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October 24, 2023, 08:36:05 AM
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The most expensive Cryptotag Odin 7 titanium plates I've seen are priced at $250, but that's not expensive for $200,000 worth of storage.
Also completely unnecessary. You can buy a sheet of titanium metal around 10cm x 10cm x 0.5cm for less than $30 online or at a hardware store, which is easily large and thick enough to securely store a seed phrase.

I heard there are some temperature overheating issues with new iPhone because they used new titanium material for the first time.
That's to do with its thermal conductivity being much lower than that of aluminum, which is not really relevant to our purposes here.

I would also prefer using aluminium myself since I can't afford to buy titanium to use it for writing your seed phrase.
Anything that would destroy a paper back up will probably destroy an aluminum back up. It melts at temperatures well below an average house fire, is highly reactive and susceptible to corrosion, and is very weak and easily deformed. It is a very poor choice, not to mention not really any cheaper than stainless steel.
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October 24, 2023, 12:10:11 PM
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Anything can be used as long as it can be written on and the writing is durable. Choosing a place to store seed phrases depends on each individual. Steel, Titanium, Tungsten or paper both have the same function in maintaining writing that lasts a long time. Everyone certainly wants their seed phrase written down and stored in a safe place, writing the seed phrase on a metal plate is also not a bad choice, you can store it in a safe that can withstand high temperatures.

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October 24, 2023, 02:22:31 PM
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To write wallet phrase codes, I personally do not use steel or titanium. But I just use plain paper. Because if you use paper it will be easier to hide or tuck anywhere. Unlike steel or titanium, it is certain that hiding it also requires a slightly larger space. Because steel or titanium is definitely very hard.
Therefore, I personally prefer paper to write down the wallet phrase code that I have. Because basically if it is stored in a dry and safe place, the paper containing the wallet phrase code will definitely be safe.

But writing wallet code phrases on paper also has a bit of risk too, if kept for a very long time. Like the paper could be eaten by termites, or the writing could become blurry because it's been around for too long. Therefore I have a way to overcome it. Namely, when writing wallet phrase codes, I use a pen that contains very good quality ink so that the writing lasts longer. I learned this method from my teacher who showed me his writing which was more than 40 years old, but the writing was still very clear and not blurry in the slightest. Then he told me that when he made the writing, he used a pen that had very good ink content.

And to deal with termites that often eat paper, this method is certainly known by many people. That is only need to buy anti-termite medicine. So even though I use paper to write the wallet phrase code that I have. But I am very confident that it will be very safe and will last a very long time. Apart from that, I personally have made a plan, that every five years I will rewrite the wallet phrase code that I have just in case and minimize the slightest risk.

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October 24, 2023, 03:19:53 PM
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The most expensive Cryptotag Odin 7 titanium plates I've seen are priced at $250, but that's not expensive for $200,000 worth of storage.
Also completely unnecessary. You can buy a sheet of titanium metal around 10cm x 10cm x 0.5cm for less than $30 online or at a hardware store, which is easily large and thick enough to securely store a seed phrase.
Then you need to buy 2 sheets of titanium metal to check the quality on the first sheet. Then you need to buy a metal stamp tool, then also buy a cover for this sheet. If you try to calculate the time spent on checking and additional purchases, then I would purchase a tested product from a good manufacturer.

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Printing over Titanium and Tungsten metal is highly challenging and requires special tools compared to Stainless steel but in terms of cost, both stainless steel and titanium can be in the same range while Tungsten will at least double the amount over the two.

The availability of the metal is the actual reason why many people recommend it but in my opinion, I will never prefer all of the above to print my seeds unless for experimental purposes.


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October 26, 2023, 07:32:25 PM
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But writing wallet code phrases on paper also has a bit of risk too, if kept for a very long time. Like the paper could be eaten by termites,
Nice, but termites are actually one of the least things that crossed my mind, though this could be a problem if you live in an insect infested area. Among the shortcomings of paper storage, I could only think of children, water and fire.

The availability of the metal is the actual reason why many people recommend it but in my opinion, I will never prefer all of the above to print my seeds unless for experimental purposes.
Because of the cost acquiring a titanium or tungsten metal and paying someone to crest the letters on it, I would stick with writing my seed phrase on a piece of paper. Also, I have multiple backups stored in different locations incase one gets destroyed.

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October 28, 2023, 05:13:05 PM
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TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.

What are we really talking about here? You can literally find stainless steel everywhere around you in your everyday life. So, I doubt that buying a small piece of steel plate for jotting down your seed phrase will break the bank. Besides, if you cannot invest in a backup solution that costs just a few bucks, it raises questions about whether you have anything truly valuable to secure on your cold wallet.

Haha, I do not have a stainless steel backup solution and it is raising questions about my holdings  Grin, seniors don't you think you've said much on that, What my point of view is even if it costs a few bucks, there's no need of it, I can do something better with just paper & lamination.

I'm sure this is just a random idea, but I'm sure there will be many fans who would love to secure their seed on the gold sheet, some may prefer Platinum as well but I'm a person who used to keep it simple like really. For the Questionnaire on something valuable I own or not as I'm a junior I can't compete with you still I'm happy with my holdings and even with my backup solution  Wink.

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Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?


When trying to give reasons or factors that affect anything for it's relevance you always have to check it's affordability, stainless steel can be considered an averagely good option but in terms of it's price it has become the majority favorite.

Titanium has better quality than that of stainless steel but it's not easy to get one of the reasons why the new iphone is spectacular and it's price is up is because it's made of titanium a very light metal that is super durable.

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October 28, 2023, 05:49:10 PM
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Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

Tungsten is extremely brittle substance  when it is stressed  and this physical property would prevent  it from usage in seed phrase backup even if the cost were 1 cent for gram.

What is your problem, let's say,  with stainless steel washers? They are relatively cheep and easy to work with.


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October 28, 2023, 07:35:39 PM
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Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?
o_e_l_e_o gave the same answer. I researched about it and I found it to be true. It can shatter upon impact and not recommended despite the high melting point.

What is your problem, let's say,  with stainless steel washers? They are relatively cheep and easy to work with.
My problem is that I want to know more about it as only stainless steel has been what people are saying on this forum but I noticed recently that titanium has a higher melting point than stainless steel and can be better, but according to what I have seen from what people are posting, stainless steel is still highly recommended, while titanium is also good.

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October 29, 2023, 05:46:35 PM
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What is your problem, let's say,  with stainless steel washers? They are relatively cheep and easy to work with.
My problem is that I want to know more about it as only stainless steel has been what people are saying on this forum but I noticed recently that titanium has a higher melting point than stainless steel and can be better, but according to what I have seen from what people are posting, stainless steel is still highly recommended, while titanium is also good.

Titanium is not just a metal with a higher melting point - it is also way stronger and lighter than stainless steel.  With half the density, a titanium plate weighs half as much as a stainless steel one the same size and  so titanium gives you the strength of stainless steel without all the extra weight.  I guess that is why some folks go for titanium instead - it has that perfect combo of strong and light, better resistance to corrosion and can handle various chemicals that might react with steel. And, yeah, it also looks pretty darn cool too!  Not that you are going to brag about your backup seed or show it off to anyone, but still... Wink

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