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November 07, 2023, 07:46:18 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]
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November 07, 2023, 08:11:56 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

Such is life. It has always been like that wright from the oncept. There is a difference between the rich and the poor. The rich will always go for expensive things which the poor can not afford. I think that's the way they can show or express the use of their money. Every body have class and desire, it does not necessarily mean you must buy what is equivalent to your salary. You shoygo for what you can afford. Rather than putting yourself to emotional jopady.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me financial freedom is when you have extablish yourself financially. By setting up various business that would be generating fund from time to time. Which could be durable for a long time, because short time investment does not guarantee financial freedom.

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November 07, 2023, 08:40:57 PM
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Financial freedom's description varies per person. Someone might say that it's financial freedom when they can eat everything they want and don't have to be problematic with their bills.

The others could say that it is all about having all the material things that they never have. And the rest will just say it's all about having like lots of money that you can't imagine.

What I've learned from the others about being financially free is that, they can do everything and they all have the time to do things that they want to do while earning passively.

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November 07, 2023, 09:00:12 PM
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Financial freedom is one of the topics that is always discussed when talking about money, business and investments, but you rarely find a precise definition of this wording, so everyone who talks about it simply talks about having enough money, but it means living a luxurious life without being forced to work, and here  job will be just a choice. Many people complain about their salaries, but what is more important than the salary and job is enhancing your assets so that it generates more and more money and profits for you easily.

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November 07, 2023, 09:09:09 PM
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Well, literally speaking, there are people whose knowledge and understanding of financial freedom is that when you have a lot of money, you can get everything you want materially. You don't worry about money.

But the real financial freedom is that the money follows you, not that you follow the money. I hope you get my point about what we are talking about here. Another reason is that we have financial freedom because we have different businesses that produce money, so we never run out of money.


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November 07, 2023, 09:17:10 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

As we always have heard we can't predict life as it is completely unpredictable, but if someone's fortune have decided it anything then he have to get it at any cost. Sometimes people loss their temper just for a single thing or for that thing which is not too important. But the main thing we should consider always run according to the waves. For example if there is a loss in something we should take one step back and follow another way to cross the barriers.

I have seen even many poor people that was on road and even they love to or like to study but they don't have money to study, they have are beautiful enough to work in any office but their money can't allow them to work as in this sense. Which hurts me too much sometimes. But they didn't have a mistake in it, as we all know life is so crucial and we have to deal with it sometimes.

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November 07, 2023, 09:39:15 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]
Success would only determine on how you would really be living your life and making out some wise decisions or not. If you do able to experience some sudden improvement on the time you are earning that much
then it would be normal that you would really be upgrading your living as well on which means that you arent that minding on tending to save up for some investment or business but rather you do cherish out
the current situation that you are in. Not all would really be that mindful about future events or plans but rather they would really be that minding on the current situation they are in.
When the time comes that the source had been cut or facing up some problems then this is where regrets do start to show or come up.

Regrets do always come at the end and dont wait for those consequences to slap you in the face on which you should have able to avoid such scenario if you had just that made
yourself that sensible and mindful about your finances. We do know that there's nothing permanent into this world. This is why you should really be wise
on taking decisions.

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November 07, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
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There is a premise that says that financial freedom is when money is produced while you sleep, a traditional job will never give you financial freedom, but it is the red carpet to do so.

When you read any author who deals with the subject, they tells you that you have to write a book, buy the rights to songs, a rights license to "...", in short there are many things that give you that financial freedom, that are not linked to traditional sources of income.


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I would say there are lessons to be taken from it. I wouldn't want to be the person who bought a perfume that is worth your salary, but I would love to be the person who sold a perfume for your salary, now that is the person that is lucky in that transaction. Don't get me wrong, if you have 25 million dollars in the bank, and 200+ million networth, spending 10k dollars on a perfume is not a "stupid" move, some people think that it is, but they are so rich that it doesn't matter to them at all. I think it would make sense for those people to spend like that, because if they buy a perfume that you can buy too, then why did that become so rich? But the real person I envy a lot is not that rich person, its the perfume manufacturer, I would love to own a brand like that, more than be able to buy it.

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November 07, 2023, 09:53:23 PM
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~snip~
Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

Yes, there are people who have a luxurious lifestyle with abundant wealth and maybe my monthly salary is the same as the price of the perfume they use or the price of the food they eat at a fancy restaurant. It sounds so sad and how unequal life is between the super rich and us ordinary people

Of course everyone wants to achieve financial freedom and works hard enough to achieve that goal but circumstances and luck in life are often different. For me, financial freedom is when I can provide for all my family's needs and can help other people. When it comes to money there will never be enough, humans have greed and always want more than we need. One way we can get financial freedom is by investing and I believe Bitcoin can take us there one day.

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There is a premise that says that financial freedom is when money is produced while you sleep, a traditional job will never give you financial freedom, but it is the red carpet to do so.

When you read any author who deals with the subject, they tells you that you have to write a book, buy the rights to songs, a rights license to "...", in short there are many things that give you that financial freedom, that are not linked to traditional sources of income.


Something which is passive and something that would really be that considered to be the pinnacle of success on which reaching out into a point that you wont really be needing to work for you to earn
then this is the sweetest spot i would say.It is really just that people would really be living which is more than with their means as long they could really be able to buy up the things that they do
want then this what matter the most. They dont care on whats on tomorrow as long they do have the money today then they would really be spending it up according to their likes.
Sounds really not that reasonable or something that wont really be that wise because we know that there are really moments in life on which you would really be that experiencing some hardship
on which it would be causing that financial devastation.

People would really be just only to start on making some savings or minding about business and investment on the time that they are experiencing some hardship and not on the
time that they are still experiencing some extravagance. You would really be expecting that something like this to happen for most people that on the time that they
are on that situation where they can buy something then they wont be minding if this one is really that ideal or a good choice or decision.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

This is a completely normal situation! It doesn’t bother you that when you come to a restaurant you can spend as much in one evening as probably 20-30% of the Earth’s population earns in a month (if not the majority)? Doesn't bother me. Your car can cost - as much as the annual income of an entire family in a third world country, or the poor part of even very developed countries! Although this is quite an average-priced, non-premium car...
In the end, the manufacturer has the right to set any price at which the product will be purchased from him! Yes, the world is not very fair... For some you are a wild spender with inadequate expenses, for someone you are the same wild spender with inadequate expenses. This is how the world works. Either you need to choose your niche, or rise to a higher level, there is no other way.

PS may be a little harsh and not humane, but this is the truth of life. By the way, is there a price indication there? It would be more interesting - we could discuss a specific figure

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Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

We have always encountered such things in life and we will continue to do so. Some products are only for some people, and the reason for this is the unnecessary consumption behavior that comes with the concept of wealth.

If you want to buy something and others can't buy it easily, there is a social class difference and the rich want that difference to be obvious. Most of them don't, but I would say that's generally the case. I think that's one of the mistakes that society has to overcome.

Financial freedom consists of a regular income that can enable a person to get what they want without creating any problems in their financial situation.

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Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person?
Laugh and not sorry because non of them has done wrong.

It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today?
My dear, if you feels sad who do you blame? Just laugh over it because it sounds funny and that is just one of the mysteries of life.
Asking where we are today, we are at where good's and services including  rate of living is extremely high. Everything grows but salary remains the same.


There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.
Of course it is ought to live your life by what you can afford. If you earns little then live a normal life just as said @ OP also, If you earns hugely live a luxurious life all buttressed at your net values.

What is financial freedom to you?
Financial freedom is a set backup source of finances in which there is basically logistical plans and personal reliances to maintains a stabilizative portfolio of financial flows in purposes including reliability to debt free and retirement  by investing and saving of cashes at the readiness of now and for the future.

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There are some things in this world that is unfathomable to us but is pretty common to others. Same goes to extravagant prices of common items such as this perfume.

If I were to be asked on financial freedom, I'd say I'll see it as something that enables me to not think on how to fund my wants and needs for the next 5 years. Sounds so simple but that's basically what having more than enough money means. You don't have to worry about where will you be getting your money from for the next years and live comfortably without having to hold back on spending. Being rich is asking for too much, and while that per se is also financial freedom, I don't think a lot of people will ever be able to reach that.

I'd rather be able to afford that perfume, and choose not to buy it rather than want to buy it but not have the means to do so.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.
I don't think anything has changed, there are just more humans and more things to buy. Just because we think it's waste of money, it might be worth it to someone else. And it's not like that money would be out of circulation. It just moves to other people. Who cares what item has been changed for the money?

I don't understand most of the things people buy, but at least that's something real that person bought. In comparison someone paid $23.7 million for CryptoPunk #5822 NFT.

To smell good is a good as reason as any for me.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]
No me financial freedom, is basically same thing i value money in the first place. It's a freedom to live your life without being constantly afraid that you or your kids might starve.
Riches won't automatically make you happy, but they create one hell of a safety net. If you have ever been poor, you know what i am talking about.

It's also a freedom to pursue your interests without wondering if you are making money.

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There are many people who live their lives beyond their means such as buying perfume equivalent to your salary then it is excessive but there is a view that always defends it whether it is from love or confidence in the item purchased so that it can make them improve in the future.

If I myself do not want to do excessive things because I have the ability above it then I will think twice about buying perfume that is so expensive while this item if not owned is not a problem, right?

Financial freedom is always about how much money we have, but there are other interpretations that have different views related to investment or other types, yes I think if we don't have enough investment, not much money then it's not financial freedom.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

Just be contented on what we had as long as we can meet our basic needs, I think there is no reason to feel sad.  People wealth are not equal some were born wealthy and some are poor.  Some people have more than capability to spend while some are even lacking.  If we look at it and be affected by it everyday, then we won't be living in peace in our entire life.



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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

Financial freedom according to the definition is:

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To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

Your choices is somehow the same.  Why choose to have it in the future when you already have it at this moment.  If one still need to work in order to sustain his activity then that person is not in the state of having a financial freedom since according to the definition, one can do anything he wanted without the need to work to sustain his activity.
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[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]
This is financial freedom. You don't have to sweat that much and you've made a system that generates you money passively. Mostly the CEOs are like this but they still choose to go to their office and work for some checkings and usual task. But I agree to you that this is it, we don't have to worry about future and we've got some setup already on how we're going to spend but unknown how much we're going to make this and next month. With that uncertainty, the assurance is no matter what you do, you'll still make money. And from that money we earn passively, we also can adjust our lifestyle but it's always the best thing to live within our means.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

I think this guy is completely wrong, the perfume is probably good, but his salary probably stinks  Grin

Nothing new here to be honest, there are people out there who have a shitload of wealth, and it is not those that appear in tv doing extravagant stuff, it is people who do not look at the money when they want something. If the restaurant is 1000 pounds, so be it, it does not matter. If the parfume costs 3000... whatever, it is the one I like. Basically a bunch of people who have forgotten the real value of money.

Look, the fee for attending the last forum of davos was 15.000 dollars.

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Well, that's normal; the price of something could be the salary that someone is earning. In my country, where you can see bicycles sold for $50–$100, that $100 is what some people earn as a salary every month. Over here, the minimum wage is about $20, and that salary alone cannot buy some very costly designer perfume that is sold for about $200 and above, so what's the surprise? There is usually some cheap but nice perfume that the person can actually go for instead of buying the one that is worth his salary. People should always learn to live according to their expenses and not try to go above their expenses.

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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
For me, both include the meaning of financial freedom, but if someone has both and is still stingy about spending his money, I think he is not part of it. Keep you money in Bank is one of not part of it. Because you can't use the money whatever you want, you have limited, In my country, we have limits to withdraw our money in one day using ATM, I don't know what the problem, even it is my money but bank limited it. That is such, in Bitcoin I can withdraw whatever I want. With this conclusion, I think when we keep the money on fiat we aren't on financial freedom.

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From my own view, financial freedom is not about what you can do in the future but what you can do in the present. It is having enough money to live your life just as you would want it. It is being able to do anything without being held down financially (it could be traveling to new places or following your passion). To be financially free, you must have a good/stable income, you should have savings and investments, and you shouldn't have any overwhelming debt that you can't easily pay off. When you are financially free, you can live life on your own terms; I remember seeing a post on this forum about purchasing something without checking the price on the price tag, that there is financial freedom.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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In 1998 I ate an animal that was instinct the very same year.

Now, if you want to buy all the food in the world with your money, just to taste everything, it is not possible to get my expierence from 1998.

Always freedom is limited and related to something deep slaverish. In philosophy they have the concept of total freedom, what is impossible: "Freedom is the ability to be unfree." And in philosophy they have "smaller freedoms" more related to a special situation. And all the freedoms are different (related to another topic).

To your questions:

First you are using the term "passive income". These words are an indicator, that you be in a scamming bubble. ("Burning" is also n indicator word for a scam in Crypto.)

Then, you gave me two choices to answer. I do not do that! Look, what I love in that world I can get without money.

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The huge gap between what people earn and what they spend on perfume reflects today's economic inequality. Long-term security and the ability to survive without financial anxiety are my definition of financial freedom. Your second point is right: financial freedom is being certain of future support, not having a lot of money

Passive income investments are smart. The backbone of financial stability, they generate money without effort. Money should serve you, not vice versa. I favour investments that both generate returns and boost the economy. Contributing to a system where wealth is accumulated and distributed to benefit society is more than just personal gain

I'm talking about smart, informed judgements that examine market patterns, economic indications, and growth prospects, not merely pouring money into stocks or bonds. Be smart with your investments, diversify your portfolio, and understand the economy. That's how I define financial freedom: it's a secure future, not just for me but for the economy I'm a part of

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I'm talking about smart, informed judgements that examine market patterns, economic indications, and growth prospects

(...) diversify your portfolio


What?!

Why should you diversify your portfolio, when you can read market patterns and use them? If you know something, you know something. And it will materialize. So you do not have to diversify.

And "passive income" is a scam!

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Financial freedom is basically when you don't worry about money anymore, or at least not that much. If you can purchase that luxurious perfume without sacrificing your other basic needs, savings, and others, then you're financially free. If you can build a big house, buy a nice car, abundantly provide your family's needs and wants, and so forth, you're financially free.

It matters, however, whether your stream of income comes from salary, business revenue, dividend, and so on. While I consider an employee having a huge regular salary as financially free, he/she is not to be compared with somebody who can take a vacation everyday because he/she doesn't have to work to earn, even if the former earns more than the latter. It makes a huge difference.

Having said this, we should set our priorities. If something is unnecessary, it might be better not to buy it and save the money instead or use it to give you additional source of income. The goal is certainly not only financial freedom but a free life.

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You can literally see a lot of things that are pricey and similar to the bare minimum wage salary of an average person. The thing is if we compare the person who buys expensive perfumes to people who's worth their salary to the perfume, for sure they can afford it as they might have investments and savings because if they would rely on their salary as well, they might not buy luxurious products just to look good. That's how powerful financial freedom is, that's why it is much better to be disciplined and focused on investment and savings first because you will be the one who's gonna benefit in the end. If your salary is not enough for investment cause you would need to provide all your needs, I think alternate money sources would do good, as long as its legal cause we wouldn't tolerate illegal activities.

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You can literally see a lot of things that are pricey and similar to the bare minimum wage salary of an average person. The thing is if we compare the person who buys expensive perfumes to people who's worth their salary to the perfume, for sure they can afford it as they might have investments and savings because if they would rely on their salary as well, they might not buy luxurious products just to look good. That's how powerful financial freedom is, that's why it is much better to be disciplined and focused on investment and savings first because you will be the one who's gonna benefit in the end. If your salary is not enough for investment cause you would need to provide all your needs, I think alternate money sources would do good, as long as its legal cause we wouldn't tolerate illegal activities.
Every person who has an average minimum wage income will certainly manage the expenses he needs well, because if he cannot manage them well and prefers to use more expensive goods then his income will certainly not be enough to meet his needs. If we choose to focus on investing, of course we will be able to achieve the financial freedom that we and we want and if we can't invest yet, it would be better for us to save first and resist the desire for things we don't need in order to be able to save and invest.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]
I basically think just as you do, even if I had the money to buy very expensive items I would not do so as I simply get nothing from them that I could not get from a cheaper item, to me financial freedom is being able to pursue my goals and my interests without having to worry about where the money to sustain myself will come from, and while I have not reached that level of wealth yet, I am optimistic about my possibilities of reaching that state thanks to bitcoin.
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When one's basic necessities are satiated, they start looking for pleasures further and spending money on luxurious things in one of them.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

If there is some need then I should have enough money in my bank account to satiate that need, this is financial freedom for me. There is no end to 'wants' so I used the word 'need' specifically here.

