My suggestion on how to reduce the spam problem in gambling board, what's yours?

[PytagoraZ]

By my count, 17 out of the 28 total active signature campaigns are associated with casino platforms, which means that 60% of these campaigns focus their posts on the gambling section. Without taking necessary actions to address this issue, the Gambling Board may be flooded with redundant posts, or in other words, spam.

Actually, what is spam? If it's flooded with comments and is considered spam then it's dangerous. In my opinion, as long as the post is still relevant and not off topic then it is not spam. I sometimes read posts on gambling board and see posts that seem repetitive but I check that they don't contain plagiarism, their comments are still on topic so I don't think they're spam, maybe posts with low quality are more appropriate

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[Poker Player]

Actually, what is spam? If it's flooded with comments and is considered spam then it's dangerous. In my opinion, as long as the post is still relevant and not off topic then it is not spam. I sometimes read posts on gambling board and see posts that seem repetitive but I check that they don't contain plagiarism, their comments are still on topic so I don't think they're spam, maybe posts with low quality are more appropriate

There are people who usually write very high quality posts, and/or frequent technical boards, and would like the gambling section to be like that, but it's not about that.

Serious discussions about gambling could be summarized as: don't gamble because you are throwing your money away in the long run. There is not much more to discuss than that. Then there are disciplines that don't necessarily mean throwing your money away, like poker or horse racing, but that don't interest the forum much, and sports betting which does interest a bit but most commenters are among the 95% of losers.

If you want traffic in that section you are not going to get quality. And the other way around.

Seeing how important this section has been in the history of the forum, and how important gambling has been in the history of Bitcoin, I say leave it as it is, which I think in this thread is a bit like preaching in the wilderness but I would say that from the highest levels of the forum think similarly.

[Smartvirus]

I have a suggestion: I'd like posters to create specific threads for individual games. For instance, today there are six NBA games happening, and if there are posters who want to share their insights, they could create a dedicated thread for each game. In these threads, they can include statistics, betting predictions, and any information that can help members who subscribe to that particular thread stay informed about how the poster's predictions are unfolding. This approach would keep the conversations organized and prevent them from becoming cluttered, unlike general discussion threads where it can be hard to follow the discussion's path.

While some might view this as creating duplicate threads, I believe it would make the discussions more relevant and keep the threads cleaner since they would be topic-specific.

There is no duplication of thread when it has to do with creating threads based on a specific game, it’s a game fixed for a day and at a time, once the game is done, it’s is over with.

Speaking of the approach though, what becomes of the case where its got to do with the sportsbook aspect of gaming… Do they get to create threads for every specific match of the match day live…? I’m surprised you didn’t bring soccer up as some of the popular threads because, I think that’s where you find the most activities and posts on the gambling board.

That aside, an issue with this approach is that, you’re going to find people creating more and more threads and having them easily dumped or bumped from time to time just to spam on an irrelevant detail. After all, the thread wouldn’t be too old to prompt a bumping of an old thread report.

I feel it would make spamming more relevant than it already is with less moderation on that board.

[Rruchi man]

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The gambling board is not the only board with that peculiar case of spammers. Spamming, spammers and the spam problem will always be in the forum. If spammers are driven away from the gambling board, they will find another board to spam. Best you can do is to continue to report any post you consider as spam to the mod for removal.

[Eternad]

This should be based on the judgment of the moderators because when a topic remains active for an extended period with redundant answers, it can turn into a spam thread.

Having repeated discussion can’t be avoided since the sports is just repeating the whole cycle. There’s a chance to repeat the discussion if we discussed about Lebron James today and other specific athletes next year and so on.

Same with Bitcoin discussion whenever there’s a bullish and bearish trend. We can’t say that this repeated discussion is spam since it’s related to the current event. What I hate reading on gambling discussion thread are those huge wall post that makes it longer for the sake of characters while the main thought is can be a simplified by shorter post.

