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October 24, 2023, 03:02:32 AM
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So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.


First mate , I don't want to just jump in casino that not ask KYC for creating account and deposit/play instantly instead I will Dig their TOC and check the possibilities of being asked KYC when withdrawal needs.

Second I already saw so many issues about that same problem , in which the site will suddenly asked for all types of KYC( hoping that you fail and won't get your money for some violation) isn't obvious that they wanted to trap us?

better to forget about KYC in gambling and admit that yo have more safer gambling games is to deal with KYC upfront ( of course not all casino that ask KYC are legit)
but for other reason try not to deal with so New gambling site.

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October 24, 2023, 03:19:50 AM
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

I myself have said before that platforms should ask for KYC if they plan to do so before anyone can deposit money and not only ask for KYC once someone won something. But then again I wonder if someone is dealing with a platform that also intends to scam, what does it help when KYC is provided and approved beforehand? Does it even make a difference? If a platform approves KYC and there is a big win, firstly they could still say that their security department found that there is something missing or wrong with the documentation provided, and secondly they could just scam someone and come up with all kinds of reasons that are hard to counter, like some suspicious playing behavior and then they don't provide proof themselves, we know how they do it.
This is where their license will come in. Whatever country has jurisdiction over the said gambling site could provide some help to the gamblers who are scammed, the gambler can sue them for not giving out the rewards that are supposed to be his. Most scammy gambling sites don't have a license to operate and we must also look into that first before we pass our KYC.
Without it, we will just get ourselves in more trouble with both anti-money laundering cases and maybe tax evasion.
For the example you said, if ever there comes a victim of a scam gambling site who is still avoiding all the passed information by the gambler, there is nothing we can do to chase everything that they took.
KYC is for those with legitimate business because they don't want trouble from their government and I think it's also a good thing for higher security. Other gambling sites only do this so they can sell our information in the black market and that's when we will receive some phishing emails or identity theft.

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October 24, 2023, 04:13:01 AM
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Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
This is hard but are you going to let your won money be forfeited? $70k is a huge amount, it can change your life for the better. Therefore, if that's the only solution then I'll go with it and take a risk.

Anyway, if you don't want to put in such situation, be careful on where you're going to gamble. Choose a reputable casinos so you're certain that they will not going to scam you. Moreover, better to comply on KYC before playing so it's not a problem incase you win a huge amount. Avoid playing in new casinos unless their platform is proven by gamblers as trustworthy based on their experience playing on the casino.

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October 24, 2023, 04:21:50 AM
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

Of course, even though a lottery outlet will also ask for personal data information from the person who won, it can't be without KYC to show. Of course, that's for identification, to prove that you really are the person who won on their platform. Don't give it to just one person, because then many people will pretend to be it.

Especially with his kind of value, it is normal to ask you for documents because it is not a small amount of value to release the money on the gambling platform where you won a large value.



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October 24, 2023, 10:40:30 AM
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But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

Of course, even though a lottery outlet will also ask for personal data information from the person who won, it can't be without KYC to show. Of course, that's for identification, to prove that you really are the person who won on their platform. Don't give it to just one person, because then many people will pretend to be it.

Especially with his kind of value, it is normal to ask you for documents because it is not a small amount of value to release the money on the gambling platform where you won a large value.
It will depend on whether we think about doing KYC or will skip it even though our winnings are big. Many people may do KYC if it's a lot of money because they think that with that much money, they can enjoy it and change their lives for the better. But some people don't care about those big wins because they must do KYC before withdrawing the winnings.

And that is a natural thing for many people because they have their own considerations before they do something. However, some people will borrow someone else's identity to do KYC because they think that their identity is optional to do KYC at the casino.

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October 24, 2023, 10:55:52 AM
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' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.









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October 24, 2023, 06:11:57 PM
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' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.

