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October 27, 2023, 11:05:14 AM
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Recently, the vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and the business partner of Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, made some controversial remarks about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency at Zoom's Zoomtopia 2023 conference. He called Bitcoin "the stupidest investment I ever saw", and said that most crypto investments will go to zero. He also said that despises Bitcoin's growth and that he would never buy or invest it.

In this thread, I will argue that Munger is wrong about Bitcoin and that it is actually the smartest investment choice one can make.

 First of all, it is decentralized and scarce. Starting from its scarcity, the fact that Bitcoin's supply is fixed is more than enough reason to understand that its value is way higher than fiat currency. It can preserve its purchasing power and protect its hodlers from inflation and currency devaluation, literally the number 1 thing against paper money.
   
Then its decentralization, which makes it possible for it to run on a network of computers around the world that verify transactions and secure the system. Absolutely no one controls or owns Bitcoin, not even its creator Satoshi Nakamoto, i.e., it can't even be controlled by the governments or private corporations.

Secondly, Bitcoin is inclusive and global. It can be accessed by anyone on the internet with a connection and a device, regardless of their location, geographical area, identity, or status. It also empowers people to have more control over their money and their future. It allows them to save, spend, receive, send, and donate money across borders without intermediaries or fees. It also allows them to participate in a global community of people who share a common vision of freedom, sovereignty, and innovation.

Thirdly, Bitcoin is innovative and adaptable. Now, the third important reason why Bitcoin is the smartest investment ever is that it is innovative and adaptable. It is not just a digital currency, but a programmable platform that allows various applications and use cases. For example, Bitcoin can also enable decentralized finance (DeFi), which is a system of peer-to-peer lending, trading, borrowing, and investing without arbitrators.

Bitcoin is also adaptable and resilient, as it can evolve and improve over time through consensus and innovation. For example, Bitcoin recently underwent a major advancement called Taproot, which improved its scalability, functionality, and privacy.

In conclusion, Bitcoin is a decentralized, scarce, innovative, adaptable, inclusive, and global. It is a superior form of money and a store of value. I can't even begin to emphasize how much of a revolution it is in the world. I hope this thread, has enlightened you and destroyed whatever doubt some of you, especially the newbies have about Bitcoin. Sure, it has its disadvantages, but what good thing doesn't? So, let's be like Satoshi Nakamoto and not like Charlie Munger.

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October 27, 2023, 11:43:43 AM
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It’s our choice if we believe to those kind of people. I mean its helpful that we learn different persperctives regarding Bitcoin but it comes from closed minded people who refused to believe on what BTC can offer, we are not obliged to listen to them.
Absolutely, let's break it down in a more casual way!
Bitcoin is open to everyone and no  VIP passes are needed. You, me, anyone with internet can join the Bitcoin party. No banks, no paperwork, just you and your digital wallet. Thats maybe why they call it “stupid” It has risk yes, but everything has.

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October 27, 2023, 12:05:31 PM
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Doesn't really matter what random people are saying about Bitcoin. Couple of years ago, such negative statements used hurt the market but not anymore. We are immune from negative publicity from random economic gurus.

But Bitcoin is not really the smartest investment to be honest. Yes, if you do not pay taxes, that is fine. But whoever pays taxes and wants to stand with the law, Bitcoin is not that lucrative as it was earlier, due to heavy taxes in many countries.

Bitcoin can beat every other asset in pre-tax return but not for post-tax return.

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October 27, 2023, 12:06:33 PM
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Munger is a walking corpse, it does not matter what people like him & Buffett think about bitcoin. They ere old school, legacy finance guys. What they’ve done their whole life has worked well for them. They will not embrace new tech before they die, which won’t be long. Bitcoin also takes a slice of the pie too so they will never actively support it. But yes of course bitcoin is a great investment, you don’t need them to tell you that.

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October 27, 2023, 01:12:28 PM
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Actually, those influencers seem to like to exaggerate their views, even though it makes no sense for the long term crypto market. Yes, maybe the short term volatility is so strong that there is no functioning financial market. But the story here is that they (previous generations) could only invest in things that were available at that time, but they were core to the economic industry, and it was not possible for them to succeed and become billionaires, meaning they are always right. People who don't understand bitcoin or have never even traded with it like to attack it, and there are also a bunch of conspiracies about whether they really don't hold bitcoins.









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October 27, 2023, 01:48:29 PM
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Whenever I see the names of Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett you'd like to argue with what they've said to prove that they're wrong. There's no need to prolong that, there's no need to argue with what they've said about Bitcoin because it's not just worth it and they'll never hear us out.
They are closed-minded and if ever they change their course and belief about Bitcoin, I won't be surprise if that happens because going with the bandwagon from these known names are normal.

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October 27, 2023, 01:53:01 PM
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I don't pay attention to people like Charlie Munger because they overlook the fact that cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin represent a new form of financial freedom. Many people, including myself, can vouch for this. Before I learned about Bitcoin, I viewed it as a risky investment where I might lose money. But as I learned more and saw what Bitcoin could achieve, my perspective changed. Bitcoin has exceeded my expectations. So, it's best to ignore statements like these on social media from such individuals. Who knows, they might have invested in Bitcoin secretly due to its decentralized nature. And speak I'll of it on the net to gather fans or sort.


