Isreal and Palestine war and losing your wallet phrase and password

[pooya87]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

It depends on what war!
If you are a Palestinian kicked out of your homeland and placed in a prison called Gaza Strip where every 2 minutes on average a heavy bomb is dropped on your head and most of those bombs are phosphorous bombs that boils you do death, then there isn't much you can do because not just your PC but everything you own and yourself are most probably going to turn into ash.

[salad daging]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

So I will go to get away from the conflict area, there is no point in staying where the war is, there is more anxiety about not only losing the seed phrase but you will also lose your comfort because of the rockets that continue to be dropped due to this threat.
In essence, you have to leave, if it starts to become more conducive then you can come back, but this place has been at war for several years and conflicts continue to occur.

[Wapfika]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I always have digits backup just in case despite many warnings here about not backing up your seed phrase online. I always zip my seed phrase with password and put it on an online storage such as icloud. I make the name of the zip files like a typical documents just to make sure a hacker won’t get interested on it just in case.

I always expect the worst since my country is always experiencing strong typhoons every year that give high risk of physical damage on my properties. On this case of war, I believe having an online backup is your best choice since you can’t guarantee the safety of your assets physically. Just move the coins safely on different wallet once you are already on safe place.

[gantez]

So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

There's nothing you can do. If you have neither the wallet file nor the seed phrase, there is no way to recover the wallet.

It's always recommended to keep multiple copies of your seed phrase in different locations.
For more security, you can consider graving your seed phrase on a stainless steel plate instead of a writing it down on a paper.

What happened if in the war you are force out in rush to survive bullets with no means carrying away with you stainless steel plate of the graving that you make of your passphrase for the coins. What can you do because war and running out to refugee camp has no preparation. I'm looking at the war all over different location and I think of that for people in problem like that.

You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

Can you keep memorizing 12 different words for how many years. If you open your wallet and safe in your brain you will forget one of the phrase after long time. You thinking to memorize during war before escaping death is not easy because of fear you can't remember them.

[puloweh555]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

It's basically not a good idea to save your seed phrase (private key) on your computer or smartphone or write it down on paper and store it in your home safe. Because the seed phrase is the key to our crypto asset wallet, and if someone gets access to the wallet, they can steal all the assets in the wallet. Likewise if we live in a country that is being hit by war.

So it is important that we store it in Stainless Steel or better yet washers, bolts and nuts that are water and fire resistant. By engraving your phrase on it, you can then store your initial phrase in a safe location known only to you and your family.

[philipma1957]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I always have digits backup just in case despite many warnings here about not backing up your seed phrase online. I always zip my seed phrase with password and put it on an online storage such as icloud. I make the name of the zip files like a typical documents just to make sure a hacker won’t get interested on it just in case.

I always expect the worst since my country is always experiencing strong typhoons every year that give high risk of physical damage on my properties. On this case of war, I believe having an online backup is your best choice since you can’t guarantee the safety of your assets physically. Just move the coins safely on different wallet once you are already on safe place.

yeah you can do this on emails.  make three different emails.

 say 24aatyb6531@yahoo
and zz2266tak12@yahoo
and tw24xtyuoks@yahoo

put eight seeds in each in each address.

[Mpamaegbu]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

To be sincere with you, I always think of this situation whenever I come across those numerous comments on wallet safety. We can only think of where our wallets are after we've survived a war. No one thinks of where their money or property is in a war. No matter how tight you think you've made the safety of your wallet you can only have access to your place of safety for it if it's not affected by the incidence of war after the war or is anyone going to have sheets of papers on them as they journey for safety? I bet they will get dispossessed of such at first check point.

The only place to keep such would be in an email. Just pile up everything secret in one's email with a remarkable password. If one can remember the email password, one can easily open it after the war to assess whatever that's kept there but is the email even a better option with all the hacks we see every time?

