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March 15, 2024, 07:00:27 AM
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- do you have any survival tips during war period?
the best survival tips during times of war is to do anything possible and just survive. Wars are not fought theoretically and most times, it doesn't follow a particular set out order so the possibility of  surviving war because you've read out some shitty strategies from a particular book is very slim.

- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
lol! Have you ever witnessed a communal crisis? The last thing you would probably think of is any business you should be doing when you're at war or to even invest. In the first place, you're not even sure you can make it out of that war alive and you are talking about investing for a future that's uncertain?

- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
this is the only necessary question you should be asking and the sincere answer is that for most serious wars like what's happening in Russia and Ukraine, those residents in the major war affected zones always experience crippled economy and there is always no difference between the rich and the poor so everybody have to basically rely on humanitarian aids from external sources as they can't really go a out doing major business at all.

War isn't something anyone would want to wish he gets sucked Into to be honest.

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March 30, 2024, 02:17:01 PM
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Does United States allow Ukraine to attack Russia that way? Like attacking Russian weapon factories, refineries, etc.? No, absolutely not! Since US wants to turn Ukraine to Russia's Afghanistan, this is why they neither gives them any weapon with a range more than 100-300 km range, nor allows them to manufacture one themselves.
I understand that this is ordinary Russian propaganda. But not to the same extent. Ukraine has already concluded five contracts with Western arms manufacturers, within the framework of which 5 joint defense enterprises were created in Ukraine.
https://hromadske.ua/ru/posts/ukraina-sovmestno-s-partnerami-sozdala-pyat-predpriyatij-po-proizvodstvu-oruzhiya-v-dalnejshem-takovyh-budet-desyatki-premer

Also, some defense companies, such as three French companies, are planning to expand weapons production in Ukraine.
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2024/03/8/710930/

But Ukraine itself produces and even sells various weapons and military equipment for export on the world market. In the period 2005-2014 alone, Ukraine sold 202 aircraft, 232 helicopters, 714 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 832 tanks, more than 28 thousand units of missiles and artillery weapons, more than 1.8 million units of small arms, etc.
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/publications/2020/10/28/666682/

The anti-tank systems "Corsar" and "Stugna-P" (export name "Skif"), as well as other high-precision ammunition from the state design bureau "Luch", have proven themselves well on the world market. And the quality of the Ukrainian anti-ship missiles “Neptune” has already been very well tested by the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which has already decreased by more than a third during the years of the war with Ukraine.
Recently, the number of various defense enterprises in Ukraine has increased sharply due to the needs of the front.

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March 30, 2024, 09:00:44 PM
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What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
The simplest definition of war is a simple dispute between two countries that results in violence. It is never a pleasant experience or sight to behold. When a war breaks out, a lot of lives are lost, people go missing, children starve to death, businesses cease, and the nation is thrown into complete disarray. According to a little story, our grandparents told us, the only way to escape is to hide underground. The poor suffer the most during a war because they are unable to relocate to other safe places, cannot afford to stockpile food, lack access to healthcare, and lack guidance from security personnel. Meanwhile, the rich try their hardest to save their lives by utilizing their resources. War is the worst kind of conflict.

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March 30, 2024, 09:13:33 PM
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War can have a severe consequences on the countries that are involved in war so we have to know how to prevent war just like we have been seeing in Ukraine now. The war has not ended and people are suffering without food or what to drink.
War can destroy the glory of a country if things is not quickly resolved and each country need to avoid that. War is very devastating with higher consequences and we all need to make proper prevention against war of any sort because what is happening in Ukraine now is worse and can be prevented.









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March 31, 2024, 06:38:35 AM
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War can have a severe consequences on the countries that are involved in war so we have to know how to prevent war just like we have been seeing in Ukraine now. The war has not ended and people are suffering without food or what to drink.
War can destroy the glory of a country if things is not quickly resolved and each country need to avoid that. War is very devastating with higher consequences and we all need to make proper prevention against war of any sort because what is happening in Ukraine now is worse and can be prevented.
Over the course of a year and a half, according to Forbes calculations, Russia spent about $167.3 billion on the war with Ukraine.
The largest expenditure items are: support for military operations ($51.3 billion), military salaries ($35.1 billion), compensation to the families of the dead ($25.6 billion) and wounded ($21 billion) and the cost of destroyed equipment ($34 billion). This estimate does not include fixed non-military defense expenditures. It also does not include the economic losses of the aggressor country.

