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December 22, 2023, 03:17:05 PM
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Those who survived in the war are the real heroes and those who died at the war are the legends. In a war situation, there are many things out in place. There is restriction of movement, restriction of social gatherings, and moon light play must stopped and other benefits of life movement will be stopped. Running and hiding are also part to survive in a war time. If anyone can do any of those things to survive then there is no problem. Because it is not everybody will face the gunshots. In a war time, everyone is a victim. Like why is happening in Russia and Ukraine is affecting people in Nigeria because there are some business transaction that would have taken place but because if the way those business have stopped and likewise to Israel and Palestine.

In a way time internal businesses are destroyed and that is one the weapon used by some group to stop their opponents. They would block all the channels that supply food to their opponents camps and side. And when food is not sent to those areas then, the war would end. But in a war period, the advance countries used that time to make money. But supplying things to the two opposing sides.









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December 22, 2023, 03:32:07 PM
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War isn't a good and is something no one should wish for, because it affect individual life in so many perspective, the emotional trauma and the economic melt down. Thou many may take advantages considering how severe it is and if the war is your favor by being part of the leading group.
What can be profitable in war conditions are the weapons providers or weapons suppliers to both parties because for each shipment of weapons there will definitely be a reward that will be received by that party. Whether it's in the form of money or other things that might be very useful for him, apart from that, I don't think there is any party that benefits enough, including the party that won the war. Because the side that won the war also experienced destruction, such as their own infrastructure and their people were also not free to carry out their usual activities.
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December 22, 2023, 05:25:25 PM
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The economic implications of war on  individuals are just too numerous. War puts everyone on hold, businesses, churches,
mosques and other religious organisations  collapse, governments tremble and all other institutions of value remain  shut down.  War reduces the purchasing power of individuals to zero, they can barely afford anything on their own and they  begin to live at the mercy of the government or charity organisations. These is because, war destabilises the individuals,  making them  unable to work or do business that will fetch them money to fend for themselves and their families (if they still have). The only thing of priority becomes how to stay safe. War is indeed a very terrible thing to happen to anyone or a group.

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December 22, 2023, 07:36:57 PM
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Ukraine will be able to defend its freedom and independence, and Russia will face a sad end.
You are completely delusional. Perhaps you don't realize it yet but Ukraine has already lost the war. As a retired colonel you should understand that. Well, unless you were lying of course (I bet you were).  Grin 

I appreciate your sentiments, but the truth can never be denied. Both countries have adopted their own policies, but I don't think that Ukraine can defeat Russia.

Everyone is resisting, but the weak is always helpless in front of the strong.
Exactly, every sane person with above the room temperature IQ understands that. Well, except for trolls that is.
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December 23, 2023, 04:42:59 AM
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Yes, the last (to this day) legitimate president of Ukraine Yanukovych killed no one. Pro-American junta leader Zelensky killed or mutilated over 1 million people. Can you feel the difference?

I wonder what arguments you have that Ukrainian President Zelensky killed one million people?
Meanwhile, Putin has indeed already killed even more than a million people, both Ukrainians and Russians, unleashing one of the most brutal wars in Ukraine. During the “direct line” on December 14, he admitted that the irretrievable losses of Russian troops in Ukraine amount to more than 300 thousand people. This is how you need to destroy your people for the sake of your imperial ambitions to forcibly recreate the new USSR. But after all, Putin’s efforts lead to the exact opposite result. It is likely that in a few years we will be able to observe how great Russia will disintegrate into separate independent republics, the central power of which was maintained only by the repression of the security forces.

This is the most blatant, shameless, retarded lie I've read on this forum this year. Could you provide the quote by Putin saying this with a source? I already know the answer and the answer is NO. Simply because he didn't say that. I already rebutted this lie in another thread but you keep posting this crap all around the forum?  Grin
Putin during the "Direct Line" on December 14 did not directly nam the losses of the Russian army in their attempt to seize Ukraine. However, these losses are easy to calculate from what they were published.

So, according to Putin, the number of Russian group is now reaching 617 thousand people, of which 244 thousand mobilized fights at the front. In the war there are also 486 thousand volunteers who, on their own initiative, signed a contract.

By the time of the military invasion of Russia in Ukraine, the group was 250 thousand people.

At the same time, 41 thousand mobilized were fired due to age, that is, this amount does not apply to losses.

