Why do you want to play on casinos without KYC requirements?

[goxcraft]

The risk of providing KYC is your data could be misused. Either directly from the one asking or due to mishandling and hacks. Theft of identity and thousands of complicated situation arising from it.
And with the crypto and gambling most people do want to stay anonymous for personal and legal reasons.
Even in my jurisdiction, gambling with crypto is a gray zone, I have never paid taxes on gambling profits and I don't want my government to know about it and providing KYC would make it easier for the government to blanket prosecute every users.

I think the main reason is that people want to protect their anonymous profile and the company having access to your data i know is part of their policy, its personal if you don't like kyc then you go for gambling sites that don't require KYC  even me am not a fan of kyc and their is a lot of reasons people don't like kyc but they feel if anything should go wrong illegally they will find it much more easier to trace the offender. With kyc they have given the government full access to tackle anything, anybody. Not that anyone his into anything but everyone is just trying to protect their data.

There are also other reasons for not doinG KYCs.. Most of us wants to maintain our online identity anonymous. By doing KYC we are exposing ourselves. They won't even need all the information. They just need the identification number and they can pull up every information connected with me. I don't believe these platform with KYC because there have been several cases of data leaks, breaches etc. They are just not as protective as they should be with our data. Imagine your identity is being sold on dark web just for 5-10$. Terrifying isn't it?

[leonair]

One reason is that we send our personal data to people who are themselves anonymous and essentially responsible for nothing. Another reason is that personal data can always be leaked. Also, it cannot be ruled out that sanctions may be imposed against any country or legislation may simply change, and funds may be frozen instantly

Most of the gamblers want to gamble without kyc requirement due to the purpose of hiding their personal documents and gambling anonymously. But due to casino license and some restrictions, it is not always possible to avoid kyc and play gambling. although it is possible to deposit without kyc in many casinos, kyc is required when withdrawing, or sometimes due to account problems, kyc is forced to keep funds safe. Because of this one should always use trusted sites which try to keep Kyc documents very safe.  So the possibility of documents being stolen is greatly reduced

[letteredhub]

1. KYC requirements reduce money laundering.
2. KYC requirements reduce under age gambling.
3. KYC requirements increase the possibility to hold people to account for their actions. (Exploiting casino systems)
4. KYC requirement reduce scamming
5. KYC requirements can be used to restore accounts after it has been hacked. (Using the documents that were used by the original owner)
6. KYC requirements adhere to government regulations and legitimize a casino.
7. KYC requirements can be used to reduce gambling addiction. (Identifying people that self-excluded or people trying to create new accounts)
8. KYC requirements can be used to enforce regional gambling restrictions.  

Sorry' KYC doesn't diminish all of these pitfalls you have listed above, don't make it seem as if with KYC all the enlisted are solved, because it's not.

1: money laundering racketeering mostly use kyc requirements gambling sites using forged documents to pass kyc. Because if the believe that kyc gambling sites reduces money laundry activities money launderers tend to use them more often as it will be less suspicious than when using a non kyc site.

2. This is a falsehood as underage can use the documents of parents or older siblings to pass the KYC process without the gambling site suspecting it.

I can keep disputing your claims on and on one after another but need not be since you're playing the devil's advocate. We are all gamblers and we know what's up on this debate.

[lixer]

One reason is that we send our personal data to people who are themselves anonymous and essentially responsible for nothing. Another reason is that personal data can always be leaked. Also, it cannot be ruled out that sanctions may be imposed against any country or legislation may simply change, and funds may be frozen instantly

Most of the gamblers want to gamble without kyc requirement due to the purpose of hiding their personal documents and gambling anonymously. But due to casino license and some restrictions, it is not always possible to avoid kyc and play gambling. although it is possible to deposit without kyc in many casinos, kyc is required when withdrawing, or sometimes due to account problems, kyc is forced to keep funds safe. Because of this one should always use trusted sites which try to keep Kyc documents very safe.  So the possibility of documents being stolen is greatly reduced

Many casinos wouldn't ask you for KYC verification even when you are trying to withdraw as long as the amount isn't very high. They let it passed and let you enjoy your gambling experience as long as they don't see any sudden changes or activities that make them suspicious about you or you don't start making larger deposits and withdrawals all of a sudden, that is when they are compelled to ask you to complete KYC verification to make sure things are okay and it's actually you using the account.

And it's not only about new casinos but many of the reputable platforms would allow you to deposit and withdraw small amounts without doing KYC because the amounts are of no concern to them. You make a $200 deposit and withdraw $100, they have nothing to lose or to be concerned about.

[Casdinyard]

Despite the numerous benefits of having KYC implementation and using sites/casinos that implement KYC in their login and verification system, these casinos do not have this one thing that makes no-KYC sites so appealing to the public—the convenience of not having to sign up and verify your identity across multiple sites over and over again. And to some people, you just can't put a price on that.

There's also the preppers who are so afraid of their information being sold on the ad market so they can be marketed with soaps and all other shit. Which I still can't wrap my head around but I guess it's just fair when the ones at the upper echelon never did anything right.

[Huppercase]

Why would you want to avoid being identified, if you gamble legally and if you are not a criminal? Let's discuss the reasons why KYC are not advantageous for the gamblers and casinos?

Ps. I am playing Devil's advocate... if you did not notice it. 

I was trying to see if you are been sarcastic about your thread but I see that you are serious about everything you said and listed.

