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October 26, 2023, 03:20:59 AM
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Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic? Fortunately, I did not post in his self-moderated threads, so none of my posts were deleted. But he managed to delete his posts from Gazeta's thread and managed to make all my replies merge and delete the original posts.

So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.

Are there any similar precedents in the forum? I didn't quite catch what happened with Lauda, and then some of the tone of the conversation sounds like Vod-OgNasty to me, but has this mass deletion of posts ever happened before?

From the forum they seem to have a good idea about him, because not only they didn't ban him for plagiarism but they made him a merit source.

You could simply provide the evidence to your campaign manager, he'd understand and would count your posts by date of posts, not total count.
You're missing the point (no surprise there). This has nothing to do with campaign managers.

Yes, digaran gets paid for generally writing drivel that has little to do with the topic at hand.

Did you claim that you wrote this shitpost yourself?

I don't know if he claims or doesn't claim, what is clear to me is that he keeps writing shitposts, and getting paid for it.

On the subject of inclusions-exclusions, I wonder to what extent Ratimov has a number of stalwarts on his local board.

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October 26, 2023, 04:49:36 AM
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So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.
Eh, I just woke up and found my inbox had way more messages in it than usual, and a few of them were notifications that Ratimov (I assume; I didn't even look that closely) deleted a few of my posts.  Don't know what his motive is, but it doesn't affect me nor do I find it particularly disrespectful. 

Why would having one's posts deleted affect anyone other than wasting the time of the person who wrote them?  In any case, that's always the chance you take when you post in a self-moderated thread, right?

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October 26, 2023, 05:15:54 AM
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Of course it's correct. All thieves try to hide their traces, right? It would be stupid to steal and to not care about leaving traces leading to you. /s
Stole people words/content aka plagiarism is theft, but for me it's not something that lead to negative feedback. It's a matter between him and the moderator, not for us as a member.

I'm not going to say you're wrong to think thieves try to hide their traces, because you're correct in your side since you're the one who get involved with him.

Why would having one's posts deleted affect anyone other than wasting the time of the person who wrote them?  In any case, that's always the chance you take when you post in a self-moderated thread, right?
It's true, but I think people aren't expect that since he's a Legendary user, familiar with this forum, and has a good reputation, so it's almost impossible for him to troll the forum members.

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October 26, 2023, 08:03:49 AM
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The reason is the following: out of 3.5M users of the forum, I guess that 10.000 at most know about ninjastic.space
I think your estimate is way off. Most forum users have zero posts, BPIP shows only 51k active users in the past 3 months, and many of those are only bounty spammers or alt accounts.

Picture a crime scene, okay? There is blood everywhere, finger prints etc. And before Police comes to take the existing evidence the janitor comes with a water hose, sprays water everywhere and starts to wash the floor tiles, because who needs all that mess on the floor anyway?
From the Mod's perspective, I wouldn't hold it against them. Although I would have done this:
What do you think a moderator should do if he sees such garbage topics in the root of the section under his control?
Isn't that what bans are for? To stop people from posting garbage?
I don't have the authority to ban users.
But you have a Mod board, in which you could report him to Mods with banning power. It's more than just deleting his own posts, it's moving garbage into your board. And that's a clear violation of the forum rules:
1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

Yes, digaran gets paid for generally writing drivel that has little to do with the topic at hand.
Good point. He won't get paid for posting in my topic anymore:
I will delete insults from digaran. Even better, I'll delete all his posts here. He's on my ignore list for a reason.

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I see the deletion of topics and, accordingly, the posts of other users a little differently. It looks like hysteria. The fact that Ratimov has a very unrestrained character literally screams every time his ego is somehow affected. The actions are similar to those of an offended child who does not know how to take revenge on someone who has offended him very much, and at the same time, he never wants to hear or accept words of criticism. The man really wanted to be a leader. By any means, anyone familiar with psychology will be able to give the correct diagnosis. The actions are very disappointing as a man's behavior.

Yesterday, I also saw the renaming of self-moderated topics from Ratimov. It was surprising to see a bunch of topics with gobbledygook in the Russian section. It is in vain to blame the moderators, since they were putting things in order in their section after the riot of emotions of someone who does not know how to control himself. Should we find out what happens to this or that person when we see something like this?
Ultimately, to avoid destruction and repetition with self-moderated topics, it may be simple to cancel them.

