Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[LoyceV]

Let's read some neutral feedback.

I've said it before: when I read such feedback, filled with name calling, I don't take it seriously. And it tells me a lot about the user who left that feedback.

If any of these were applied to your feedback page, I am sure you would not mind at all.

It's not pretty indeed.

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[suchmoon]

Lauda had a bunch of bad ratings as well, was extremely vindictive and used (his/her/their) power to basically bully people into submission... its almost like they got off on it. I haven't witnessed Ratimov do that but perhaps I just haven't been in those threads.

Certainly not the first time he's flying off the handle, and he's never ever wrong. Not quite the qualities I'd expect from a DT member.

Also keep in mind that even when caught plagiarising he thought the best excuse is not admitting that was he was doing was unethical, but that Google Translate made him do it. IMO on the scale of trustworthiness that's right up there with another plagiarist who got off by claiming they bought the plagiarist account.

because of the spineless nature of DT1 there is basically no recourse.

Suggestion: ask theymos to undo your own DT1-exclusion and make your Trust list mean something for voting again

But then I won't be able to bitch about spineless DT1...

[examplens]

Let's read some neutral feedback.

I've said it before: when I read such feedback, filled with name calling, I don't take it seriously. And it tells me a lot about the user who left that feedback.

The same feedback left by different users can have a completely different weight, regardless of the personal trust list. One of the reasons why more experienced forum members do not participate in large numbers in such discussions is whether someone should be a DT member or not.
Perhaps this makes it difficult for newcomers to understand the entire DT system.

[dkbit98]

DT drama theater came back in town again or what?
I am not supporting Ratimov in any way but throwing him out won't fix anything, and it won't make currently  broke DT system any better.
From the top of my mind I can think of few other members who deserve to be expelled from DT1 for abuse of trust system, but they are still there.

I am really glad I left DT1 on my own, and it will stay like that until I see some real changes, not just cosmetic trim.

[digaran]

Have you noticed every single DT and non-DT always complains about trust system, ironically even those who'd abuse others say the same thing, like when you talk with poor and rich, they both complain about inflation, and whine like little kids, it makes you wonder, who is happy here if everyone is complaining? Lol I love this community, it's the weirdest of them all.🤥
I mean, go ask theymos to see what is his opinion, if he didn't complain about it, I will change my name, it makes you wonder once again, who is behind this trust system if even the one who designed it is not happy about it?🤣

[Learn Bitcoin]

Okay, I had no intention of returning to this thread, but it seems Moderators are also maintaining double standards. Last night, I was emailed that my three posts were removed from this thread. Here is the archive link of those posts;

https://ninjastic.space/post/63040347

https://ninjastic.space/post/63040507

https://ninjastic.space/post/63040536

All of those posts were On Topic and constructive. I did not use any foul language like others did even though I know using these words is allowed. So, why those posts were removed? Because some so-called heavy-weight reputed member reported them?

[nutildah]

Also keep in mind that even when caught plagiarising he thought the best excuse is not admitting that was he was doing was unethical, but that Google Translate made him do it.

Somewhat coincidentally, I recall that Lauda was also busted on a plagiarism issue (from years back, like 2015 or 2016) and it caused a minor stir when there was no moderation action taken against them.

Have you noticed every single DT and non-DT always complains about trust system

I don't complain about it. I think it works fairly well, so long as we keep each other in check.

All of those posts were On Topic and constructive. I did not use any foul language like others did even though I know using these words is allowed. So, why those posts were removed? Because some so-called heavy-weight reputed member reported them?

Because Ratimov deleted his posts and thus your posts were rendered off-topic.


Edit: the posts in question weren't deleted, just merged

[Poker Player]

All of those posts were On Topic and constructive. I did not use any foul language like others did even though I know using these words is allowed. So, why those posts were removed? Because some so-called heavy-weight reputed member reported them?

Because Ratimov deleted his posts and thus your posts were rendered off-topic.

I think the most likely thing here is that after deleting his posts, Ratimov reported Learn Bitcoin's posts no? Or is it that the moderators are following the thread and deleting posts like that on their own initiative? Ok, so I've seen the explanation on another thread.


Also, it's not so clear to me that they are off-topic simply because he deleted them. If someone accidentally exposes a piece of evidence that reveals they have broken the rules and upon realizing it immediately deletes the post, referring to the deleted post is off-topic? Of course it isn't. And I'm not saying this is the case but it's an example that it shouldn't automatically be considered off-topic to refer to a post that someone has deleted.

[LoyceV]

I've said it before: when I read such feedback, filled with name calling, I don't take it seriously. And it tells me a lot about the user who left that feedback.

The same feedback left by different users can have a completely different weight, regardless of the personal trust list.

