BC.Game - can't withdraw 7.97 BTC

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Is there a word for "at least I got some of the money back from the thieves"?

It was wise to take whatever was in the table. Partially solved, let's keep it that way.
At-least you got something back which is a good news.

t seems only casino streamers "can" win millions of dollars. When ordinary players have problems with an amount ten times less. It is sad((

That's what they show you. In reality the streamers and the casino owners have internal deal. They just get paid for their time.

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[PX-Z]

t seems only casino streamers "can" win millions of dollars. When ordinary players have problems with an amount ten times less. It is sad((

That's what they show you. In reality the streamers and the casino owners have internal deal. They just get paid for their time.

Only for paid partnership streamers though. But not to those who just make a video out of it without affiliation, just to show off or something. But it rarely happens as streamers with huge fandom or not that huge will probably mentioned their price for every video/stream made.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

t seems only casino streamers "can" win millions of dollars. When ordinary players have problems with an amount ten times less. It is sad((

That's what they show you. In reality the streamers and the casino owners have internal deal. They just get paid for their time.

Only for paid partnership streamers though. But not to those who just make a video out of it without affiliation, just to show off or something. But it rarely happens as streamers with huge fandom or not that huge will probably mentioned their price for every video/stream made.

When you see a streamer is wagering hundreds of thousands of bets on slots and losing or winning anything from it, don't consider it real. Casino and them had a deal.

They receive balance from the casino with conditions like wager x time [30x or 50x something like that] if you win something after or if you have any balance after wagering the required amount then it's yours [there will be a maximum limit too, if the remaining balance cross the limit then the rest will be wiped from the account].

The deal can be a fee for the time they spend too. The same way, casino will credit them huge balance and they have to play the slots in front of their audience.

[BenCodie]

It's becoming increasingly intriguing that BC.Game are bragging about being open and transparent and yet this case is still unresolved. It is starting to make me think that this one user's balance is the one that is being used to provide the resolutions to all of the other cases.

Once this case is resolved, only then will I believe that BC.Game have come here with yet another account to make right. 7.97 BTC is a large enough amount of money for them to compensate all of the others they temporarily scammed, rebuild enough reputation to make out as if they are good enough to use, and leave this user unpaid.

I will chew on my words happily if they come back to this thread and make things right with this user. This is the case I have my eye on most.

note: I am aware that BC.Game considers this resolved - however receiving money back in USDT does not consider this solved. It's confiscation of winnings, loss of value and still, potentially unfair confiscation of winnings.

Ok, so umm... I'm honestly not sure I should be happy you get your fund back [at least some amount of it] or feel kinda upset because you lost a considerable amount from the rate difference. But, are we considering this case solved? If so, please mark it as solved and lock this thread, and I'll update the current list of the cases against them in regards to this. If you want to, I can add a note at the update log saying, "they decide to pay in USDT as per the deposit day's rate instead of in BTC as per the user requested as part of the deal"?

Considering the issue "solved" would be an overstatement. Is there a word for "at least I got some of the money back from the thieves"?

Even the OP himself ended my conversation with him on this with a smile having rethought his fault.

Wut?

If you play high enough stakes, after a profitable gaming session you'll have a high balance, it's really that simple. Your advice to not hold large sums in casinos is tantamount to not playing high stakes, thus making gambling uninteresting for a number of people. So in essence you're on a gambling forum telling people it's their fault they're gambling. It adds nothing of value to the conversation.

This user doesn't seem happy with the result:

An update on my scam accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471569.msg63209143#msg63209143

In the end I've received USDT124k. Even when we agreed for all bets to be deemed void and my deposit to be refunded, they decided to pay out not BTC (which I deposit and played) but USDT value of BTC, which is of course much more convenient for them considering how much BTC has jumped in value over the last month or so. Looking at todays rate that's another 1.25 BTC they've stolen from me.

I accepted the offer to be paid in USDT after consulting with efialtis and heeding his advice to take what's on the table. I'd like to thank him here as well as it seems they reactivated the AG complaint on 2 occasions I asked him to contact the casino for me.

