Stainless steel or Titanium

[Myleschetty]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

Choosing a seed phrase backup metal is down to personal preference, cost, and availability.
Tungsten will be a good metal for seed phrase backup but it's more expensive and not easy to obtain like stainless steel.
Titanium has lightweight and it's highly resistant to corrosion but it's not easy to find. Besides, it costs more than stainless steel.
Stainless steel on the other is heavy than Titanium but very affordable compared to both Titanium and Tungsten and it also has excellent resistance to corrosion.
People mainly talk about Stainless steel of its value. Titanium and Tungsten are options for the humpback whale, etc.

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[Hamza2424]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

Haha, What is it buddy like really?

I don't think anyone can get bored of the 1RS Paper and even that paper can be used 4 times by cutting it into pieces.. If you are comfortable with its lifeline better wrap it with a plastic sheet (Lamination). TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.

[mvdheuvel1983]

Titanium is just as good as Stainless steel.

It all comes down to preference and affordability. I think one of the reasons stainless steel has been recommended as good for seed phrase backup is because of its affordability. Besides to make titanium useful for extreme application it has to be alloyed with aluminum. Titanium aluminide is the material used for extreme applications.

Feel free to use whatever works for you. The goal is to ensure that your seed phrase is safe and doesn't ever fall into the wrong hands

[_act_]

Besides to make titanium useful for extreme application it has to be alloyed with aluminum. Titanium aluminide is the material used for extreme applications.

According to what I saw about Titanium aluminide, it has high ductility which is the the ability of a material to have its shape changed if force is applied on it. Titanium is better, not tiitanium aluminide. Titanium aluminide also has a lower melting point if compared with pure titanium and instead of such alloy, stainless steel is better.

[ZAINmalik75]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

An easy answer is, that we might not need that, because we prefer this option in the first place, because unfortunately, if we are stuck in a situation of fire, or any natural disaster or humanoid disaster, our seed phrase remains safely printed on the metal. Whatever metal we are using.

After searching the recent event in Hawaii, the temperature recorded there was around 1000 degrees centigrade, and as you mentioned, stainless steel can bear the temperature of 1400 to 1570 °C. So, I don't think we need any metal while the stainless steel can do the work.

For your understanding, I would like to add, that the highest recorded temperature was around 9k °C maybe, and it was recorded in a nuclear test of Trinity. I hope you will find it by searching on Google. And I hope you are not asking for a metal which can bear the nuclear too. Because in today's world, I don't think that you would be able to use your seed phrase after any nuclear war. You know the reason.

And you can check the current rates of all the three metals, you mentioned and can compare it as per your need.

Titanium   $9.00 - $15.00
Stainless steel   $0.50 - $1.00
Tungsten   $30.00 - $40.00
prices are old, but you can get the idea from it

[goldkingcoiner]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

I see no difference. Unless you work in a molten steel company and you are in danger of your seed phrase backup falling out of your pocket into the furnace, I think you should be ok.

Which is to say that I do not recommend carrying your seed phrase with you or leaving it somewhere where it can be easily or mistakenly found.

The fancier the metal you choose, the more attention it might get from people. And if you use gold, then everyone will want to take a look at your shiny and expensive-looking seed phrase.

[Stalker22]

TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.

What are we really talking about here? You can literally find stainless steel everywhere around you in your everyday life. So, I doubt that buying a small piece of steel plate for jotting down your seed phrase will break the bank. Besides, if you cannot invest in a backup solution that costs just a few bucks, it raises questions about whether you have anything truly valuable to secure on your cold wallet.

[Not your key not your BTC]

When we talk about backup seed, It's not about cost or resistant heat. But, how easy are you stamping it.
if it's hard and difficult to stamp it, it is not really good, you can't read your seed clearly.

[pooya87]

When we talk about backup seed, It's not about cost or resistant heat. But, how easy are you stamping it.
if it's hard and difficult to stamp it, it is not really good, you can't read your seed clearly.

When metals are chosen, a metal sheet is used which can be as thin as 2-3 mm. Stamping them at home with a metal stamp tool like the picture below is very easy. These things have hardened tips that can easily indent the sheets with a small tap of a hammer.

[stompix]

I don't think anyone can get bored of the 1RS Paper and even that paper can be used 4 times by cutting it into pieces.. If you are comfortable with its lifeline better wrap it with a plastic sheet (Lamination). TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.

Sorry to tell you but this attitude will get you into trouble.

Trying to cut corners on securing basically the wealth you are trying so hard to increase is just, well, a stupid choice, no offense! Using the cheapest paper, probably writing it down with the cheapest pen and you might end up in two years with something unreadable. I have a contract from 2018 that because was printed on some really bad paper is now just one gray paper, nothing readable, and lamitating that paper won't do much good either.

You're being heap for what, $5-10 in order to secure evything? How much would those let's say $200 help you assume a x20 increase in Bitcoin compared to the risks of losing everything? I assume you also think a hardware wallet is a waste of money, so is having a separate machine for your wallet, right?

Again I'm surprised at the number of users claiming titanium is expensive, guys, it's not gold!!!

But, how easy are you stamping it.
if it's hard and difficult to stamp it, it is not really good, you can't read your seed clearly.

Titanium is not diamond, any cheap metal engraving tool will make a 1mm deep cut at every scratch with ease even with an amateur behind, if you're using a stamping tool, again it's easy for the average Joe, you're not using a 10-20 mm sheet IFV armour.