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November 08, 2023, 05:48:39 AM
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Financial freedom is basically when you don't worry about money anymore, or at least not that much. If you can purchase that luxurious perfume without sacrificing your other basic needs, savings, and others, then you're financially free. If you can build a big house, buy a nice car, abundantly provide your family's needs and wants, and so forth, you're financially free.

It matters, however, whether your stream of income comes from salary, business revenue, dividend, and so on. While I consider an employee having a huge regular salary as financially free, he/she is not to be compared with somebody who can take a vacation everyday because he/she doesn't have to work to earn, even if the former earns more than the latter. It makes a huge difference.

Having said this, we should set our priorities. If something is unnecessary, it might be better not to buy it and save the money instead or use it to give you additional source of income. The goal is certainly not only financial freedom but a free life.

In general, I agree with your opinion regarding financial freedom.

In my personal opinion, financial freedom is someone who has an income, whether small or large, they are able to differentiate between what is a priority and what is not, are able to meet basic or basic needs and have leftovers to buy secondary needs. In essence, people who are free from debt and credit are people who are financial freedom.

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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

After considering my current situation, I have decided to choose the second option as it appears more feasible for me. Having enough funds to provide me with possibilities and opportunities in the future is more exciting than relying on luck, a sugar daddy/mommy, or engaging in illegal activities.

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November 08, 2023, 06:17:44 AM
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You have to understand that all products have different target markets, so you might get your cheap perfumes that are targeted to the poor and middle class people and then you get the expensive perfumes for the rich people and this is the same for most products in the market.

I think if they made a perfume based on my monthly salary, then people using it might smell like a Skunks ass.  Cheesy  In any way, most people never reach a stage in their life, where they acquire passive income... the majority have to work for it until they die.  Tongue

A lot of governments provide social grants to people when they pension without benefits, so that might be perceived as passive income.

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November 08, 2023, 06:28:06 AM
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Their money, their choice.

If they are working to buy their wants, let them be, maybe that's where they get their happiness, because they can't get that expensive thing when they were just a kid, or any reason at all. For sure they know the consequences of what they are doing, in the long run, they just don't care for that since their mindset is that they could earn it again and again.

Other people chose to save their money, buy things that is more practical to save even more, which is very good in the long run, especially if you have your own family. Some people choose to be a social climber, and some people choose to be simple. Choose your hard in life.
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We have to know this that life itself is not balanced, what is important to you may not be a valuable asset to another person, some people can spend what others can earn in a year in just a day, we need to to just cut our clothes according to our size, some are spending more than their income, yet after they would have waste resources on unnecessary things they become broke and those that earn little but knows how to maintain spending last longer in managing themselves, despite their low income, they still manage to save up some money and cut costs.

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Managing your personal life is built on what others have shaped for you. It sounds funny, but the truth is, in life, we ​​don't even know what we're living for. Things are considered hobbies, and they will identify with those who share them, the opposite of those who see them as redundant and wasteful. I feel like as long as we can afford to spend it on that hobby without any stress or regret, we should. Before, I also found it quite funny when a hat was priced at thousands of dollars, and I didn't understand that owning that hat added value to the user, but the story is about hobbies. Along with human desire, the nature of winning and losing is part of the problem. And sometimes we feel sorry for them, but let's try to put it in their mind, it's important to be willing to spend big on things that we don't like, but they like. If I can't help them, I don't think it's necessary to stay and debate with them about their views on life.









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I think having financial freedom means having enough money that can last for more than 200 years, even when prices go up. This money will cover important things like children's education and family healthcare.
To make sure this money lasts for long time, it will be good to have some different ways to make money regularly, like owning a business or renting out property.
That way, anyone can keep their finances safe for a long time and become financially free.
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To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.


Someone shouldn't get bothered if they see the worth of their salary as the price of a perfume. Everyone know their financial status and their level in the society as their are rich, average and poor people and that reflect on how much we are able to earn at the end of the day. But instead of being bothered about that, we should try and cut down on expenses and luxurious lifestyle to savings and investment. By doing that with patience and focus, we can get out of such low salary or income status because multiple investment accrues to more financial potential increase.

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Financial freedom is one of the topics that is always discussed when talking about money, business and investments, but you rarely find a precise definition of this wording, so everyone who talks about it simply talks about having enough money, but it means living a luxurious life without being forced to work, and here  job will be just a choice. Many people complain about their salaries, but what is more important than the salary and job is enhancing your assets so that it generates more and more money and profits for you easily.

Just as financial freedom has different meanings that is how the word luxury is relative because it means different things to different people. To some persons owning a house is a luxury while others see it as poverty because they own more than properties in chosen areas. To me financial freedom is not a life of luxury or having so much where you don't work to survive but it is the ability to have all you need to survive and live the kind of life you desire for yourself. It is the freedom from financial debt and pressure, the ability to cover all your expenses and build savings for the future. If living a luxurious life is the true definition of financial freedom, I am afraid that the majority of the world's population will never attain it. For me, I don't necessarily need to live in luxury or don't work for me to be financially free.

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November 08, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
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He should be glad his salary is worth a substance with an adorable and pleasant smell. Lol.

Our salaries must worth something it's left for you to improve your skills and knowledge in whatever service you're rendering as a worker to raise your value to worth something much revered than a bottle of a perfume.

There's a piece about life most humans are not getting and that's very bad what you think is in excess for you is what another is lacking, what I may take so important could be what another sees as a piece of cake by virtue of his financial status that's why financial freedom is a subjective matter as my financial freedom can start from where yours ends and this is subject to our dreams in life.

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November 08, 2023, 09:04:33 AM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that good give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

You don't need to be jealous of other people's income, if you keep comparing your current income with successful people (who earn hundreds of US dollars per day) then you will be stressed and frustrated, but if you compare your current income with people who don't working or unemployed then you will definitely be grateful for what you are currently earning, believe me if you have a strong intention to change your life then slowly but surely you will be given a way by God who owns this life and you will feel satisfied in the end.



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November 08, 2023, 09:30:19 AM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.
You don't have to feel sorry for anyone and once he can afford it, he should go ahead. Although this is an ostentatious good as economics has called it in reality, but I always say that if you can afford a thing that makes you happy, you should go for it. Personally, I deny myself of many things especially when I see them as frivolities, but I will always respect the wish/want of others if they can afford it and do not do it out of being broke.

Wait a minute, is it the smell of one's salary you are talking about, what about the smell of the entire lifetime fortune of some people? There are some very rich who will always want to waste this money since they do not have much other use for it and this is how the money mostly circulates among the rich as they procure what couldn't even justify the pay.

And to them, their financial freedom is certain as they are rich and have numerous investments all over the place. It's the poor people who would be surprised by this as the way of life of the rich is in the king's category.

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November 08, 2023, 09:34:52 AM
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First of all there’s no way of knowing if the “future” we are all talking about is already the present of the man wearing the expensive perfume


he couldve worked really hard and invested so that our so-called future will finally be his present we are all aiming to be financially stable but what for? i believe if people are capable of such, we should be able to treat ourselves from time to time that man could already have saved more than enough for his lifetime and could support himself and buy something on the side too i don’t see anything wrong with that as long as it’s all in responsible use

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Same with you OP. I would also choose the second option. For me, financial freedom is not even about making life luxurious and expensive. But for me financial freedom is more about a very pleasant life where I can live in peace with all the money I have which will be enough to keep me earning even if I don't work (Passive income). But everyone definitely wants to enjoy life in different ways, but for me a simple life is more enjoyable. Because even if I become a rich person, it is because I have achieved financial freedom. But I don't like to stand out. I prefer to look like a normal person.

And to achieve this, I have prepared myself and have made plans for this. Where I have started my investment from now on. It's okay if I don't live a luxurious life now. The most important thing for me is that I can build my wealth to grow more rapidly for the future. The focus now for me is to continue working, investing and maintaining health. Because health is the most important investment.

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November 08, 2023, 11:36:05 AM
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To be honest, I feel like when it comes to financial freedom, it really does differ. While some believe in luxury others believe in comfort. I think financial freedom really comes down to a mindset that you're free from any and every financial problem that'll come your way both now and in the future. You're stable, and even if problems come you can face them. Some people can get to a very high amount of income and still not be free, and speaking about potential future freedom, it's very possible for one to meet an unforeseen event and lose all they have. Besides money can't make you free in all sectors of life.

So personally, I think financial freedom simply boils down to a mindset of stability when it comes to finances, and trust me the amount differs for everyone.
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
for me, there is no amount of money that someone has now that he can brag that he has financial freedom, financial freedom is rooted in your assets and not stationery money, If you have money and it is not moving, in no distant time, that money would vanish cos fiat currency depreciates over time and its subject to theft and liquidation as long as its not multiplying itself. Good Investment is the escape route to financial freedom cos the money invested wisely, be it in real estate, Agriculture or cryptocurrency like Bitcoin has the tendency of multiplying itself. There are risks associated with investments too as you must act smartly not to be victimized, but the risk in holding money stationarily is far greater when compared.
I got with the second option.

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2nd one. I consider the current stage of my life where I'm starting in the work force and up to a certain age investments towards my time in the future. While I do take part of my income for my personal enjoyment, I still try to create methods and ways to make passive income for my future retirement. I don't really want to become an old dude and still have to mind everything and anything related to money, instead, I just want to sit back and relax. I don't even want that much really, just enough to enjoy my small hobbies (games and drawing) and enough to live my life (though I guess what I want is rather big already, especially in this economy).

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November 08, 2023, 02:32:54 PM
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If someone has limited amount of money then he should avoid expensive perfumes and other materials because we will do what we can afford to do. If we are spending lots of money on expensive perfume then we will not able even to eat well. Everyone buy things according to his salary so when someone spend just for smell good then he will have larger amount of money in which price of perfume does not matter to spend.

financial stability does not come easily but a person have to sacrifices his happiness for sometimes after which every way will be smooth for him. A person always work day and night to live a satisfied life and buy expensive things but when time comes then either he dies or are not able to enjoy the life as he wants to do. So it will be enough for us that we are eating good, wearing good and there is a satisfaction in our lives and we should be thankful for these.

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Price of most of the cosmetics are heavily inflated. They know these are luxury items and this they are charging upto 10 times the manufacturing cost. One should look for newer brands which have correct pricing to avoid money waste.
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I think this is the first time I read this kind of story. It's really interesting how the difference between different people could be big because of this. You know that there are a lot of people who are affected by how much other people are earning and the "comparison" part is what hurt the most. It's the part where you see in a month's salary, it's just a bottle of perfume to others.

People in general are yearning for more expensive stuff if they want to. I do hope not everyone is like this.

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What?!

Why should you diversify your portfolio, when you can read market patterns and use them? If you know something, you know something. And it will materialize. So you do not have to diversify.

And "passive income" is a scam!

Why shouldn’t you diversify your portfolio? Why depend on a single source of income? For an individual to be financially independent, a single source of income wouldn’t do.
It’s not all about fully knowing something so therefore you expect positive outcome all the time. It doesn’t work that way all the time and doesn’t always materialize, hence the need to diversify on your income. A wealthy person knows best to diversify on his income despite earning a huge sum from a single source. You just can’t get wealthy from earning from only one source.
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for me, there is no amount of money that someone has now that he can brag that he has financial freedom, financial freedom is rooted in your assets and not stationery money, If you have money and it is not moving, in no distant time, that money would vanish cos fiat currency depreciates over time and its subject to theft and liquidation as long as its not multiplying itself. Good Investment is the escape route to financial freedom cos the money invested wisely, be it in real estate, Agriculture or cryptocurrency like Bitcoin has the tendency of multiplying itself. There are risks associated with investments too as you must act smartly not to be victimized, but the risk in holding money stationarily is far greater when compared.
I got with the second option.

I agree with you to some point. Most of the time, we see ourselves as financially stable, which is based on the kind of money we have been able to accumulate over time, not knowing that what we have right now as the highest money in our lives is what others are spending on a daily basis, and some people see it as them being on their lowest cash.
 
Financial stability is when one has a steable cash flow that is coming into their account or whatever means of saving they use, either crypto or bank account. When the money you have is all that you have and you don't do some kind of investment that can be giving you a return, a time will come when you will spend that money up to the level that it will be giving you the thought to even make further withdrawals because you know when that one is finished you have nothing else to run back to.
 
Financial freedom could also be seen as having access to your wealth whenever you need it and wherever you want to make use of it without any form of limitation or restriction. Anyone who has such monetary access can say they are financially free, and I don't think financial freedom is being dominated by wealth.

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What?!

Why should you diversify your portfolio, when you can read market patterns and use them? If you know something, you know something. And it will materialize. So you do not have to diversify.

And "passive income" is a scam!
Wait what? What are you talking about buddy? Just because you know everything doesn't mean those things are going to play out the way you think it will. Nothing in life goes as planned. Life is so uncertain that anything could happen at any time and you can't control it. But what you can do is you can prepare for it. Diversification is the key. It doesn't matter what you say. Do you want to lose it all or lose a part of it so that you can continue to invest in the future? This is why diversification is so important. If you lose your one hand it should be able to use the other one.

And passive income is a thing and it is quite important. People thinks that passive income means you don't have to do anything and you will get something in return. That's not how it works. You invest in put your work in it and as you most yours the future those investments Will continue to grow. That's what passive income is. You have to work for it. And one source of passive income doesn't stay for lifetime. If one is gone then you search for another one. You keep on investing to make more profits. That's how it works.

Price of most of the cosmetics are heavily inflated. They know these are luxury items and this they are charging upto 10 times the manufacturing cost. One should look for newer brands which have correct pricing to avoid money waste.
I think it will be better if you read the whole post. Don't jump to conclusion because we are not talking about the price of a perfume instead we are talking about financial freedom and people's thought about it. Have you gained financial freedom to leave the luxurious life or what you have right now is financial freedom to you.
Is financial freedom luxury or reliability for the future?
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
Financial freedom in its actual meaning is to be able to do whatever you want in monetary terms, which means that you shouldn't be unable to do something just because you don't have enough money to do it, other problems and hurdles are a different topic, but if you know you have the money to achieve what you want, you have financial freedom. There is one more thing that is also important in this, after doing whatever you want, you shouldn't have to compromise on something else in your life, which means that you should have enough wealth to do everything you want and still have more than enough left behind.

I know that a lot of people would have different definitions for the term but the actual definition is what I've described above. Being satisfied and happy with what you have isn't being financially free, having enough money to eat good food twice a week, or buy branded clothes doesn't mean you have financial freedom, these are things that are easily achievable by someone having an average paying job, but financial freedom isn't easily achievable.

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That feeling when you can afford all you want,  no matter the price tag attached without having to overlabour yourself. That is freedom,  financial freedom.  You have a very strong purchasing power. Being an employee or a salary earner cannot guarantee financial freedom. This is not something that happens overnight,  it takes years of hardworking and of course brain work too. Though there are still people who are lucky to be born into a world of financial freedom through benefits they inherited from their relatives.

To acquire this freedom, one  needs to take that risk and invest in a longterm project that will generate returns till if possible infinity. Who ever can afford the perfume in the story above has paid his dues and is reaping the benefits.

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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you?
Financial freedom is something else and for me, financial freedom is the excess amount of money that fulfills what you desire regardless of the time and the price. I know everyone has their thoughts about it and someone will not agree with me but for me, this is financial freedom. How a person can call it financial freedom that he can buy things within limits, there are two classes in the world one is upper and the second is lower. The upper class has financial freedoms while the poor one has not and they are slaves or workers of the first class. The thing is how to get financial freedom and there are certain ways, well it is harder but for those who just think not the practical one, they follow and will gain this financial freedom sooner.
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
Whenever I see things like this, I am not moved by them, we cannot be equal. Your salary, which you see on a bottle of perfume that makes you feel bad, is what some people are praying for. In this life, there are people who will be more than you, and there are some people who will be more than you. The best thing is to just be satisfied with what you are having. What are you going to say about that? The amount which some people receive as a salary is what some people spend on feeding in a day, What's your say on that?  Don't be moved by what you see, just stay focused, and never let what you see affect you.

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.
I am financially independent if I can purchase the items I require for myself. I don't have to amass a lot of opulent possessions before I can declare myself financially independent. You must be satisfied with what you have if you are able to get the necessities, else, you risk engaging in criminal activity in an attempt to live a lavish lifestyle.

I think this guy is completely wrong, the perfume is probably good, but his salary probably stinks  Grin
No matter how high the salary you are receiving, don't be surprised that you will still end up seeing it in perfume. I have seen different perfumes that are worth thousands of dollars, and people who have the money are still buying them. The best thing is that you should just be satisfied with what you have and don't feel bad whenever you see things like this.

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There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

Normally, that is how life is. You are looking for what someone has, and at the same time, someone else is looking for what you have, so that is how you think you are seeing others overspend or being more than you. That is how another person out there is also seeing you, so it is normal that someone uses another person's monthly salary to purchase a common perfume based on their capacity to earn money. If you earn less, you will know what to buy that will suit your money, and also another person will see the same thing.