Good point. If one person calls someone an idiot, I assume it's just name calling. But if many people call someone an idiot, he may just be an idiot

From the top of my mind I can think of few other members who deserve to be expelled from DT1 for abuse of trust system, but they are still there.

I am really glad I left DT1 on my own, and it will stay like that until I see some real changes, not just cosmetic trim.

DT1 is a voting system. If good people leave, only the bad people are left. So leaving the system makes it worse.

Because Ratimov deleted his posts

I noticed this:

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What's up with that?

[Helena Yu]

What's up with that?

He deleted his own topic, my assumption is he want to get rid from users who say he's a plagiarist or he use google translate to write that? not really sure, but something like that. Since there's nothing wrong for someone to delete their post, so it's what it's.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Also, it's not so clear to me that they are off-topic simply because he deleted them. If someone accidentally exposes a piece of evidence that reveals they have broken the rules and upon realizing it immediately deletes the post, referring to the deleted post is off-topic? Of course it isn't. And I'm not saying this is the case but it's an example that it shouldn't automatically be considered off-topic to refer to a post that someone has deleted.

At first, I did not notice that before moderators deleted those three posts, they edited my first post and merged all four into one. All I saw is I got three PMs and three emails that my posts were deleted from this thread, which is why I was kinda confused about the forum rules. Under which rules did those posts become off-topic or violate any other forum rules?

But since those posts were merged before they deleted the original ones, I know the reason why they merged. All those posts were replies to Ratimov. Once Ratimov deleted all his posts, my posts became all in a row. According to the forum rules, I cannot write multiple posts in a row.

The argument could be I did not post them in a row. But it becomes all in a row because someone decided to delete their post. I do not control others. I never know if they will delete all their posts or not.

Imagine you were writing to me in a thread back and forth, and I deleted all my posts, and now all your posts are in a row. LOL. That's how I can manipulate the system.

[dkbit98]

DT1 is a voting system. If good people leave, only the bad people are left. So leaving the system makes it worse.

If system is bad it doesn't really matter how many people in the system are ''good'' or ''bad''.
I wouldn't participate in any voting or elections if I know that results won't significantly change anything.
First improve DT system, than ask people to join or leave.

[LoyceV]

If system is bad it doesn't really matter how many people in the system are ''good'' or ''bad''.

This comes to mind: “Democ­ra­cy is the worst form of gov­ern­ment, except for all the oth­ers.”.

First improve DT system, than ask people to join or leave.

I've seen several suggestions, and my favourite is still to require more than one DT1-vote to reach DT2, but I doubt there's a perfect solution.

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I wouldn't participate in any voting or elections if I know that results won't significantly change anything.
First improve DT system, than ask people to join or leave.

LoyceV is right, what you claim is completely contradictory. If we're talking about improving the forum, it's completely wrong to say, do something, and if I think it's good, I'll be a part of it. If all those who have the capacity to improve something are excluded, who can be expected to do it?

[nutildah]

I wouldn't participate in any voting or elections if I know that results won't significantly change anything.

This is the crux of all politics... getting people to believe that their vote matters. Somewhat ironically, the fewer people that vote, the more their vote matters.

First improve DT system, than ask people to join or leave.

I'm curious as to how you would change it. I think its set up reasonably well, but perhaps what's more important is its a vast improvement over the old system.

I've seen several suggestions, and my favourite is still to require more than one DT1-vote to reach DT2, but I doubt there's a perfect solution.

I like that.. maybe 2 or 3. Would make trust padding more difficult to achieve. According to your lists in Meta, there's well over 600 DT1 + DT2 members in any given month. Perhaps that's too many.

[dkbit98]

I've seen several suggestions, and my favourite is still to require more than one DT1-vote to reach DT2, but I doubt there's a perfect solution.

Any change is better than what we have right now, but I don't see any real initiative for a change.

LoyceV is right, what you claim is completely contradictory. If we're talking about improving the forum, it's completely wrong to say, do something, and if I think it's good, I'll be a part of it. If all those who have the capacity to improve something are excluded, who can be expected to do it?

My opinion is not important, but if we do a vote I bet most of the members (including DT) would say that DT system is currently broken, but hey if you like it like it is now, enjoy.
Can it be improved? - Yes.

I'm curious as to how you would change it. I think its set up reasonably well, but perhaps what's more important is its a vast improvement over the old system.

Reducing number of DT2 members is first thing that came to my mind, but someone give me a good proposal and I will support it.

This is the crux of all politics... getting people to believe that their vote matters. Somewhat ironically, the fewer people that vote, the more their vote matters.

I learned that voting is not really that important, it's more important who counts the votes, and I think one well known communist said something like that.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

He deleted his own topic, my assumption is he want to get rid from users who say he's a plagiarist or he use google translate to write that? not really sure, but something like that.

