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October 30, 2023, 07:05:20 PM
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like we value equities using equations and ratios, what are the factors on basis of which one can do valuation of bitcoins and the other cryptocurrencies for that matter.
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October 30, 2023, 07:23:44 PM
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Market Cap = Current Price x Circulating Supply

Price = Marketcap divided by Circulating supply.

If people buy more bitcoin, the market will increase, which is proportional to the price. Which means as people buy more bitcoin than selling it, the price will increase.

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October 30, 2023, 07:29:49 PM
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Value is best on demand and supply. If people want something they will pay for it. And the person who has it can offer a price. That's how value is created. If the demand is high and the supply is low, the value will increase. And if the supply is high and the demand is low, then the value will decrease.

You can apply the same thing with Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency. There are other things like potential. If one can predict what the future is going to be then they will demand more. And based on supply the value will be created. It's a very simple thing. Bitcoin has created a reputation so I can't give good example with it. For that reason I am choosing alt coins. For example, if there is a new coin and people see that it has potential to grow by its use case and people behind it, then people will buy it. Thus creating a demand. Based on that those who created the coin could make an offer. And if the both parties are on the same page then they will make an exchange. And a value will be created. That's how it works.
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October 30, 2023, 07:45:27 PM
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Market Cap = Current Price x Circulating Supply

Price = Marketcap divided by Circulating supply.

If people buy more bitcoin, the market will increase, which is proportional to the price. Which means as people buy more bitcoin than selling it, the price will increase.

NO!

value is not market price

the best method is to look at the most cost efficient method of acquiring an asset.

for instance if it costs a gold miner $900 to mine. and thats the cheapest on planet, that is the value point
for instance if it costs a btc miner $24k to mine. and thats the cheapest on planet, that is the value point

value is not price..

think of value as the whole sale cost and the market as the retail price.
value is a different number to the market

bitcoin price(34k) sits nearish to good value(23k) compared to the ATH premium(70k)(2021 high)
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gold price(2k) sits no where near value(900) compared to the ATH premium(2.2k)
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use the cryptos most efficient and least efficient mining cot on the planet to work out value vs premium.. then see where the price sits
to see if if the price is in value or premium zone

2023 adjusted view of bitcoin shows there is potential premium window limit of $140k instead of 2021's $70k which puts bitcoin more into the greenzone. however we have not tested the upper limits. so playing it safe bitcoin has potential to reach 70k again meaning a 2x upside atleast.
where as gold is near its all time peak meaning not much upside

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October 30, 2023, 07:56:20 PM
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the best method is to look at the most cost efficient method of acquiring an asset.
This has to be combined with utility that the product has. There cannot be a linear relationship between the value of a product and the cost to acquire the product. Gold is difficult to mine and has real world value, both factors has to be present. A product can have real world value but can be easily acquired anywhere in the world with no effort, and it can have no utility, but be very rare; in both situations the value of the product will be low.

Bitcoin has utility which creates the demand, it also has a limited supply which means the demand is constantly growing against it.

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October 30, 2023, 08:23:14 PM
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The value of a coin or token is also dependent on the usability of the coin. For example, Bitcoin is a universal coin that a lot of institutions have adopted; many companies, some schools, and a lot of individuals worldwide are using Bitcoin. The high usability of Bitcoin and its limited supply are what give the coin great value. Normally, if there is a surplus supply and low demand, the value of such items will not really be of good value. For example, there are hundreds of alt coins that are not so valued, and the price of those coins is very low from year to year. The reason why this is so is because there is not much use for those coins, and they also have a huge supply compared to what they're used for.

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October 30, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
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like we value equities using equations and ratios, what are the factors on basis of which one can do valuation of bitcoins and the other cryptocurrencies for that matter.

Bitcoin is not like any other type of asset, so everyone evaluates it purely individually. However, one great way to evaluate it is to see how popular it is with people when times get tough. And I noticed that often people prefer to reduce the share of Bitcoin in their portfolio if everything is bad. But on the contrary, they buy more gold. The conclusion from this is that people do not trust Bitcoin as a safe haven currency.

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October 30, 2023, 09:31:34 PM
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I think giving value to crypto or bitcoin is through supply and demand. Of course, when more and more people develop an interest in Bitcoin to have it, the demand increases, and that is good news for us because the price value of Bitcoin will gradually increase in the market.

And what is also important here is that we will also look at its utility, which will be its usage, like in Bitcoin, where it can be used as a payment for a business that also recognizes Bitcoin, and in addition, it can also be used to send money to different parts of the world as well as other cryptocurrencies, if not all.

That's why we should know how to value Bitcoin when we do it in the era we live in today.

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October 30, 2023, 09:33:14 PM
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Market Cap = Current Price x Circulating Supply

Price = Marketcap divided by Circulating supply.

If people buy more bitcoin, the market will increase, which is proportional to the price. Which means as people buy more bitcoin than selling it, the price will increase.

