could and likely will change.  Plus there are already enough of them to fill up a child board with more pages than you could read in a week.  Same thing for exchanges.

[Plaguedeath]

I have to disagree, most of users who create a new thread in scam accusations are brand new accounts. We as an experienced people aware where's the scam accusations belong to, but brand new accounts still doesn't know where's scam accusations sections and that's why they choose to post in Gambling, Bitcoin Discussion or Service Discussion since those sections are obvious.

Having sub forums under scam accusations will make it harder to reach since you need to open Trading Discussion board or Scam accusations section first.

Moreover most of scam accusations thread are full of fake accusations when the gambler not want to admit his own fault and blame the casino.

[FatFork]

I have to disagree, most of users who create a new thread in scam accusations are brand new accounts. We as an experienced people aware where's the scam accusations belong to, but brand new accounts still doesn't know where's scam accusations sections and that's why they choose to post in Gambling, Bitcoin Discussion or Service Discussion since those sections are obvious.

Having sub forums under scam accusations will make it harder to reach since you need to open Trading Discussion board or Scam accusations section first.

No way to avoid it. Some newbies will be up for learning, while others won't. The forum isn't meant to pamper newbies who don't want to put in the effort and make things easier just for them, at the cost of other members. That's why we've got moderators who can topic the topic to the right board.

Moreover most of scam accusations thread are full of fake accusations when the gambler not want to admit his own fault and blame the casino.

This is all the more reason why we should have a dedicated board for scam accusations related to Gambling.

[KingsDen]

Instead of just Scam Accusations should there be:

Scam Accusations  -> Exchanges
Scam Accusations  -> Casinos
Scam Accusations ->Projects
Scam Accusations  -> People

Nice Idea. I think the reason you suggested this is to sort the accusations to know which boards they are coming from. This would have been more appropriate in a board that has much engagements, like Altcoins and Bitcoin discussion boards.
This is 11:29 forum time and only 2 new posts are made in scam accusation board. This means that throughout a week the second page of the board might not be seen.

So, I think that the arrangement is fine rather than having a child board that might not have a single post for almost a week.