That's the wrong approach. I should beforehand consider whether I would be willing to provide full KYC to the known or unknown operators of a casino. If the answer to myself is that I won't provide KYC, wouldn't it be totally wrong to start playing on that website? At least if I have to deposit money and am not playing with either free bets or free spins, I should make sure what to do when the unlikely event happens that I crack a jackpot. Unless I would be playing with free money where in the end it doesn't matter whether I can withdraw (although it could still be painful, but I don't lose any), I would not play on a website that I don't trust.
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October 24, 2023, 06:33:18 PM
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With that amount, that's already a lot of money honestly and the majority of us wouldn't mind going on with the procedure of providing for the KYC. I know that we all value our privacy but with that win and money, do you think that you can just ignore that? If you're rich like Drake or any other gamblers then for sure it won't matter to you but I think even, they won't just let it pass to ignore that money.

It is a lot of money to ignore and if you ever have that stand that you are totally valuing your privacy, you probably also have provided KYC in some exchanges so it doesn't make sense if in a casino where you've won a lot and they're asking you for verification will not be noticed. In exchanges, we do it so we can trade whilst in this scenario there's money on the line and it's hard to pass over that.

Aside from that, if you really like the casino that you're gambling with and they ask you to do that. That's something that will take away your joy when you like them so much and you enjoy having fun there.


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October 24, 2023, 11:38:46 PM
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This is where their license will come in. Whatever country has jurisdiction over the said gambling site could provide some help to the gamblers who are scammed, the gambler can sue them for not giving out the rewards that are supposed to be his. Most scammy gambling sites don't have a license to operate and we must also look into that first before we pass our KYC.
Without it, we will just get ourselves in more trouble with both anti-money laundering cases and maybe tax evasion.
For the example you said, if ever there comes a victim of a scam gambling site who is still avoiding all the passed information by the gambler, there is nothing we can do to chase everything that they took.
KYC is for those with legitimate business because they don't want trouble from their government and I think it's also a good thing for higher security. Other gambling sites only do this so they can sell our information in the black market and that's when we will receive some phishing emails or identity theft.

Thanks for sharing this and I have often wondered, how do I know which license is the right one and which is not? I am referring to the potential recourse you can take based on the specific license obtained by a casino. When I read these certificate numbers and letters, it is mostly hieroglyphs to me. How can I find out whether a specific license can help me with any action I may want to take against a casino in case of required arbitration or litigation? Sure, if there is no license at all, we don't even need to bother about KYC and let alone any money we won on that platform. But if they have a license, is there a place on the Internet I can go to and that tells me about the options I have in case of a dispute?

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October 25, 2023, 02:43:08 AM
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So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, I would like to point out that if the casino service I will use doesn't have a good reputation I definitely don't prefer this service for gambling because a business that doesn't have a reputation usually contributes significantly to the emergence of various problems. Additionally, verification of customers' identity information is generally mandated by the government in online and physical casinos. For this reason, sharing identity and private information after choosing a non-reputable gambling service is abused due to this obligation.

The only suggestion I can make about such a situation is to do research on the casino service to be used before starting to gamble and if it is a reputable business choose to gamble there. In this way, if identity verification is requested after a potential high win the identity verification process can be completed without any suspicion and the winnings withdrawal can be completed successfully.
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October 25, 2023, 04:20:35 AM
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' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.
For the last couple of years , people keep talking and questioning about KYC in Online gambling specially in Crypto world when the truth is  KYC must be Mandatory if they don't want to have bigger problem in the future.
imagine when you need to withdraw above the limit of the site when you need to go through providing your legitimacy as winner ,
why not provide this earlier?
and the problem also in some site that they are not implementing KYC in account creation and in depositing ,but they will implement when there is withdrawal ,showing that they are only trapping gamblers and take the advantage or possibilities that the said withdrawal will not go through because of questionable players.









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October 25, 2023, 08:09:04 AM
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By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling, because for the safety of gamblers we need to use a regulated casino for our good, you aren't safe either if you start using any casino that promised you that no form of verification will be carried out.

Trust me, such casinos are capable of doing anything they like because asking for KYC is an act of legal operation, nothing makes sense than a casino having the appropriate license, before you make deposit on any casinos you must be certain that they follow the regulations or else your money isn't safe either, not even your information is protected.

