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November 10, 2023, 08:52:20 AM
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Sometimes I am considered not a beginner, but rather an expert at this, maybe before I registered an account Bitcointalk.org, I had studied it first.
Even though I am a beginner on this forum, my experience in trading and cryptocurrencies is quite good, because around the beginning of 2019 I entered the world of trading, and my writing style is honestly, I work on freelance (write), and so. Sometimes my writing is also considered, like a robot (AI). Cheesy

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with newbies like you. What perplexes me is that you claim to be a talented writer while claiming that most of your postings are said to be AI generated. I don't believe there is any link between a talented writer and an AI-generated post. AI uses information from the internet to provide you with an answer. Do you obtain knowledge in any way similar to the AI? If that's not the case, why is your posts suddenly considered as an AI generated?

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November 10, 2023, 11:07:19 AM
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Sometimes I am considered not a beginner, but rather an expert at this, maybe before I registered an account Bitcointalk.org, I had studied it first.
Even though I am a beginner on this forum, my experience in trading and cryptocurrencies is quite good, because around the beginning of 2019 I entered the world of trading, and my writing style is honestly, I work on freelance (write), and so. Sometimes my writing is also considered, like a robot (AI). Cheesy

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with newbies like you, What perplexes me is that you claim to be a talented writer while claiming that most of your postings are said to be AI generated. I don't believe there is any link between a talented writer and an AI-generated post. AI uses information from the internet to provide you with an answer. Do you obtain knowledge in any way similar to the AI? If that's not the case, why is your posts suddenly considered as an AI generated?
So, here's what happened, before I posted this "Beginner Motivation", I had also done a post which was quite time-consuming, and when I uploaded it to this forum, for some reason someone reported my post, and there was complete proof. "Content detected 90% of it comes from AI".
About 5 posts that I made were deleted from the forum, then I tried to double-check and look for a solution related to this, in my mind, if left like this, most beginners who have just joined and made posts will definitely feel disappointed if their posts are considered spam or AI content.

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November 10, 2023, 01:39:33 PM
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So, here's what happened, before I posted this "Beginner Motivation", I had also done a post which was quite time-consuming, and when I uploaded it to this forum, for some reason someone reported my post, and there was complete proof. "Content detected 90% of it comes from AI".
About 5 posts that I made were deleted from the forum, then I tried to double-check and look for a solution related to this, in my mind, if left like this, most beginners who have just joined and made posts will definitely feel disappointed if their posts are considered spam or AI content.

#Already long X wide, as if not appreciated.

So don't use AI tools to create posts for this forum.
We all know about the existence of AI tools here, but few of us want to talk to a machine. AI-generated texts are often useless and unreadable because they do not contribute new ideas, but only pure expression of phrases.
Even if it's true that you didn't use AI for your posts, and they were deleted again by the moderators, that's just a sign that you wrote something completely off-topic and useless. This should be a signal to you that you need to raise the quality of what you write, not just throw out a bunch of text.

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November 10, 2023, 01:50:01 PM
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So, here's what happened, before I posted this "Beginner Motivation", I had also done a post which was quite time-consuming, and when I uploaded it to this forum, for some reason someone reported my post, and there was complete proof. "Content detected 90% of it comes from AI".
About 5 posts that I made were deleted from the forum, then I tried to double-check and look for a solution related to this, in my mind, if left like this, most beginners who have just joined and made posts will definitely feel disappointed if their posts are considered spam or AI content.

#Already long X wide, as if not appreciated.

So don't use AI tools to create posts for this forum.
We all know about the existence of AI tools here, but few of us want to talk to a machine. AI-generated texts are often useless and unreadable because they do not contribute new ideas, but only pure expression of phrases.
Even if it's true that you didn't use AI for your posts, and they were deleted again by the moderators, that's just a sign that you wrote something completely off-topic and useless. This should be a signal to you that you need to raise the quality of what you write, not just throw out a bunch of text.
Yes of course right, but my aim is nothing else, because I want my posts to come from sources that have been acknowledged,
So none of my speculations are too far-fetched & inconsequential.
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November 10, 2023, 02:04:33 PM
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I see seriousness in your post OP, I believe with time you will get it right in the area of quality post which is the straight way for newbies to grow their account in the bitcointalk.org. I believe many newbies will take something good from your write up, on how to make use of the platform to learn so many things from the senior members which is the best way to learn fast in this platform and local board also which am one of the benefitiary in some legendary and hero members in the bitcointalk.org by reading their comments and replies in some topics in the platform to learn.