There's also mining difficulty, total hash power and indicators used to determine what the average price of newly mined bitcoin is. The price of coins mined at different points in time create something that we could call price floor at that time. It's a similar indicator trader use to know how many holders are at a loss. The more people at profit the more above the average transactional price bitcoin is, which allows us to estimate its value.

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October 30, 2023, 09:34:58 PM
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I think the value of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is how much the person is willing to pay for it.  It is somehow subjective but in general, it depends on supply and demand and its fundamentals.  I do not think the value is dependent only on how one acquires the cryptocurrency through mining but rather it evolves around the supply and demand plus the fundamentals like the adoption, usability, or real-life case, cost of acquisition, and the long-term market of the said asset.

In addition Investopedia made a list of how to calculate Bitcoin's fair value.  It is stated in this article: Do Bitcoins Have Intrinsic Value?

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October 30, 2023, 10:09:26 PM
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Actually, I am of the view and opinion that a token or coin utility also contributes to the value and existence of the coin. When a coin or token is of good use in the market, the demand is always on the high side which causes an increase in the price value of that coin in the market thereby pushing up the use value of that coin. Value too has to do with acceptability. When  a crypto is acceptable in the market it means that there is every possibility that the crypto  would be in much demand in the market and that causes a sudden rise in price of that coin which shows the value of that coin.  For instance, Bitcoin is seen as a store of value so therefore people use it to measure their asset worth and in that case they store their wealth and asset in bitcoin which is quantifiable and  shows the asset equivalent in the number of bitcoin they have.

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marketcap is off by lengths.
Networkactivity should be the decisive factor.

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October 30, 2023, 10:36:15 PM
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Market Cap = Current Price x Circulating Supply

Price = Marketcap divided by Circulating supply.

If people buy more bitcoin, the market will increase, which is proportional to the price. Which means as people buy more bitcoin than selling it, the price will increase.

There's also mining difficulty, total hash power and indicators used to determine what the average price of newly mined bitcoin is. The price of coins mined at different points in time create something that we could call price floor at that time. It's a similar indicator trader use to know how many holders are at a loss. The more people at profit the more above the average transactional price bitcoin is, which allows us to estimate its value.

As a guy that mines  I can tell you creating a coin is around 17-24k assuming just the power cost.

pretend you have a  s19xp it  pulls  80kwatts a day x 3 cents = $2.40 and mines 140 x 0.00000199 btc = 0.0002786 btc a day

lets round this to

$2.50 in power makes  0.000280 btc
$25.00 in power makes 0.00280 btc
$250.00 in power makes 0.0280 btc
$2500.00 in power makes 0.280 btc
$8928. in 3 cent power to make 1 btc.

but you need to add costs of labor.
the building housing the gear
and the gear.

My gear cost is paid for
my housing cost is paid for
my labor is my own.  If coins were to stay at 34000 after the ½ inning I would likely quit mining.

even with my cheap power deal.


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October 30, 2023, 10:49:59 PM
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The price of Bitcoin is likely influenced by the fundamental principles of supply and demand. While its fixed supply contributes to limited availability, when there's a surge in demand and people are holding onto their Bitcoin (often referred to as 'HODLing'), it can result in significant price volatility. These two factors, supply and demand, play a crucial role in determining Bitcoin's value.

I hope I was able to answer it right because honestly this question is quite tricky since crypto is different from the usual assets, so I guess we should focus on factors like utility and demand to determine it's real value.

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October 31, 2023, 12:46:11 AM
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Market Cap = Current Price x Circulating Supply

Price = Marketcap divided by Circulating supply.

If people buy more bitcoin, the market will increase, which is proportional to the price. Which means as people buy more bitcoin than selling it, the price will increase.

NO!

value is not market price

the best method is to look at the most cost efficient method of acquiring an asset.

for instance if it costs a gold miner $900 to mine. and thats the cheapest on planet, that is the value point
for instance if it costs a btc miner $24k to mine. and thats the cheapest on planet, that is the value point

value is not price..

think of value as the whole sale cost and the market as the retail price.
value is a different number to the market

bitcoin price(34k) sits nearish to good value(23k) compared to the ATH premium(70k)(2021 high)
  0     23  34          70
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gold price(2k) sits no where near value(900) compared to the ATH premium(2.2k)
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use the cryptos most efficient and least efficient mining cot on the planet to work out value vs premium.. then see where the price sits
to see if if the price is in value or premium zone

2023 adjusted view of bitcoin shows there is potential premium window limit of $140k instead of 2021's $70k which puts bitcoin more into the greenzone. however we have not tested the upper limits. so playing it safe bitcoin has potential to reach 70k again meaning a 2x upside atleast.
where as gold is near its all time peak meaning not much upside


And with Bitcoin, we know for a fact that the cost of mining a single Bitcoin will go up up up. This means the value rises, but as Frank mentioned, market price is not the value. This is why looking at a speculated value instead of the price is the preferred perspective of hodlers.