If out of 617 thousand of the composition of the Russian army, subtract all the above categories of war participants and add 41 thousand those who were sent back to Russia by age, the number of irrevocable losses of the Russian Federation in the war with Ukraine will be about 322 thousand soldiers.

The irretrievable losses include the dead and the wounded. As for the losses of private military companies, then, according to Putin, according to Russian law, they do not exist, therefore it is impossible to count. Therefore, the real figure of Russian losses is much higher.

Sources:
https://apostrophe.ua/news/world/2023-12-14/putin-na-pryamoy-linii-progovorilsya-poteryah-rossiyan-v-voyne-skolko-priehalo-iz-ukraini/31 0356

A link to Putin’s video about the loss of the army, including as follows from Russia itself

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=8yLnRE1qOlUz8Xyt&v=sEgw2OrqWTo&feature=youtu.be

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=vybaCgXko_J27wkR&v=OGpR9WU6RB0&feature=youtu.be

Closed to these figures is evaluated by the losses of Russians and American intelligence, indicating that Russia has already lost 315 thousand of its troops in Ukraine.

According to official data from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the irretrievable losses of Russians in Ukraine amount to 351,350 military personnel.

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December 23, 2023, 11:43:12 AM
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Conflict most times doesn't translate into war as conflicts most times are disagreements that can be settled and when not properly settled it degenerates into war.

War on its own is total breakdown of everything including law, order & Economy. When it happens, people think only about their safety first before anything and aftermath is always devastating. Even after war people still think about survival not economy or investment.
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December 23, 2023, 03:21:03 PM
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- do you have any survival tips during war period?
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
I don't know how do I answer these questions. Because there are no right answer to them. Survival tips? Like what create a bunker? Maybe that will be the best choice but if you have the chance to escape, then you should do it. And when it comes to using money or something else for businesses during war is illogical. When everything is in chaos, how can people use money to buy and sell goods? All you can do is survive at any cost. If possible, take shelter. You can save in Bitcoin for future usage but what if you are not alive to use that in the future?

The impact will not be individual rather it will be for everyone. The military power are fighting with each other and the normal people are suffering. There are no clear method to overcome this until the war is over. If you are caught in a war, all you should do and focus is on survival.
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December 23, 2023, 03:35:19 PM
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War's a long, ugly shadow hanging over us all, a constant reminder that even at our best, we can be real knuckleheads. Politicians might play power games with it, but the bill comes due for the rest of us – lives shattered, futures left in smoke. It's enough to make you wanna curl up in a bunker and wait for the apocalypse, but that ain't the answer.

Look at Ukraine and the Middle East, still bleeding from the wounds of conflict. We can't control the warmongers in their ivory towers, but we can damn sure control how prepared we are when the storm hits. Instead of throwing our hands up and accepting war as some inevitable fact of life, let's get smart, get trained, and get ready to weather the chaos.

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December 23, 2023, 05:22:33 PM
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War is indeed a very heartbreaking period. Thousands of people lose their lives.  I never like war. War never brings anything good. And during war it is very challenging to keep your family alive because then you will have money but no goods to spend that money in your country.  When war breaks out, everyone should stock up on water and dry food at home because food is scarce in war-torn countries.  So everyone should stock up on high protein food. And save money though I think wartime money doesn't do any good.

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December 24, 2023, 11:59:21 AM
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War's a long, ugly shadow hanging over us all, a constant reminder that even at our best, we can be real knuckleheads. Politicians might play power games with it, but the bill comes due for the rest of us – lives shattered, futures left in smoke. It's enough to make you wanna curl up in a bunker and wait for the apocalypse, but that ain't the answer.

Look at Ukraine and the Middle East, still bleeding from the wounds of conflict. We can't control the warmongers in their ivory towers, but we can damn sure control how prepared we are when the storm hits. Instead of throwing our hands up and accepting war as some inevitable fact of life, let's get smart, get trained, and get ready to weather the chaos.
However, if anyone still prioritizes rationality, they will always avoid war, but sometimes society can be different from political elites who feel they have a mandate to act with what they have to do anything for the sake of something that can sometimes be unreasonable.very much agree, because the impact that occurred was not thought through carefully, resulting in destruction that was very irrelevant to the ego that was desired for the war to occur.
Looking at the current wars, we can be sure that this is due to intentions that are sometimes not and are not necessarily liked by society but must be carried out by political elites for the purpose of power, which clearly may not necessarily provide benefits to society in general; in fact, it may even be detrimental, but society cannot do anything

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December 24, 2023, 03:55:58 PM
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The human cost, the shattered lives, the gaping wounds inflicted on families and communities – it's a tragedy that defies comprehension. In the face of such suffering, prayer feels like the least we can do, a silent offering of hope and solidarity across the miles.