So it’s not something you will be surprised for, in my opinion, it's just a normal thing that happens every day, or maybe you just experienced such a thing today. That’s why you are bringing it up here for discussion. If not for me, now it’s quite right that someone uses another person's salary to buy perfume; you don’t know what he earns monthly or even weekly.

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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

In simple terms, financial freedom is when someone has sufficient funds to sustain his leaving without having financial problems that will come up for you, and you will not be able to solve your problem when you are able to solve your problems by yourself without requesting money from someone. I think you are financially free. However, when you said in the future you are not talking about the current situation and financial freedom is all about when you are financially okay with depending on someone but you bringing the future in your sentence, I think you are talking about something that will happen later, or did you think financial freedom is to setup some certain amount that you will use in the future?

However, it is also good when you are currently free financially and sure of your future that you will not be running around for financial assistance. On the other hand, we can also consider financial freedom, but to me, the main thing is the current situation of someone's financial status.

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November 08, 2023, 08:40:16 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
Whenever I see things like this, I am not moved by them, we cannot be equal. Your salary, which you see on a bottle of perfume that makes you feel bad, is what some people are praying for. In this life, there are people who will be more than you, and there are some people who will be more than you. The best thing is to just be satisfied with what you are having. What are you going to say about that? The amount which some people receive as a salary is what some people spend on feeding in a day, What's your say on that?  Don't be moved by what you see, just stay focused, and never let what you see affect you.

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.
I am financially independent if I can purchase the items I require for myself. I don't have to amass a lot of opulent possessions before I can declare myself financially independent. You must be satisfied with what you have if you are able to get the necessities, else, you risk engaging in criminal activity in an attempt to live a lavish lifestyle.

I think this guy is completely wrong, the perfume is probably good, but his salary probably stinks  Grin
No matter how high the salary you are receiving, don't be surprised that you will still end up seeing it in perfume. I have seen different perfumes that are worth thousands of dollars, and people who have the money are still buying them. The best thing is that you should just be satisfied with what you have and don't feel bad whenever you see things like this.
In short, there's no equality into this world on which everything cant really be that balanced on which means that there are ones who are richer than you, who are earning more than you, better financial
capacity and this is why its not really that right that you should really be making yourself that get jealous on whatever things that they do possess. Its never been good  that you would really be that making yourself get jelous because this one would really be creating that kind of desperation on trying out to commit something illegal if you cant really be able to find yourself on buying something.
Its never been that recommendable on doing so but instead you would really be needing to be contented.

The key on here is that if you do have those kinf of wishes in life then you should work hard for it and not really just that keeping yourself that sitting without
doing nothing. You wont really be that progressive on that case.

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November 08, 2023, 08:51:33 PM
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To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.
I also happy with the second option. It is normal that the meaning of financial freedom may be different for each person. But according to me, financial freedom does not mean that I need to buy things that are expensive and unnecessary to me.
In fact, nowadays Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, these social media influence our lives too much. Most of the people here prefer to show off who used what kind of cosmetics or who used how expensive clothes, or went to luxury hotel restaurants and compete among themselves. Especially by social media marketers and influencers, these public are so brainwashed that they have no brain. Yes if afforded then different matter there. But these things are trivial to me, I think it is better to save that money for business planning instead of over-expenses, and currently, holding Bitcoin for a long time can also be a good choice.

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November 08, 2023, 08:52:41 PM
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Financial freedom's description varies per person. Someone might say that it's financial freedom when they can eat everything they want and don't have to be problematic with their bills.

The others could say that it is all about having all the material things that they never have. And the rest will just say it's all about having like lots of money that you can't imagine.

What I've learned from the others about being financially free is that, they can do everything and they all have the time to do things that they want to do while earning passively.
Despite of the different interpretation about financial freedom, at the end of the day the only thing certain about it is that we need financial freedom so we don't have to face financial problems at the present and most especially in the future. That's why we need not to settle less but learn to maximize opportunities so we can achieve financial freedom in the end. We need not to limit saving our own money not only from our salary alone but as much as possible from our investments that are giving us bigger interest and profits compared to the salary we earn from 8-hour day working.

And lastly, we need to build financial freedom not because we want to satisfy our own self but because we need to give our children the bright future they deserve. That is the reason why a lot of us are working day and night not to let us feel that we are highly capable to earn a living but as parents its our obligation to do it so we can provide the needs and wants of our family without bothering other people asking some help.

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November 08, 2023, 08:54:03 PM
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Financial freedom is one of the topics that is always discussed when talking about money, business and investments, but you rarely find a precise definition of this wording, so everyone who talks about it simply talks about having enough money, but it means living a luxurious life without being forced to work, and here  job will be just a choice. Many people complain about their salaries, but what is more important than the salary and job is enhancing your assets so that it generates more and more money and profits for you easily.

to many they would think I am financially free.

to myself I am not financially free.

I have a friend I met in 1996 he is worth over 26 million USD.

More likely he is worth around 45-55 million.

To me he seems financially free.  But I can honestly say financially

free is more than the cash and debt.  My buddy is 77 years old I know for sure he would drop from 55 million to 20 million if he could be 25 years old.

Myself at 66 won't want for money. Yeah I won't be buying $1,000 dollar bottles of perfume for my wife. I won't be drinking $2500 bottles of whiskey.

But I can buy a 100-200 dollar bottle of wine or whiskey when every I want. which is not very often.

What is real financial freedom for me have enough money to buy time. As I would like to be younger for a lot more time.

I think a lot of people that finally get a decent amount of money end up wanting more time instead.

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Sadly this is a real thing.... "I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today"! Some people see their salary on someone's breakfast bill. While some people have too much, others don't have for basics. Yeah, that's the world we are living in... and is there anything that can be done about that? Of course, the answer is no, nothing can be done about that... it's the system we are living in. Maybe some new generations with more awareness and self-awareness can change it, but for now, we are stuck in it. Damn money and what people are willing to do to have more money, that's why this world is getting crazier every day.


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November 08, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
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Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

There are two sentences that are quite interesting and took my focus when I was reading the whole content of your post. and I will try to explain it again and translate it.

The first sentence, that is;
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There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn.
I see that there is someone who is trying to live a normal life, but he has no desire to progress and have financial freedom. And he prefers to live with his meager income, which may not be able to fulfill all his needs.
And when someone is already in this situation, it is very troublesome. Because people like this will never again want to try to how they can get a decent and better life. This kind of person no longer has ambitions for how he can build a business and create economic independence to release his dependence on others, because after all, the name of a worker is someone who depends on companies or other people. and people like this no longer want to improve their abilities and knowledge in the world of investment, in an effort to be able to increase their income.

This is all nonsense, because the normal life of a person is when that person is willing and continues to increase his knowledge, abilities and efforts to be able to achieve financial freedom and release the shackles of others.

And for the second sentence, that is;
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And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.
It's like describing someone who has a high ambition to be able to gain financial freedom, but this ambition is not accompanied by a maximum effort and he does it in order to expect praise and flattery from others.

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November 08, 2023, 09:59:15 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

There is a common theme that "afflicts" people who chase money, which is they can bring up their spending habits to match their salary if they are not careful. There is a whole spectrum of items for sale out there, you talk about perfume but the same thing applies to almost every object you can imagine - shoes, cars, watches, food and everything else. The way you phrase the question is a bit weird, because both sides of your question ask the same thing. However ultimately you can get a certain number in your bank account but unless you know how to use it in future, it can very easily leak away to become zero again. There are rich families that over generations have seen great grand kids finally fritter away the remnants of huge fortunes because they were frivolous.

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November 08, 2023, 10:56:55 PM
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Sadly this is a real thing.... "I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today"! Some people see their salary on someone's breakfast bill. While some people have too much, others don't have for basics. Yeah, that's the world we are living in... and is there anything that can be done about that? Of course, the answer is no, nothing can be done about that... it's the system we are living in. Maybe some new generations with more awareness and self-awareness can change it, but for now, we are stuck in it. Damn money and what people are willing to do to have more money, that's why this world is getting crazier every day.


I don't even know why this is shocking to our OP, because I have seen prices of various drinks with alcohol content, and a fish dish prepared just for immediate consumption, cost as much as said.
The life ain't same to everyone, what some consider as blessings, like a job, to others, it might just be bills on the go.

The good thing is how the way remains open to anyone looking for alternative sources of income, and BTC sure plays a good role in assuring financial independence and more money to spend at some point by trading, or by a good DCA investment strategy.

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November 08, 2023, 11:33:12 PM
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I used to think the same way. Mind you I still get paid in peanuts today but the difference from then and now is that I have a sizable bitcoin investment that I know would carry me should things go south, but I digress. The thing is that a lot of people are so used to comparing apples and oranges. Sure it sucks to see someone's whole livelihood just be someone's Saturday purchase, but did they get to where they are now whining about the apparent classism? Probably not.

Once I was able to rid myself of this loser's mindset, I was able to finally figure out what needs to be done to change my life. Everyone who earns minimum wage without savings get to this point in their lives, it's up to you if you'd use it as an inspiration to push further and change your life for the better, or whine and wallow about how things are not fair and shit.
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November 08, 2023, 11:36:25 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

Financial freedom actually talks about a situation where a person can actually afford anything he wants without going bankrupt or his finance being affected. So it's basically about you getting anything you want at your own will and still having enough savings.

Talking about your salary and how somebody used it to buy a single perfume, you must understand that the society is made up of different persons, those that have more than enough, those that just have, and those that don't have. So as an individual you can fall into any of these three categories listed, that is why you will see people that can actually use your salary to get a single perfume without it affecting their finances, because they have more than enough, hence they are financially capable.

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November 09, 2023, 03:26:43 AM
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That's life, no one can predict a person's fate whether he can live a life of luxury or have to continue working with a very limited income. In general, everyone wants a life free from all financial problems, but not everyone is as lucky as rich people in general. Actually, wealth is not always measured by financial freedom that can enjoy all luxury goods, in my opinion, wealth depends on being grateful for what we have now. Not all rich people who always enjoy luxury goods can feel happiness and calm in their lives, but feeling grateful for what they have can give them peace in their lives.

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Financial freedom has different meanings depending on each individual's perception. For me, financial freedom that can provide comfort in life must create conditions where finances continue to flow even after retirement. Looking for money must be turned into money looking for us, There are many ways you can achieve financial freedom, but not everyone is that lucky. People who rely on their physical strength or energy will experience a decrease in income when they can no longer work, but people who rely on their brains can experience financial freedom even though they are old.

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November 09, 2023, 05:08:06 AM
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Their money, their choice.

If they are working to buy their wants, let them be, maybe that's where they get their happiness, because they can't get that expensive thing when they were just a kid, or any reason at all. For sure they know the consequences of what they are doing, in the long run, they just don't care for that since their mindset is that they could earn it again and again.

Other people chose to save their money, buy things that is more practical to save even more, which is very good in the long run, especially if you have your own family. Some people choose to be a social climber, and some people choose to be simple. Choose your hard in life.
There were always people who like to talk about the life of other people or the things that they saw around them. Maybe this also produces some dopamine in their brain. But still, it is better to be quite if what they are discussing is not really that important, also because those people or things that they are discussing are not doing the same thing to them or to others.

Aside from not affording the expensive item as a kid, may be those people are already rich even when they are just a kid? Some will do it to brag. This are the ones who can regret on what they spend later on. But some are doing it because they genuinely like it. Many rich people are like this. Not braggy.

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November 09, 2023, 05:31:54 AM
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First it's success then financial freedom. A person's needs will depend on his income. One earns $10 a week while another earns $200.  In that case both will have financial freedom but different. Earnings are basically a part of success. So success is very much the result of the right mix of personal preference, circumstances, and hard work. It's the process of deciding how you live your life and what decisions you make can be different for different people. If you want success, first set your goals. So fix correct registration and perspective for success. You said "I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today" but in that case I would say "Success doesn't find perfume. Perfume finds success."

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November 09, 2023, 06:12:16 AM
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Sadly this is a real thing.... "I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today"! Some people see their salary on someone's breakfast bill.
Yeah, a sad truth. Someone sees their salary from others' small bills while we don't know how huge they have their paychecks. I've been there in the past and thought about how these people manage to reach those high salaries. Like a kid thinking of how he's going to get his desired toy displayed in the toy store. I guess that curiosity of mine helped me to figure out that it's not just all about the good job and salary they get but also how you like what you do, the passion should be there.

Some people are just working paycheck to paycheck, others work with high salaries but don't like what they do. While some, earn exactly what they need to bring food to the table and make ends meet but like what they're doing. I think everyone is facing any of that situation but we can be at the best shape of our careers and business if we work smart and hard on it.

While the people that have managed to get the work-life balance standing and earning decently and way above the standard. They have figured out their worth and managed to negotiate their expectations and salary to their interviews and from there, it starts to freedom through finance because they're able to buy things they desire. And the idea of being financially free starts from there as they've got more money to allot from things to things like investments and assets.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.
I am not surprised at this because no matter the amount you think you make to some people it’s just peanuts. We cannot all make the same amount of salary because we don’t work the same job. I have seen someone buying a shoe with double the amount i earn but i still manage to survive on that same amount. What you earn will determine how you spend money and things you splash money on.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.
Financial freedom is to be able to acquire anything of your choice at a particular time of need without actually having to worry of the cost. You will have to own a huge amount of money to be able to achieve this though financial freedom is not always about luxury, some people can be at a state of financial freedom any luxurious property not that they can’t afford them but just that they don’t want to. Some people prefer living a low key lifestyle which is probably because they are not social and don’t fancy such lifestyle.

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November 09, 2023, 07:29:52 AM
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Financial freedom is a condition where you have enough and no financial difficulties. You can buy what you want without having to wait. But financial freedom is the moment when you have achieved stability in your financial condition. Maybe we already have a passive income, so we don't think about finances because we can earn money steadily.

But if you don't have any debt and you can meet all your life needs, primary or secondary and also others, you may have achieved financial freedom. The important thing is that you can feel satisfied with what you get even though you are not rich, but you can feel enough, and that also includes financial freedom.

However, the definition of financial freedom may be different for each person. By owning Bitcoin, at least, we have achieved financial freedom. We don't worry about our future because we already have long-term investments. We can also fulfill all our daily needs well without any difficulties.

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November 09, 2023, 08:13:31 AM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

The truth is that no matter how big you think you are earning, there are people spending such amount on a menial value things and you just have to deal with it and continue leaving your life in your own standard. However, we should know that financial freedom is not just about having lots of money but It's all about having a healthy relationship with money. Financial freedom can mean different things to different people but I think it generally refers to having enough money to live comfortably without worrying about meeting basic needs. That is, when you have enough money to take care of yourself in case of an emergency or unexpected event without having to worry about it. This include things like having enough money to cover rent, food, healthcare, and other basic living expenses.

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November 09, 2023, 09:43:21 AM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree with this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]
Financial freedom is a statement that mean different thing to different people,  to some financial freedom mean financial knowledge, skills and prudents, thisw innrhis category dont mind how much physical cash that is available for them, but are more concerned about their investment and ability to grow their investment at all them, I belong to this class of thoughts!


While to others financial freedom means having a large starched cash available for their daily spending,  this has made up for their definitions of financial freedom,  but those with this line of thoughts, are those that are in the category of people that inherited wealth such as family money, and gifted, those in the class doesn't have the knowledge to invest and grow the money, but the goal is to keep spending the money at every given opportunity.


We have also those in the category of the lower grade of mental alertness as far as money is concerned, these are those who are looking for quick money and high profits, and those in this category are always victims of scams.

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November 09, 2023, 10:33:00 AM
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I mean, it's not entirely unheard of for some perfumes to sell for triple dollar digits!

But then if we are looking at that, we also have to consider that because of activists' most hated process "globalization", wages in developing countries around the world have been flattened according to the national currency, so no they are not getting paid by the dollar.

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November 09, 2023, 12:34:08 PM
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People are not on the same level financially, so this should not be too surprising. The salary that someone is okay with receiving is same amount of money someone somewhere gives out to charity, or spends partying, all fingers will never be equal.

For the person in the story who was surprised seeing what he earns on a perfume bottle, he should take it as a motivation to try to earn more and not something depressing.

In this life, you only get the things you want, and will get more if you want more. It is possible to earn whatever salary you deserve if you work for it. People who are earning the minimum wage and even less, and are okay with what they earn will never earn more. If they want more and work to that target, they will get more. This is why people should always set high target for themselves in life, and never get too content with their position in life that they stop thriving to be better and do better.