[ndutndut]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I haven't thought about being in that situation because I'm grateful to live in a safe country. However, as far as I know, this wallet phrase is very risky if it is stored on a PC, whether in a state of war or not, because the PC could be damaged or something else. Therefore, from now on you should be careful in storing your wallet phrase better and you should get used to guarding your wallet phrase, whether you have a little or a lot of crypto assets, write a copy of your initial phrase on a stainless steel can withstand various disasters.

If I were in a war situation, of course I would go to another country where there is no war, being in a place of war is not just a phrase that can lose your wallet, even our lives can be lost.

[blockman]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey.

If you are able to back them up, there's no worry that you need to think of. But if you have forgotten to do that, starting is always the hardest part but as long as you know how and where to start, you'll just need to have sometime until you can get back on your feet.

Or can you get the coins back?

Not that you can if you don't have the back up. And if the HDD was totally destroyed, no way that it can be retrieved. But if by some chance and luck that HDD is still there, then there's the possibility that you can as long as the disk of data is still inside of it in a perfect condition. Some experts in data recovery could do it.

[aoluain]

You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

I have considered a 'brainwallet' before but I think the key is to refresh those words regularly
as in to make sure you are remembering the correct words.

In the case of war where you have to vacate you home or that you cannot actually get to
your home a brainwallet is the only thing which is going to save you.

Another idea is if possible create your own seed phrase from a favourite book, say
the last 12 words in the last sentence of the last chapter, all you have to do is remember
which book.

[rachael9385]

We can't tell what might happen tomorrow, but on the other hand, I will have to say that it is good to always back up our device or to save stuff in different places, so in case any of these things happen, if we lose, the other will still be in a place.
There is a way one can keep his/her seed phrase, even if someone sees it, the person will not be able to understand what it really means. Sometimes we have to consider some of these things when we want to save guard our things.

[Zaguru12]

What happened if in the war you are force out in rush to survive bullets with no means carrying away with you stainless steel plate of the graving that you make of your passphrase for the coins. What can you do because war and running out to refugee camp has no preparation. I'm looking at the war all over different location and I think of that for people in problem like that.

In this kind of situations to be honest there is absolutely nothing you can do, your well being will be your first priority but before this situation today where Hamas retaliated a bit, the Israelites were suppose to know that this kind of situation would occur because this has always be a time bomb ready to explode. So leaving a country like this with war round it’s corner just like everyone has stated out you would have made sure to duplicate your backs or rather set up a multi sig wallet with each seed phrase abc master private keys stored in different geological locations, maybe you can go back to them after you might have come out of the war in one piece but the seed phrase is definitely the least of your worries if a war breaks out in your place

[armanda90]

There's nothing you can do. If you have neither the wallet file nor the seed phrase, there is no way to recover the wallet.

It's always recommended to keep multiple copies of your seed phrase in different locations.
For more security, you can consider graving your seed phrase on a stainless steel plate instead of a writing it down on a paper.

I did with your way when saving my seed phrase, I use several placed not only saving seed phrase document but also I use two mobile phone and one computer to login with my wallet. When one place of saving my wallet loss access still have back up or recovery on another place of my mobile phone or computer. Its really important did when having important wallet access not only secure with saving seed phrase but also try to use several place access with our wallet.

Keep use your mobile phone with full of your controlling, don't try with your family mobile phone some time access by the other and get loss chance with our fund.

[posi]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

If you are in this situation, meaning you have lost your Seed Phrase, then I would like to send you my condolences that you will no longer have a chance to get your crypto assets back. But if you're just making an assumption and it hasn't occurred to you yet, you should quickly find another way to safely store your seed phrase. Only that way, when the war is over, can you get your crypto assets back. Protect the seed phrase by all means and try to survive the war.

[lovesmayfamilis]

You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

If we rely on the title of the OP topic, then I don’t think that everything that happens in these two countries will allow a person to calmly remember the phrase. People are so scared and stressed that even if they remain safe, their memory can fail them at any time.

[gantez]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I always have digits backup just in case despite many warnings here about not backing up your seed phrase online. I always zip my seed phrase with password and put it on an online storage such as icloud. I make the name of the zip files like a typical documents just to make sure a hacker won’t get interested on it just in case.