Money, in that crucible of chaos, loses its seductive charm. It transforms from a tool of ambition to a mere instrument of survival, a meager offering to secure a loaf of bread, a warm blanket, a flicker of hope. In the face of bombs and bullets, the worth of a bitcoin pales in comparison to the worth of a breath, a heartbeat, a child's laughter echoing through the rubble.

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The human cost, the shattered lives, the gaping wounds inflicted on families and communities – it's a tragedy that defies comprehension. In the face of such suffering, prayer feels like the least we can do, a silent offering of hope and solidarity across the miles.

Money, in that crucible of chaos, loses its seductive charm. It transforms from a tool of ambition to a mere instrument of survival, a meager offering to secure a loaf of bread, a warm blanket, a flicker of hope. In the face of bombs and bullets, the worth of a bitcoin pales in comparison to the worth of a breath, a heartbeat, a child's laughter echoing through the rubble.

War is a terrible disease. It slowly but surely destroys everything around it. And here we must realize that "soft methods" will not provide a cure. Only the destruction of the carriers of this contagion is the only solution to the problem. The disease cannot be "negotiated" or "frozen". The disease will continue to kill, or accumulate forces for further killing. And the more the world will "squirm in place" inventing "peaceful methods", the disease will continue to destroy the world - countries, lives, economies, businesses, everything that has been created. 

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December 26, 2023, 05:10:52 PM
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War isn't a good and is something no one should wish for, because it affect individual life in so many perspective, the emotional trauma and the economic melt down. Thou many may take advantages considering how severe it is and if the war is your favor by being part of the leading group.
What can be profitable in war conditions are the weapons providers or weapons suppliers to both parties because for each shipment of weapons there will definitely be a reward that will be received by that party. Whether it's in the form of money or other things that might be very useful for him, apart from that, I don't think there is any party that benefits enough, including the party that won the war. Because the side that won the war also experienced destruction, such as their own infrastructure and their people were also not free to carry out their usual activities.
Despite of that disadvantage you said from the trouble makers, they won't still stop. I think it's also about the satisfaction that they can get when they saw the other party suffer. They think they are powerful.

I'm not sure if there will be a regret that they will feel at the end. We can only wish or pray for the safety of everyone. It's mostly in the hands of our leaders (governments). But, I think we can also help in our own little ways like by paying our taxes properly. As I think they can also allocate some of it, on building and improving their defenses. Just in case an unexpected attack from the other greedy and power hungry countries will happen.

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December 27, 2023, 08:41:56 AM
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What can be profitable in war conditions are the weapons providers or weapons suppliers to both parties because for each shipment of weapons there will definitely be a reward that will be received by that party. Whether it's in the form of money or other things that might be very useful for him, apart from that, I don't think there is any party that benefits enough, including the party that won the war. Because the side that won the war also experienced destruction, such as their own infrastructure and their people were also not free to carry out their usual activities.

That's right, wherever there is conflict that is their market, Yes. War always provides a breath of fresh air for entrepreneurs engaged in military equipment and equipment, especially if the duration is long and continuous, where the demand for weapons will always come from the conflicting parties, it cannot be avoided. The impact is very serious, namely suffering, displacement and disappearance. lives that occur in war zones, even if victory requires enormous time and costs in the rebuilding and recovery process.

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December 27, 2023, 09:41:37 AM
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War is indeed a very heartbreaking period. Thousands of people lose their lives.  I never like war. War never brings anything good. And during war it is very challenging to keep your family alive because then you will have money but no goods to spend that money in your country.  When war breaks out, everyone should stock up on water and dry food at home because food is scarce in war-torn countries.  So everyone should stock up on high protein food. And save money though I think wartime money doesn't do any good.
War is completely useless, instead there will be an economic crisis and a humanitarian crisis, just look at the example of what happened in the war between Israel and Palestine. The scale of this war is astonishing, a terrible waste of life, all caused by a human being with an ego.