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November 09, 2023, 01:09:24 PM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
Many people can talk about financial freedom in different ways. One person's perspective may be different but the main point remains the same is to have enough money. A man is financially independent if he has enough supply of money according to his wants and needs. Some people think that a person is financially independent if he is able to meet all his expenses normally after suddenly losing his ability to work. But in my case I need money with which I can do whatever I want within my limits. But I wouldn't say I need a lot of money to be financially independent. I am financially independent if I have enough money to cover my regular expenses.
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November 09, 2023, 05:43:39 PM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
Many people can talk about financial freedom in different ways. One person's perspective may be different but the main point remains the same is to have enough money. A man is financially independent if he has enough supply of money according to his wants and needs. Some people think that a person is financially independent if he is able to meet all his expenses normally after suddenly losing his ability to work. But in my case I need money with which I can do whatever I want within my limits. But I wouldn't say I need a lot of money to be financially independent. I am financially independent if I have enough money to cover my regular expenses.

it lies the fact that sometimes we have our own definition of this financial freedom concept. but imo, as long as you can cover your basic expenses plus a lil bit more, no debt, that's more than enough to say, you are financially stable or independent.
those people who are being consumed by luxury or material things, will soon find out real fast that they will be in deep debt from these financial companies. you don't need to jump on the bandwagon because of peer pressure or to be relevant with people around you. if you will live within your means without trying hard to impress anyone, you will feel more content with yourself.

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November 09, 2023, 06:18:34 PM
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I have actually went through every reply that you guys have made. They are some fascinating thoughts coming from you guys. This has been an interesting topic to discuss. Those who have join the discussion I thank every one of you. And I want to say something for some people who join the discussion. Don't only read the title, try to read the whole post before you come to a conclusion.

The topic was, is financial freedom equals to luxurious life or a life where you achieved certain amount of assets that you don't have to think about the future. Either way, thanks to everyone for their valuable time. I will continue to read new comments from people. So if you have other thoughts, be sure to let me know.
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November 09, 2023, 07:18:31 PM
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Sadly this is a real thing.... "I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today"! Some people see their salary on someone's breakfast bill. While some people have too much, others don't have for basics. Yeah, that's the world we are living in... and is there anything that can be done about that? Of course, the answer is no, nothing can be done about that... it's the system we are living in. Maybe some new generations with more awareness and self-awareness can change it, but for now, we are stuck in it. Damn money and what people are willing to do to have more money, that's why this world is getting crazier every day.
In life no one has it all, even those who can afford perfume worth the amount of your salary, their own salary too is the price of something which they cannot afford. What matter is that no matter the amount of money you may be earning one should be able to manage it and live life well from it. Everybody can not be equal when it comes to earning, and if you try to live above your income it can be a serious problem that one will be struggling to meet up with the necessary things that are important.

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November 09, 2023, 07:43:24 PM
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Sadly this is a real thing.... "I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today"! Some people see their salary on someone's breakfast bill. While some people have too much, others don't have for basics. Yeah, that's the world we are living in... and is there anything that can be done about that? Of course, the answer is no, nothing can be done about that... it's the system we are living in. Maybe some new generations with more awareness and self-awareness can change it, but for now, we are stuck in it. Damn money and what people are willing to do to have more money, that's why this world is getting crazier every day.
In life no one has it all, even those who can afford perfume worth the amount of your salary, their own salary too is the price of something which they cannot afford. What matter is that no matter the amount of money you may be earning one should be able to manage it and live life well from it. Everybody can not be equal when it comes to earning, and if you try to live above your income it can be a serious problem that one will be struggling to meet up with the necessary things that are important.
There are really things in life on which other people could afford and there are ones who cant. This is why there's really such that significant difference in between financial capacity which it would really be basing up
on their income source. This is why it would really be that normal that there would really be differences when it comes to purchasing power or capacity on which other people couldnt really be able to do so.
There are indeed salaries on which it would really be just that enough that they would really be able to buy things that they do want and there are ones who cant really just easily
buy things even if they do able to do so but rather they would really be putting up on something which is more worth on doing so. This is why it would really be that always better that you should really be that
mindful about on things ahead.

If you do find out that it would really be worth on investing into something rather than on buying shit things then it would be ideal but we know that there are indeed
people who do really want on buying things which would really be that according into their own liking.

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There are definitely things that are way costlier than the entire salary that you or I might earn throughout our lifetime so I don't think we should be so loud about it. We are not at all close to many things so it's better we should not be comparing ourselves with those materialistic things or price tags. We should be only counting on what we have, how much we can spend on our personal stuff on an everyday basis, and how we can make our families happy on various occasions, festivals etc. In conclusion, it's just the usual accounting we should be looking at. We got the salary, have our EMIs and cut-offs gone before the 5th day, have some savings, get the emergency funds out, and personal account differentiated.  Smiley
An expensive bottle of perfume, no thank you. Let us be the normal zone and just watch such videos for fun.
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I think we should know the worth of the perfume first before we can judge, like most people they believed they worked hard for the money and they want to spend it on themself just like spoiling themself and I don't see anything wrong there. If someone is complaining  of such thing I think the person should upgrade himself when it comes to financial matters and work rather than talking about a rich person buying a perfume worth the salary, to be honest this is the first time am hearing about this, in this modern world how can a perfume worth your salery despite the hard economy this is very wrong. But if anyone can buy a perfume worth someones salary i think we should call such a person rich, and talking about investment who knows cause most rich men are into investment. But in a situation when the person is not wealthy  i see no need spending much on perfume rather than investing the money. But the fact is if every one is satisfy and contented like meeting his needs I think that's financial freedom.

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In life no one has it all, even those who can afford perfume worth the amount of your salary, their own salary too is the price of something which they cannot afford. What matter is that no matter the amount of money you may be earning one should be able to manage it and live life well from it. Everybody can not be equal when it comes to earning, and if you try to live above your income it can be a serious problem that one will be struggling to meet up with the necessary things that are important.
   In life we have different caliber of people, we have the nobility, the elite, the upper class, the lower-middle class and finally the lower class. They are levels to what this people in each of the classes do, you can’t be in the lower class and be expected to live a life of a royalty. Even when you might feel threaten about the cost of some things and you see people who are capable getting it just remember that the end line of another man’s race is the start of another. The same amount you might think is too much for you to handle. Is the dally  spending of another. Theirs Is not point being intimidated by material things , this is where being contented comes because you ought to be contented with what you have.
     It is important to spend wisely,  so that being said you can’t be earning poor and then you just rush to get a perfume way expensive than you pay. That is not smart spending, even when it’s important to smell you still need to cut your coat according to your size.
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November 09, 2023, 11:07:59 PM
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

There's nothing wrong with buying luxury items, even if your salary is not that impressive. You can't say people who have huge investments and high incomes are the only ones who can buy luxury things, and it's not for low-income or low-investment people. Low-salary people who save their money and spend it all on buying their dream luxury watch, phone, or car—I can't see anything wrong with that. And I don't believe saving or investing money is the only way to have a great life because money is for spending too. Very rich people use local products, not branded ones. This behavior is their humbleness and down-to-earth category, but the poor buy luxury; it's their show-off and greedy behavior. Don't you see the irony here?

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Many people can talk about financial freedom in different ways. One person's perspective may be different but the main point remains the same is to have enough money. A man is financially independent if he has enough supply of money according to his wants and needs. Some people think that a person is financially independent if he is able to meet all his expenses normally after suddenly losing his ability to work. But in my case I need money with which I can do whatever I want within my limits. But I wouldn't say I need a lot of money to be financially independent. I am financially independent if I have enough money to cover my regular expenses.

People may have different opinions and views on what financial independence should be. But most people would agree that financial independence entails having enough money available to be able to comfortably cater for your wants and needs without having to worry about tomorrow.
For that to be possible, there should be more than one source of income coming in. You wouldn’t have to worry for a second if you don’t actively work anymore as there is still loads of money coming in from various sources. That’s being financially stable and independent. Not having to worry like the average man would about the inflation rate or unemployment rate as you’re not badly affected by either of them.
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I purchased a very expensive empty notebook today as a special gift.

Cost me over 30 usd. about 38 with shipping

I could have purchased a 2 dollar note book. but there is a 20 year back story as to why I purchased a note book for over 30 bucks.


https://www.shinola.com/large-hard-linen-grid-paper.html?


yeah it is costly but the back story goes to about 2001 and I don't mind spend 30 bucks on a good back story .

Would I spend $1000 USD on perfume no as I don't have any good back story for perfume.

My wife never like much perfume I could buy her a Longines watch for about 1000 as I do have a good back story about that.

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Financial independence basically means that a person can earn more and is financially stable. If there is money in the investment business field then surely the person will earn well in future and gain financial independence. So people who talk about this must be living a luxurious life because they are not short of money they are financially sound. There are many people who are employed but protest for it because of their low salary but they cannot raise money. For that if a person has money then if he invests then surely he can earn good from it in future and get financial freedom.

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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
Financial freedom that can last longer or until you're not capable to work already is much better. Thus I will choose the second option because it's not only about the present time, it's crucial that in the future you still have this freedom so you can live the way you wanted and not struggling. It doesn't matter if currently your salary's worth is small for others, it just that, they're fortunate to live comfortably and able to buy luxury items.

Thus, don't compare what you earn to others because as long as you're doing what you can and striving to achieve your goal then it is not impossible to have a financial freedom base on your own perspective.

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Financial freedom is when you are comfortable with the huge amount of money you achieved from your investment, and you are very happy without looking outside other people achievement because it will be possible for people to achieve the same income or have the same salary in the community, but different categories of earners in the community. And don't forget that nothing last forever because you can be doing well in your investment or your organization can decide to increase your salary
In a way you will begin to do things other people cannot do in the society, because level has changed in your salary. Never you go into competition with anybody because there are many ways people are  earning their money these days which can make you feel you are not in the right direction to your future base on what you have see around you.

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The topic was, is financial freedom equals to luxurious life or a life where you achieved certain amount of assets that you don't have to think about the future. Either way, thanks to everyone for their valuable time. I will continue to read new comments from people. So if you have other thoughts, be sure to let me know.
Of course, financial freedom is synonymous with rich people who live luxuriously with luxurious houses and luxury vehicles. Indeed, everyone has the desire to live like this without having to think about the next day. But you need to remember that someone who has achieved financial freedom must have done hard work and smart work. Of course, there are many ways to achieve financial freedom
- financial sources (cash flow) or income are of course more than one source of income that we create
- minimalist lifestyle or frugal lifestyle, buying things only according to one's needs or according to their function.
- Investments in various types such as shares, bonds, crypto. Buy an investment that has potential in the future.


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I mean, it's not entirely unheard of for some perfumes to sell for triple dollar digits!

But then if we are looking at that, we also have to consider that because of activists' most hated process "globalization", wages in developing countries around the world have been flattened according to the national currency, so no they are not getting paid by the dollar.
I would guess that the workers are still not making a lot, "boss made a dollar I made a dime" is still a chant all around the world, while the boss takes the yacht to an ocean vacation, he still denies to pay you on time and rejects paying overtime as much as possible while making the workers slave away. That's why I think this perfume, or any other branding related thing, still gets any attention.

The guy who makes the iphone makes the least amount of money, he is at china, working at the machinery, making a dime, the guy who owns the factory, or at least the boss there, makes a dime more, and then the logistic guys make a dime more because of shipment, and then the worker at apple makes a dime more, but then Tim cook makes a dollar more, and the share holder makes couple grands more. Everyone did something, the only one who did nothing about the creation of it, the shareholder, made the most money. That's the biggest trouble in finance right now.

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The reality is that we need to live within our means, but we should also strive to improve our standard of living and save some of our income for further investment. If I want to buy expensive things, then my income will not be enough for it, so for me this would be rash actions that will not bring me anything good.

As a result, I strive not to be able to buy perfume with the cost of my monthly salary, but to be able to achieve financial independence, when I could not work, but at the same time my passive income would be enough to to cover all my needs. Our values determine what we will do and what we will achieve in the end.
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Many people can talk about financial freedom in different ways. One person's perspective may be different but the main point remains the same is to have enough money. A man is financially independent if he has enough supply of money according to his wants and needs. Some people think that a person is financially independent if he is able to meet all his expenses normally after suddenly losing his ability to work. But in my case I need money with which I can do whatever I want within my limits. But I wouldn't say I need a lot of money to be financially independent. I am financially independent if I have enough money to cover my regular expenses.

People may have different opinions and views on what financial independence should be. But most people would agree that financial independence entails having enough money available to be able to comfortably cater for your wants and needs without having to worry about tomorrow.
For that to be possible, there should be more than one source of income coming in. You wouldn’t have to worry for a second if you don’t actively work anymore as there is still loads of money coming in from various sources. That’s being financially stable and independent. Not having to worry like the average man would about the inflation rate or unemployment rate as you’re not badly affected by either of them.

Yes, exactly. Everyone's interpretation of financial freedom will definitely be different. Many of those who have expensive items must have thought carefully about it even though they bought perfume at an expensive price. Most people like that are billionaires, they also sometimes buy other luxury goods such as watches, cars but they are investing large amounts because they believe the investment will be successful and get big profits from the investment. They think ahead.

However, there are also people who say financial freedom has a different meaning, time is a luxury. not everyone has a lot of free time for themselves. So, if you achieve financial freedom, you will be free from earning money. So it is very important to have the concept that money will bring other money. Apart from frugal living, what must be improved is passive income

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Yes, exactly. Everyone's interpretation of financial freedom will definitely be different. Many of those who have expensive items must have thought carefully about it even though they bought perfume at an expensive price. Most people like that are billionaires, they also sometimes buy other luxury goods such as watches, cars but they are investing large amounts because they believe the investment will be successful and get big profits from the investment. They think ahead.

However, there are also people who say financial freedom has a different meaning, time is a luxury. not everyone has a lot of free time for themselves. So, if you achieve financial freedom, you will be free from earning money. So it is very important to have the concept that money will bring other money. Apart from frugal living, what must be improved is passive income

Luxury goods are there to distinguish the rich and wealthy from the middle and lower class and only the rich and wealthy are able to afford such products without having to worry about the price being a problem. Wealthy people have investments that continuously bring in income. Without investments that would bring in steady revenue, someone cannot be truly wealthy.

They say time is luxury. I say for some and for others, to an extent. We all know the clock is continuing ticking, waiting for no one. A Prisoner, having been incarcerated have had their time and freedom cut short as a form of punishment. They’ve got all the time but most wouldn’t consider that to be a luxury. Lots of people have a lot of time and energy and are still not being productive.
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

There's nothing wrong with buying luxury items, even if your salary is not that impressive. You can't say people who have huge investments and high incomes are the only ones who can buy luxury things, and it's not for low-income or low-investment people. Low-salary people who save their money and spend it all on buying their dream luxury watch, phone, or car—I can't see anything wrong with that. And I don't believe saving or investing money is the only way to have a great life because money is for spending too. Very rich people use local products, not branded ones. This behavior is their humbleness and down-to-earth category, but the poor buy luxury; it's their show-off and greedy behavior. Don't you see the irony here?
IMO money spent on luxurious should be used to acquire treasures/assets and building evolutional technologies. I rather spend money leaving a sand of time, so that my name can be heard even after i am gone. Some persons will say rich and wealthy but there is no limit to the amount of money that can be made and if one feels like he has made enough money then he can invest in building a life time foundation.

For instance Bill gate, Elon Musk and Mack are good persona example. They are all billionaires but they dont stop at what they do.

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To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

Disagree in case that people buying luxury items is real rich that can afford that kind of luxury items. They have the right to spend their money on their own way because that what really financial freedom. That’s how some people makes themselves happy using their money and we don’t have any say to that because we have different preferences in life.

If you are buying luxury item because you want it and you can financially then I don’t see any problem on it. I believe the only problem here is how other people being envy and not the person buying luxury item with their own money.

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November 10, 2023, 05:24:40 PM
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Well, it depends on the person. I'm not surprised that someone could spend a fortune on a perfume; I've seen some really expensive ones at airport duty-free stores, so if they're selling them, there's certainly a market for them. Just because I wouldn't spend such an amount of money doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. Mostly for the same reason, people spend excessive amounts on technology items, such as smartphones, laptops that aren't used for the purpose they were made for, smartwatches, and the list goes on forever.

Personally, I'm not fond of luxurious or expensive items, nor does expensive necessarily mean luxurious. I can live without buying a Rolex, the newest iPhone or MacBook, and so on. I prefer living a more modest life. I'd define financial freedom as the ability to not worry about making ends meet, being able to afford a vacation, or buying a new washing machine because the previous one suddenly broke down. It doesn't necessarily have to be a vacation at an extravagant hotel or top-of-the line appliance. The keyword here is "ability" or being able to go forward doing things you desire without too much consideration about money.