If you crave for privacy when gambling, use crypto for your bets and use a well regulated casino, if you don't like KYC do not gamble, find something else to do, but if you don't care about your privacy and information, you can use any casino you see, including those that don't need your KYC.

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October 25, 2023, 10:40:03 AM
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So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, I would like to point out that if the casino service I will use doesn't have a good reputation I definitely don't prefer this service for gambling because a business that doesn't have a reputation usually contributes significantly to the emergence of various problems. Additionally, verification of customers' identity information is generally mandated by the government in online and physical casinos. For this reason, sharing identity and private information after choosing a non-reputable gambling service is abused due to this obligation.

The only suggestion I can make about such a situation is to do research on the casino service to be used before starting to gamble and if it is a reputable business choose to gamble there. In this way, if identity verification is requested after a potential high win the identity verification process can be completed without any suspicion and the winnings withdrawal can be completed successfully.
Reputation is very important. The image of a casino is very important to gamblers because the industry is full of dishonest businesses and problems. The problems that come up when a business doesnt have a good reputation arent small things; they're disasters ready to happen. On the surface, the problem may seem simple, but its actually caused by a complex web of possible problems.

You made it clear that identity checking is more than just a formality. Because i's required by the government, dishonest companies can twist and turn it to suit their own needs. Its not just about winning; its also about keeping your money and reputation safe. As you said, the solution isnt revolutionary, but it is undeniably important: more study. Just picking a reputable business isnt enough; you have to dig deep, look closely, and stay aware all the time. Not only is it important to play the game well, but also to understand all of its subtleties.

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October 25, 2023, 12:19:04 PM
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So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
This is why it's very important to sign up with only regulated casinos, casinos who are regulated within your region is easier to deal with Incase such as this but if they are not  registered and regulated they could get away with any act and legal actions cannot be taken against them. If they happen to be a reputable and regulated casino, you can go ahead and provide them with the required information after all the money is Worth it.

Not providing the information is at your detriment, I'm sure these casino wouldn't want to dig into your personal life and if they eventually request certain details, it's possible you make changes after withdrawal to continually keep yourself safe, and if any issues arises resulting from the information you provided them you could report them or take actions against them if they are reputable enough, they would do everything to get the issues resolved and make sure further actions is not taken as it will be bad business for them and they wouldn't want such for their business.

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October 25, 2023, 12:23:42 PM
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By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling
I agree.

By the time that you step on into a casino, you're gonna expose your data on them and you have no choice but to be obliged on obeying them.

Even if there's a casino that tells you that you are 100% KYC safe and they'll never ask you that in the future, still don't be confident.

On the case of getting that money, I can do a lot of things with that. So be it, privacy matters or not, you'll gonna get KYCed so you have got no option though.



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October 25, 2023, 01:06:33 PM
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So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
This is why it's very important to sign up with only regulated casinos, casinos who are regulated within your region is easier to deal with Incase such as this but if they are not  registered and regulated they could get away with any act and legal actions cannot be taken against them. If they happen to be a reputable and regulated casino, you can go ahead and provide them with the required information after all the money is Worth it.

Not providing the information is at your detriment, I'm sure these casino wouldn't want to dig into your personal life and if they eventually request certain details, it's possible you make changes after withdrawal to continually keep yourself safe, and if any issues arises resulting from the information you provided them you could report them or take actions against them if they are reputable enough, they would do everything to get the issues resolved and make sure further actions is not taken as it will be bad business for them and they wouldn't want such for their business.
A must thing to do but there are really that people who are really that adventurous and does really like to touch up new places or platforms then this is where they do really put up themselves at risks which i dont really see for it to be worth but since we do know that not all sites or new ones would really be turning out to be a scam then there's a probability that theres a chance  that it would really be that become successful or popular in the future. No one really knows because recognition and demand will really be that basing or depending on how a certain platform would really perform and able to get peoples attention.