I always expect the worst since my country is always experiencing strong typhoons every year that give high risk of physical damage on my properties. On this case of war, I believe having an online backup is your best choice since you can’t guarantee the safety of your assets physically. Just move the coins safely on different wallet once you are already on safe place.

yeah you can do this on emails.  make three different emails.

 say 24aatyb6531@yahoo
and zz2266tak12@yahoo
and tw24xtyuoks@yahoo

put eight seeds in each in each address.

The only place to keep such would be in an email. Just pile up everything secret in one's email with a remarkable password. If one can remember the email password, one can easily open it after the war to assess whatever that's kept there but is the email even a better option with all the hacks we see every time?

I also thinking about the email idea and not writing it down on paper or to engrave in the stainless because if your building is suddenly on domestic fire and you are in your office you will not come home to rush inside the fire to save to get it.
If your apartment is attack in war like is happening in Israel and Palestine, Ukraine and Russia you run for your dear live, so it is difficult. I also believe email is a little safe if you have password that you can remember fast if you don't also lose your memory after the war. I think when saving in the email, you can make it secret or disorganized and you can save the wallet name different in draft that only you will be able to put them all together and the hacker will not know the name of the wallet to imput the passphrase. That is to secure against hackers .

[Peanutswar]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

At the very first place you must need to secure your funds with the backup of your seed phrase, it doesnt mean that it connected online having a check only on it is enough you must need to make sure you have the backup seed because its money or your asset, anything can happen as a worst case scenario, at that point seems you need to make it start again with your investment from zero or else you made already a good other resources of cashflow.

[stompix]

yeah you can do this on emails.  make three different emails.

 say 24aatyb6531@yahoo
and zz2266tak12@yahoo
and tw24xtyuoks@yahoo

put eight seeds in each in each address.

I would advise against it!

If you have absolutely no other solution, at least make it more difficult, four different addresses with different phone numbers (use a prepaid card) and spread the seed between those, not an entire seed in one address because if you do that and it gets hacked you've lost it, if you spread it then the hacked will only get 25% or 33% of the seed which would be useless!

Ignoring the small cases with users getting their google account hacked and their seed phrases stolen, we have the Mixin case where 200 million were lost because of a breach that led to their cloud storage account getting compromised!

Nice idea. Backup phrases with brain memory are very effective,

They are not!
People are not machines, they are bad at randomizing and are bad at learning and memorizing random stuff.
We use most of the time a mind picture or a logic chain to memorize things, if you can't find one in a series of 12 or 24 words most likely you will forget it unless you practice that thing every day which kind of defeats the whole thing!

There were numerous experiments with how people memorize things and excluding elements from memory is normal, so translating this to bitcoin seed phrases, if you happen to have a thing like:
cabbage grape jealous banana
your brain will try to associate the three words that are vegetables and fruits which would lead overtime with losing the 3rd word in the sequence.

[hyudien]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

After the war things will be difficult to start, the economy is not in a position to make a profit but usually goes to a place where economic growth is better. So many war victims decided to go to other countries to get work and a better life. If a device is damaged, including a computer that contains a recovery seed and has not been properly backed up, there is nothing that can be done. The country where I live is independent, but that doesn't mean I feel safe if the assets I own are not stored properly. Having a spare place is mandatory in times of crisis or war. So always having anticipatory vigilance is the best way, because unexpected things come in surprising ways.

[sokani]

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I've actually thought about this, though it's not an effective storing technique but I'm left with no choice since I'm constantly on the run for my life. Storing my seed phrase on a piece of paper or metallic steel plate may not be ideal at this point as it could be destroyed. I know I don't support storing of seed phrase electronically but if I happen to be in a country where there's war, I would save it in a cloud storage and if I make it through the war and everything returns back to normalcy. I would look for a computer or phone and access my funds. If it's still in intact, I would create a new wallet, transfer my funds to the wallet and keep my seed phrase offline.