Every day, Russia spends about $300 million a day on the war with Ukraine. The Russian budget spent more in January–June 2023 than it planned to spend in the entire 2023. In Russia itself, rich in oil and gas due to the merciless exploitation of the indigenous peoples of Siberia and the Far East, where these deposits of natural resources are located, many settlements still remain ungasified, roads have been an eternal problem for many centuries, the living conditions of Russians in the outback, sometimes it is still at the level of the Middle Ages, but there they allow colossal amounts of money to be spent on killing their neighbors every day and for more than two years.

  Despite this, Russia is doubling its military budget and rapidly rushing into the economic abyss. Well, it's their choice.

https://forbes.ua/ru/war-in-ukraine/za-pivtora-roku-rosiya-vitratila-na-viynu-z-ukrainoyu-blizko-1673-mlrd-z-nikh-tilki-tekhniki-na- ponad-34-mlrd-rozrakhunki-forbes-16092023-16050

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March 31, 2024, 09:06:12 AM
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War can have a severe consequences on the countries that are involved in war so we have to know how to prevent war just like we have been seeing in Ukraine now. The war has not ended and people are suffering without food or what to drink.
War can destroy the glory of a country if things is not quickly resolved and each country need to avoid that. War is very devastating with higher consequences and we all need to make proper prevention against war of any sort because what is happening in Ukraine now is worse and can be prevented.
Over the course of a year and a half, according to Forbes calculations, Russia spent about $167.3 billion on the war with Ukraine.
The largest expenditure items are: support for military operations ($51.3 billion), military salaries ($35.1 billion), compensation to the families of the dead ($25.6 billion) and wounded ($21 billion) and the cost of destroyed equipment ($34 billion). This estimate does not include fixed non-military defense expenditures. It also does not include the economic losses of the aggressor country.

Every day, Russia spends about $300 million a day on the war with Ukraine. The Russian budget spent more in January–June 2023 than it planned to spend in the entire 2023. In Russia itself, rich in oil and gas due to the merciless exploitation of the indigenous peoples of Siberia and the Far East, where these deposits of natural resources are located, many settlements still remain ungasified, roads have been an eternal problem for many centuries, the living conditions of Russians in the outback, sometimes it is still at the level of the Middle Ages, but there they allow colossal amounts of money to be spent on killing their neighbors every day and for more than two years.

  Despite this, Russia is doubling its military budget and rapidly rushing into the economic abyss. Well, it's their choice.

https://forbes.ua/ru/war-in-ukraine/za-pivtora-roku-rosiya-vitratila-na-viynu-z-ukrainoyu-blizko-1673-mlrd-z-nikh-tilki-tekhniki-na- ponad-34-mlrd-rozrakhunki-forbes-16092023-16050
The calculations you quote here have several radical flaws:

1. You seem to ignore the fact that Russia pays their army not in dollars or euros but in roubles. Printing roubles doesn't cost Putin anything.
2. Compensations to the families of killed and wounded military are counted based on what? On false, exaggerated numbers presented by the AFU?
3. Equipment costs are evaluated based on export prices. In reality it costs Putin not more than a price of a mid-sized LADA to build a tank.  Grin

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due to the merciless exploitation of the indigenous peoples of Siberia and the Far East

Sounds desperate. No, this won't work, mate. The latest election results showed that people of Russia are immune to this kind of separatist propaganda crap and about 85% have voted for Putin. And speaking about merciless exploitation of indigenous people, do you remember what happened to native people of North America?  Grin

By the way, in the regions of Ukraine, where the war is going on at the moment these "indigenous people" are in fact... Russians!  Grin
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March 31, 2024, 09:37:58 AM
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- do you have any survival tips during war period?
First of all, this is an insane question, there's no way that this can ever be answered by anyone that has live their whole lives at a relative peace, war is a freak occurrence and it shouldn't ever be a thing that would lead people towards that event, the only survival tip that I can recommend is to get rich, you've got more chances of living if you've got more money since you can just easily hire a smuggler to get you out of the warzone and quickly seek asylum to a different country.
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
I don't think that's the first thing that you should think of, in a war, it's going to be almost lawless in the warzone so you first need to survive before you can do anything, when you're in an asylum, you'd be able to think of that thing but others will also be doing the same so make sure that your business is going to be unique. Regards to businesses benefiting from war, there's the weapons dealer as the top career that makes the most money out of it, the more ammo and guns you sell, the more you'll be able to rake in, in terms of cash.
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
Again, with my second answer, don't worry about it and make sure that you're all alive and outside of the warzone, the economy in a war is in shambles, you don't have to worry about it as people that should be dealing with it are already dealing with it anyway.