At one point I was willing to go the legal route as some people I'm friends with from the industry claimed to know the right lawyers for the job. However after considering the state of the casino and all the red flags (casino rep not active on the forum anymore, account blocks, KYC taking months, unresponsive CS, extremely generous loyalty scheme, unable to make good on resolved disputes, refusing to pay out big winners, a huge number of complaints on AG and CG to name a few) I deemed it highly likely that they are having solvency issues and might not be around for as long as it takes for an international lawsuit to bear fruit. Honestly, at this point I'm happy to have gotten anything out.

I consider this casino to be a 100% scam. Small time players might still be okay to play for a while, as it's typical for a casino going under to refuse payouts to the few biggest winners in order to keep afloat. In this context high stakes players are the canary in the coal mine.

And personally, neither am I.

It seems like the user took the resolution only because he doubted solvency of bc.game - in other words, out of fear, not fairness.

As said on another thread - I hope that the community does not just let this casino get away with holding so many funds in limbo, and that the community also thinks about all of the players who might not have bothered visiting a mediation platform, or posted publicly, and may still be at a loss.

[BC.Game Support]

After thorough consideration and in consultation with our administration team, we have reached a decision regarding the compensation for the user. In an effort to address the matter comprehensively and transparently, we have opted to reimburse the user with the remaining funds that were lost due to the Bitcoin price fluctuations.

As a demonstration of our commitment to resolving the issue at hand, we have successfully transmitted $46,000  to the user in question. This brings the cumulative total disbursed to an amount of $170,000.

We sincerely hope that this resolution is to the satisfaction of the concerned user and that it contributes to rebuilding trust within our forum community. Our intention is to ensure that every member feels valued and that their concerns are addressed with the utmost diligence.

Should there be any further inquiries or feedback, we encourage users to reach out to our dedicated support channels.

[acroman08]

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I see that several scam accusations against your gambling site have been resolved, I have to say that I applaud that your team and your gambling site are trying to resolve BC.games scam accusations that have been raised against your gambling casino.

@OP if you see the latest post of BC.game support, would you mind confirming that you have received the $46k they have transmitted to you as compensation for the funds that were lost due to bitcoin price fluctuations?

[dplay]

I'd like to confirm that BC.Game have indeed paid me an additional 46k. It's nice to see they're alive and kicking, they might not be going under after all.

Seeing they're committed to work on their reputation here, I'd like to use the opportunity and ask them to comment on the initial confiscation of my funds on the basis of faulty BJ play. To remind everyone, BC.Game's claim is the following:



So they claim I played a game which had RTP above 100%, yet they also admit I lost money playing it. That's why they decided to void all my bets and refund my deposits.

In the interest of fairness and transparency, I ask of them to comment in detail the alleged exploit in the rules. Considering they now claim the game is "fixed" there is no security reason why they wouldn't be able to comment.

Please explain to the community why you confiscated over 3btc from my account. Thanks.

[BC.Game Support]

So they claim I played a game which had RTP above 100%, yet they also admit I lost money playing it. That's why they decided to void all my bets and refund my deposits.

In the interest of fairness and transparency, I ask of them to comment in detail the alleged exploit in the rules. Considering they now claim the game is "fixed" there is no security reason why they wouldn't be able to comment.

Please explain to the community why you confiscated over 3btc from my account. Thanks.

The game itself did not have over 100% RTP, but rather when your game-play combined with the prizes received from the daily tournament and the bonuses allowed you to wager safely to receive over 100% RTP.


We have the right to revoke bonuses when a user is taking advantage of them to profit off our website without any loss factor (as clearly mentioned in our ToS). You've admitted by yourself that you've lost over 5 BTC from playing blackjack but profited 8.5 BTC solely off bonuses.

If we were to really void all your bonuses, you would've received only 2.1 BTC back from your initial deposit, as you've already lost 5 BTC. But out of good faith, we decided to refund your entire deposit's worth of BTC. No other website would do such a thing.

You've first agreed to a deal for $124,000, settled the case, and then complained about the price difference once the deal was settled. We felt your request was genuine and fair, and we honored you with additional $46,000 as well. But you will not be receiving any profit you've made by abusing our bonus system. This is an unreasonable request.

[icopress]

In the interest of fairness and transparency, I ask of them to comment in detail the alleged exploit in the rules. Considering they now claim the game is "fixed" there is no security reason why they wouldn't be able to comment.