Of course, in times of war, money is useless, let alone thinking about investment, the internet is difficult. We can only think about saving ourselves and our families from war. If we are not in a place where there is conflict, of course we need to prepare funds to invest because usually when there is a war the global economy also slumps.
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December 27, 2023, 10:47:55 AM
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War's a long, ugly shadow hanging over us all, a constant reminder that even at our best, we can be real knuckleheads. Politicians might play power games with it, but the bill comes due for the rest of us – lives shattered, futures left in smoke. It's enough to make you wanna curl up in a bunker and wait for the apocalypse, but that ain't the answer.

Look at Ukraine and the Middle East, still bleeding from the wounds of conflict. We can't control the warmongers in their ivory towers, but we can damn sure control how prepared we are when the storm hits. Instead of throwing our hands up and accepting war as some inevitable fact of life, let's get smart, get trained, and get ready to weather the chaos.
However, if anyone still prioritizes rationality, they will always avoid war, but sometimes society can be different from political elites who feel they have a mandate to act with what they have to do anything for the sake of something that can sometimes be unreasonable.very much agree, because the impact that occurred was not thought through carefully, resulting in destruction that was very irrelevant to the ego that was desired for the war to occur.
Looking at the current wars, we can be sure that this is due to intentions that are sometimes not and are not necessarily liked by society but must be carried out by political elites for the purpose of power, which clearly may not necessarily provide benefits to society in general; in fact, it may even be detrimental, but society cannot do anything
We recognize the discrepancy between reason and wartime political elite behavior. Power plays rule this theater, where rationality is secondary. Wars, historically and today, are chess games for political elites that leave society in disarray. In their strategic bubbles, decision-makers occasionally miss reality. We must admit that wars are usually fought for power, territory, or ideology, not the people. This blatant disregard for social well-being is a strategic disaster

In the ruthless world of global politics, trust and strong relationships are idealistic. World where allegiances fluctuate like sand dunes. We must constantly question. Why? Diplomacy conceals underlying goals and power rivalries. Trust is fragile and sometimes traded for geopolitical strategy. We may be spectators in this big geopolitical theater, but we must be intelligent, informed, and critical of the narratives presented to us. Peace and rationality come from informed skepticism and continuous questioning of authority

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December 27, 2023, 06:15:03 PM
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We recognize the discrepancy between reason and wartime political elite behavior. Power plays rule this theater, where rationality is secondary. Wars, historically and today, are chess games for political elites that leave society in disarray. In their strategic bubbles, decision-makers occasionally miss reality. We must admit that wars are usually fought for power, territory, or ideology, not the people. This blatant disregard for social well-being is a strategic disaster

In the ruthless world of global politics, trust and strong relationships are idealistic. World where allegiances fluctuate like sand dunes. We must constantly question. Why? Diplomacy conceals underlying goals and power rivalries. Trust is fragile and sometimes traded for geopolitical strategy. We may be spectators in this big geopolitical theater, but we must be intelligent, informed, and critical of the narratives presented to us. Peace and rationality come from informed skepticism and continuous questioning of authority
Rationality becoming unimportant is the trouble, we should not be really considering it like that at all, it should not even be remotely a question where we would leave rationality and common sense aside but for some reason we do, and that's the biggest trouble. When you throw rationality and common sense out of the window, there is really nothing that you can't do, people act like cornered animals when in fact they could just stand down and everything will be fine.

The fact of "lets stop" being a "weak political move" is the reason why it's such a trouble. Like can you even imagine Putin going out and saying "ok the war is over, we are going back"? We all know that won't happen, it is impossible, it is not going to happen, and that's the biggest trouble. I have to say it is not going to be an issue and it is going to be a trouble for anyone. I think the best thing to do in this case would be just making sure that we get rid of this situation with as minimal damage as we possible could.