Just like other thoughts regarding on this situation maybe they just don't really know the real case about bitcoin and some misinterpret it as tool for scamming that's why other think about that its so risky to invest on Bitcoin because they might lose their money for unwanted scamming events. To many cases like that and maybe this is what came up to the mind of people who accidentally see the word bitcoin for the first time. Same as you I feel that before but when the time I use and explore bitcoin and crypto I really find it life changing and have different approach regarding to other investments. Yeah its risky but there are ways to minimize the risk and this should be learn by other so that they can see the real purpose and how useful it is if they adopt and use crypto on their everyday life.

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October 27, 2023, 02:20:06 PM
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We all know that good things in something, even bringing advanced and perfect changes, will not be able to lead everyone to like it or use it. There will definitely be those who laugh at it, belittle it or even deny it. In my opinion, this is a natural law and cannot be forced. Someone like Charlie Munger is one of them. Yes, it's his human right not to touch Bitcoin and say blah blah blah.

Investment is about confidence and knowledge, and I consider that those who enter Bitcoin are people who are confident and knowledgeable.

"We can't force someone's will to like the things we like, so let it be and enjoy it with people who agree with you, namely your community and beliefs."

Bitcoin will continue to grow with things like this, belittled, cursed and denigrated by the elite.

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October 27, 2023, 02:34:17 PM
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Munger is a walking corpse, it does not matter what people like him & Buffett think about bitcoin. They ere old school, legacy finance guys. What they’ve done their whole life has worked well for them. They will not embrace new tech before they die, which won’t be long. Bitcoin also takes a slice of the pie too so they will never actively support it. But yes of course bitcoin is a great investment, you don’t need them to tell you that.
As much as loved your apt description about Munger, experience should still be a thing that we should consider when hearing them, you might say that you don't need to hear them but the point is to put what they're saying in consideration and still think for yourself. It's hubris like that the new generation is going to replace the old will be the new generation's downfall. As much as we want to hate on them for being against bitcoin, I still think that these authorities when it comes to investment should still be worth listening to.



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Recently, the vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and the business partner of Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, made some controversial remarks about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency at Zoom's Zoomtopia 2023 conference. He called Bitcoin "the stupidest investment I ever saw", and said that most crypto investments will go to zero. He also said that despises Bitcoin's growth and that he would never buy or invest it.
No matter what you say about bitcoin, some people will continue to remain bitcoin critics. They do not want to accept the fact that bitcoin is an asset because it is not seen physically. They have forgotten that love, happiness and the likes are not also seen but real. Bitcoin is a coin, but digital and not seen but it is real, having a limited supply that will make it scarce. People are buying it, its adoption continues and its marketcap and price continue to increase than decrease.

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Without a doubt, it goes without saying that Bitcoin is the best choice for investment. Most investors understand Bitcoin when investing in crypto platforms. I am not saying that an investor invests only in Bitcoin but I mean that an investor invests 80 to 90% of the money they invest in Bitcoin and the remaining 10 to 20% they invest in other coins. Investing in bitcoins is safe and there is a chance to earn profit for a while but when investing in any other coin other than bitcoins the risk of money is high and there is considerable doubt about whether the money invested will be returned. You said investing in Bitcoin is a smart choice, I think all investors will agree with your comment.

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Charlie munger is 99 years old, and his date of birth is written as 1st of January, which indicates because of the times he lived in, he was probably born a bit before that, so we can easily say that he is 100 years old. You do not really expect a 100 year old person to really understand about bitcoin do you? I mean he doesn't have to, we do not need to get confirmation from everyone. Let some people dislike bitcoin however they want, that's understandable and that's not a wrong thing. You can't have every single person o the world like bitcoin, some of them like Charlie would end up being a little against it and that's not unusual. When phones first started or cars first started, I am sure there were people who were against them too.

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Recently, the vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and the business partner of Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, made some controversial remarks about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency at Zoom's Zoomtopia 2023 conference. He called Bitcoin "the stupidest investment I ever saw", and said that most crypto investments will go to zero. He also said that despises Bitcoin's growth and that he would never buy or invest it.
No matter what you say about bitcoin, some people will continue to remain bitcoin critics. They do not want to accept the fact that bitcoin is an asset because it is not seen physically. They have forgotten that love, happiness and the likes are not also seen but real. Bitcoin is a coin, but digital and not seen but it is real, having a limited supply that will make it scarce. People are buying it, its adoption continues and its marketcap and price continue to increase than decrease.
This is not something new, they think of themselves as the smartest investors and the ones having huge investments, they gave $40 million dollars to museums as a gift, and we all know that smart investors don't gift huge money just to some museum as gifts  Wink well, they even called BTC a "probably rat poison squared" and "almost certainly" come to a "bad ending." and "You can't value bitcoin because it's not a value-producing asset." They think of trading as "just dementia".
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If they really think that trading is some kind of dementia and BTC or cryptocurrency cannot produce them or anyone, any profits, and saying, it is useless. I think they are just regretting that they did not invest in it.