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The reason is the following: out of 3.5M users of the forum, I guess that 10.000 at most know about ninjastic.space
I think your estimate is way off. Most forum users have zero posts, BPIP shows only 51k active users in the past 3 months, and many of those are only bounty spammers or alt accounts.

This should explain even better to SmartGold01 why Ratimov's zealous work, together with the friendly and helping mod, is so efficient in hiding his plagiarism.

What do you think a moderator should do if he sees such garbage topics in the root of the section under his control?
Isn't that what bans are for? To stop people from posting garbage?
I don't have the authority to ban users.
But you have a Mod board, in which you could report him to Mods with banning power. It's more than just deleting his own posts, it's moving garbage into your board. And that's a clear violation of the forum rules:
1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

LV, you are too harsh! Why are you now exposing even more the poor mod, which Ratimov turned into his personal garbage man?

Oh, wait! Look what I found:



Can it be? Ratimov is mod's no. 1 fan! Does it still look curious mod's attempt to help deleting plagiarism evidence?

I know I said that Ratimov built an army of minions but I bet that nobody expected to have mods too in his army.

Oh wait! There's more:



The appreciation is mutual! The mod also also chose Ratimov as his first destination of merits, sending him an amount more than double compared to his second most merited user.

Sacré bleu there's even more!!! Isn't Xal0lex the one which deleted a post from the topic Stake your Bitcoin address here for hiding his alt account, which he used for insulting forum users?



Ok, I have to say that whatever unpleasant opinion I had about Ratimov I was still way way too kind to him. I thought that after he got caught plagiarising he would surely have learned something, like maybe to include links. Well, he surely learned how to not get caught: (a) plagiarise images; (b) from behind paywalls. Considering that mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image, and/or not going out of their way to look behind paywalls - brilliant strategy

LMAO, forum's 4th most merited user plagiarizes constantly, for 5 years in a row, under various forms, and mods have no power to ban him.

I suggest to Ratimov that, after he becomes most merited user ever, to do same thing on other forums too and become there also most merited user / most recognized or whatever terminology would be used on other forums. Then post also some plagiarized thesis and take his Ph. D. as well. Why stick only to Internet forums? He could take any diploma in real life as well.



in Russia such words can cause death.

I am eagerly waiting for Ratimov to make some death threats as well. Only death threats are missing from his arsenal (which contains plagiarism, Trust abuses, merit abuses, leaving false tags, retaliatory tags, insulting, acting like a street thug, intellectual theft etc.).



Are you one of the DT supporter of Ratimov?

What did you expect?



Ratimov is not just his no. 1 fan, but he also made him Legendary almost made him Legendary. I already explained that, after Ratimov became a MS he built an army of minions, which always support / defend him.

Here they are!



Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic?

The con-job is this: he deletes posts until the topic becomes pure garbage, then he deletes also OP's content and moves the trash in his personal shithole, namely Russian board. And there, his personal garbageman helps him get rid of all plagiarism evidence.

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Last edit: October 26, 2023, 09:59:24 AM by LoyceV
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I checked: in those 58 topics, he earned 202 Merits.
Update: modlog now shows 78 deleted topics, in which Ratimov earned 369 Merits.

so efficient in hiding his plagiarism.
What good is an archive site if it doesn't highlight the deleted topics.... So I made this:
https://loyce.club/other/tmp/Ratimovs_deleted_topics.html
It gives direct links to my archived version of those 78 deleted topics. Unfortunately, I only have the unedited originals, with the original titles.

The above link properly shows the Russian text. In BBCode, it looks like this:
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Can it be? Ratimov is mod's no. 1 fan! Does it still look curious mod's attempt to help deleting plagiarism evidence?
It's quite normal for a Merit source to Merit someone when they use the same local board. I don't expect the posts to be bad, so it's not wrong.