Don't forget to wear the garment of patience as a beginner which, is the engine that is keeping many beginners in this platform because they believe that some day they will become legendary or Hero members in the platform.

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November 10, 2023, 02:43:43 PM
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OP, if a newbie comes to the forum and asks questions that interest him or, on the contrary, writes something useful for the forum on his own, his texts will never be defined as the work of an AI tool.
If someone copies, paraphrases, and translates the work of AI with the help of a translator and then passes it off as their own work, this will always lead to deleted posts.
Don't cheat on the forum. You can check the posts of people who create threads themselves, and you are unlikely to find that AI created the post. Therefore, what you write here, saying that your posts were deleted incorrectly, is the same lie.
But time will tell who you really are.

Stop using colored text.

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November 10, 2023, 02:52:44 PM
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It is interesting to see newbies motivating their fellow newbies. Also interesting seeing newbies teaching fellow newbies, but the most interesting is seeing newbies teaching established members about the forum. Most times I end up not reading such posts  The content of your post might be nice but the caption is rather scary for a newbie to start.

My advice for beginners is to be careful when posting, you should check here first:
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This post is also available on: "MY LOCAL POST" The goal is to make it clearer and easier for beginners to understand.
Because when I write the original version (Local Indonesian) and then enter it into Google Translate (Indonesia=English), sentence errors often occur. (Perhaps because the phrasing of the sentence is difficult to interpret accurately).
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November 10, 2023, 03:23:29 PM
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OP, if a newbie comes to the forum and asks questions that interest him or, on the contrary, writes something useful for the forum on his own, his texts will never be defined as the work of an AI tool.
If someone copies, paraphrases, and translates the work of AI with the help of a translator and then passes it off as their own work, this will always lead to deleted posts.
Don't cheat on the forum. You can check the posts of people who create threads themselves, and you are unlikely to find that AI created the post. Therefore, what you write here, saying that your posts were deleted incorrectly, is the same lie.
But time will tell who you really are.

Stop using colored text.
Ok, I understand your point of view, but that's who I am.
Believe it or not, I will still create.



It is interesting to see newbies motivating their fellow newbies. Also interesting seeing newbies teaching fellow newbies, but the most interesting is seeing newbies teaching established members about the forum. Most times I end up not reading such posts  The content of your post might be nice but the caption is rather scary for a newbie to start.



The use of different colours to decorate your posts will not attract attention to you, rather it might end up putting you in people's ignore list. As much as possible, please use the default text colour of the forum.
I just tried and there are still many shortcomings in what I do..
However, I will continue to try to increase my knowledge about this.
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November 10, 2023, 03:36:31 PM
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@Nechiequ, someone probably already advised you, but forget about everything else and read the rules of the forum (one more and if necessary ten more times until you understand). If you had read those rules, you would know that posting multiple posts in a row is not allowed by the forum rules. You can reply to several posts in one post by adding quotes, but you can also edit the post without having to create a new one.

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Ok, I understand your point of view, but that's who I am.
Believe it or not, I will still create.

It is wrong that you think that the forum should adapt to you, because it should be the exact opposite. Using AI or plagiarizing is simply wrong, and it will not lead you in the right direction. Use your brain and your words, and then no one will accuse you of doing something wrong.

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November 10, 2023, 03:47:37 PM
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Buddy, you are overdoing it again. Just behave normal and everything will be fine.
Don't have to blame him though  Grin alot of us (myself) learnt that the hard way, because when you come here to actually fish merit and not contribute or think of cheating the system then you will find out that the system will deal with you. Instead being yourself and giving your best at joining major conversation and being helpful in anyway you is what every newbie needs. Just try reading more and educating your self first then you know what am saying.