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November 10, 2023, 06:20:25 PM
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The reality is that we need to live within our means, but we should also strive to improve our standard of living and save some of our income for further investment. If I want to buy expensive things, then my income will not be enough for it, so for me this would be rash actions that will not bring me anything good.

As a result, I strive not to be able to buy perfume with the cost of my monthly salary, but to be able to achieve financial independence, when I could not work, but at the same time my passive income would be enough to to cover all my needs. Our values determine what we will do and what we will achieve in the end.
This is related to prestige, I believe those who do that (buy perfume at a fantastic price) are because of their prestige and environmental factors also influence, yes even though financially they are able to do it.
But for myself I would prioritize function over prestige. Because if we are mostly prestige I believe at some point we will experience something sad.
I would rather invest than make purchases that are functionally the same as cheaper items. Indeed, there are many people now who prioritize prestige, even though they are financially unfit to do so.

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If I see my salary on a perfume bottle, I will not be so worried because there are different kinds of perfumes, different levels from the regular fragrances to the more exotic ones. From the record there are perfumes even costing up to $7,700 (Amaffi Power for women), and I am sure that many of us here in our various countries do not earn up to that amount. So it means that there are many people whose salary equals a bottle of perfume somewhere, the only thing is that they have never come across it.

See 12 of the worlds most expensive perfumes and their prices ==> https://www.townandcountrymag.com/style/beauty-products/g32747256/most-expensive-perfumes/

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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person?
When you get to a stage where you can blow big bills on yourself then you deserve it as its your money, secondly you don't want society to dictate how one should live.
besides don't believe everything you see on social media, some of it is fake and some of it subscribers pay for it via courses promising you to be taught how to be rich.

So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
If such content makes you feel bad about yourself, if I were you I would stop watching them for the sake of my mental health!!

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

Honestly Financial muscle is some kind of financial freedom if we go by definition, besides what's financial freedom when you have to work hard to get paid $$$$, tbh whoever coined this word should have meant freedom from the government and its bureaucracy

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There's nothing wrong with buying luxury items, even if your salary is not that impressive. You can't say people who have huge investments and high incomes are the only ones who can buy luxury things, and it's not for low-income or low-investment people. Low-salary people who save their money and spend it all on buying their dream luxury watch, phone, or car—I can't see anything wrong with that. And I don't believe saving or investing money is the only way to have a great life because money is for spending too. Very rich people use local products, not branded ones. This behavior is their humbleness and down-to-earth category, but the poor buy luxury; it's their show-off and greedy behavior. Don't you see the irony here?
There is nothing wrong with people buying luxurious things. But only when you dig deeper, you see the bigger picture. An average bottle of perfume could cost $2 to $3. And if you want a fancy one you can go for something that costs $5 to $10. How much do you think those perfume production is? And what's the difference between a regular average perfume and a luxurious perfume? There is a bit of difference in cost and materials for the making. But when you sum it up the difference is not that huge. That does not sell the product instead they sell the brand.

Money is for spending, I get your point. But money is also the thing that makes more money. It is the rich people who brainwash middle class or poor people to pursue luxurious thing. In business someone else's loss is someone's profit. Where do you think those rich people get their money? Do they print it? Of course not. They get it from people by brainwashing them into thinking they should pursue a luxurious life and buy luxurious thing to be more like rich people. And rich people are not stupid to show humbleness or down to earth something like that. Instead of using that money for luxurious thing, they put that money into investment in order to make it more.

I don't know from where you got that idea. Be sure to dig deeper next time. You will get to see the bigger picture.
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November 10, 2023, 08:06:04 PM
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To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

Disagree in case that people buying luxury items is real rich that can afford that kind of luxury items. They have the right to spend their money on their own way because that what really financial freedom. That’s how some people makes themselves happy using their money and we don’t have any say to that because we have different preferences in life.

If you are buying luxury item because you want it and you can financially then I don’t see any problem on it. I believe the only problem here is how other people being envy and not the person buying luxury item with their own money.
As long as their salary or wealth can afford things then let them be. Seeing your salary to something’s price shouldn’t be a bad thing but it is okay to feel insecure. What would matter is your next action; will you just belittle yourself of work harder in order to be or to have ‘more’ than what you have at this point. We always have choices. Never dictate someone on how should they spend their money. They basically can buy luxurious things simply because they have the money to do so; they worked hard for it. We just got used with our own setting; buying a perfume below hundred bucks but it will never be the standard. We all have circumstances and differences with financial capacity. Either you accept and just live through it or create better changes for yourself.

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November 10, 2023, 10:20:53 PM
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Theres gigantic inequality I would not be surprised at all.  To some extent this isnt not a new modern world occurrence, think of the ancient spices and alot of them were exotic perfumes imported from lands months away when the world was much bigger and travel slower.  Yet some people could afford the giant luxuries and justify this trade, it didnt turn out negatively as we still remember the silk road being so much of the old world trade its legendary.
  The margins on this product are beyond 99% I think.  I was listening to the prices behind coke and I thought they made alot more then they do its only like 12% and the retailer makes more then the maker themselves.  Makeup and perfume is very high margin, watch all the adverts they put out in peak season year end its not a coincidence.

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IMO money spent on luxurious should be used to acquire treasures/assets and building evolutional technologies. I rather spend money leaving a sand of time, so that my name can be heard even after i am gone. Some persons will say rich and wealthy but there is no limit to the amount of money that can be made and if one feels like he has made enough money then he can invest in building a life time foundation.

For instance Bill gate, Elon Musk and Mack are good persona example. They are all billionaires but they dont stop at what they do.

The three people you mentioned are very good examples to look at, although everyone also needs to look at what family they come from, because almost everyone in this world already knows that the three of them have worked and made quite good progress in their lives. The technology they have and have developed in the current era is also quite useful so it is worth looking at them as an example of how to get rich even though each person's abilities are always different in any case.

Using money to buy luxury items that can be used as assets in real life is also not wrong, because these items can also become valuable items in the future if they can be looked after well enough. However, this may be very difficult for those who are still poor because luxury goods that can be used as assets for the future are more sought after by rich people who generally have more money on their hands. So they can easily place money on the luxury items they want and can consider them as a personal collection.

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To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

Disagree in case that people buying luxury items is real rich that can afford that kind of luxury items. They have the right to spend their money on their own way because that what really financial freedom. That’s how some people makes themselves happy using their money and we don’t have any say to that because we have different preferences in life.

If you are buying luxury item because you want it and you can financially then I don’t see any problem on it. I believe the only problem here is how other people being envy and not the person buying luxury item with their own money.
As long as their salary or wealth can afford things then let them be. Seeing your salary to something’s price shouldn’t be a bad thing but it is okay to feel insecure. What would matter is your next action; will you just belittle yourself of work harder in order to be or to have ‘more’ than what you have at this point. We always have choices. Never dictate someone on how should they spend their money. They basically can buy luxurious things simply because they have the money to do so; they worked hard for it. We just got used with our own setting; buying a perfume below hundred bucks but it will never be the standard. We all have circumstances and differences with financial capacity. Either you accept and just live through it or create better changes for yourself.
I agree. All of us has our own wants that will make us happy if we achieve to buy or to experience it in our life. We can't judge other person if they are enjoying things that are luxurious given that it may be their source of happiness in their life. Things like luxury can push other people to strive and be better to achieve it, I myself has switched different hobbies and some of those hobbies really cost a lot. It really motivates me to be better because I want it for myself even it's not practical, it makes me happy. I don't care what other person thinks of me, what is important is it makes me happy.

What do you think why do we want to have a financial freedom? To be stable and to be happy, being happy is subjective from person to person.
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Many people can talk about financial freedom in different ways. One person's perspective may be different but the main point remains the same is to have enough money. A man is financially independent if he has enough supply of money according to his wants and needs. Some people think that a person is financially independent if he is able to meet all his expenses normally after suddenly losing his ability to work. But in my case I need money with which I can do whatever I want within my limits. But I wouldn't say I need a lot of money to be financially independent. I am financially independent if I have enough money to cover my regular expenses.

Financial stability, freedom, or independence can come from someone who has a reliable source of income that regularly generates money to settle all needs at any time. It is possible for one to meet all their needs at that very moment, but when they don't have a consistent source of income, there is no way they can be financially stable. Now that the economy is bad in some countries, to be able to escape poverty, you don't only rely on one income source because that can satisfy all your needs. Like the OP was speaking of seeing someone's salary as a price tag for a perfume, if the individual has other sources of income than the one they have, then they can afford the perfume. That's if it's really necessary for them to buy very expensive secondary things when they know that they are not very rich.

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November 11, 2023, 07:04:48 AM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?


To me financial freedom doesn't mean to have a fixed amount of money so that I never have to work in my life. Because that kind of money is way too much and not realistic to achieve in my current situation. Financial freedom rather means to have a comfortable life today and not to worry too much about the economic future. For that it's all about having an investment portfolio that generates enough returns in the future to take money out. My first goal is still to have a decent job that pays for all my living expenses and my second goal is to have large enough savings and investing to cover any extras I might want and need in life. This doesn't include luxury perfume or clothes, I don't find that lifestyle attractive and would never spend so much money on these things. Even if I would win the lottery tomorrow I would change my spending habits so much.
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November 11, 2023, 09:39:28 PM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?


To me financial freedom doesn't mean to have a fixed amount of money so that I never have to work in my life. Because that kind of money is way too much and not realistic to achieve in my current situation. Financial freedom rather means to have a comfortable life today and not to worry too much about the economic future. For that it's all about having an investment portfolio that generates enough returns in the future to take money out. My first goal is still to have a decent job that pays for all my living expenses and my second goal is to have large enough savings and investing to cover any extras I might want and need in life. This doesn't include luxury perfume or clothes, I don't find that lifestyle attractive and would never spend so much money on these things. Even if I would win the lottery tomorrow I would change my spending habits so much.
Besides the only thing those luxury items do is to delay or even eliminate the possibility of an early retirement for most people, as the number of people which can earn enough money to afford those luxuries is very limited, while the rest that buy those products are trying to experiment a lifestyle for which they do not really have the funds to truly experiment, however at the end of the day each person decides what to do with their money, even if from our perspective they are making a mistake.
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November 11, 2023, 10:21:35 PM
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The general definition of financial freedom is affordability to live the lifestyle that you wish for, so it's obvious that the more you earn the higher your lifestyle can become. Just remove the elite class from the discussion who can buy whatever they want and the price tag doesn't matter to them which is even beyond the top 1% apart from that everyone wants to spend on something that is worth the money and itself varies depending on their income generating stability.

my underline quote will be if you buy that an expensive bottle because you want it and can afford it then its financial freedom but you are buying it but you don't really wish to use it then its lifestyle inflation which is created purely from the peer pressure created by brands.









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The general definition of financial freedom is affordability to live the lifestyle that you wish for, so it's obvious that the more you earn the higher your lifestyle can become. Just remove the elite class from the discussion who can buy whatever they want and the price tag doesn't matter to them which is even beyond the top 1% apart from that everyone wants to spend on something that is worth the money and itself varies depending on their income generating stability.

my underline quote will be if you buy that an expensive bottle because you want it and can afford it then its financial freedom but you are buying it but you don't really wish to use it then its lifestyle inflation which is created purely from the peer pressure created by brands.

And the scenario presented by the OP is that the price of that bottle of perfume costs the same as the salary of that person.
So do you really think it is just to buy such perfume and suffer your other expenses?
You are delusional if you are just following the hype around you, why buying such expensive bottle for the mere reason of being relevant.
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The general definition of financial freedom is affordability to live the lifestyle that you wish for, so it's obvious that the more you earn the higher your lifestyle can become. Just remove the elite class from the discussion who can buy whatever they want and the price tag doesn't matter to them which is even beyond the top 1% apart from that everyone wants to spend on something that is worth the money and itself varies depending on their income generating stability.

my underline quote will be if you buy that an expensive bottle because you want it and can afford it then its financial freedom but you are buying it but you don't really wish to use it then its lifestyle inflation which is created purely from the peer pressure created by brands.

And the scenario presented by the OP is that the price of that bottle of perfume costs the same as the salary of that person.
So do you really think it is just to buy such perfume and suffer your other expenses?
You are delusional if you are just following the hype around you, why buying such expensive bottle for the mere reason of being relevant.
We have our different basic salary based in our work experiences and position, As presented the value of perfume of that person is OP's salary amount. We didn't know how much that person earn in a monthly basis and we didn't know what did that person do for a living, what if He/she can afford to buy expensive perfume without compromising other expenses? For me, It's better to see that as an inspiration and one of a goal, so that I'll work hard and I'll invest in my skills and knowledge so I can earn more and be financially successful.



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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."
It's kind of funny but also sad at the same time. Where have we come today? There are people trying to live a normal life with what little amount they earn. And there are people using the same amount of money just to smell good.

This life you are seeing right, it's where you wealth end that another person own rose. What he said might be ridiculous but he said what he said and there is nothing absolutely wrong in it. You might see your salary on another person perfume but if you check that same person, his networth night be what another person use to buy or rent a house. That is how life is, hands are not equal and will never be, it's not even about the luxurious life, we can't be financially equal in this life. Bezoz was once a billionaire but today Elon Musk surpassed that amount.


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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.

[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

There is a financial freedom and been wealthy as fuck. I see this post as a normal motivational speech I use to hear from people trying to impress people about on how to achieve a financial goals only to end up selling you books they wrote to sell for people.

You can invest today in hope to have more money in the future but then unexpectedly you hit something more than you expect, there is no way that your life will remain the same. Everything about you will be extraordinary even the way you talk will change because money brings out the real kind of person you are, have more money and see if you will stop at financial freedom or leave more to life.

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November 12, 2023, 11:55:51 AM
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The general definition of financial freedom is affordability to live the lifestyle that you wish for, so it's obvious that the more you earn the higher your lifestyle can become. Just remove the elite class from the discussion who can buy whatever they want and the price tag doesn't matter to them which is even beyond the top 1% apart from that everyone wants to spend on something that is worth the money and itself varies depending on their income generating stability.

my underline quote will be if you buy that an expensive bottle because you want it and can afford it then its financial freedom but you are buying it but you don't really wish to use it then its lifestyle inflation which is created purely from the peer pressure created by brands.

And the scenario presented by the OP is that the price of that bottle of perfume costs the same as the salary of that person.
So do you really think it is just to buy such perfume and suffer your other expenses?
You are delusional if you are just following the hype around you, why buying such expensive bottle for the mere reason of being relevant.

The thing is there are some people who are already born rich and their lifestyle is to buy things that don't need to think about their price. And there are people who are wanna be rich just to look cool from others' judgment despite struggling with their financial status. You can literally afford that expensive perfume since it is the same value as your income, but if you think of your essential needs, bills, etc. do you think it's wise to buy an expensive perfume for the reason that you can afford it? Of course not, that's why I agree that you don't need to join the hype or copy someone's lifestyle that isn't even applicable to an average person's financial status. People's desires and wants are easy to attain almost everything in this world is anyone's dream, so it's better to think of your funds cause money can be spent easily.

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November 12, 2023, 01:19:05 PM
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The thing is there are some people who are already born rich and their lifestyle is to buy things that don't need to think about their price. And there are people who are wanna be rich just to look cool from others' judgment despite struggling with their financial status. You can literally afford that expensive perfume since it is the same value as your income, but if you think of your essential needs, bills, etc. do you think it's wise to buy an expensive perfume for the reason that you can afford it? Of course not, that's why I agree that you don't need to join the hype or copy someone's lifestyle that isn't even applicable to an average person's financial status. People's desires and wants are easy to attain almost everything in this world is anyone's dream, so it's better to think of your funds cause money can be spent easily.
Some people buy things without thinking about the price, it is certain that these people have achieved financial freedom and also for some people who want to look rich but they have an income that is only enough for the needs they need, it is certain that they will have difficulty in making ends meet. their needs because a lot of their income is spent on things they don't really need.

I agree with what you say, we don't have to imitate other people's lifestyles, we just need to do what feels comfortable for us. We don't have to force ourselves to follow other people if it doesn't have any benefits for us.
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we don't have to imitate other people's lifestyles, we just need to do what feels comfortable for us. We don't have to force ourselves to follow other people if it doesn't have any benefits for us.

What is the standard of living of a person who lives perfectly here, if he wants to live a better life then it is natural that he will spend more in life than others. Now if you want to live a very luxurious life then a bottle of water but you may have to spend a lot it totally depends on your living arrangements. Again it turns out that if you live in a city where the standard of living is so high then you will never be able to live well with little or few money.

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[Just for context, I am not talking about holding money. I am talking about investments that could give me passive income that will continue to come in the future and give me financial freedom. As long as I can survive with that amount of money and not worry about the future, then it is financial freedom to me.]

In order to have financial freedom, one needs to invest in something that could give him a huge return after some years. This can be investment in bitcoin, Gold, Stock, Real Estate or anything else of good value but the question still remains where do we get that extra money to invest in them?