This is common practice of Ratimov. He always tries to bury any evidence incriminating him. He deleted all the posts from the topic where he was hunting airfinex, after airfinex exposed his plagiarism; he deleted all his posts from AOBT thread where he was insulting all translators for incompetence and me, in particular, swearing about my family; he deleted also all his posts from this topic, where he was derailing the thread, hoping to distract users' attention from OP's content; he usually deletes also all his negative feedbacks which are baseless and contain only insults, after DT eyes are on him and so on. And, probably, he deleted dozens of other posts which contained evidence incriminating his Trust abuses or his plagiarism, in his futile attempts to cover his misery.

I already explained all these here.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

So the fact that Ratimov was not banned for plagiarism does not mean he did not plagiarize. He did plagiarize and this brought him tons of merits until he was caught (about 3000 merits or so). And with 3000 merits you build a solid image about yourself inside the forum.

To be honest, I haven’t read such a large wall of text in a long time and I think that the essence could have been presented more briefly.

I think everyone who is responding on this topic should read the main thread first before writing anything else. My mistake was, I too was like you and ignored the wall of text but last night I was on my phone and had the time to read the whole topic. It took me a full half an hour but I am glad that my time was not wasted.

Later on he returned, offering me a deal: to delete the feedback I left him and he will delete the feedbacks he left me. Meaning his usual behavior.

The same deal was offered to me and unfortunately there were some other uses too who were supporting it. I now realize those some other users who supported it and me were not aware that it was just a tactic. We simply thought it was a way to deescalate the situation. Ratimov was successful in his evil spell.

You have done a great job @GazetaBitcoin, I am sorry all those days I was ignoring it. Sometimes you feel alone and then you give up. I was having such time.

Ratimov should not be in entire DT. ~Ratimov has done.

My original feedback for him is going back again.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I think everyone who is responding on this topic should read the main thread first before writing anything else. My mistake was, I too was like you and ignored the wall of text but last night I was on my phone and had the time to read the whole topic. It took me a full half an hour but I am glad that my time was not wasted.

Thank you, BitcoinGirl.Club! I had confidence when I wrote this long topic that, once users will read everything they will all see the undeniable proof that (1) Ratimov is a plagiarist which fooled the entire forum for years, to merits him for stealing others' work (intellectual theft); (2) Ratimov is a Trust abuser, threatening anyone confronting him with negative tags, containing only insults, with no ref links, which he later deletes when DT eyes are on him; (3) Ratimov deletes all the evidence exposing him for being a plagiarist and Trust abuser (the tactic here being to move threads to Archival, deleting his own posts then begging mods to delete his topics incriminating him).

Later on he returned, offering me a deal: to delete the feedback I left him and he will delete the feedbacks he left me. Meaning his usual behavior.

The same deal was offered to me and unfortunately there were some other uses too who were supporting it. I now realize those some other users who supported it and me were not aware that it was just a tactic. We simply thought it was a way to deescalate the situation. Ratimov was successful in his evil spell.

It's true. And I already highlighted this in OP:

So for that feedback  Ratimov left him another retaliatory feedback, accusing BitcoinGirl.Club of being a trust abuser, writing false feedbacks, a two faced person with double standards and, aaaaand (the best part comes here!) a plagiarist! LOL! So as you see, once more, he accuses the one stating something about him for the same thing. The same ridiculous way of trying to distract the attention from him towards the one he is talking to, as I explained above. And, of course, presenting no evidence. [...]

Eventually, BitcoinGirl.Club deleted his feedback then Ratimov also deleted the feedback he left to BitcoinGirl.Club so once again he got away, without more evidence incriminating him of Trust abuse.

You have done a great job @GazetaBitcoin, I am sorry all those days I was ignoring it. Sometimes you feel alone and then you give up. I was having such time.

I thank you! I hope that your post will be incentive for others as well, to read all OP's material.
P.S.: you should also take a look at my list of questions to which Ratimov will never answer.

Ratimov should not be in entire DT. ~Ratimov has done.

My original feedback for him is going back again.

Great decision! And also thumbs up for adding him to your distrust list!


Further evidence: Ratimov also deleted one of the threads where he used his infamous introduction "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]"

The above link is a quote from a post made by nullius, which quoted a post made by Ratimov where he used that expression. Now Ratimov's post is moved to Russian board and the topic is empty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5296174.msg55742220#msg55742220


Even further evidence for the methods used by the rat for covering his plagiarism: Ratimov is deleting self-moderated topics. He now goes onto my Ignore list..

Great job, LoyceV!




I also thank to Foxpup for involving in this and I encourage all other users to do the same.

[Foxpup]

I also thank to Foxpup for involving in this and I encourage all other users to do the same.

I didn't actually want to be involved in this, but it's been a while since I've been unnecessarily involved in one of these Default Trust dramas and this one looks like it has good potential.