I think the explanation is this: he understood that hiding evidence in Archival board is not enough
And now, thanks to deleting the topics, they're all highlighted here :D



@Timelord2067: your off-topic complaining about me isn't welcome here. Open your own topic and knock yourself out. Or just do your usual: use my Untrusted feedback page as your personal diary. You have only 2 feedbacks left to fill!

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He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

I think the explanation is this: he understood that hiding evidence in Archival board is not enough; he understood that chances to have his plagiarized shit-topics deleted are greater if he deletes their content and move them to an active board, compared with leaving them in Archival board, which has no dedicated mod. Then he chose Russian board, for the nepotism between he and the mod (explained above).

Prolly if he moved his shit in other boards he could get banned, so why take the risk since Xal0lex was there, eager to help and also with his hands tied when a ban comes in discussion?

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October 26, 2023, 10:52:16 AM
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I checked: in those 58 topics, he earned 202 Merits.
Update: modlog now shows 78 deleted topics, in which Ratimov earned 369 Merits.

Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).

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Last edit: October 26, 2023, 06:33:01 PM by GazetaBitcoin
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Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).

Yes, nobody should suspect any nepotism between Xal0lex and Ratimov, since he deleted "only" 30 topics out of 78 (almost 40%).



So things get better and better. Ratimov has 2 mods among his army of minions, not just 1.

Let's see how things are in this other case, where xandry deleted, probably, the remaining 60%.


Oh no! Ratimov is mod's second merit provider!


Aaaand Ratimov is most merited user by the mod!

So again, a mod very helping in deleting evidence of plagiarism, after he got bribed well with merits during time.

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October 26, 2023, 11:09:37 AM
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Are there any similar precedents in the forum? I didn't quite catch what happened with Lauda, and then some of the tone of the conversation sounds like Vod-OgNasty to me, but has this mass deletion of posts ever happened before?

Some users have deleted a bunch of their own posts. That's fair game I think, whatever the reason, e.g. privacy.

Some users have abused self-mod threads. There is one prolific troll (korner) who's been doing this for years with multiple accounts - creates a click-bait self-mod thread, waits for it to grow to a few pages, then selectively deletes other users' posts and edits his own posts to completely change the narrative. Obviously tons of scammers abuse this feature too.

I don't recall someone just deleting a bunch of self-mod threads completely. I don't know how valuable those threads were, I'm guessing not particularly, but if there was any value in them I'd say LoyceV or someone else could perhaps appeal to admins to have the threads reinstated and locked.

Why would mods just play along with Ratimov instead of banning him for creating this mess is kinda puzzling though.
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Why would mods just play along with Ratimov instead of banning him for creating this mess is kinda puzzling though.

From data shown on bpip is visible that both mods were showered in merits by him, in time, thus he enrolled them in his army of minions. Furthermore, in exchange, they did the same. If I were wolwoo I'd say "there is a strong gang here".

Now mods are just doing their job as his minions, helping him cover his plagiarism.

By the way: I reported that post you found, with plagiarized images. No surprise, it's unhandled.

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October 26, 2023, 12:28:09 PM
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By the way: I reported that post you found, with plagiarized images. No surprise, it's unhandled.

That's what I said:

mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image

There's a good reason for it, e.g. you don't want to start handing out bans for memes and twitter screenshots, and in many contexts it's quite obvious that the image serves as a quote and/or has a built-in reference via the URL. It's just that sleezeballs will abuse it, like they're abusing self-mod feature.
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Should we find out what happens to this or that person when we see something like this?
Ultimately, to avoid destruction and repetition with self-moderated topics, it may be simple to cancel them.
From the drama going on the only solution to stop this next time is to remove the self moderated options as I believe it would cause more harm than this, imagine in case like this a user starts deletion of his post in other to cover the simple truth and this really shows unrealistic. There is no way a black can be turned to white over night or a green turn to white knowing too well that there's no way such thing can likely happened over here since there are lots of tools to explore and find out our earlier mistake he shouldn't have gone this far to show that he is not competent enough.

I actually I never knew all this and he has helped me in one way or the other during my struggle time to climb to the next rank when I did applied on his thread, for that I sees him as someone who is always helping upcoming user to scale through the forum. The thing is we are human and filled with mistakes as I can say no one is perfect and sometimes we can be doing the wrong things and think we are making right decisions.

