My suggestion on how to reduce the spam problem in gambling board, what's yours?

[Russlenat]

As we all know, the Gambling Board is one of the most active boards in the forum. However, some members may be wondering why they aren't receiving merits. My guess is that merit sources may struggle to review the numerous posts and topics due to the high volume, and some threads are quite generic, with answers that can easily be found through quick research. We don't discourage posting, but there should be limitations on how long a thread can stay active. This should be based on the judgment of the moderators because when a topic remains active for an extended period with redundant answers, it can turn into a spam thread.

In my opinion, the most relevant topics are related to sports betting. Updates are frequent, and members are eager to discuss matters concerning their betting decisions. Some of the active threads in this board are as follows:

2023 NBA Season 
NBA 2023-2024 betting 
NFL Sportsbet.io discussion & predications thread
Tennis League All Thread

And many more.

I have a suggestion: I'd like posters to create specific threads for individual games. For instance, today there are six NBA games happening, and if there are posters who want to share their insights, they could create a dedicated thread for each game. In these threads, they can include statistics, betting predictions, and any information that can help members who subscribe to that particular thread stay informed about how the poster's predictions are unfolding. This approach would keep the conversations organized and prevent them from becoming cluttered, unlike general discussion threads where it can be hard to follow the discussion's path.

While some might view this as creating duplicate threads, I believe it would make the discussions more relevant and keep the threads cleaner since they would be topic-specific. I'd appreciate your insights on this idea and any suggestions on how to improve the board further, given that we can't prevent posters from making posts there, especially since many of our signature campaigns are likely gambling-related, and their rules require members to make a minimum number of posts to get paid.


For the active campaign, we can see in Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

By my count, 17 out of the 28 total active signature campaigns are associated with casino platforms, which means that 60% of these campaigns focus their posts on the gambling section. Without taking necessary actions to address this issue, the Gambling Board may be flooded with redundant posts, or in other words, spam.

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[Zaguru12]

Ahh this seems like a very bad idea, to be honest. Imagine In a game of football where club matches for each countries league are nothing less than 7 matches each week (some twice a week). With Almost more than 7 league games discussed on the gambling boards that’s like at least 50 threads a week just for football games. The likes of NBA, Rugby and the rest have their own games too so the number will definitely be more than 100 in a week only. This will greatly increase the scam because someone that could have just discussed more than one game he is interested in a single post will have to write them in 4 or more threads.

The suggestion only thing would have been a moderator but right now even that is not visible at all because I can’t see how a moderator will work it out there. If we also suggest thread created there should include moderation by OP it won’t still be a great idea because it is sports and most people do not agree with each other and you know why happens to post that OP who moderates it doesn’t agree with, you just sees a counter thread created from it.

Igebotz, also brought up some interesting suggestions on how to reduce the spam there but certainly it has gotten out of hand that I think you just can’t. The only way is when gambling signatures do not just exist again which is not possible. So I doubt any other proper solution

[albert0bsd]

What about talk with those campaigns managers to request them to pay only to quality post? Just Kidding, but i bet that most of those spam comes from users on signature campaigns related to sport and gambling?

[Russlenat]

What about talk with those campaigns managers to request them to pay only to quality post?

There's no need for that, as campaign managers know how to perform their tasks. They are also well aware of the level of spam in the forum, so they won't tolerate spammers in their campaigns.

Just Kidding, but i bet that most of those spam comes from users on signature campaigns related to sport and gambling?

No, not in my opinion. I believe their discussions are more specific. They are humans, and they know what they are talking about. They focus on current events, and there's no way an article or AI would be of much help for their responses.

I'm specifically referring to generic threads like "How to stop gambling addiction?"

[Plaguedeath]

I think you define spam is mega thread, that's why you suggest people to create fresh new thread, I don't agree with that despite some other users think it's spam. Mega thread isn't always spam, but spam post is where the poster create generic post and you can report it to the moderator.