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April 01, 2024, 09:08:52 AM
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3. Equipment costs are evaluated based on export prices. In reality it costs Putin not more than a price of a mid-sized LADA to build a tank.  Grin

Well, let’s go over how much Russian tanks cost and how much they cost. The Russian publication Ferra.ru calculated how much their domestic Russian tanks cost.
So, the most common tanks in Russia are the T-72. Most of them were produced in the USSR in the latest modification of the T-72B. The T-72B3 is the most widespread of the Russian modernizations, which has reached standards “about T-90”. And this is especially noticeable in the T-72 B3 series of the 2016 model, because they already have Relikt dynamic protection, the V-92S2F diesel engine with 1130 horsepower, an improved gun stabilizer and a new generation of surveillance equipment. In 2016 prices, only replacing dynamic protection and installing a new engine (+ minor modifications such as improved tracks) on an existing tank cost Russia 16.6 million rubles per tank.

In total, the upgrade to the T-72B3 took place in three waves - 2011, 2014 and 2016. In 2013, modernization cost 22 million rubles, and on top of that 30 million for the overhaul of the tank itself. Total - 52 million rubles. There is no more detailed information about how much a complete update cost later in open sources.

What about the T-90 and its versions? There is more information here, but rather in terms of export prices. The most modern T-90M Breakthrough costs, on average, 300-330 million rubles.

It is known that for 2011-2013, the T-90A Vladimir cost its own army approximately 118 million rubles per unit. But it is obvious that today the situation is different. Since there are no more accurate data, the amount in the range of 200-250 million will not be far from the truth.
https://www.ferra.ru/review/techlife/russian-army-vehicles-price.htm

The export price of the Russian T-90AM tank per unit is 4.25-4.5 million dollars. It is created on the basis of the T-90 and is equipped with a 125-mm 2A46M-5 cannon with the ability to launch anti-tank missiles, a 7.62-mm coaxial machine gun, 12.7 -mm remote controlled machine gun. The thickness of the frontal armor reaches 700 mm, and it is complemented by an active protection complex.

Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/rejting-osnovnyh-boevyh-tankov-po-ih-stoimosti.html
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April 01, 2024, 09:09:25 PM
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- do you have any survival tips during war period?
First of all, this is an insane question, there's no way that this can ever be answered by anyone that has live their whole lives at a relative peace, war is a freak occurrence and it shouldn't ever be a thing that would lead people towards that event, the only survival tip that I can recommend is to get rich, you've got more chances of living if you've got more money since you can just easily hire a smuggler to get you out of the warzone and quickly seek asylum to a different country.
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
I don't think that's the first thing that you should think of, in a war, it's going to be almost lawless in the warzone so you first need to survive before you can do anything, when you're in an asylum, you'd be able to think of that thing but others will also be doing the same so make sure that your business is going to be unique. Regards to businesses benefiting from war, there's the weapons dealer as the top career that makes the most money out of it, the more ammo and guns you sell, the more you'll be able to rake in, in terms of cash.
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
Again, with my second answer, don't worry about it and make sure that you're all alive and outside of the warzone, the economy in a war is in shambles, you don't have to worry about it as people that should be dealing with it are already dealing with it anyway.

people are anxious about all these especially when you live around these countries where war has already begun.
it pauses all your plans in life. for a father who thinks of trying to build their kids a treehouse, he may stop it for now because the money to be spent for building this tree house will be spent for something else like food supply incase the war begins in their place as well.

families will likely move to a peaceful country and leave all they have, this is how a looming war will affect a family that is trying to live peacefully.









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April 02, 2024, 03:49:57 AM
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when there's war in a society or a country, everyone suffers it. because the particular country will lack peace and with that, the citizens also encounter lack of rest of mind, and when minds aren't settle one cannot even be able to get good thought about something that would bring progress to his life talk more of others.
  When a particular country is at war, they will encounter a lot of economic  challenges because even the investors from the foreign countries would not even come to invest their money in that country, because no body will see fire 🔥  and keep pushing him self into it. Something that even fool will not do.
  When a particular country is at war, even their own day to day activities can not move well due to lack of peace in that country. Their market, farming activities,  and other activities can not be able to function well due to lack of peace in the country. All of which affect the economy significantly.
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April 02, 2024, 08:07:36 AM
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1. You seem to ignore the fact that Russia pays their army not in dollars or euros but in roubles. Printing roubles doesn't cost Putin anything.
2. Compensations to the families of killed and wounded military are counted based on what? On false, exaggerated numbers presented by the AFU?