As per your example, the perfumes were so expensive that a certain person wouldn't be able to afford them. So how can such a person who lives hand to mouth, will be able to invest in bitcoin or gold in order to have financial freedom? He can't unless he does not have ways to earn more money.

So, it is only that rich people can invest more and hence they will get better financial freedom. A normal person first may not have the capital to invest and even if he saves some money for investments, the return on small investment may not be that high that it can give financial freedom to him.

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Thats why the quote is right, "rich get richer, the poor get poorer" because they don't have capital to invest, start a business, etc.
you are right that first we need to earn enough money that will give us big returns on investment, or enough money to start a small business which have high chances to grow and future.
some lucky people are able to get high returns or gain financial freedom because there are very less opportunity like bitcoin in early stage, people who invested early were lucky to gain high returns.
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Thats why the quote is right, "rich get richer, the poor get poorer" because they don't have capital to invest, start a business, etc.
you are right that first we need to earn enough money that will give us big returns on investment, or enough money to start a small business which have high chances to grow and future.
some lucky people are able to get high returns or gain financial freedom because there are very less opportunity like bitcoin in early stage, people who invested early were lucky to gain high returns.
Riches get richer because they have a constant flux of income dropping on their pockets every month, which is pretty enough to cover their expenses (which are already high) and to invest the surplus, at same time. Meanwhile, the miserables have only income to cover their basic expenses, being very attentive to make sure that money is going to last till the end of the month, and nothing else as surplus to invest or make plans for the future.

The tools each category of citizen have are different and determining for the future of each of them. While riches have powerful, automatic and technological tools under their disposal, the poors have only archaic tools from the ancient times. Of course, the results each of them will achieve are completely different after all, with very few exceptions.

What happens is that the media tries to sell these few exceptions as the rule, deceiving the masses to believe they will also achieve the same success if they follow a series of steps introduced by virtual coaches and economists. It has been a profitable business to lure and deceive people into believing easy and overnight wealthy. The truth they hide is that there are many other factors involved on the process.

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November 12, 2023, 10:36:12 PM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

It is good to live contentedly and have our expenses commensurate with our income, regardless of its size. At the same time, there is no harm in aspiring for the best in terms of luxury and extravagance.
Following the same example that you mentioned, you can buy a sandwich daily for 5 or 7 dollars, while this represents two months’ salary for a citizen in another country. This same person can travel to your country and collect enough money to become one of the richest people in his country with the same amount of money as he lives a normal life in your country. It is an equation that is subject to many criteria and can be studied from more than one side.
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As per your example, the perfumes were so expensive that a certain person wouldn't be able to afford them. So how can such a person who lives hand to mouth, will be able to invest in bitcoin or gold in order to have financial freedom? He can't unless he does not have ways to earn more money.
It's very difficult for someone who doesn't have wealth as an inheritance to make enough money that they can use for investments that can give them and their family and children a financially safe future. For those who are lucky, their parents or grandparents must have made their empires and now they will inherit that and enjoy the life and the luxuries of it, but those who are deprived of that will have to struggle in their life to earn a bright future.

So, it is only that rich people can invest more and hence they will get better financial freedom. A normal person first may not have the capital to invest and even if he saves some money for investments, the return on small investment may not be that high that it can give financial freedom to him.
Well, for someone who doesn't earn a lot of money, it's difficult to have savings that they can use for investments, because they will have to keep some money that they can use if there is an emergency because it's life, and anything can happen at any given time, and if you don't have any money when you face an emergency, it becomes a problem as you will have to ask your friends, family members, and relatives to lend you some money for the situation.

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This doesn’t make any sense. There are basic products which we use every day that have a price ranging from $1 to $100k. A bottle of perfume is a good example. You can eat fish at home and pay $5 or you can sit in a fancy restaurant and pay $50 for a plate. Every service, every product has a price tag. The latest iphone costs what? $1500? That’s almost quadruple the minimum wage in my country.

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This doesn’t make any sense. There are basic products which we use every day that have a price ranging from $1 to $100k. A bottle of perfume is a good example. You can eat fish at home and pay $5 or you can sit in a fancy restaurant and pay $50 for a plate. Every service, every product has a price tag. The latest iphone costs what? $1500? That’s almost quadruple the minimum wage in my country.

Which point does not make sense? I see that every example of the product you mentioned has its own price tag which has been adjusted to suit everyone's needs. And if you don't need an iPhone because it costs that much, you're better off forgetting about the iPhone and buying fish to eat at your own home if that's what you basically need. So there is nothing unreasonable in this world because all products that have a price tag are based on all the costs and benefits contained therein.

Because if you keep comparing the price of an iPhone with the minimum wage in your country and a bottle of perfume with a meal at a fancy restaurant, I think your problems will never end because there are many things that actually don't need to be compared if the features and uses are not the same. So it would be quite reasonable if everyone only needs to look at the things that are currently needed without having to make comparisons that are basically not of the same use.

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This doesn’t make any sense. There are basic products which we use every day that have a price ranging from $1 to $100k. A bottle of perfume is a good example. You can eat fish at home and pay $5 or you can sit in a fancy restaurant and pay $50 for a plate. Every service, every product has a price tag. The latest iphone costs what? $1500? That’s almost quadruple the minimum wage in my country.

Which point does not make sense? I see that every example of the product you mentioned has its own price tag which has been adjusted to suit everyone's needs. And if you don't need an iPhone because it costs that much, you're better off forgetting about the iPhone and buying fish to eat at your own home if that's what you basically need. So there is nothing unreasonable in this world because all products that have a price tag are based on all the costs and benefits contained therein.

Because if you keep comparing the price of an iPhone with the minimum wage in your country and a bottle of perfume with a meal at a fancy restaurant, I think your problems will never end because there are many things that actually don't need to be compared if the features and uses are not the same. So it would be quite reasonable if everyone only needs to look at the things that are currently needed without having to make comparisons that are basically not of the same use.

I am saying that you can find any product for any price if you look for it. Why would I care if an expensive bottle of perfume costs more than my salary? I have a choice to ignore this product. Not everyone has to drive a Lambo. Do we get mad because Lambos cost half a million USD? (Which is way more than what many people have in their life savings) Just buy another car. The point that of owning a car to carry yourself from “point A” to “point B”. The purpose of buying a perfume is to smell good. I am pretty sure there are other products that smell just as good but not as expensive.

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This doesn’t make any sense. There are basic products which we use every day that have a price ranging from $1 to $100k. A bottle of perfume is a good example. You can eat fish at home and pay $5 or you can sit in a fancy restaurant and pay $50 for a plate. Every service, every product has a price tag. The latest iphone costs what? $1500? That’s almost quadruple the minimum wage in my country.

Most of us save and live frugally, the aim is not to have an emergency fund, not to use it as business capital or as initial capital for investing with the aim of increasing our income. However, most of us save with the aim of being able to buy what we want, so we can visit the places we dream of. They don't realize that by doing this, their finances will run out instantly. And people like this will live the same cycle of life, where when their savings run out they will save again so they can buy what they want and visit the places they dream of.

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November 13, 2023, 12:20:38 PM
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That's sad, to be honest. Recently, I was scrolling through YouTube and saw a video of Ruhi Çenet who was in an African Country Burundi. He was showing how hard life is there. People there work a whole month and earn 30000 Burundian franc which is around $15/month. Can you imagine? A fish cost 40000 Burundian francs. Most of the people never visited any hospital. Unemployment everywhere.

Most of the families cannot afford to educate their children. Relatively poor people eat potatoes and bread. Now, if I compare my life to theirs, I think I should not be sad because I don't make a couple of thousand dollars a month. At least I am happy with what I earn per month and I can still save money for the future.

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November 13, 2023, 12:41:40 PM
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This doesn’t make any sense. There are basic products which we use every day that have a price ranging from $1 to $100k. A bottle of perfume is a good example. You can eat fish at home and pay $5 or you can sit in a fancy restaurant and pay $50 for a plate. Every service, every product has a price tag. The latest iphone costs what? $1500? That’s almost quadruple the minimum wage in my country.
Pricing is a matter of cost in labor and sometimes for most luxurious products, subjective opinion of the manufacturer. Now I get that the second part might not be true entirely given that there's really some luxurious products that are expensive due to cost of production and the specialty in labor but I have to tell you that there are some luxurious products out there that are a total bullshit in terms of being priced at, for example is the luxury bags and expensive shoes, I don't believe that they're built how they're advertised to be built, I think they're built by just high-end sweatshops especially the luxury shoes. It's also our fault as a consumer, we blindly consume stuff and so we enable them in a way from producing more shit we don't need but they advertise that we need.
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Funny, now lets talk about things that smell bad, for example some people bought sh!* in a can for thousands of dollars, on top of that there are toilet seats made of gold in some houses, so they literally take a dump and a leak on pure gold every time they go to the bathroom.

There is also the story about a tycoon named Korah, in ancient times he lived during the times of Moses the prophet, he was the richest man in the history of mankind even to this date, imagine a truck (or 70 adult camels carrying the keys) filled with only keys to his safes/vaults. I'd suggest to read his story, very educative.😉

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imo, as long as you can cover your basic expenses plus a lil bit more, no debt, that's more than enough to say, you are financially stable or independent.
Financial stability and financial independence or freedom are two different things. When you are financially stable, it means that you have enough money to take care of the everyday needs of your household and maybe have some cash available at all times just in case you need money for something so that you don't need to ask someone else for money. You can cover everything independently because you are financially stable and have enough money for now.

Financial independence or financial freedom means to have enough wealth to do whatever you want in your life, without even worrying about working or doing anything because you already have businesses running and there is more money flowing in than being spent, you are not required to think twice before doing something that involves finances because you know you have enough for everything.

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November 13, 2023, 02:34:25 PM
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Different people has many meanings to what financial freedom is all about, with such understanding of theirs, it will be difficult for anyone to convince them to believe in what they don understand, they way you see this life, will not be the way I see it, before you say you are financially free, you should be okay with what you have, but that doesn't mean that you have got financial freedom, to my own understanding, financial freedom is a state where individual can afford to get whatever comfort or things he or she wants without asking anyone for it, you can afford to get whatever you desire, if you are not in this, consider yourself as someone who is not financially free.

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November 13, 2023, 03:31:58 PM
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I know it is meant to be a joke but there is a philosophical meaning to it and it is be humble. Whatever you have, someone already has got it. Your salary or income may be on someone's wrist as a Patek, or on someone's neck as a gold chain. Just be humble. On the other hand and not meaning to sound contradictory, that is not his salary though because if you calculate how much he earns per annum, it is more that whatever the price tag is on the bottle of perfume.

Finally, I believe that financial freedom without peace of mind  is not truly financial freedom. It is a combination of mental and financial well being.


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November 13, 2023, 04:10:23 PM
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Thats why the quote is right, "rich get richer, the poor get poorer" because they don't have capital to invest, start a business, etc.
you are right that first we need to earn enough money that will give us big returns on investment, or enough money to start a small business which have high chances to grow and future.
some lucky people are able to get high returns or gain financial freedom because there are very less opportunity like bitcoin in early stage, people who invested early were lucky to gain high returns.
This isn't always the case with all poor people, many of them have the capital but because they are not rich they get so attached to the little they have, and telling such people to invest is like telling them to go back been broke again.

They only know hard work but they don't know about smart money, they aren't trained to take risks they are trained to work very hard all the days of their lives, this is why they have the wrong perspective about making money and getting rich.

This is also why the rich don't like helping the poor at times, because they see the poor as the most greedy people over all, they believe they aren't prepare to risk their money but they can go to the rich seeking for help, where as these rich people risked it all.
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November 14, 2023, 01:00:51 PM
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Such phenomenon is very normal, what some people earn in a day, some people take a month to earn. There are so many perfumes in the market that we have to work hard for a month to buy them. New series of iPhones are launching in the market and many people are buying those iphones at very high prices but you have seen how many common people are using such expensive brand phones like iphones. The cost depends on the income of the person. The perfume you saw might cost a lot and it would cost you a month's salary to buy that perfume but there are many people who don't think twice to buy such perfumes so we have to assume that those people have enough financial support. I think we don't need to worry about these things because we are fine in the position we are in and we should have our needs from that position.

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November 14, 2023, 01:26:25 PM
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Lol, don't take it personal bro that's life for you. The class difference is real. while some persons can buy several of that perfume worth your salary or even higher others can not even afford to buy the cheapest of it because it will deep a whole in their pocket.
The gap between the rich and the poor is very wide and you just have to either work hard or smart to fill in that gap. Some people will consider buying expensive perfumes or such similar items extravagant spending but the truth is when you are in a position where you can afford to buy literally anything you will definitely have a difference in opinion.

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November 15, 2023, 04:32:44 PM
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Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.



There are people of all categories in the world, some have more wealth, some have less and some have very little. There are many rich people whose daily necessities cost more than our monthly expenses. You can build many houses with the amount of money they have for a car. If we look at expensive things and the lifestyle of rich people in this way, we will find our life very difficult. For people who have a very good financial position, using such things is a normal thing.

Therefore, to live your life peacefully, you should never pay attention to these things, yes, if you can change your lifestyle, then work hard for it.Something may be of little importance to you but of great importance to someone else. We all have the desire to use luxurious things but we use such things after looking at our financial position. However, he is always successful who has learned the art of life in every situation.

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November 15, 2023, 05:40:33 PM
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Thats why the quote is right, "rich get richer, the poor get poorer" because they don't have capital to invest, start a business, etc.
you are right that first we need to earn enough money that will give us big returns on investment, or enough money to start a small business which have high chances to grow and future.
some lucky people are able to get high returns or gain financial freedom because there are very less opportunity like bitcoin in early stage, people who invested early were lucky to gain high returns.
In my opinion ,poor are because of their mind of poor people. Poor people  waste their money in useless things like buying mobile phone by installment and they pay 40 -50 percent extra. In comparison ,rich people save money and invest in asset that give high returns to them. They don't waste money by buying sell phone on installment but they buy by liquidity. They invest in businesses and they grow their portfolio and make friends that are knowledgeable person but poor people spend time with useless people and they take useless suggestions by useless people about money .And they remain poor but everyone can be rich by knowledge and struggle.

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November 15, 2023, 05:57:31 PM
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Which point does not make sense? I see that every example of the product you mentioned has its own price tag which has been adjusted to suit everyone's needs. And if you don't need an iPhone because it costs that much, you're better off forgetting about the iPhone and buying fish to eat at your own home if that's what you basically need. So there is nothing unreasonable in this world because all products that have a price tag are based on all the costs and benefits contained therein.

Because if you keep comparing the price of an iPhone with the minimum wage in your country and a bottle of perfume with a meal at a fancy restaurant, I think your problems will never end because there are many things that actually don't need to be compared if the features and uses are not the same. So it would be quite reasonable if everyone only needs to look at the things that are currently needed without having to make comparisons that are basically not of the same use.

In the end, what makes the difference is mindset. They buy expensive items, perhaps because they need to, or because they have certain items, they always consider the quality, if the quality is good, they don't look at the price. Being rich is not only about wealth, but also about mental attitude. Changing your way of thinking and taking the right actions can make a big difference in your life.

And as far as I know, people who have a lot of money have a big need, even to buy goods, they will also look for goods with the best quality. So buying a bottle of prafum is expensive, so I'm not surprised by something like that.

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November 15, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
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Then that bottle of perfume is not for you. I want to try cavier but its price is out of my budget so i look for something that can give me the same happiness as eating cavier at an affordable price. Another important thing we should keep in mind is that there isn't any limit to expensiveness. A product can be double its actual value if it is served in a premium way so if that perfume is available somewhere within your budget, you can use it without paying for the extra value added because of some premium service.

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He didn't even take it to the extremes. Think of something bigger like a minimum age worker vs a gold watch on some rich man's wrist that costs more than the worker makes in 10 years. Or about a single meal of a rich person that could buy a month of meals for a whole family. At least the perfume may last many months if not abused, which many people do.

I have a rich friend and he uses good perfume, but every thing of his smells like that. His whole car, his coat, phone. He once visited me and sat on my coach and the whole room smelled like him for 2 days straight Cheesy

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

For me financial freedom is having enough money to be able to afford a normal life, nothing fancy, for many years straight, even if I get sick, or be unable to work.
In other words financial freedom is financial safety.

If I need 1000 dollars a month to live, financial freedom would mean that multiplied by 20 years, located in a safe investment like bitcoin.
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Indeed, there is a big difference between spending money on fun things and making money for life, which shows how divided society is. But your point of view on financial freedom as safety for the future is very wise. Its not enough to just have money; you need to make sure it keeps growing. Investing to get passive income is a good idea.