There's no difference between a poster create generic post in fresh new created thread and mega thread, except the brands visibility.

If you in a campaign where the manager ask to not post in mega thread, then you can choose to agree or not join the campaign, not necessary request for other people to agree with that.

I'm specifically referring to generic threads like "How to stop gambling addiction?"

Use report to moderator.

if there are posters who want to share their insights, they could create a dedicated thread for each game. In these threads, they can include statistics, betting predictions, and any information that can help members who subscribe to that particular thread stay informed about how the poster's predictions are unfolding.

Yeah, this is what we would see in the gambling discussion section .

[Russlenat]

if there are posters who want to share their insights, they could create a dedicated thread for each game. In these threads, they can include statistics, betting predictions, and any information that can help members who subscribe to that particular thread stay informed about how the poster's predictions are unfolding.

Yeah, this is what we would see in the gambling discussion section .

Hey, are you into sports betting? Have you joined different betting forums outside Bitcointalk?

Here are two of the forums I followed, and my recommendation was slightly influenced by how it's done there to create effective discussions. If you have time, kindly check and kindly share your thoughts.


https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basketball-betting/
https://www.covers.com/forum/nba-betting-22

[Upgrade00]

Both links you added above are of purely gambling websites, this forum is not a gambling website but a Bitcoin discussion forum with a gambling board.

Also, both platforms do not have the traffic that bitcointalk has, so it needs to generate more discussions to make the place active, the gambling section here is already hyper active and needs suggestions to declutter it, not make it worse. Your suggestions will make the number of new threads started and dropped after a week to increase and make discussions even more difficult to follow.

[Russlenat]

Both links you added above are of purely gambling websites, this forum is not a gambling website but a Bitcoin discussion forum with a gambling board.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But consider the facts I'm bringing up: the majority of the posts coming from signature campaigns are related to gambling boards. What makes this forum particularly active is the signature campaign. Therefore, I find it to be a major concern that needs to be addressed.

Your suggestions will make the number of new threads started and dropped after a week to increase and make discussions even more difficult to follow.

When a certain game is over, there's no reason to follow it anymore, hence that will make a thread inactive, or best if it will be locked by the OP if he is responsible enough to do that.

I believe, based on my observation, that this has been happening on the forum for a while. Not just in basketball, but in the realm of boxing sports as well. You see, there are long threads dedicated to boxing speculations. However, when a new fight is scheduled, a new thread is created specifically for that bout. This makes it easier to follow the latest developments, including the latest news, rumors, and updates on betting odds.


Let's not only consider the forum rules but also take into account the perception of the gamblers. I believe that sports betting enthusiasts and responsible forum users would better understand the sentiment expressed in my post.

[FatFork]

Both links you added above are of purely gambling websites, this forum is not a gambling website but a Bitcoin discussion forum with a gambling board.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But consider the facts I'm bringing up: the majority of the posts coming from signature campaigns are related to gambling boards. What makes this forum particularly active is the signature campaign. Therefore, I find it to be a major concern that needs to be addressed.

The title implies like you wanna stop all the spam on the Gambling board.  But I don't really get how making more topics is gonna fix that. 

Plus, someone said the spammers are all part of gambling signature campaigns.  but you responded to the comment that the campaign managers know it's a problem here and they wont put up with the spammers in their campaigns. So if it ain't the signature campaign people doing it, where's all this spam coming from then? I'm just tryin to understand what's going on and what your goal is here.

[Russlenat]

I'm just tryin to understand what's going on and what your goal is here.

Both links you added above are of purely gambling websites, this forum is not a gambling website but a Bitcoin discussion forum with a gambling board.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But consider the facts I'm bringing up: the majority of the posts coming from signature campaigns are related to gambling boards. What makes this forum particularly active is the signature campaign. Therefore, I find it to be a major concern that needs to be addressed.

The title implies like you wanna stop all the spam on the Gambling board.  But I don't really get how making more topics is gonna fix that. 