Privacy does really matter on this crypto world because this industry wont really be that become big and known if it is really just that the same with that fiat gambling on which we know that our information is really that been exposed or known in default. On the time that you do really be able to encounter such sudden KYC on crypto based platforms then it would really be that creating that some sort of
impression that it isnt really just that right that decentralized market will really go or touch up into this path.

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October 25, 2023, 04:39:27 PM
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So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
When it comes to issues with money, I doubt if there will be anybody willing to choose "privacy" over a life-changing money (i.e $70,000) in this present economy where "Sapa don dey show people Shege" (i.e Nigerian slang which means hungry people). Because if it is I personally, I will say that I can only go for privacy, if only with my privacy I'm able to make more than $70,000 early weekly or monthly. But if with my privacy, I'm still not able to make regular $70,000, then I don't mind submitting all the necessary information just to get my $70,000. Because I didn't steal the money, I worked hard for it, and every good labourer deserves his wages.

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October 25, 2023, 04:56:51 PM
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By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling, because for the safety of gamblers we need to use a regulated casino for our good, you aren't safe either if you start using any casino that promised you that no form of verification will be carried out.

Trust me, such casinos are capable of doing anything they like because asking for KYC is an act of legal operation, nothing makes sense than a casino having the appropriate license, before you make deposit on any casinos you must be certain that they follow the regulations or else your money isn't safe either, not even your information is protected.

If you crave for privacy when gambling, use crypto for your bets and use a well regulated casino, if you don't like KYC do not gamble, find something else to do, but if you don't care about your privacy and information, you can use any casino you see, including those that don't need your KYC.
Not gambling online, not shopping online, and not doing anything online may protect them in terms of privacy because they don't need to verify their accounts so they can feel safe because they don't submit any documents to second or third parties. That's why we need to look for a casino that suits us, and it's not easy because we have to check them one by one and not rely on advice from other people. After all, what someone else uses may be different from what we want.

Casinos can do whatever they like, and this is where we have to check in more detail so that we know that the casino will not cause problems for its members. Trusted casinos will not have any problems because it is related to their reputation. Instead, they will explain everything to their customers who need help understanding more about the rules of their casino. They can use crypto to gamble, but we have to remember that casinos can ask us to do KYC anytime they want, so we have to make sure that we can get a casino that suits us.

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October 25, 2023, 05:07:17 PM
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So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, before any serious gambler use any casino, first thing he ought to have check is if the Casino requires a KYC or not, if you are the type that sidestep casinos with a mandatory KYC, it's better you avoid them quickly and if giving your last family to have your money isn't a problem to you then, it's nothing to worry about but I will advise you to do a KYC before you start playing in any casino, there are instances where Casino can reject your documents just so they can stop you from having access to your winnings, it happens.

The whole saga about KYC and gambling isn't an issue to me because if you are not playing in a casino that doesn't request for KYC, then the gambler should know from beginning that there privacy doesn't matter to them, the very day they signed up and register an account is the day they forgone their privacy, playing in a KYC casino means your privacy is gone.


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October 25, 2023, 05:07:50 PM
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So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
When it comes to issues with money, I doubt if there will be anybody willing to choose "privacy" over a life-changing money (i.e $70,000) in this present economy where "Sapa don dey show people Shege" (i.e Nigerian slang which means hungry people). Because if it is I personally, I will say that I can only go for privacy, if only with my privacy I'm able to make more than $70,000 early weekly or monthly. But if with my privacy, I'm still not able to make regular $70,000, then I don't mind submitting all the necessary information just to get my $70,000. Because I didn't steal the money, I worked hard for it, and every good labourer deserves his wages.
Yes, Privacy is not an issue for $70000. Because with such an amount it is possible to change the whole life. So I don't think anyone would care about his privacy for such an amount at least at that time. And kyc is mandatory in almost all sites so doing kyc is not a problem even if you don't get an amount like $70k. But if not a large amount of money is involved, people may be a bit concerned about their privacy.  But when someone uses a trusted site they don't even have this thought



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