There are way too many unknowable variables to define the speculational value at some future or even present time. All we know that Bitcoin is designed to become more scarce and the demand for Bitcoin is still strong, after all these years.

That seems like a projection which sparks confidence.

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October 31, 2023, 12:51:00 AM
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like we value equities using equations and ratios, what are the factors on basis of which one can do valuation of bitcoins and the other cryptocurrencies for that matter.
I have some criteria for my consideration on value of a cryptocurrency

- Total supply. Too high means low price.
- Proof of Work. I don't choose Mintable tokens.
- Use case
- Utility

If a cryptocurrency does not have good use case, utility, it's hard for it to gain good value. No value, no good trading price on the market.
Without good use case and utility, demand on the cryptocurrency can not be high and can not be maintained at high with time. After a trend gone, its demand will drop a lot.
Less demand, lower price or worse the cryptocurrency will die.

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October 31, 2023, 05:05:14 AM
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You can't compare the value of shares, property, etc with value of Bitcoin which is a currency. They simply have nothing in common to be compared or use the same method to come up with the value of bitcoin.

But how do we measure value of bitcoin? I'd say it is very hard because it is decided based on supply and demand but demand is not something we can easily measure.

Some people keep suggesting to use "cost of mining" but what they forget is that bitcoin is not like something like gold that has a fixed cost of mining that is NOT affected by price of gold. Bitcoin cost of mining is affected by price of bitcoin. Which means if bitcoin is $1, the cost of mining it is just as low and if it is $1 million it will be just as high because the difficulty is adjusting based on hashrate which is increasing with the price.

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I'll just say supply and demand. Apart from that I don't have any further idea. Maybe there's a little bit about adoption and marketcap. However, the most important thing when it comes to Bitcoin is supply and demand. It won't matter if the market cap is large but supply is greater than demand - Bitcoin prices will also be stable or even fall because there is not much demand here. In contrast, if supply is small but demand exceeds market demand, the market cap and price of Bitcoin will also increase rapidly.

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And with Bitcoin, we know for a fact that the cost of mining a single Bitcoin will go up up up. This means the value rises, but as Frank mentioned, market price is not the value. This is why looking at a speculated value instead of the price is the preferred perspective of hodlers.

There are way too many unknowable variables to define the speculational value at some future or even present time. All we know that Bitcoin is designed to become more scarce and the demand for Bitcoin is still strong, after all these years.

That seems like a projection which sparks confidence.

you got a couple details the wrong way round

although mining has many costs depending on location, electric rating and such. these variables are not "value"
"value" is the baseline CHEAPEST/MOST EFFICIENT on the planet. its the bottom edge of a window
find the most expensive inefficient mining practice and thats the premium, the top edge of a window

the PRICE speculates inbetween the edges of the window.

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price speculates in a volatile manner. because the window has reasons why someone in hawaii has different variables than someone slovic/asian areas. but the base line value is a bottom edge no one wants to cross because no one is making profit if they sell for less. its the ultimate supportline sellers wont go below

speculation is a buzzword to say random guess. where as prediction is meant as judgement after analysis
you trying to say market prediction and value speculation. which is the wrong way round

there is more actual numbers and data to analyse and calculate value(bottomline) so value is not speculative

value is an amount below the market. value rises at a more stable slower rise compared to the market volatility.


But how do we measure value of bitcoin? I'd say it is very hard because it is decided based on supply and demand but demand is not something we can easily measure.
I'll just say supply and demand. Apart from that I don't have any further idea.
wrong and wrong

the market PRICE is lead by supply and demand .. but the VALUE is not

the most efficient mining value has fixed details. like a 2 year lifecycle of mining hardware, contracted electric, and obviously a known blockreward amount. so value is not demand/supply driven. its cost vs reward driven

lets use dairy farmers and retail stores

the dairy farmer has a firm cost of production. the value.
the retailer can price milk at anything they like to customers depending on supply or demand.
if no one wants milk this week the retailer has to discount the price to get rid of it before the milk curdles
if there is high demand for milk but not enough production from the farm. then the retailers supply is low so they raise the price and do first come first serve basis, knowing people will pay extra

dont confuse market price with value.. dont compare wholesale with retail

and remember value is the underlying cheap side.. premium is the over the top expensive side
value is not the market price

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though i occasionally look at market price chart wiggles. i do not get excited by the market price when i am not selling..
(if im not selling then the price is meaningless to me)
instead i value my bitcoin at the most efficient method to acquire bitcoin on the planet. as that supportline locks in my wealth/value to a point no one wants to sell below

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October 31, 2023, 06:54:17 AM
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Bitcoin value start from you down, base on the entry price you buy, that determine the value profits return, so Bitcoin has a potential value if you can hold for a long time investment.

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