Absolutely, it was my intention, and this is just my suggestion, so I'm seeking input on its viability. As I explained, even though the topic itself isn't spam, it can sometimes turn into a mega thread, which in some people's eyes might resemble a spam thread. So my suggestion is to divide the topic. For instance, if I open a discussion about a specific match-up or game, that topic might only remain interesting for a day or even less, as after the game, it's no longer a subject of discussion unless someone is trying to make spam posts. However, as mentioned, the OP could lock the thread to prevent this from happening.

The problem with mega threads is that when you're trying to follow a particular discussion, you might lose track of it due to the sheer number of posts in one thread.

For example, in the context of the NBA, if there are 10 games on a given day, everyone will be discussing these 10 games mixed together. Some might only focus on the more popular games, so those interested in betting on every game and seeking insights from other posters might not find the information they're looking for. It's hard to get noticed or get answers in a fast-moving mega thread. Just think about how many posts are created in an hour in a mega thread; it can be challenging to find the information you need. With dedicated threads for each game or match-up, it becomes more organized and easier to access relevant information.

Moreover, in dedicated threads, it's simpler to detect and report spammers because it's easy to spot if a certain user is spamming in a thread with only a few replies.

Plus, someone said the spammers are all part of gambling signature campaigns.  but you responded to the comment that the campaign managers know it's a problem here and they wont put up with the spammers in their campaigns.

No, not all of them are not spammers, they just looked like spammers because they tend to post on mega threads due to limited threads being created.

Solutions is suggested above.

[tbct_mt2]

No, not all of them are not spammers, they just looked like spammers because they tend to post on mega threads due to limited threads being created.

Do you think posts are in new threads actually not spam, better in quality than posts in Mega threads. They can create new threads and post but it won't make their posts are better in quality.

Managers judge post quality and count it for payment, it's their works.

Not only this, but do you think posts get merit are always better than posts don't get merits. I don't this is always automatically right to judge post quality by these criteria: Mega threads, new threads, merited or not merited.

[bitmover]

Both links you added above are of purely gambling websites, this forum is not a gambling website but a Bitcoin discussion forum with a gambling board.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But consider the facts I'm bringing up: the majority of the posts coming from signature campaigns are related to gambling boards. What makes this forum particularly active is the signature campaign. Therefore, I find it to be a major concern that needs to be addressed.

The title implies like you wanna stop all the spam on the Gambling board.  But I don't really get how making more topics is gonna fix that. 

As a merit source , I barely open threads with more than 2 pages.

Gambling board is filled with megathreads,  which me and other merit sources just ignore.

The problem with the lack of merit might be related to that

[Rikafip]

For instance, today there are six NBA games happening, and if there are posters who want to share their insights, they could create a dedicated thread for each game. In these threads, they can include statistics, betting predictions, and any information that can help members who subscribe to that particular thread stay informed about how the poster's predictions are unfolding.

And why do you think that those who would be active in those boardsd would actually talk about odds and other gambling related stuff instead just sharing their usual stuff?

I suggest it to make a test: pick some popular football (or any other sport) game this weekend and make a thread about it and see what happens. Addiotionally, make it a self-moderated so you can delete all the posts not actually related to gambling and let us know how many posts were there?

Your suggestion would maybe make sense if every sport had its board (realisctially, even then it would be a problem) but with the current state on Gambling Board, it would be a total mess to have new thread for every game.

The only way to solve gambling board spam is for managers to be way more strict when counting posts there, but since there's more spots in gambling signature campaigns than gambling posters who know what they are talking about, result is what we have at the moment.

[348Judah]

You have an idea but gambling is not what can be combined altogether in summary to a particular thread base on category, this will only solve the incessant creation of threads but not spamming, even if the whole thread are combined altogether that doesn't solved the spamming challenges, you can take the wall observers as a good example, let's first discuss how this spammers are coming in.