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November 10, 2023, 04:15:43 PM
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Buddy, you are overdoing it again. Just behave normal and everything will be fine.
Don't have to blame him though  Grin alot of us (myself) learnt that the hard way, because when you come here to actually fish merit and not contribute or think of cheating the system then you will find out that the system will deal with you. Instead being yourself and giving your best at joining major conversation and being helpful in anyway you is what every newbie needs. Just try reading more and educating your self first then you know what am saying.
Your right a lot of persons did not get to be themselves their was always a motive for them creating lots of topics in the forum. This time tings are beginning to change people dont merit post based on the content of them advising, sharing knowledge and talking about Bitcoin because most of them are all framed up stories posted to earn rewards. Now the sources are beginning to understand this act and it will soon be taken care as some thread will be moved to off-topic or be locked,

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November 10, 2023, 05:03:20 PM
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Buddy, you registered 10 days ago and already giving advice to other newbie members so your post will be seen nothing other than a merit fishing attempt, and a pretty bad one.

My advice to you is to focus on an actual conversations with other members (as that's the main purpsoe of forum) and merit will come.
Either he is good at learning forums, once entered another forum that is similar to Bitcointalk, or anything, but that doubted me too because he had just registered, and his activities were also only a few, in my thinking it was also something that was not a beginner doing that. Quickly, moreover he seemed to understand the forum, I was sure he was an old player in this forum. Huh
Yeah, that's true, sometimes I also wonder, there's a new account of less than 2 months, and it's already a full member.
Can you explain what I mean? Shocked
Yes, of course you need to see his contribution to the forum and what he does so that the increase is very fast, what things he did so that it would increase, it would be odd if in the first week he was in the forum but like someone who already knew forum.

If the number of fairness is at least 3 weeks for someone to learn quickly to understand a forum to adapt and study forums and is active every day, if he is truly a beginner and a layman of this forum, unless he is a forum's surveillance who has long noticed this forum.
Can you show the account, which makes you think that. Undecided

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November 10, 2023, 05:43:22 PM
Last edit: November 10, 2023, 06:06:21 PM by Nechiequ
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Yes, of course you need to see his contribution to the forum and what he does so that the increase is very fast, what things he did so that it would increase, it would be odd if in the first week he was in the forum but like someone who already knew forum.
I am what I am, as long as I know the information is a span, yes I will say a span, when I know it is a meter I will definitely tell you a meter too.
So, I'm measuring my abilities, bro.

If the number of fairness is at least 3 weeks for someone to learn quickly to understand a forum to adapt and study forums and is active every day, if he is truly a beginner and a layman of this forum, unless he is a forum's surveillance who has long noticed this forum.
Can you show the account, which makes you think that. Undecided
Oh, so the rules of the game are like that?
 If there are beginners who can convey according to their abilities, How..?

The teacher at school said, don't convey information that you don't know.
And my spiritual teacher taught
1. Honesty is the key to life
2. The information submitted must be sourced that can be accounted for.
3. Must digest the information before conveying it.
And many more things related to life.
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November 10, 2023, 06:28:08 PM
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If anyone is interested in reading about the context that leads the OP to declare here that some of his posts were generated by AI, read from this post onwards.

Now regarding having to use an AI generated content checker before posting, that is absurd, unless of course one is really leaning heavily on these sort of tools to generate their content to begin with …

The core idea is for a poster to be natural, and convey the ideas he wishes to set forth in a natural way. One is obviously entitled to look up information here and there, and with that generate his own compendium of thoughts, questions, criticisms, appraisals or whatever, but the key, which seems pretty straight forward, is to post using one’s own words. He may also resort to adding a source for further reading, as I very often do (others do it to avoid plagiarism).

Now if one has a hard time expressing himself in a certain language, then at best he may use some sort of tool to spell check or correct is grammar. I don’t know Russian myself for example, so I therefore would not resort to any sort of tool to translate a content that I’ve elaborated into Russian for the sake of publishing the post (with very rare point in time exceptions, which are not the object of debate here).

What’s natural is for people to express themselves in languages that they know to a reasonable extent, in a manner that is readable without too much deciphering from the reader’s point of view (from a language perspective, not content). What’s not natural on the other hand is to have to use translation tools to get a certain content across for whatever goal, and even less so on a regular basis.   

Some people take it a step further nowadays and use AI to generate content. That should clearly not be acceptable, since the poster is not conveying his own thoughts, but rather those of some software. Furthermore, copying and pasting AI generated information is the same as plagiarism from my point of view, as the poster will be posting content not generated by him without providing a source (unless made explicit, which then may shift the problem into another category).