Indeed, payments in rubles to the relatives of those killed and wounded in the war in Ukraine cost Putin nothing. This costs the Russian people, who die en masse for the imperial ambitions of their Fuhrer. However, it is worth noting that mass printing of rubles will sharply increase inflation.

The Russian authorities included in the draft state budget for 2024 payments for the families of military personnel killed in Ukraine based on approximately 100 thousand dead. This follows from the calculations of the publication “We Can Explain,” which studied the draft federal budget for 2024-2026.

As the publication notes, in addition to one-time insurance payments for the deceased, relatives also receive monthly compensation. This year it is 21,922.12 rubles.

To support the families of those injured and disabled, as well as compensation to the families of the dead, the draft budget allocated more than 16 billion rubles, of which more than 5.2 billion are for monthly payments for dead military personnel. This means that the budget provides funds for payments for approximately 240 thousand people.
https://www.sibreal.org/a/v-byudzhete-rf-zalozhili-vyplaty-semyam-100-tysyach-pogibshih-na-voyne/32634866.html

In addition, Putin recently announced that family members of military personnel who died in a special operation in Ukraine will be paid an additional 5 million rubles. According to the law, he recalled, the families of deceased servicemen are paid compensation in the amount of 7 million 421 thousand rubles. The wounded will receive 2 million 968 thousand rubles provided by law, and an additional 3 million rubles.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5240237

Although, based on the fact that in Ukraine every day the irretrievable losses of the Russian occupiers amount to about a thousand people, compensation for the hundred thousand dead that is included in the budget for this year will clearly not be enough. Based on this, Russia calls up 30 thousand every month to fight in Ukraine to support this war. The senseless conveyor belt of death is working...

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April 02, 2024, 12:03:39 PM
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I hate wars. I hate conflicts. Both they are almost unavailable. Wars and conflicts disrupts lives. It kills people - men, women, babies. Businesses are shot down. Schools are shot down. Boys become father's and look after their moms and siblings because their father has gone to war. Daughters become mothers and have to care for their siblings because they lose their mothers to war. Children with perfectly normal lives become refugees

Wars and conflicts doesn't give you the time to plan. It happens fast and it happens suddenly. It comes with a huge economic cost. And for us in the cryptocurrency, we are not exempted too. If you are a miner, your mining operation is affected because if you are caught up in the conflict, you have to abandon it and flee so that you do not get killed.

I am deeply saddened by these wars. I am not taking sides because there are human causalities in both sides.

- do you have any survival tips during war period?
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.
Wat is not a god thing, as it leads to destruction of lives and properties, war displaces people, it makes innocent children orphans, it's injures people, People loose there loved ones, it destroys the economic growth of a country, war should be condemned anywhere in the world,
No matter the individual differences or national difference it should be settled through dialogue not war, war has a negative effect not just on individuals , but it's effects extends to families and the society even the country at large, war should be discouraged anywhere and anytime.
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April 02, 2024, 08:15:05 PM
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3. Equipment costs are evaluated based on export prices. In reality it costs Putin not more than a price of a mid-sized LADA to build a tank.  Grin

Well, let’s go over how much Russian tanks cost and how much they cost. The Russian publication Ferra.ru calculated how much their domestic Russian tanks cost.
So, the most common tanks in Russia are the T-72. Most of them were produced in the USSR in the latest modification of the T-72B. The T-72B3 is the most widespread of the Russian modernizations, which has reached standards “about T-90”. And this is especially noticeable in the T-72 B3 series of the 2016 model, because they already have Relikt dynamic protection, the V-92S2F diesel engine with 1130 horsepower, an improved gun stabilizer and a new generation of surveillance equipment. In 2016 prices, only replacing dynamic protection and installing a new engine (+ minor modifications such as improved tracks) on an existing tank cost Russia 16.6 million rubles per tank.

In total, the upgrade to the T-72B3 took place in three waves - 2011, 2014 and 2016. In 2013, modernization cost 22 million rubles, and on top of that 30 million for the overhaul of the tank itself. Total - 52 million rubles. There is no more detailed information about how much a complete update cost later in open sources.