 

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Trying to cut corners on securing basically the wealth you are trying so hard to increase is just, well, a stupid choice, no offense! Using the cheapest paper, probably writing it down with the cheapest pen and you might end up in two years with something unreadable. I have a contract from 2018 that because was printed on some really bad paper is now just one gray paper, nothing readable, and lamitating that paper won't do much good either.

I have used cheap pen for backup and I the ones I used more than 25 years ago are still clearly seen on a paper. The only paper that I know that is not good has been the thermal paper.

If you get a pen that students are using with the blue ink or black ink, you can use it to backup your seed phrase on a student book paper and it will not fade. If you do not want to use a pen, you can use a pencil. Both backup can last for many decades.

You can do another backup every year.

[cafter]

I have securely stored my seed phrase in two separate places. The first copy is on a piece of strong paper, and the second backup is on my old laptop, which has been formatted and is not connected to the internet.

I have written down the seed phrase as a single .txt file with one text on each file for 12 times, with each of the words numbered sequentially from 1 to 12, following the order of the seed words.
like this [1.txt], [2.txt], [3,txt] [....].

[m2017]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

I can’t even imagine where you will find a tungsten plate and whether you can put seed phrases on it. How much effort and money will it cost.

Stainless steel is ideal in terms of price and quality ratio, it is widely distributed and can be found in any shape, including even various alloys. But with titanium, some problems already arise with availability and price, although, in principle, this is also feasible, if desired. Yes, at least make seed phrase backup from kryptonite, if you find it or buy it and can engrave the necessary words on it..

The best metal or alloy for applying the seed phrase is not determined by the melting point alone. There are also other parameters, for example, how easy the material is to process. The stronger the metal, the more difficult it will be to do this.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Sorry to tell you but this attitude will get you into trouble.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with using paper instead of metal. The majority of my back ups are on paper.

Indeed, I think using metal can sometimes lead users astray. They create a single metal back up and assume that they are completely safe, even though they are still at risk of losing it, theft, natural disasters, and so on. I would much rather have two paper back ups in separate locations than one metal back up, especially if that one metal back up is stored in the same place as my wallets themselves (i.e. at home). As the old saying goes "Two is one, one is none".

[Jon_Hodl]

I have spent some time researching this and technically Titanium is better if you are worried about a house fire but the reality is that will never be a real threat to most people.

Stainless steel is a great option at a reasonable price point and much easier to find online because that's what most companies sell.

I personally like the Codl Co PunchPlate because they have a bunch of 304 stainless steel options and at a price point of around $30 (often less during a sale). Codl Co PunchPlates are made in the USA so it might cost a bit more to ship to where you live but imho, they provide the highest level of security/durability at one of the lowest prices.

Some seed phrase storage plates from other companies are thinner and cost like $50 - $70 + shipping. Imho, that's kind of absurd for a piece of steel with some laser etching on it.

For most people, paper stored somewhere safe is just fine. For added security, steel is the most accessible option. For the absolute highest level of durability, titanium is the best but you will pay for it.   

I also wrote a detailed article on how to securely write your seed phrase that you might find helpful. I hope you find the right balance of security for your own particular circumstances.   

[safar1980]

If I have $2000 worth of coins in my wallet then I would use paper or encryption.
But if there are 100 times more coins, then it is better to buy the most reliable plate for storing the phrase.
The most expensive Cryptotag Odin 7 titanium plates I've seen are priced at $250, but that's not expensive for $200,000 worth of storage.

[dkbit98]

Apples or orange.
We talked about titanium used instead of stainless steel, but you just didn't saw that.
Onekey is one brand that is making backup plates made only from titanoum metal, but I think I saw few others doing it also.
It is true that titanium have a higher melting point, but it is more expensive, and it is not so easy to find it in local shops like stainless steel.
I heard there are some temperature overheating issues with new iPhone because they used new titanium material for the first time.

[Rikafip]

Indeed, I think using metal can sometimes lead users astray. They create a single metal back up and assume that they are completely safe, even though they are still at risk of losing it, theft, natural disasters, and so on. I would much rather have two paper back ups in separate locations than one metal back up, especially if that one metal back up is stored in the same place as my wallets themselves (i.e. at home).

This. Good luck finding your metal plate in case something serious happens to your house/building like fire, earthquake or any other natural disaster.

Instead of that I opted for exactly what you mentioned, paper back ups in two separate locations that are very far away from each other.

[safar1980]

Apples or orange.
We talked about titanium used instead of stainless steel, but you just didn't saw that.
Onekey is one brand that is making backup plates made only from titanoum metal, but I think I saw few others doing it also.
It is true that titanium have a higher melting point, but it is more expensive, and it is not so easy to find it in local shops like stainless steel.
I heard there are some temperature overheating issues with new iPhone because they used new titanium material for the first time.

Is this a good store?
https://cryptotag.io/shop/
They have a lot of titanium products, and I'm sure there are no problems with deliveries to Europe and the USA. Even in Russia, I checked trusted stores where I could buy these titanium plates. and prices are affordable even for novice users.

[nakamura12]

Reason why many people prefer the use aluminium or different kinds of metal is because it's price to acquire the metal. Well, it's a different story if you are rich orhave decent amount of money where you can spare some money to buy titanium since it's much better than other metal. Buying titanium will cost you much more money compared to buying aluminium. I would also prefer using aluminium myself since I can't afford to buy titanium to use it for writing your seed phrase.