I mean, they call themselves, smart, did not invest in BTC, calling it dementia, it means, they remain in the world of culture, and reality, they don't like the world of digitalization and computers. They don't trust programs or coding, but they trust paintings (that they invested gifted $40 million)

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Don't you all get it? He is trying to potray his company stock is great and charming, by calling it's competitor "the stupidest investment I ever saw". Stock is high value asset, not trying to sell debt!

Self hating nerd that want to escape from reality into the cyberpunk.
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Recently, the vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and the business partner of Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, made some controversial remarks about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency at Zoom's Zoomtopia 2023 conference. He called Bitcoin "the stupidest investment I ever saw", and said that most crypto investments will go to zero. He also said that despises Bitcoin's growth and that he would never buy or invest it.


People like this I don't have the luxury of listening to as a result of them not going same pathway with me they are just there to drain energy and because they ain't doing it they also want other people not to do it forgetting that it's not in their place to decide.

Charlie Munger has made his own decisions years ago which turned him to become a vice chairman of  Berkshire Hathaway, am sure in his start of investment there were people that talk him down from going ahead that it would run to zero eventually but today he's a successful business in his area of choice of investment.

In same vein he should allow some of us that have chosen the bitcoin path of investment to take our own risk in life whether bitcoin goes zero (which obvious it won't) or not life is all about risk taking, and bitcoin has proven over time that it's worth risking. Many of these Rick folks are just afraid that there would be more increase rich young folks at the top of the pyramid with their investment in the leading cryptocurrency bitcoin reaching it's market cap eventually and they keep precipitating propagandas to quell the adoption fire.
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In conclusion, Bitcoin is a decentralized, scarce, innovative, adaptable, inclusive, and global. It is a superior form of money and a store of value. I can't even begin to emphasize how much of a revolution it is in the world. I hope this thread, has enlightened you and destroyed whatever doubt some of you, especially the newbies have about Bitcoin. Sure, it has its disadvantages, but what good thing doesn't? So, let's be like Satoshi Nakamoto and not like Charlie Munger.

Own a Bitcoin today, and start from somewhere no matter how small.
Charlie Munger is a close friend of Warren Buffet, she will always follow whatever is thought by Warren Buffet, well Warren Buffet has said his hates against Bitcoin, i still remember how Warren Buffet stabbed Bitcoin almost the same as Tulip Bubble but until now it was not proven at all, instead from day to day we increasingly see new investors began to glance at Bitcoin and make Bitcoin as one of the protectors of their asset values.  Bitcoin will always have an enemy because Bitcoin has messed up several large businesses and make drastic changes in the world's financial system.

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October 27, 2023, 05:46:16 PM
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I don't pay attention to such people because they are promoters of FUD. Most of these people know nothing about Bitcoin so there is no need to listen to them. Some of them will promote their own business and talk down on other businesses. Many business people like Charlie Munger and others will soon realize that their doomsday prophesies are nothing but fake prophesies. It was known recently that Warren Buffett invested in cryptocurrency through Nubank after years of criticisms and attacks. Corporate hypocrites.

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October 27, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
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Doesn't really matter what random people are saying about Bitcoin. Couple of years ago, such negative statements used hurt the market but not anymore. We are immune from negative publicity from random economic gurus.
I can still remember famous personalities going against bitcoin because of its high volatility, some called it a bubble that will burst out when the scheme is done, some called it trash, some called it useless and can't fight with the fiat, but look what happened, they all ate their words with the price of bitcoin and the entirety of the crypto market. just look how we position the market after all those years of bashing.

But Bitcoin is not really the smartest investment to be honest. Yes, if you do not pay taxes, that is fine. But whoever pays taxes and wants to stand with the law, Bitcoin is not that lucrative as it was earlier, due to heavy taxes in many countries.
Technically it is not. I agree, because bitcoin is volatile, simply as it. But we can consider bitcoin a wise investment, why? because at one point we know for sure that bull market will come and the price of bitcoin will skyrocket.

Bitcoin can beat every other asset in pre-tax return but not for post-tax return.
Why are we talking about tax on bitcoin  Huh
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October 27, 2023, 07:25:33 PM
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Don't you all get it? He is trying to potray his company stock is great and charming, by calling it's competitor "the stupidest investment I ever saw". Stock is high value asset, not trying to sell debt!
You have a point and it is so reality base, BTC and other types of digital tokens are giving hard competition to their own companies and they are losing customers due to BTC, that's why they are talking bad about BTC. Because they have to, otherwise all of their customers will move to the BTC. Or at least a few will move onto the BTC and other tokens.

We should not think highly of such entities, who only think about themselves, because they don't care about decentralization, freedom of finance, speech, etc. All they want is money and they are making less in their business due to Bitcoin so they are talking rubbish about it.

We have to do our own research and make our investments, I am sure that cryptocurrencies have reduced the volume of stocks and forex a lot.

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