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From the drama going on the only solution to stop this next time is to remove the self moderated options as I believe it would cause more harm than this, imagine in case like this a user starts deletion of his post in other to cover the simple truth and this really shows unrealistic.
When there are few users misusing the forum feature, it's not mean the feature isn't good for other users who use it in correct way, @OP is one of example where self moderated is important. This drama isn't only about self moderated topic, it's also involve about deleting post too, because when you replied a deleted post, you post is high likely will be deleted.

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I actually I never knew all this and he has helped me in one way or the other during my struggle time to climb to the next rank when I did applied on his thread, for that I sees him as someone who is always helping upcoming user to scale through the forum. The thing is we are human and filled with mistakes as I can say no one is perfect and sometimes we can be doing the wrong things and think we are making right decisions.
Of course he has a good deeds to help users who lack of merit to rank up and it's also correct no one is perfect. But I'm not sure why he's being silent until now, I think he have to respond about this case whether he want to apologize or stand with his own opinions.

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October 26, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
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From the drama going on the only solution to stop this next time is to remove the self moderated options as I believe it would cause more harm than this, imagine in case like this a user starts deletion of his post in other to cover the simple truth and this really shows unrealistic.
When there are few users misusing the forum feature, it's not mean the feature isn't good for other users who use it in correct way, @OP is one of example where self moderated is important. This drama isn't only about self moderated topic, it's also involve about deleting post too, because when you replied a deleted post, you post is high likely will be deleted.

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I actually I never knew all this and he has helped me in one way or the other during my struggle time to climb to the next rank when I did applied on his thread, for that I sees him as someone who is always helping upcoming user to scale through the forum. The thing is we are human and filled with mistakes as I can say no one is perfect and sometimes we can be doing the wrong things and think we are making right decisions.
Of course he has a good deeds to help users who lack of merit to rank up and it's also correct no one is perfect. But I'm not sure why he's being silent until now, I think he have to respond about this case whether he want to apologize or stand with his own opinions.

He knows why he is not responding to what that has been going on here, sometimes it's very hard to face the crowd and answer series of questions maybe he is only waiting for the right to position his mindset to be able to accept all the hit, imagine someone like me who don't always have a thick skin to be able to withstand every needle that could pierced on my skin. But I know there will be a time he will come to reply to the general public on the reason for his simple action towards what has been leaking so far.
You are right about the feature but it was due to misuse of op, that was why I said if such feature are being disabled then such will never happen again.

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I noticed many of my old posts were being deleted. I didn't understand, good posts being deleted for no reason.

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Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.

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I noticed many of my old posts were being deleted. I didn't understand, good posts being deleted for no reason.

Now I understand...

Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.

Would have to beg to differ on this. Self-moderated topics, in the right hand and with correct purpose, can be very useful. LV's threads [with this very one as a nice example, just like Jawhead999 pointed out] are proof that moderated topics are necessary.

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Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).
For the record: I didn't blame you for deleting those shitposts Smiley

Yes, nobody should suspect any nepotism between Xal0lex and Ratimov, since he deleted "only" 30 topics oit of 78 (almost 40%).
If you think Mods do something wrong, that may be worth a topic in Meta.
I think you didn't see my edit:
It's quite normal for a Merit source to Merit someone when they use the same local board. I don't expect the posts to be bad, so it's not wrong.

mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image
There's a good reason for it, e.g. you don't want to start handing out bans for memes and twitter screenshots, and in many contexts it's quite obvious that the image serves as a quote and/or has a built-in reference via the URL.
This was confirmed by the author of the Unofficial forum rules:
Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator).
Quote from: icopress
33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?
Quote from: mprep
AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images.

Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist.
Self-moderated topics work very well against spam. See this topic: it has one very simple rule: post an image. More than 100 users broke that rule, just because the average user in Bitcoin Discussion only cares about his post count. Must-spam-to-earn-money! But not in my topic.

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Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.
I beg to disagree. Just because some misuse this feature (like in this case Ratimov), doesn't mean its not good/useful, especially here where there's large amount of shitposters. As a matter of fact, I would like to see it in some of the other forums that I am using.

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