Though, are we missing out on happiness in the present when we worry about our safety in the future? In the end, financial freedom should strike a balance between safety in the future and happiness in the present. Its not just about the money; its also about how it makes our lives better now and in the future. Can we really say we're free if our plans for the future take over our present happiness? Maybe the real freedom is finding this balance, where having enough money doesnt stop you from living in the moment.

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Then that bottle of perfume is not for you. I want to try cavier but its price is out of my budget so i look for something that can give me the same happiness as eating cavier at an affordable price. Another important thing we should keep in mind is that there isn't any limit to expensiveness. A product can be double its actual value if it is served in a premium way so if that perfume is available somewhere within your budget, you can use it without paying for the extra value added because of some premium service.
Every thing has alternatives, the perfume that OP mentioned may be beyond her affordability but there are alternatives to that perfume which she can buy if she wants. If I have to buy a perfume with one month's salary then I have no need to buy that perfume because with one month's salary I can do other things well without buying such an expensive perfume. When money income is high, a person will have the ability to buy more expensive things including expensive perfumes. I think we should not think like this by earning relatively less money but we should think how to increase our workplace and how to increase our monthly income. But when we try to increase our income and succeed in increasing the income we will have the ability to buy everything.

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November 17, 2023, 02:35:09 AM
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Indeed, there is a big difference between spending money on fun things and making money for life, which shows how divided society is. But your point of view on financial freedom as safety for the future is very wise. Its not enough to just have money; you need to make sure it keeps growing. Investing to get passive income is a good idea.

Though, are we missing out on happiness in the present when we worry about our safety in the future? In the end, financial freedom should strike a balance between safety in the future and happiness in the present. Its not just about the money; its also about how it makes our lives better now and in the future. Can we really say we're free if our plans for the future take over our present happiness? Maybe the real freedom is finding this balance, where having enough money doesnt stop you from living in the moment.


I have a slightly different view on this even though I am aligned with the OP but I am more concerned on equality I know if you work hard, save more, invest wisely but some of us don't even get that opportunity. For example it makes a huge difference in most of the countries if you are graduated out of an reputed tier 1 colleges as top companies wants to hire candidates from Top Tier colleges and pay them massively wherein those who cannot afford to get graduated from these colleges end up struggling for years only to realise a fresher candidate is paid more than them just because they are from top tier college. An skilled labour worked much more harder than IT professional but he can never get paid on equal level.

We need to work towards creating equal opportunities right from the grass roots as anyone can say working towards higher salary will help them buy perfume or it's lavish spending, I feel our focus should be why the difference in financial circumstances of people.









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November 17, 2023, 05:01:45 AM
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For me, financial freedom is when you don't think about your needs anymore, because they are automatically covered, and you don't worry about investing, even those that have high risks because someone will handle it if you lose.
You will not be afraid to take any further steps to try to increase your income, because your income is already greater than your expenses.
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Yeah, you heard me right. Today I was scrolling through some Instagram Reels and I saw a video of a person saying this. I'm still confused. Should I laugh or should I feel sorry for that person? So here's how the whole video goes. The man said and I quote" I saw my salary on a bottle of perfume today. So you are saying that someone out there smells like my salary."

 That is life because seeing the amount that many luxury things cost for a middle-class person, it cost a lot. He just sees a perfume that costs his salary, then what of a shoe that costs the monthly salary of almost 5 workers, and the worst case is that these 5 workers are not alone but they have family and they feed well. So in life, what you use for a month is what someone spends for a single item.

 Seeing his salary cost a perfume won’t make me feel surprised because I have ever seen a video that I confirmed and found out is true: a roasted fish that cost 5.5 million Naira in Nigeria, so in dollars, this is almost $5,500, so just see what a fish that you will eat costs and imagine the salary of other people.

I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

 To me, financial freedom is not just having all that I need but accumulating a large amount of money and properties to be able to provide for my needs, my friend's needs, my family's needs, and also to provide for the needy (those that are suffering in life and need help in their daily lives, like the poor, who need shelter, food, clothing, adequate healthcare services, and many others). So when I am thinking about getting financial freedom, I always think about what I can also do to provide for others, because seeing myself helping others makes me happy.

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November 17, 2023, 06:54:00 AM
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Every thing has alternatives, the perfume that OP mentioned may be beyond her affordability but there are alternatives to that perfume which she can buy if she wants. If I have to buy a perfume with one month's salary then I have no need to buy that perfume because with one month's salary I can do other things well without buying such an expensive perfume. When money income is high, a person will have the ability to buy more expensive things including expensive perfumes. I think we should not think like this by earning relatively less money but we should think how to increase our workplace and how to increase our monthly income. But when we try to increase our income and succeed in increasing the income we will have the ability to buy everything.
This reminds me of what Steve Harvey said in one of his inspirational videos. He said we should grab the opportunity to experience first class, and whenever you get in the plane again, it’ll be difficult to walk past the first class because of the luxurious experience, then, your mind will consciously or subconsciously think on how you can get back there to experience the comfortability and all again. So ideas on how to expand your income would likely come.

Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/UBjwJN9A02U?si=PHU3BgIevHOP7MBG



 

 

 

 

 

 


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November 23, 2023, 05:14:45 AM
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The idea of someone using something as expensive as that is not that it's a better product, might be or may not be we do not really know, some of them are and some of them are not. I mean famously Rolex had some terrible watch series as well, which caused a lot of trouble, but they had some of the best ones too, if you got one of the bad series then you should be feeling like you got screwed.

However, what I am talking about here is that the idea is to spend money on things that others can't, so if you get a perfume that is more than someone else's salary, the idea is not to smell nice, the idea is to smell, so that others would ask it, and you can say that it's the expensive one. Like your phone has the time, it's much easier than a watch, or you could get a simple watch, if the aim is to tell time, but if you are getting a 100k watch, then the aim is to tell others "I have money", that's the whole point, and you can only do that with expensive stuff.

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November 23, 2023, 06:48:42 AM
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For me, financial freedom is when you don't think about your needs anymore, because they are automatically covered, and you don't worry about investing, even those that have high risks because someone will handle it if you lose.
You will not be afraid to take any further steps to try to increase your income, because your income is already greater than your expenses.

In my opinion, that's not financial freedom. You are talking about the need for money. If you grow up in a high-class family and have millions of dollars, yet you cannot use them for your needs, this is the obstacle, and that's where you need financial freedom. Imagine you have a million dollars in your bank but cannot spend more than 1000 USD per transaction with your credit/debit card. This is an obstacle. That's why Bitcoin came here. You don't have any limits. You don't have to keep your money on an organization and give them a commission to handle your own money. Instead, Bitcoin gives you full access to your funds.

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November 23, 2023, 07:35:36 AM
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Indeed, there is a big difference between spending money on fun things and making money for life, which shows how divided society is. But your point of view on financial freedom as safety for the future is very wise. Its not enough to just have money; you need to make sure it keeps growing. Investing to get passive income is a good idea.

Though, are we missing out on happiness in the present when we worry about our safety in the future? In the end, financial freedom should strike a balance between safety in the future and happiness in the present. Its not just about the money; its also about how it makes our lives better now and in the future. Can we really say we're free if our plans for the future take over our present happiness? Maybe the real freedom is finding this balance, where having enough money doesnt stop you from living in the moment.


there are people naturally that love perfume and are so obsessed with it and will go to any extent to acquire it, but that indecisiveness in finance is dangerous because using a large amount of money to buy perfume is a misplaced priority if I am not forgetting there are less price perfume that can be purchased and you still get to smell nice. I think what pushes some people to buy these expensive perfumes is the brand when people ask what brand of perfume they use they will easily disclose the brand because of the respect they will get. Being financially free not easy to do with all that is currently going on but, spending can be reduced, and I wonder what be financial discipline will do for you now, and in the future, it will do a lot.

The best way is when you have quite some amount of money with you I will suggest that you invest it because sometimes you might just keep taking out the money and might render your savings useless so it is better to invest and get your returns. if you even have a family all your concerns will be about your family and their future and you will always think of how to make more to make your family comfortable, because buying what is not important with your financial status is foolish.


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For me, financial freedom is when you don't think about your needs anymore, because they are automatically covered, and you don't worry about investing, even those that have high risks because someone will handle it if you lose.
You will not be afraid to take any further steps to try to increase your income, because your income is already greater than your expenses.
In my opinion, those who have reached a state of financial ease are still thinking about how they can earn more income and this does not mean that those who have achieved financial freedom do not think about experiencing losses in the investments they make, but they will be more careful. In making a decision regarding the investment they make, there are even some people I see who have financial freedom who still record all forms of expenses they incur to be able to find out whether they have used the money they have well or not.
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For me, financial freedom is when you don't think about your needs anymore, because they are automatically covered, and you don't worry about investing, even those that have high risks because someone will handle it if you lose.
You will not be afraid to take any further steps to try to increase your income, because your income is already greater than your expenses.
In my opinion, those who have reached a state of financial ease are still thinking about how they can earn more income and this does not mean that those who have achieved financial freedom do not think about experiencing losses in the investments they make, but they will be more careful. In making a decision regarding the investment they make, there are even some people I see who have financial freedom who still record all forms of expenses they incur to be able to find out whether they have used the money they have well or not.
i was earlier believing that financial independent is when you don't need to work for money but have enough money to fulfill your needs, then I realized that such thing might be inexistent, there is reason why some billionaires are still working or at least still getting in touch with their companies even when they are already old enough for retirement aside from the fact that they might favour working than just lying around, they also realized that their wealth could be very well eaten up if things goes wrong and most of the time with business thing will go wrong, thats why they eager to take care their company even more so if they have descendant where they'd be relying on the company.
Its a fact that inflation eats up wealth and therefore we need some prevention and one of them is keeping our wealth increase in value as well which isn't easy most of the time.

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Depending on your financial strength, everyone has the right to apply a product of whatever amount he chooses. I see it as a poor man's mentality when people condemn others because of the amount of money they choose to use to purchase an item that makes them feel alright about themselves. Let's say for instance, my monthly earning is up to $4000, if I decide to buy a risk watch for $50, the poor man who earns around $200 a month might feel that I'm being extravagant with my spending but if you look at from my monthly earning angle, you will notice that it is a very small fraction of my monthly income. The whole thing is that one should spend a proportionate amount that equals what he earns.

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i was earlier believing that financial independent is when you don't need to work for money but have enough money to fulfill your needs, then I realized that such thing might be inexistent, there is reason why some billionaires are still working or at least still getting in touch with their companies even when they are already old enough for retirement aside from the fact that they might favour working than just lying around, they also realized that their wealth could be very well eaten up if things goes wrong and most of the time with business thing will go wrong, thats why they eager to take care their company even more so if they have descendant where they'd be relying on the company.
Its a fact that inflation eats up wealth and therefore we need some prevention and one of them is keeping our wealth increase in value as well which isn't easy most of the time.
   Wealth generated and grown can at the same time be lost even faster than how it was acquired. Due to this reason, wealthy people do no slack in keeping their funds in check and also maximizing the already made wealth. We tend to wonder what more so they need in life that they're not lasting around over but they know the prospects of business, economy, wealth and investment and they're certain that when one gets to the stage that they are, any error at any point will cost them a huge loss, so they try their best to prevent it. In some situations, they don't leave their assets to incapability, they'd rather be the capable hands themselves till they're very sure of a descendant's capability to keep it growing.
    Finance is very much difficult to manage, a whole lot of checks and balances, market surveys and scalings, life doesn't just really end at having wealth, but rather ones ability in maintaining and expanding that wealth makes for the meaningful life to still be lived, opposite of that, one would be back to phase one and he'd have to start rebuilding from scratch. No one would ever want his efforts and struggles of so many years to go down the drain all due to carelessness.
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What you are saying made me flashback to a discussion I heard from people over in a taxi while going home with my daughter, someone said of how could a Pastor go buy a private Jet while there other members who needs help in the congregation.. they were saying all manner of things about buying expensive things. Well to me I was like do they know the financial level of such person before they would start rolling their tongue and winding their mouths to talks about how the uses a certain amount to buy Jet.

In the world we are of different classes so it's to our incomes, you can see someone who earns 100x of your salary and you can also see someone who earns 1000x of your salary, the thing have you sets yourself to earn something good?
Well I can say to those people you don't expect them to behave like you because you don't know if they had their own investment higher than yours or they have already builds up what will keep generating money for them even though they don't work anymore they can earn through their investment and be totally free from financial stress that, that was why the person you quoted asked that question.

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Marketing strategies have made people as consumers and their minds were made blank. If they think, should I need to smell at that cost and what does it brings to him/her. Human always have a natural smell which is also an attraction. I'll never go for it, maybe the smell will attract someone towards you. Maybe if the salary is with him/her, if is possible to have good life. Just to smell good we need to sacrifice many things and that is not the right way. Another thing it is possible to smell good with $1 as well as with $1m. It is upto us and how well we make our calculations and go for the right product.

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The topic was, is financial freedom equals to luxurious life or a life where you achieved certain amount of assets that you don't have to think about the future. Either way, thanks to everyone for their valuable time. I will continue to read new comments from people. So if you have other thoughts, be sure to let me know.

When you’re worry free about problems or emergencies that could arise in the near and distant future due to lack of money, maybe cause of your investments and assets that regularly help to fill your pockets. That’s what I would call financial freedom. You’re literally don’t have to bother about money problems.
 
Financial freedom/stability doesn’t necessary equate a luxurious lifestyle. Picture someone inheriting two million dollars. Goes ahead to burn it all on drugs, alcohol and hookers and generally enjoys a luxurious lifestyle. Such a person cannot be said to be financially free/independent despite having and spending all of that money.
It’s become quite rampant how people spend way beyond their means,living a fake and costly lifestyle in a bid to portray wealth and success.

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This may sound ridiculous to those who have high monthly income but the person who created this post and those who have monthly salary like him will only understand how difficult the reality is for them. Earning a middle category salary does not actually fulfill one's hobbies or pleasures but only allows one to take care of one's family. I don't think anyone would buy a perfume with the money we earn a month. Before buying that perfume a thought will come in our mind that it took us 30 days to earn this money and in this 30 days income I can't spend just buying a perfume. For those of us who belong to the middle category salary bracket, there are many good perfumes in the lower range that we have to use.
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This may sound ridiculous to those who have high monthly income but the person who created this post and those who have monthly salary like him will only understand how difficult the reality is for them. Earning a middle category salary does not actually fulfill one's hobbies or pleasures but only allows one to take care of one's family. I don't think anyone would buy a perfume with the money we earn a month. Before buying that perfume a thought will come in our mind that it took us 30 days to earn this money and in this 30 days income I can't spend just buying a perfume. For those of us who belong to the middle category salary bracket, there are many good perfumes in the lower range that we have to use.
Here's what I want to say to you. Do you really think that only rich people buy those perfumes? No. They only show it to the world in order to lure people to buy it. And who will buy the rest of it? The middle-class people are trying desperately to show others that they are rich and they can afford that perfume that costs them 1 month's salary. They will not spend it once. They will work hard, save up, struggle in daily life and then they will buy it after they have saved the required amount.

That's how those filthy brands advertise their products. They even offer it to rich people for free just for publicity. And once they are at that level, they will suck the blood out of normal people.
Anyway, we are talking about financial freedom. This was just a story to understand how many people have different perspectives on things.
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Then that bottle of perfume is not for you. I want to try cavier but its price is out of my budget so i look for something that can give me the same happiness as eating cavier at an affordable price. Another important thing we should keep in mind is that there isn't any limit to expensiveness. A product can be double its actual value if it is served in a premium way so if that perfume is available somewhere within your budget, you can use it without paying for the extra value added because of some premium service.
You have to understand that you are not much different from a product, as long as you have good quality then your value will also be very high like perfume or caviar. I realize why currently my income is still quite low, it's all because I realize that I still don't deserve a lot of money, I still have to struggle to improve myself

People will not be willing to buy expensive things when they don't think that the goods are worth the price, not much different from your envy, people will not pay you expensive things when you don't deserve to get it

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People need to be contended with what they have now, not saying they should not be ambitious, no, you need to be at least an ambitious people, but the issue is that when you reach a level, some cars go for $40k while some goes for $1 million, you need to cut your cloth according to your size and stop looking at these luxurious goods, build your own wealth and all these things you think are extensive will become cheap to you.

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This may sound ridiculous to those who have high monthly income but the person who created this post and those who have monthly salary like him will only understand how difficult the reality is for them. Earning a middle category salary does not actually fulfill one's hobbies or pleasures but only allows one to take care of one's family. I don't think anyone would buy a perfume with the money we earn a month. Before buying that perfume a thought will come in our mind that it took us 30 days to earn this money and in this 30 days income I can't spend just buying a perfume. For those of us who belong to the middle category salary bracket, there are many good perfumes in the lower range that we have to use.
Here's what I want to say to you. Do you really think that only rich people buy those perfumes? No. They only show it to the world in order to lure people to buy it. And who will buy the rest of it? The middle-class people are trying desperately to show others that they are rich and they can afford that perfume that costs them 1 month's salary. They will not spend it once. They will work hard, save up, struggle in daily life and then they will buy it after they have saved the required amount.