Please explain to the community why you confiscated over 3btc from my account. Thanks.

I just sent BC.Game a PM and advised against answering this question for two reasons.

1. Disclosure of this information may endanger other gambling platforms.
2. I see that you have reached an agreement (and an additional agreement to compensate for the difference due to the price jump).

Edit: I've decided to accept their offer to refund my deposits, but I expect that to be done in BTC.

Seeing they're committed to work on their reputation here, I'd like to use the opportunity [...]

Yes, BC resolved all open cases in a short time, but the problem was that BC did not provide technical support on the forum until recently and they are not familiar with all the intricacies of forum reputational aspects. But they have everything in front of them... Therefore, I would advise you to discard this thought if you continue to want to be taken seriously.

So this case is closed.

[Russtie Beerkan]

Burden of proof lies with the accuser.
If BC accuse OP of an exploit, they should prove it.

[holydarkness]

I'd like to confirm that BC.Game have indeed paid me an additional 46k. It's nice to see they're alive and kicking, they might not be going under after all.

Seeing they're committed to work on their reputation here, I'd like to use the opportunity and ask them to comment on the initial confiscation of my funds on the basis of faulty BJ play. To remind everyone, BC.Game's claim is the following:

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So they claim I played a game which had RTP above 100%, yet they also admit I lost money playing it. That's why they decided to void all my bets and refund my deposits.

In the interest of fairness and transparency, I ask of them to comment in detail the alleged exploit in the rules. Considering they now claim the game is "fixed" there is no security reason why they wouldn't be able to comment.

Please explain to the community why you confiscated over 3btc from my account. Thanks.

I am moving your post from other thread here to give more context:

I'd like to remind everyone that they confiscated my funds as they felt I should've lost more money gambling. I do not consider my issue with them resolved. Details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471569.msg63242609#msg63242609 .

Now, it looks like greed, is it not?

I gave your complaints another read and the case can actually be appropriately marked as closed within the first complaint, with USDT 124,637, this is the deal they offered and which you accepted. Granted, you ask for it to be in BTC, but they didn't actually and explicitly accept this term,



And further, you both seal the deal with them sending the agreed fund and you explicitly said, "yes, this is acceptable".



Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should mark the situation as resolved and you should've voided the right to ask for more. Yet they somehow provide more for you as a show of good gesture, to match your demand. And you seemingly see it as a weakness and try to exploit it by demanding an explanation for 3 btc and [once again] do not consider your issue as resolved.

Tell me I read this wrongly?

Burden of proof lies with the accuser.
If BC accuse OP of an exploit, they should prove it.

Read again, they made a deal and agree to settle. The burden of proof no longer applies.


BC.Game Support, I think you don't have to meet this demand. As provided above, the case should've been marked as closed due to OP's own acknowledgement.

[dplay]

I'd like to confirm that BC.Game have indeed paid me an additional 46k. It's nice to see they're alive and kicking, they might not be going under after all.

Seeing they're committed to work on their reputation here, I'd like to use the opportunity and ask them to comment on the initial confiscation of my funds on the basis of faulty BJ play. To remind everyone, BC.Game's claim is the following:

[image snip]

So they claim I played a game which had RTP above 100%, yet they also admit I lost money playing it. That's why they decided to void all my bets and refund my deposits.

In the interest of fairness and transparency, I ask of them to comment in detail the alleged exploit in the rules. Considering they now claim the game is "fixed" there is no security reason why they wouldn't be able to comment.

Please explain to the community why you confiscated over 3btc from my account. Thanks.

I am moving your post from other thread here to give more context:

I'd like to remind everyone that they confiscated my funds as they felt I should've lost more money gambling. I do not consider my issue with them resolved. Details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471569.msg63242609#msg63242609 .

Now, it looks like greed, is it not?

I gave your complaints another read and the case can actually be appropriately marked as closed within the first complaint, with USDT 124,637, this is the deal they offered and which you accepted. Granted, you ask for it to be in BTC, but they didn't actually and explicitly accept this term,



And further, you both seal the deal with them sending the agreed fund and you explicitly said, "yes, this is acceptable".



Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should mark the situation as resolved and you should've voided the right to ask for more. Yet they somehow provide more for you as a show of good gesture, to match your demand. And you seemingly see it as a weakness and try to exploit it by demanding an explanation for 3 btc and [once again] do not consider your issue as resolved.