What about the T-90 and its versions? There is more information here, but rather in terms of export prices. The most modern T-90M Breakthrough costs, on average, 300-330 million rubles.

It is known that for 2011-2013, the T-90A Vladimir cost its own army approximately 118 million rubles per unit. But it is obvious that today the situation is different. Since there are no more accurate data, the amount in the range of 200-250 million will not be far from the truth.
https://www.ferra.ru/review/techlife/russian-army-vehicles-price.htm

The export price of the Russian T-90AM tank per unit is 4.25-4.5 million dollars. It is created on the basis of the T-90 and is equipped with a 125-mm 2A46M-5 cannon with the ability to launch anti-tank missiles, a 7.62-mm coaxial machine gun, 12.7 -mm remote controlled machine gun. The thickness of the frontal armor reaches 700 mm, and it is complemented by an active protection complex.

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The Russian Lada car has a cost of approximately 1.2 to 1.6 million rubles for the Russian population. Is it worth comparing its price with tanks, if only the modernization of the relatively new T-72 tank costs the Russian budget from 16 to 52 million rubles?
https://www.avtomobiltlt.ru/ceny.html

Well, I hope you're not retarded and you understand that a tank cannot cost as much as a car. What I meant is that Putin doesn't give a damn because it's in roubles and he can print as much roubles as he wants. So for him these vehicles cost the same.  Grin

Anyway, $34 billion in lost equipment as you mentioned, seems a lot. If we take the most expensive tank (T90M) according to you it's 300 million roubles which is around $3 million per tank (which is still a lot, hard to believe they cost that much in Russia). So, for $34 billion you can build about 11500 tanks!  
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April 03, 2024, 08:06:17 AM
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By the way, in the regions of Ukraine, where the war is going on at the moment these "indigenous people" are in fact... Russians!  Grin
Well, we can even agree with this statement of yours, if we consider that these are territories in which, back in the 9th-12th centuries, the then powerful state of Kievan Rus, with its center in Kyiv, was located. The possessions of Kievan Rus extended to almost the entire European territory of the current Russian Federation, including Moscow itself, which was then still a small village and belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, in this regard, Ukrainians can consider themselves descendants of Kievan Rus, that is, Russians.

And Russia arose only during the time of Tsar Peter the Great at the beginning of the 18th century. Before this, it was first conquered by the Mongol-Tatars for three hundred years, and then became the Muscovite kingdom or Muscovy and has nothing to do with Rus'. Therefore, Ukrainians can be considered Russians at the same time, but current Russians cannot be considered Russians. The aggressive genes of the Mongol-Tatars of present-day Muscovy still periodically manifest themselves in the fact that the Russian horde periodically attacks its neighbors.

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By the way, in the regions of Ukraine, where the war is going on at the moment these "indigenous people" are in fact... Russians!  Grin
Well, we can even agree with this statement of yours, if we consider that these are territories in which, back in the 9th-12th centuries, the then powerful state of Kievan Rus, with its center in Kyiv, was located. The possessions of Kievan Rus extended to almost the entire European territory of the current Russian Federation, including Moscow itself, which was then still a small village and belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, in this regard, Ukrainians can consider themselves descendants of Kievan Rus, that is, Russians.

And Russia arose only during the time of Tsar Peter the Great at the beginning of the 18th century. Before this, it was first conquered by the Mongol-Tatars for three hundred years, and then became the Muscovite kingdom or Muscovy and has nothing to do with Rus'. Therefore, Ukrainians can be considered Russians at the same time, but current Russians cannot be considered Russians. The aggressive genes of the Mongol-Tatars of present-day Muscovy still periodically manifest themselves in the fact that the Russian horde periodically attacks its neighbors.

Typical brainwashed Ukrainian. Ukraine as a state didn't exist before 1991, when it was given independence by Russia. Don't let the name "Kievan" mislead you. It was in fact a Russian state. Ukrainians didn't exist as a nation. There were some separate tribes, which didn't identify themselves as Ukrainians. Prince Oleg of Novgorod attacked Kiev and killed two princes (I don't remember their names google if interested) who were ruling there. Since that time Kiev was a part of Russian Empire and later the USSR. But if we're speaking about Russia, it has been around since year 862.
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April 03, 2024, 06:36:12 PM
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I wonder how you can think about business when there's a war in your country.