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December 28, 2023, 09:56:18 AM
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The fact of "lets stop" being a "weak political move" is the reason why it's such a trouble. Like can you even imagine Putin going out and saying "ok the war is over, we are going back"? We all know that won't happen, it is impossible, it is not going to happen, and that's the biggest trouble. I have to say it is not going to be an issue and it is going to be a trouble for anyone. I think the best thing to do in this case would be just making sure that we get rid of this situation with as minimal damage as we possible could.
Putin cannot stop the war in Ukraine and withdraw his troops from there for the reason that then he will immediately lose authority both among the elite and ordinary citizens of Russia and, most likely, will be removed or killed. Therefore, already fighting for his life, he will send more and more thousands of mobilized people into the furnace of war. But the mobilized citizens of Russia are not mindless cattle that can be sent to slaughter for a long time. Now, during active assaults on Ukrainian positions, over a thousand Russian occupiers die every day.

After the invasion in February 2022, Russia, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has already lost more than 356,000 of its soldiers and officers, 5,940 tanks, 11,025 armored vehicles, 329 aircraft, 324 helicopters, 8,391 artillery systems, 945 MLRS, 617 air defense systems, 23 ships and boats , as well as other military equipment.

  Russia has a lot of resources, but they also tend to run out. Instead of improving the quality of life in its country, Russia now produces weapons in three shifts, which are destroyed in the war, and the citizens of the country only become poorer, a significant part of them die at the front in Ukraine. Putin can be stopped by food and bloody riots or mass unrest in the regions with the aim of separating from the central government of the Kremlin and creating independent republics. We will be able to see all this already next year, 2024.

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December 28, 2023, 10:41:34 AM
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Putin cannot stop the war in Ukraine and withdraw his troops from there
Why would he want to stop this war if he's winning it?

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Therefore, already fighting for his life, he will send more and more thousands of mobilized people into the furnace of war. But the mobilized citizens of Russia are not mindless cattle that can be sent to slaughter for a long time.
I think we have already come to a conclusion that there are no or very few mobilized troops in Ukraine. Mostly volunteers and professional army.

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Now, during active assaults on Ukrainian positions, over a thousand Russian occupiers die every day.
According to whom? AFU sources? You really expect them to report correct numbers? You must be out of your mind then, colonel. I remember you wrote here on this forum that Russia has lost more than a million already. And AFU losses? Still 0, right? That's why Ukraine has signed that new recruitment law?  Grin

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After the invasion in February 2022, Russia, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has already lost more than 356,000 of its soldiers and officers, 5,940 tanks, 11,025 armored vehicles, 329 aircraft, 324 helicopters, 8,391 artillery systems, 945 MLRS, 617 air defense systems, 23 ships and boats , as well as other military equipment.
Again, according to whom? What are the sources? Ukrainian military? I'm sure that Russians have that many armaments in total, let alone in Ukraine. Grin

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  Russia has a lot of resources, but they also tend to run out. Instead of improving the quality of life in its country, Russia now produces weapons in three shifts, which are destroyed in the war, and the citizens of the country only become poorer, a significant part of them die at the front in Ukraine.
To run out of what? A significant part of 150million is how many people?  Grin

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Putin can be stopped by food and bloody riots or mass unrest in the regions with the aim of separating from the central government of the Kremlin and creating independent republics. We will be able to see all this already next year, 2024.
I'm sure any victim of western propaganda dreams of it. Not gonna happen. In 2024 we are going to see: Trump getting elected as the US president, Ukraine runs out of cannon fodder and NATO help and surrenders (or gets destroyed completely).  Cool
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I feel like I went on a trip to a madhouse, where they show the most mentally ill patients Smiley

And the manifestations are just like in scientific literature on psychiatry - ethereal heroes, fabulous achievements, diametrically opposite statements literally in the "next sentence" ... This also happens from the action of heavy hallucinogenic drugs or drugs that disrupt the worldview. So it is not clear what happened to the author of this nonsense, and what would be a better diagnosis for him !??  

PS I have an assumption that the author still deliberately behaves this way to show himself incompetent and to avoid Putin's collection of expendables all over Russia. After all, Putin said that "there will be no mobilization", and based on the known history, it means one thing - there will be and necessarily  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Although only the mentally damaged and go to realize the painful complexes of the pathetic Fuhrer of Russia Smiley

How is the "Big Airborne Ship Novocherkassk" doing? ? I understand everything is fine there - after all it is located in "the most protected region of Russia", as Putin did not lie again ?! And it is protected by "unparalleled, advanced, unavailable to the West, Russian weapons"  Grin

PS and on the topic - what’s the situation with eggs? Is Putin holding his balls until the elections? Is Kazakhstan feeding “Great Russia”? Smiley

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