Tell me I read this wrongly?

Burden of proof lies with the accuser.
If BC accuse OP of an exploit, they should prove it.

Read again, they made a deal and agree to settle. The burden of proof no longer applies.


BC.Game Support, I think you don't have to meet this demand. As provided above, the case should've been marked as closed due to OP's own acknowledgement.

I've already explained that I've settled the AG complaint as I felt it prudent to get any money out as quickly as I can.

The fact remains they voided all my play as they felt I should've lost more than I did. They mention an exploit but refuse to prove it.

[holydarkness]

I've already explained that I've settled the AG complaint as I felt it prudent to get any money out as quickly as I can.

The fact remains they voided all my play as they felt I should've lost more than I did. They mention an exploit but refuse to prove it.

So this is how it goes according to your side: you had a situation with them, they offered a deal, you accepted the deal because you think they'll go bankrupt, and now that you know they're going to stay, you wanted to ask for more? Is it because, in your opinion, that's your right?

Unfortunately, the fact that remains here is you both made a deal, they fulfill their end of the deal, and you've made your acknowledgement that the deal is done. Keywords are deal and done. The whole presumption of guilt, presumption of innocence, burden of proof, and others were thrown out of the window when you both agreed to make a deal to an amount [and it's paid] because there is no more case. It's closed with the deal.

And the fact that you made a written statement that the deal is done, without them pressuring you [remember that the whole bankruptcy scenario was your pure assumption, they're not hinting or misleading you with anything] and that there's no other terms within that deal other than the agreement of certain amount, dis-entitle you to ask for more.

[dplay]

Yes, from a legal point of view I'm not entitled from any more funds. I also have no expectation they'll make me whole.

I'm writing here to remind people that they blocked my account and withheld my funds for almost 2 months alleging exploits and provided 0 proof. I'm writing this as I know people are reading the forum and to some of them this will be useful info.

I've made a compromise with a failing casino to get some of the funds now, instead of all of the funds probably never. That does not make them reputable.

[holydarkness]

Yes, from a legal point of view I'm not entitled from any more funds. I also have no expectation they'll make me whole.

I'm writing here to remind people that they blocked my account and withheld my funds for almost 2 months alleging exploits and provided 0 proof. I'm writing this as I know people are reading the forum and to some of them this will be useful info.

I've made a compromise with a failing casino to get some of the funds now, instead of all of the funds probably never. That does not make them reputable.

Well from ethic side, you're not entitled to any more funds either, you backed out of a deal. Honestly, I find it quite ironic how the table quickly turned. On an extreme degree, you can even be considered breaching a written agreement, given you're agree to a settlement, yet later you state that,

I'd like to remind everyone that they confiscated my funds as they felt I should've lost more money gambling. I do not consider my issue with them resolved. Details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471569.msg63242609#msg63242609 .

[dplay]

Yes, from a legal point of view I'm not entitled from any more funds. I also have no expectation they'll make me whole.

I'm writing here to remind people that they blocked my account and withheld my funds for almost 2 months alleging exploits and provided 0 proof. I'm writing this as I know people are reading the forum and to some of them this will be useful info.

I've made a compromise with a failing casino to get some of the funds now, instead of all of the funds probably never. That does not make them reputable.

Well from ethic side, you're not entitled to any more funds either, you backed out of a deal. Honestly, I find it quite ironic how the table quickly turned. On an extreme degree, you can even be considered breaching a written agreement, given you're agree to a settlement, yet later you state that,

I'd like to remind everyone that they confiscated my funds as they felt I should've lost more money gambling. I do not consider my issue with them resolved. Details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471569.msg63242609#msg63242609 .

I've made it a point to emphasize several times that I've taken the deal out of practical concerns for my funds, not because I thought the deal was fair. They had the upper hand of holding my funds hostage and barely communicating for over a month. In retrospect I still think that was a smart decision.

I'd also like to thank you personally for actively replying to the thread and keeping it relevant, even tho you disagree with me. Because of that it will get more views and more people will be exposed to the info provided here, hopefully some of them will find it useful when deciding whether to deposit their hard mined coins to bc.game.