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Yes, of course you need to see his contribution to the forum and what he does so that the increase is very fast, what things he did so that it would increase, it would be odd if in the first week he was in the forum but like someone who already knew forum.
I am what I am, as long as I know the information is a span, yes I will say a span, when I know it is a meter I will definitely tell you a meter too.

Hey man, I think you should chill out some.  Folks here have given you solid advice and  if you really wanna be part of this community and contribute in a positive way, you gotta at least consider what they are saying.  Do not just dismiss it or get defensive right off the bat.  It is not good to be stuck in stubborn attitudes and refuse to accept that you can improve.   

So, I'm measuring my abilities, bro.

"If you can not measure it, you can not improve it."

I get that hearing criticism is hard.  But try looking at it as people trying to help you grow.  Take a step back and reflect on what theyre saying before reacting.  Being open to change takes guts but it is worth it.  A little humility and willingness to admit faults can go a long way. 

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Lol... It's actually funny when I see posts like this.
How would anyone not consider your post to be AI generated when you induce too many color and unnecessary paintings in your writing? ..also, a topic was made about newbies tryna teach others how to progressively survive in here when they're supposed to be learning themselves... isn't this exactly what you're doing?
You've barely got techs to write on critical conversations - meanwhile, that's exactly how anyone would tell if the person behind the OP is sensible enough, talk more of meriting 'em post.

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Lol... It's actually funny when I see posts like this.
How would anyone not consider your post to be AI generated when you induce too many color and unnecessary paintings in your writing?
While OP most likely used Al tool in some of his previous posts, I don't think that's the case with this post as well.

AI written posts are usually written in a native speaker level of English and that's simply not the case here. After all, he admitted that he wrote that post in his native language first and then used Google translate.

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My guess is that this is a merit fishing attempt but failed as we have seen it. This is what I can share to you OP. You a beginner here in the forum doesn't have to always highlight bitcointalk.org as I can say or use different colors because it's annoying to be honest and to tell you the truth, it's not just low rank but also higher rank where their post is considered spam and deleted because I also have some of my post got deleted even though it isn't out of topic or spam.

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First of all, I have a question for you: from the topic and the content of the topic, is it the same? We know you are a newbie, which doesn’t mean you have experience with bitcoin or not. To me, I will say you are trying to hunt for merit because creating such a thread given your previous story and tagging the post with motivation is very bad. You too, as a newbie, should be sincere. If you encounter something like what you posted as motivation, won’t you think that maybe the forum is meant for jokes? How can you write a different subject that is different from the content of the topic?

And there are some mistakes you are still making in your post that you do check for information from Google Chrome to ask questions about. If you can check Google Chrome and understand what it means, then what is the purpose of you asking the question again?

In short, all I can say about your post is that if you find English hard to convey, why not base it on only your local board that uses Google translators to know what you are trying to understand in the form?From all indications, if I can say you as a beginner, you didn’t read newbies_ read before posting If not, you won’t be here wasting your time and people's time, claiming you knew bitcoin for couple of years ago.

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Lol... It's actually funny when I see posts like this.
How would anyone not consider your post to be AI generated when you induce too many color and unnecessary paintings in your writing? ..also, a topic was made about newbies tryna teach others how to progressively survive in here when they're supposed to be learning themselves... isn't this exactly what you're doing?
You've barely got techs to write on critical conversations - meanwhile, that's exactly how anyone would tell if the person behind the OP is sensible enough, talk more of meriting 'em post.

Sandra ‍

The color means nothing when it comes to dictating AI-generated posts. It made the original post look like a children's book. The problem with OP is that he is desperate to earn merits and is frustrated that they are not coming as he assumed. He is not also teachable which is why he keeps arguing over what he knows almost nothing about. My advice to you OP is that he should focus on his local board until he has gained some knowledge of how the forum works. He could also take time to learn how to use spelling checkers and language translator software.

Please just straighten it out, because I'm a beginner and I don't have a special teacher.
Are you willing to be my special teacher?
Is it possible that because I translated it into English the writing looks like this...?

OP you don't need a special teacher only if you can observe and read how reputable members write or behave in this forum. One more thing, this forum has respect for knowledge and not religious sentiment.

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