They are mostly bounty hunters, trollers and users with less activeness on the forum, the moderators are there and that's their work, report any low quality post to them to take necessary action and that solve the problem, another thing is if you create a thread there, you can make it self moderated, very simple.

[FatFork]

Plus, someone said the spammers are all part of gambling signature campaigns.  but you responded to the comment that the campaign managers know it's a problem here and they wont put up with the spammers in their campaigns.

No, not all of them are not spammers, they just looked like spammers because they tend to post on mega threads due to limited threads being created.

Solutions is suggested above.

No, I didn't say that all campaign participants are spammers, but it's true that the majority of spammers are indeed campaign participants. If you remove the incentive, I doubt there would be as much spam on the forum. There would be no reason for it.

The solution to cut down on spam is pretty simple.  Just report any messages that look like spam to the mods.  And if there's someone who keeps doing it over and over, tell their campaign manager so they can watch what that person's posting more carefully.  That's all there is to it.

[SamReomo]

As a merit source , I barely open threads with more than 2 pages.

Gambling board is filled with megathreads,  which me and other merit sources just ignore.

The problem with the lack of merit might be related to that

Very true the gambling board is filled with mega-threads and most of the members of the forum tend to avoid such threads. The merit sources always try to find good posts which they can send some smerits and it's a quite difficult task for a human to view each post in a mega-thread. I try my best to open threads which are no more than 4 pages but in gambling board the situation is different as there are very few threads that are less than 4 pages and that's why I give sometime to read the last two page of a board before making any posts there.

It would be a really difficult to fix such issues of the gambling board and that's why most of the merit sources and a few members of the forum avoid sending any merits at those boards. I remember a manager posted his merit source application thread on Meta because he wanted to be a merit source at gambling board so that he may send a merits to some posts in gambling boards. I think that such merit source applications should be supported by the members of the forum and the admins should view those applications and accept those so that good posts at gambling boards can also get some merits.

[yahoo62278]

When we started asking users to make 5-10 posts per week in the gambling section(myself and Hhampuz), we were not thinking of the spam it might cause. We were thinking of casinos that were opening campaigns and where posts would be the most helpful for them. There were plenty of topics with lots of ongoing discussion, that it didn't feel like it was going to lead to the mess it has caused today.

I think because of these requirements, users feel in a rush to make posts in the gambling sections, but they pay no attention to if they are doing it correctly. Then, while posting a new topic in the wrong section, they make the post and do not participate in the discussion.

Managers need to crack down on the spam. Remove members that 1. cannot post in the correct section and 2. make a new topic and abandon it. I might also think the requirement of posting in gambling sections needs to be rethought. Maybe something like a bonus for posting in the gambling section as long as its done correctly. Something def needs to change or we are going to see more shit threads like:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462473.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469933.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470658.0

The list goes on and on and these probably aren't the best examples but you guys can see what i'm talking about. Just random silly questions to get post quota.

[LoyceV]

Managers need to crack down on the spam.

That won't happen unless the Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign) are enforced. Just take a look at a few dozen of the most active posters: 90% is paid by Stake, which has paid spammers for a very long time.

[Solosanz]

I think this kind problem can't be solved, report to moderator button isn't working since high ranked account's post that contain at least 2-3 lines aren't spam by the moderator. Either open a new thread, post in mega thread, creating new section etc, it's not a solution since the spammer will play in the other thread/section.

So it's what it's.

That won't happen unless the Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign) are enforced. Just take a look at a few dozen of the most active posters: 90% is paid by Stake, which has paid spammers for a very long time.

We have another one which could compete Stake.

[Poker Player]

Just leave it like that.

If you see posts that are fucking shit, report them, as mentioned above, but that there are many threads in which people are simply dedicated to meet post quota what it does is to fulfill the function that that board has. The advertisers are happy because they generate traffic to their casinos, the posters are happy because they get paid and the forum has traffic that would go elsewhere if it made the effort to implement "quality" in that section.