That's how those filthy brands advertise their products. They even offer it to rich people for free just for publicity. And once they are at that level, they will suck the blood out of normal people.
Anyway, we are talking about financial freedom. This was just a story to understand how many people have different perspectives on things.
In the end, everything has its own portion and indeed the way we work in the world consciously or unconsciously is like that because caste will always be more important so we also cannot blame the product or whatever it is because in the end the purpose of their creation is also not for us who can only survive with the basics but for those who sometimes buy without seeing the price they don't panic about it Cheesy But on the other hand it can also actually be used as one of the motivations and reminders for ourselves because even though there is a saying "don't look up too much" but occasionally we also have to look up that there is a better life that we can go to besides that we also still have to be grateful for our situation because in the end there are also people whose life burden is even more difficult than what we feel now.

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There is difference between living life and enjoying life. First of all we need to live our life, and for that we need to work on it and increase the income streams. If we can't live the life, then we can't think of enjoying the life. We may feel happy for the perfume, for someone it is kind of tip money. For many of us it is a month's salary. Just because someone use it we shouldn't get tempted. We should know the situation of us and we need to plan accordingly. Maybe we can buy it, and what will we do for the rest of the month. So, live the life and enjoyment will accompany when you keep yourself focused and dedicated.

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Then that bottle of perfume is not for you. I want to try cavier but its price is out of my budget so i look for something that can give me the same happiness as eating cavier at an affordable price. Another important thing we should keep in mind is that there isn't any limit to expensiveness. A product can be double its actual value if it is served in a premium way so if that perfume is available somewhere within your budget, you can use it without paying for the extra value added because of some premium service.
Every thing has alternatives, the perfume that OP mentioned may be beyond her affordability but there are alternatives to that perfume which she can buy if she wants. If I have to buy a perfume with one month's salary then I have no need to buy that perfume because with one month's salary I can do other things well without buying such an expensive perfume. When money income is high, a person will have the ability to buy more expensive things including expensive perfumes. I think we should not think like this by earning relatively less money but we should think how to increase our workplace and how to increase our monthly income. But when we try to increase our income and succeed in increasing the income we will have the ability to buy everything.
Buying too-expensive goods is part of frivolous ways of life and economics calls it ostentatious goods. They are such that do not quantify the price you buy them, they are a mere waste of money. But people often buy them because they can afford them and might want to feel among, but not because of what it would actually do for you. I believe the OP narrated this for us to have an insight into some financial freedom and disparity in this world among the rich and the less privileged and nothing more. Our fingers are not equal, so are our statuses, and if you see someone spaying your salary on his body daily, this might be a sign for you to know that you are not doing enough in your life.

This should rather be a challenge than otherwise. If you can work your way to that level too, you will get there and get to do whatever you want to do with your money. It is rather better than competing with anyone or being angry with yourself as the case may be, especially the rich who would purchase such goods and will not even know they spent a dime.

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People need to be contended with what they have now, not saying they should not be ambitious, no, you need to be at least an ambitious people, but the issue is that when you reach a level, some cars go for $40k while some goes for $1 million, you need to cut your cloth according to your size and stop looking at these luxurious goods, build your own wealth and all these things you think are extensive will become cheap to you.
A person must have the desire or ambition to achieve the desired life goals. Ambitious can be said to be a positive trait, to achieve what has been his ideal or hope so far he must have a strong will within himself. When someone is ambitious to get something in life, he never hesitates to go further because the ambition within him will encourage him to work harder.
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What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?

To me, I will choose the second one. If I am happy with what I have and I am certain that it will continue to help me in the future too, then I have successfully achieved financial freedom. But most people these days are caught up with the thought of using luxurious thing and being able to continuously use it is financial freedom to them.

Do you agree or disagree to this?

Financial freedom is usually understood as having achieved a wealth that allows you to live without working for the rest of your life. I care more about, and already enjoy, partial financial freedom, because years of saving and investing give me a freedom of choice that if I didn't have money I wouldn't have. Besides, since I like what I do when I work, I am not obsessed with retiring. I think that if I had enough money not to work for the rest of my life I would work, at least part-time, or otherwise, in projects that I create.

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Financial freedom is usually understood as having achieved a wealth that allows you to live without working for the rest of your life. I care more about, and already enjoy, partial financial freedom, because years of saving and investing give me a freedom of choice that if I didn't have money I wouldn't have. Besides, since I like what I do when I work, I am not obsessed with retiring. I think that if I had enough money not to work for the rest of my life I would work, at least part-time, or otherwise, in projects that I create.
well.. Financial freedom indeed allows you to enjoy further choices and flexibility in your life. It's giving you the peace of mind knowing that you have a fiscal bumper and the freedom to make decisions without being solely agitated by fiscal scores. The perspective on  withdrawal with fiscal is also stimulating. This is happiness.

The idea of pursuing work-related projects indeed after achieving  financial freedom is an excellent illustration of using your time and capability to produce impactful things. It's a testament to your drive and desire to contribute to society, indeed without the financial need to do so.

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November 27, 2023, 12:38:51 PM
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This may sound ridiculous to those who have high monthly income but the person who created this post and those who have monthly salary like him will only understand how difficult the reality is for them. Earning a middle category salary does not actually fulfill one's hobbies or pleasures but only allows one to take care of one's family. I don't think anyone would buy a perfume with the money we earn a month. Before buying that perfume a thought will come in our mind that it took us 30 days to earn this money and in this 30 days income I can't spend just buying a perfume. For those of us who belong to the middle category salary bracket, there are many good perfumes in the lower range that we have to use.
Here's what I want to say to you. Do you really think that only rich people buy those perfumes? No. They only show it to the world in order to lure people to buy it. And who will buy the rest of it? The middle-class people are trying desperately to show others that they are rich and they can afford that perfume that costs them 1 month's salary. They will not spend it once. They will work hard, save up, struggle in daily life and then they will buy it after they have saved the required amount.

From what you said, I can conclude that this scenario is nothing more than a promotion or advertisement of a product through the intermediary of some rich people who have good finances. I think this kind of thing is not uncommon and often happens and we see it in the real world. When normal people or those with lower-middle income are able to buy that perfume even though they have to sacrifice their one-month salary I think it doesn't matter to them because they will get satisfaction and unusual sensations when they can reach the point of purchase like the rich do and after that their main target is the public, sort of forcing something just for the satisfaction of the feedback they get from the people who see it or can be called flexing.

That's really a mindset that is not recommended because there is no real benefit that they can get, and I'm sure that sensation will only get them for a few moments while the salary they spend on just one perfume botoh can basically finance their life for one month. So simply put it's like you're trading your living expenses for some time just for temporary prestige.

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People need to be contended with what they have now, not saying they should not be ambitious, no
If you can't afford the perfume, then go for the one that you can afford. Let the people that can afford it buy it. With your little money, you're still going to get perfume, and you will be saint nice. So don't be disturbed by what you see, everyone is having his or her life to leave. If you can work hard, then you will also be able to afford it one day. But since one bottle of perfume is your one month salary, don't feel bad. Maybe your one month salary is what some people receive in 2-3 months. So you just have to be satisfied with what you have. Don't end up doing illegal things just because you want to buy expensive perfume, clothes, or cars. Just buy what you can afford at that particular time, and keep on working hard.

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November 27, 2023, 07:26:41 PM
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Financial freedom is usually understood as having achieved a wealth that allows you to live without working for the rest of your life. I care more about, and already enjoy, partial financial freedom, because years of saving and investing give me a freedom of choice that if I didn't have money I wouldn't have. Besides, since I like what I do when I work, I am not obsessed with retiring. I think that if I had enough money not to work for the rest of my life I would work, at least part-time, or otherwise, in projects that I create.
i like your concept of life, you continue to intend to be productive, you don't want to retire at a young age and never work again even if you have a stable income.  For me personally, financial freedom means that i have full control over the money i earn, i am independent in money and don't lack money at certain moments. 

i run a small business and the income i get is enough to meet my daily living needs, i don't feel satisfied with everything i get now, i have strong ambitions to grow further in the future, for now i can say that i have achieved half financial freedom, it never crossed my mind to retire early and vacation in many countries, i have a big responsibility for my business and also my family, my self-worth is my achievements.

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If you can't afford the perfume, then go for the one that you can afford. Let the people that can afford it buy it. With your little money, you're still going to get perfume, and you will be saint nice. So don't be disturbed by what you see, everyone is having his or her life to leave. If you can work hard, then you will also be able to afford it one day. But since one bottle of perfume is your one month salary, don't feel bad. Maybe your one month salary is what some people receive in 2-3 months. So you just have to be satisfied with what you have. Don't end up doing illegal things just because you want to buy expensive perfume, clothes, or cars. Just buy what you can afford at that particular time, and keep on working hard.
Well said.
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November 27, 2023, 09:52:33 PM
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People need to be contended with what they have now, not saying they should not be ambitious, no
If you can't afford the perfume, then go for the one that you can afford. Let the people that can afford it buy it. With your little money, you're still going to get perfume, and you will be saint nice. So don't be disturbed by what you see, everyone is having his or her life to leave. If you can work hard, then you will also be able to afford it one day. But since one bottle of perfume is your one month salary, don't feel bad. Maybe your one month salary is what some people receive in 2-3 months. So you just have to be satisfied with what you have. Don't end up doing illegal things just because you want to buy expensive perfume, clothes, or cars. Just buy what you can afford at that particular time, and keep on working hard.
Contentment and self control would be always the key since we do know that whenever soemone does have those kind of hopes and insights towards things specially when it comes to wants then people would be that
failing on this one. Its not really that bad on having those kind of wishes but we should really be that contented on what are  the things that we do have and not really pushing ourselves if we cant really be able to reach it.
Just live with your means and never ever make yourself that going into something which it is really that hard to attain on the current state. Therefore, sticking up with your current situation
and be contented on what you do have at the moment. It is true that satisfaction would really be the main issue on here because if you dont make yourself that having this kind of
approach towards into your current condition, then if you do have that a chance on having money then you will be that spending it right away without even minding other priorities which is really that bad.

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People need to be contended with what they have now, not saying they should not be ambitious, no, you need to be at least an ambitious people, but the issue is that when you reach a level, some cars go for $40k while some goes for $1 million, you need to cut your cloth according to your size and stop looking at these luxurious goods, build your own wealth and all these things you think are extensive will become cheap to you.

That's a wonderful advise, everyone should main his category and limit because all hands aren't equal, your own worst experience might be someone's magic moments he as being waiting for and that is life for you, everyone tends to push in forward to make it in life but not everyone will eventually survived it through the last stage, but that doesn't mean we should consider ourselves a failure nor accept defeat until everything is completely done and dusted that we can see them the way they appears, we are to always remain thankful each time we look about our lives, where we are coming from, where we are and the future that awaited us as well.



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November 28, 2023, 04:20:54 AM
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Do you agree or disagree to this? Let me know your thoughts.
in my opinion, buying luxury goods or buying perfume at expensive prices once in a while is okay if they can afford it or even have more wealth, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they buy luxury goods for themselves, not for other people, or "(only for show off)". because you only live once, and no one knows how old you are, it would be a shame if they didn't enjoy the results of their hard work before they died.

But for me personally, when I buy something, I always buy it wisely, buy with common sense, buy things that I really need, buy because of function (not because of prestige), and buy on time (when needed).
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November 28, 2023, 05:25:03 AM
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People need to be contended with what they have now, not saying they should not be ambitious, no, you need to be at least an ambitious people, but the issue is that when you reach a level, some cars go for $40k while some goes for $1 million, you need to cut your cloth according to your size and stop looking at these luxurious goods, build your own wealth and all these things you think are extensive will become cheap to you.
Well, we really have to be ambitious when it comes to career achievements and plans to improve our standard of living so that we have a much better financial level in this case. This can encourage us to become individuals who work harder and always don't want to miss out on opportunities that arise. But the problem is that sometimes when we start to earn more money, that's when it's sometimes difficult for us to control ourselves so we don't end up living a life that is extravagant or someone who always follows trends. The solution is for us to stick to good financial management. Refrain from buying things that we want but don't really need. And if we succeed then we are actually one step ahead. It's just a matter of how we can survive and be consistent with all of that. And yes, when we already have a lot of money, this is where we also have to know how the value changes in money. So that the value of the money we have is not affected by inflation, changing it into other assets that are more inflation resistant is a good step. And we only need to leave money for our daily needs. But the problem is that if we want to improve financially, sometimes we also need to take risks. Because without taking risks, sometimes we can only live a monotonous life with a monotonous salary. that's why investment is needed. So even though the value of our salary may decrease due to inflation. At least it can be increased again through investment.

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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?


Money is not everything to me. money is only a means of supporting my life. For financial freedom, if I mean it, it means living well, without debt in old age and being healthy and that is more than enough for me.
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Financial freedom can help us enjoy life as everyone usually wants to live the life they want. For this plan savings first To become financially independent in the future saving now is very important invest in different sectors to increase earnings. Don't spend without planning many people see something and buy it if they like it don't make this mistake think first if you really need that item. Being financially secure allows you to support loved ones in times of need. Financial security allows you to save and invest for your retirement if you waste money by buying unnecessary things you will never get financial freedom.

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November 28, 2023, 02:21:39 PM
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For me, it's not so much about a certain monetary barrier as it is about knowing that my investments will provide passive income, assuring a secure future. While some associate luxury with financial independence, I believe genuine freedom is found in happiness with what one has and the stability of long-term resources.
It is critical to change the emphasis from instant satisfaction to long-term stability. Striking a balance between enjoying the present and preserving the future via sensible investments fits my financial independence objective. It's a sophisticated idea that emphasizes security and peace of mind over consumerism.
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November 28, 2023, 02:24:07 PM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
For me, financial freedom for me is all about time and money. It's not impossible. Work hard so that we have enough money to build a business and invest, then we will achieve financial freedom, because the key to freedom is money and time.

Money is not everything to me. money is only a means of supporting my life. For financial freedom, if I mean it, it means living well, without debt in old age and being healthy and that is more than enough for me.
Yes, at the end of financial freedom are those who can relax in their old age, who can enjoy their old age without thinking about debt and having their living needs met. It's true that money isn't everything, but everything needs money, therefore from now on manage your finances as best as possible, don't buy things you don't need, buy quality, not quantity.

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November 28, 2023, 04:26:29 PM
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For me, financial freedom for me is all about time and money. It's not impossible. Work hard so that we have enough money to build a business and invest, then we will achieve financial freedom, because the key to freedom is money and time.

Shouldn't it be like your money = your freedom?
I guess the Financial freedom word comes from the Bitcoin whitepaper where Satoshi Nakamoto said he wanted financial freedom for people or, someone else said that about the invention of Bitcoin. If you keep your money in your bank, can you use your own earned money without any limit? Can you receive any amount at any time? Do they ask for papers when you receive a large amount of money? Do they ask for the reason if you want to withdraw a big amount of money? Imagine the disturbness. That's why Satoshi made Bitcoin and it gives you financial freedom. Your money = your freedom. Use whenever you want. 
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November 28, 2023, 04:52:26 PM
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I bring up this to talk about financial freedom. What is financial freedom to you? Is it about having a certain amount of money that is required to have financial freedom or to have an amount of money which can potentially give you freedom in the future?
For me, financial freedom for me is all about time and money. It's not impossible. Work hard so that we have enough money to build a business and invest, then we will achieve financial freedom, because the key to freedom is money and time.

Money is not everything to me. money is only a means of supporting my life. For financial freedom, if I mean it, it means living well, without debt in old age and being healthy and that is more than enough for me.
Yes, at the end of financial freedom are those who can relax in their old age, who can enjoy their old age without thinking about debt and having their living needs met. It's true that money isn't everything, but everything needs money, therefore from now on manage your finances as best as possible, don't buy things you don't need, buy quality, not quantity.
Success is something that needs to be worked hard on and not something that could happen magically on which there are people who are really just that making something and trying out to believe that there's something good that would happen into them. Freedom isnt only talking about financial but also on the things which cant be bought by money which for example which is "TIME".
Lets cherish out the precious moments that we do have with our loved ones, we are all hoping to have that acquiring everything balanced but i do believe that money would be always the priority.
In speaking about economic approach about on how this worlds becomes  that too messy in terms to this then as an individual then it would be just that right that you should
be working more hard for you to achieve your dreams and of course making up wise decisions will really be that crucial.

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