Most of countries will use their armed forces to handle it, but if they lack of participants, they will force their civilians especially 18+ years old men to join in war and they also open for volunteers. The country will give a support about foods, place to sleep, and weapon, while the women and kids will stay in the most safest place.

So when there's a tension in your country, it's better to fly to other country. Don't too late because civilians will not able to escape except you have a duty to escape.

War is inevitable because there are few organizations that earn profit during war e.g. weapon seller.
The thing about business and feeding your family in war is common because every person can do the same when he or she sees his/her family suffering from starvation. There is no tip to start any business in war because the enemy force will not allow you to do so and in case you start it so to whom you will sell because every person suffering from war and have zero capital. The govt is also unable to feed the civilians because they trying to fight the war and feed the forces first.  In this situation, not only weapon sellers took benefits but also those countries who sent you food and health-related requirements and medicines. So my advice is if you're in such a situation then please if possible fly to the nearest state or at least leave that region.
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April 03, 2024, 09:02:42 PM
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During the war only business is not possible to do any work properly the developing world is suffering the most from the embargoes and counter embargoes caused by the war. While the global economic situation was on the way to return to normal after the corona pandemic the war has put the global economic situation in a deep crisis and stress. Controlling wartime inflation is our greatest challenge at present in terms of the impact on banks the only way out of this crisis is to invest in bitcoin because the war will not have any impact on bitcoin.
When there is a war in a country, there is a country that takes business opportunities in this case, even though there are risks that must be taken in it. so we can see together that there are countries trying to offer food aid first, that is part of the strategy so that the country at war can win the favor of the leader, after that they offer work in another form, namely their weapons, this is offering themselves war troops. After the war ended, cooperation became increasingly wide open. This is the influence of economic war that cannot be controlled

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By the way, in the regions of Ukraine, where the war is going on at the moment these "indigenous people" are in fact... Russians!  Grin
Well, we can even agree with this statement of yours, if we consider that these are territories in which, back in the 9th-12th centuries, the then powerful state of Kievan Rus, with its center in Kyiv, was located. The possessions of Kievan Rus extended to almost the entire European territory of the current Russian Federation, including Moscow itself, which was then still a small village and belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, in this regard, Ukrainians can consider themselves descendants of Kievan Rus, that is, Russians.

And Russia arose only during the time of Tsar Peter the Great at the beginning of the 18th century. Before this, it was first conquered by the Mongol-Tatars for three hundred years, and then became the Muscovite kingdom or Muscovy and has nothing to do with Rus'. Therefore, Ukrainians can be considered Russians at the same time, but current Russians cannot be considered Russians. The aggressive genes of the Mongol-Tatars of present-day Muscovy still periodically manifest themselves in the fact that the Russian horde periodically attacks its neighbors.

Typical brainwashed Ukrainian. Ukraine as a state didn't exist before 1991, when it was given independence by Russia. Don't let the name "Kievan" mislead you. It was in fact a Russian state. Ukrainians didn't exist as a nation. There were some separate tribes, which didn't identify themselves as Ukrainians. Prince Oleg of Novgorod attacked Kiev and killed two princes (I don't remember their names google if interested) who were ruling there. Since that time Kiev was a part of Russian Empire and later the USSR. But if we're speaking about Russia, it has been around since year 862.
Well, let's figure out when the Ukrainians and the state of Ukraine appeared, and when Russia appeared. The name "Ukraine" first appeared in the Kyiv Chronicle in 1187. Then it either disappears or is used again, but it has been in constant use since Cossack times, that is, since the 16th-17th centuries.
“Ukraine” is one of the official names of the Cossack state, which arose after the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnitsky against Polish power in the middle of the 17th century (along with other names - Zaporozhye Army, Hetmanate, Little Russia). It is very important that in the Cossack chronicles of that time the word “Ukraine” means not just territory, but the fatherland, which requires the highest loyalty and which is a sacred duty to defend.
In the 18th century, as the Cossack state dissolved into the Russian Empire, the word “Ukraine” again disappeared from active political use. However, this name is preserved in folk culture (there are approximately 1,200 folk songs sung about Ukraine). It returns to politics and high culture in the 19th century, during the period of national revival. And in the 20th century it became generally accepted - the name of almost not a single state and even occupation entity on the territory of Ukraine in 1917–1991 could be done without it: Ukrainian People's Republic, Western Ukrainian People's Republic, Ukrainian State and even the Nazi Reichskommissariat “Ukraine”.