[philipma1957]

This should be based on the judgment of the moderators because when a topic remains active for an extended period with redundant answers, it can turn into a spam thread.

Having repeated discussion can’t be avoided since the sports is just repeating the whole cycle. There’s a chance to repeat the discussion if we discussed about Lebron James today and other specific athletes next year and so on.

Same with Bitcoin discussion whenever there’s a bullish and bearish trend. We can’t say that this repeated discussion is spam since it’s related to the current event. What I hate reading on gambling discussion thread are those huge wall post that makes it longer for the sake of characters while the main thought is can be a simplified by shorter post.

This is what it is all about.

On a saturday in the usa there are 100 college football games.
in a week in football season usa there are 15 pro football games.
never mind golf.
football/soccer world wide so many fucking games
basket ball at least three leagues nba wnba and there is a european league.
horse racing there are 1000 races a day.

So if I did  “ a Phil is the god of gambling prediction thread “ I could list 1000 picks a day.

Some think it would be spam but If I was picking at 80% it would be the most watched thread in the world.

The op wants a separate thread for every pick. that means 1000 threads a day.

this is a no go.

here is the list for 1 horse race track.

https://entries.horseracingnation.com/entries-results/belmont-at-aqueduct/2023-10-20

nine races a day.

so nine threads 🧵 there are at least 30 racetracks in USA alone

your idea means 270 threads a day for usa horse racing.

and that is not as good as a mega thread.  to call it spam in either case is not true.

as gambling is repetitive by nature.

[Shamm]

What about talk with those campaigns managers to request them to pay only to quality post? Just Kidding, but i bet that most of those spam comes from users on signature campaigns related to sport and gambling?

Anyways there are still many true gamblers who was made a topic or replied to those topic they like. Maybe it called a spamming but still we can't blame them casue there's a time they made a good topics as well. So it better to relax and read replies when we encounter to the gambling sections cause there's a useful topics that we can gathered more knowledge about gambling. Anyways as long us there's no violations the rules and regulations then still we can't do an action for now.

[LoyceV]

We have another one which could compete Stake.

As a campaign manager, I would reject campaigns that pay so little. At that price, you can only get shitposters. And even if you get a decent poster, he'll be taken by a higher paying campaign soon.

[goxcraft]

There are no automated tools to fight off spam posts. Spammers will always keep spamming the forum until they find anything more profitable to work with. It doesn't matter how many boards are there; the less, the more. There is no filtering process for spam. All we can do to fix this problem is report it to the moderators. So they can sort this out according to the rules and policy. From my perspective, I think spam as this, but suggestions are always welcome.

Just report them and tag them if you think they are genuine spammers. Simple!! 

[philipma1957]

The problem is the very nature of gambling it is very repetitive. So it is spam like.

[Halab]

I might also think the requirement of posting in gambling sections needs to be rethought. Maybe something like a bonus for posting in the gambling section as long as its done correctly. Something def needs to change or we are going to see more shit threads like:

I may sound like a Care Bear, but why not just blow up the minimum limit for posts per week ?

I will share my experiences with signature campaigns. I have participated in 3 (4 actually) campaigns.

The first one I have to make 15 posts / week (with no section restriction). It was a real pain. As you probably noticed, I'm not the biggest poster of the forum. I try to make sure that my posts aren't a waste of time for the reader (an info from the Staff section, a small mod's point of view, a little joke, etc...).
But today that would be even worse. I'd have to make posts starting with :
- Congrats...
- As others have said...
- Ho wow, I didn't remember that...
(I know you know what I'm talking about )

4 months later I was lucky enough to join CM for my 2nd campaign. No min post required. Haaaaa no more pressure. No more parroting. No more congratulating someone that I don't give a fuck.

After CM ended, I was very sad when I looked at the prerequisites for active campaigns. Almost none of them suited me (no min post, local section, no mixers). I had to wait 4 months before Icopress descended from the sky like an angel in a halo of light with AgoraDesk and now Exch.


I know you're going to tell me that your clients need to be seen. But why not hire more users ?

Let's say your client is willing to spend 2000$ / week. Let's say it's around 400 posts per week (I'm just taking a guess here).
What is the difference for your client between :
20 users who will struggle by making shitposts : 20 (users) * 20 (posts) = 400 posts.
40 users who will relax and make useful (and read) posts : 40 (users) * 10 (posts) = 400 posts.
That's still 400 posts, but probably a lot less shitposts.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes for a campaign manager, clients are certainly demanding on certain points, and I'm no one to tell you what to do, but wouldn't it be possible to do it this way (+ bonus for posting in the gambling section) ?
I'm not saying it's the perfect solution, there will always be shitposters.

[yahoo62278]

Let's say your client is willing to spend 2000$ / week. Let's say it's around 400 posts per week (I'm just taking a guess here).
What is the difference for your client between :
20 users who will struggle by making shitposts : 20 (users) * 20 (posts) = 400 posts.
40 users who will relax and make useful (and read) posts : 40 (users) * 10 (posts) = 400 posts.
That's still 400 posts, but probably a lot less shitposts.

If all campaigns do not follow the same standard/protocol then you will end up with hiring lesser quality posters. All your decent posters are not going to apply for a campaign just because they have less posts to make weekly unless the pay is the same and that's probably not going to be the case. Half the posts = half the pay and we all know that everyone chases the dollar here.

[hugeblack]

If you find a SPAM member wearing a signature, report it to the campaign manager.
If a spam member is found without a signature, click Report to mod.
repeat

[LTU_btc]

Ahh this seems like a very bad idea, to be honest. Imagine In a game of football where club matches for each countries league are nothing less than 7 matches each week (some twice a week). With Almost more than 7 league games discussed on the gambling boards that’s like at least 50 threads a week just for football games. The likes of NBA, Rugby and the rest have their own games too so the number will definitely be more than 100 in a week only. This will greatly increase the scam because someone that could have just discussed more than one game he is interested in a single post will have to write them in 4 or more threads.

That's what I wanted to say, but you've done it before me. I think that OP's suggestion would make sitaution on gambling board even worse. Let's say there is 6 EPL game in one day, 4 La Liga games, similar numbers in other top football leagues, 10 games in NBA and plenty games in other sports that get discussed here. And same thing all week long. Imagine how gambling board would look then. I'm trying to imagine how much time I would need to find topic about specific game.
Also, it's not right to compare Bitcointalk with gambling only forums. And one of reasons is signature campaigns offcourse.
And megathreads isn't always bad thing. There is some good example like various prediction pool topics or self-moderated topics. People don't just discuss about one particular game and move one, we have productive continuous discussion all season long.

[EarnOnVictor]

There is no need for this but thanks for the time and suggestion made.

For me, I don't believe there is anything different done elsewhere that is not being done at the gambling section, only that merit sources choose to abandon it simply because if not all, almost all of them are in mixers' campaigns and other campaigns that are not gambling.

This is why some of them even see the gambling section as an abomination and also preach against it which is supposed not to be so. It would have been different if it was only the casinos and sportsbooks we advertised here. That's human beings though.

Nonetheless, there are quality writers in the gambling section but they are only disenfranchised for that. Just like moderation, I think it's time that some merit sources are assigned to some specific places like the gambling section. It needs it so that good efforts are not wasted in the most active section of the forum.

[_BlackStar]

If you find a SPAM member wearing a signature, report it to the campaign manager.
If a spam member is found without a signature, click Report to mod.
repeat

I have been one of the active users reporting spam and low quality posts on several gambling board megathread in the past - but due to the increasing number of my reports not being unhandled by moderators, I have stopped them. The reason is very simple - the moderators don't seem to think the post is bad and worth deleting as the discussion is still ongoing and covers ongoing events as well as post-match analysis and speculation as well.