The Russian Empire, and then the Soviet Union, did everything to prevent Ukrainians from rising to the level of a nation, but to remain an ethnic group. A nation is not only political self-determination, but also the opportunity to create one’s own high culture in one’s native language. Therefore, the Ukrainian language was banned twice during the period of liberal reforms of Tsar Alexander II. During the Thaw, Khrushchev convinced Ukrainians and Belarusians that the faster they switched to Russian, the faster communism would be built. True, Gorbachev argued in private conversations that the Russification of Ukrainians was occurring naturally, because they themselves did not want their children to learn Ukrainian. At that time, mostly peasants spoke Ukrainian, and anyone who wanted to make a career in Soviet Ukraine had to switch to Russian.

The idea to call the Principality of Moscow the Russian Kingdom belongs to a descendant of Mamai from the Mongolian tribe of Kyiyat, known as Ivan IV Vasilyevich, nicknamed the Terrible.
The word “Russian” can have one application - as belonging to a territory, and not a people, which was then divided into Novgorodians and Pskovians (“we are Pskovites”), Suzdalians, and then Muscovites. Ivan the Terrible simply stole the name of Rus' when in 1547 the Grand Duke of Moscow was crowned Tsar and took the full title: “Great Sovereign, by the grace of God Tsar and Grand Duke of All Rus', Vladimir, Moscow, Novgorod, Pskov, Ryazan, Tver, Yugorsk , Perm, Vyatsky, Bo(u)Lgarsky and others.” With the seizure of new lands, the names of the occupied territories were added - “Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Siberia and ruler of all Northern countries.” Did Ivan the Terrible know about the existence of the Russian Kingdom (voivodeship) in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? He couldn’t help but know: his western neighbors and the once prosperous Kievan Rus did not give him peace.

In 1703, another Russian dictator, Peter I, built a new capital on the swamps, conducted several successful military campaigns, and in 1721 allowed himself to be called the titles of Emperor of All Russia and Father of the Fatherland. From that time on, “Russia”, “Russian”, “Russian” had not an ethnic, but a state designation. In fact, what a “Russian” second wife of Peter the Great is, in the modern patriotic understanding, Marta Samuilovna Skavronskaya-Kruse, the mother of Empress Elizabeth. What kind of “Russian” emperor was Karl Peter Ulrich von Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorf, Peter III. Then Catherine II, née Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg. Literally until the last Tsar Nicholas II, there was more German blood in the blood of the Russian imperial house than the mythical “Russian”.

Manipulation of historical facts is an old Russian hobby. Once you lie, you have to lie constantly, inventing a story that takes the Russians’ breath away. It’s just that in others she evokes laughter and pity.

https://nv.ua/opinion/nastojashchaja-rus-o-chem-bojatsja-vspominat-rossijane-69010.html

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April 08, 2024, 08:32:56 AM
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The Russian Lada car has a cost of approximately 1.2 to 1.6 million rubles for the Russian population. Is it worth comparing its price with tanks, if only the modernization of the relatively new T-72 tank costs the Russian budget from 16 to 52 million rubles?
https://www.avtomobiltlt.ru/ceny.html

Well, I hope you're not retarded and you understand that a tank cannot cost as much as a car. What I meant is that Putin doesn't give a damn because it's in roubles and he can print as much roubles as he wants. So for him these vehicles cost the same.  Grin
The laws of economics work equally for all countries without any exception. This means that no country can afford to unlimitedly print national money and use it to pay for the production of military products, which are then destroyed in the war, as well as for the deaths and injuries of soldiers to their relatives. This will cause any economy to fall and inflation to rise sharply.

The production of a tank and a civilian passenger car cannot cost the state the same. This is complete nonsense. As for Putin, he now doesn’t give a damn about anything except his reputation and saving his life after, on his initiative, Russia was mired in a brutal, bloody war in Ukraine, which has been going on for the third year and there is no end in sight. I think that in Russia almost everyone has already felt the cost of this madness.

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War make business owners not to make profits from their businesses because customers will be running for their dear life or managing the ones they have bought before the war started from the country.

You can see many countries war has reduced their economy to zero just because they allow war to involve between them and their neighboring country, no business will be moving well in such area, and their suppliers will be afraid to supply goods to those that demand for the goods because no one want to lose his life for war.

It will take some years before Russia and Ukraine businesses owners can recover from the damage of their businesses for the war that is affecting them, and it will make other countries to know that war always bring damage to the economy.

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