Spam has always existed and it's not just on gambling discussion board - that means there are several other board too that have a lot of spammers for repetitive and low-quality posts. However, gambling posters are not all spammers and these board have actually been an important part of the crypto industry so far. But I don't quite agree with the OP's idea - it would just make the gambling board worse by the large number of thread per event.

[philipma1957]

If you find a SPAM member wearing a signature, report it to the campaign manager.
If a spam member is found without a signature, click Report to mod.
repeat

I have been one of the active users reporting spam and low quality posts on several gambling board megathread in the past - but due to the increasing number of my reports not being unhandled by moderators, I have stopped them. The reason is very simple - the moderators don't seem to think the post is bad and worth deleting as the discussion is still ongoing and covers ongoing events as well as post-match analysis and speculation as well.

Spam has always existed and it's not just on gambling discussion board - that means there are several other board too that have a lot of spammers for repetitive and low-quality posts. However, gambling posters are not all spammers and these board have actually been an important part of the crypto industry so far. But I don't quite agree with the OP's idea - it would just make the gambling board worse by the large number of thread per event.

Like I said the very nature of gambling involves constant repetition. Which is very much the same as spam.

If I make an Amazon Thursday night football prediction  for all 18 games

and I compare my straight up  pick with my point pick and invite others to do the same on the thread it will be repetitive. Same as spam but its betting or gambling. Others may follow my win picks as I am godlike picking them.

[PX-Z]

No, not in my opinion. I believe their discussions are more specific. They are humans, and they know what they are talking about. They focus on current events, and there's no way an article or AI would be of much help for their responses.

I'm specifically referring to generic threads like "How to stop gambling addiction?"

Some replies there are redundant these are the questions that are asked and should be locked or reported to get locks when a simple question is asked and answered. Those threads or questions that are opinionated or experience-based questions are the one who blow up in replies of pages.

As for the OP, you heard it, that will make the board worst. Just let all the huge games like that like NBA in one thread, another for betting results and one for discussions/opinions, the same for other sports.

[KingsDen]

Just leave it like that.

If you see posts that are fucking shit, report them, as mentioned above, but that there are many threads in which people are simply dedicated to meet post quota what it does is to fulfill the function that that board has. The advertisers are happy because they generate traffic to their casinos, the posters are happy because they get paid and the forum has traffic that would go elsewhere if it made the effort to implement "quality" in that section.

That is what most people do not actually understand. Before now I was among those clamouring for changes in the gambling discussion board but as time progresses I understood that the system is fair, if I cannot confidently say it's fine. Those gambling discussion mega threads like the "English Premier League" has cool ranking in search engines and whenever cryptocurrency gambling key words are used, it leads to these mega threads. As PP recommended, simply ignore or report.

Yeah, this is what we would see in the gambling discussion section .

This will only spread the spam across the whole board and encourage multiple opening of spam topics to encourage more spamming. Having one dedicated thread will only organise the spam in one thread.

[Russlenat]

I must say, I'm really impressed with your responses, especially those of you who've taken the time to provide some figures to illustrate why creating a dedicated thread for every game might not be the best idea. A special shoutout to @LoyceV, @philipma1957, @Halab, and @yahoo62278 for sharing their insights.

I didn't realize just how many games are out there in different leagues. I can't even imagine the chaos it would bring if every poster decided to create a topic, whether for spamming or genuine purposes. It's evident that it would lead to an increase in spam posts. You've all educated me on this topic, and I appreciate it. I was only focused on one league I love to follow, without realizing there's a whole world of other leagues out there.

So, it seems there's not much we can do to change the current situation, but we can all be responsible and report any posters we suspect of spamming to the moderators and campaign managers.

Thank you for your time, and I think it's time to lock this thread since it has already gathered enough information to satisfy my curiosity.