There is this thing about not doing KYC and it's not about the things you listed. KYC break privacy and without privacy, you have nothing to protect and it's everyone freedom to protect their privacy. There is nothing wrong if you want to keep your privacy from the public, how you do, what you do and when you do is none of anyone business but when you do this kyc, all is gone because you have exposed everything about yourself to a company that you know nothing about but knows everything about you.

Furthermore, doing KYC isn't the main problem, there are many reports of KYC information been sold because KYC is a very profitable business on the dark web where people can use your information, they buy your data and use it for another thing you know nothing about. How will you react when you see your pictures on the national television for wanted for a crime you know no about. That's one thing to fear about KYC.

KYC might be a way the company might be protecting itself from theaw enforcement and other people but the more you look at these companies, the disadvantages of KYC outgrow the advantages of KYC and that's why people should avoid it if they can.

[seoincorporation]

KYC is sensitive data, and we don't know how the casino manages that information and how strong is the security on it, and the big risk about KYC is when hackers get access to those databases. No one wants their sensitive information like Mail, real name, phone number and address to be in the wrong hands.

For me this is my personal point of view and why i don't like the KYC process unless i really trust the site.

[Latviand]

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Note that some casino do share their data without necessarily committing a crime. They might have an agreement regarding data usage. Moreover, Data security practices especially sensitive user data are handled carefully and not regular employees are able to access it. Indeed there is a potency of data mishandling or hacks, but if someone truly has paranoia about their data being stolen or hacked, why would they commit a KYC verification in the first place?

I forgot about the part that they can do that if they added to their terms and conditions but yeah I know that, I work with data so I know that there's some level of user information that we share because we need to do statistics on our products and services. I am speaking from experience here and I am telling you, that most offices or workplaces that I've been into don't have that strict measure with their data, the only security they have is the clearance of the employees that will use the computers so I wouldn't say that with confidence that data is handled carefully. Also, if you know a thing or two about social engineering basics, you would probably held the threat of hacks and data mishandling with highest regard because it's sneaky at best. Your last question is a conundrum because if they're really paranoid then there's no way that they would've done that KYC verification in the first place, they wouldn't even think twice not doing the verification, they would just leave.

[mv1986]

I was thinking about this question over the weekend and I cannot seem to find legitimate reasons why people would want to play at casinos that do not require KYC verification.

1. KYC requirements reduce money laundering.
2. KYC requirements reduce under age gambling.
3. KYC requirements increase the possibility to hold people to account for their actions. (Exploiting casino systems)
4. KYC requirement reduce scamming
5. KYC requirements can be used to restore accounts after it has been hacked. (Using the documents that were used by the original owner)
6. KYC requirements adhere to government regulations and legitimize a casino.
7. KYC requirements can be used to reduce gambling addiction. (Identifying people that self-excluded or people trying to create new accounts)
8. KYC requirements can be used to enforce regional gambling restrictions.  

Why would you want to avoid being identified, if you gamble legally and if you are not a criminal? Let's discuss the reasons why KYC are not advantageous for the gamblers and casinos?

Ps. I am playing Devil's advocate... if you did not notice it. 

1. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
2. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
3. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
4. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
5. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
6. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
7. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.
8. No, with identity theft you can circumvent these measures.


The big problem is that these data collecting data krakens turn into honeypots and are the perfect targets for hackers. Inside jobs can be a threat, too. It is dangerous to provide data to less known gambling providers because their goal might not be to have you gamble as much as possible and lose as much as possible, but to get your data instead and sell it on the black market.

It is beyond me how you would counter gambling addiction with KYC when there are hundreds of operators that you can sign up an account with. The list for things that speak against KYC is so long that I doubt anybody has the time to put it all together here again.

But I think if you like to check out a quite comprehensive overview, 1miau has taken the time in 2020 to write down lots of problems regarding KYC. The thread is worth reading and drop some merit if you can for 1miau.

[vv181]

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Note that some casino do share their data without necessarily committing a crime. They might have an agreement regarding data usage. Moreover, Data security practices especially sensitive user data are handled carefully and not regular employees are able to access it. Indeed there is a potency of data mishandling or hacks, but if someone truly has paranoia about their data being stolen or hacked, why would they commit a KYC verification in the first place?

I forgot about the part that they can do that if they added to their terms and conditions but yeah I know that, I work with data so I know that there's some level of user information that we share because we need to do statistics on our products and services. I am speaking from experience here and I am telling you, that most offices or workplaces that I've been into don't have that strict measure with their data, the only security they have is the clearance of the employees that will use the computers so I wouldn't say that with confidence that data is handled carefully. ~

And that is just another problem, you did raise the important points. Regarding basic website analytics sites, like the daily active user, visitor, per day profit generated, and such kind of things that are general ones. But if we talk about user data, this goes to a sensitive position, and specifically in this case, if it is not being handled well, as you pointed out, that would increase the risk of how their users could get harmed.

Company or casino data practices is quite untransparent, that is because we did not know behind the scene. So the consequence is that we can trust an entity or certification that verifies the practice, for example, ISO 27001. Moreover, the regulation in which the casino resides does play a part in the license holder's data practises. So those things are the ones that should also be included in consideration.

[piebeyb]

And it's not only about new casinos but many of the reputable platforms would allow you to deposit and withdraw small amounts without doing KYC because the amounts are of no concern to them. You make a $200 deposit and withdraw $100, they have nothing to lose or to be concerned about.

Yes, that's the fact that I can withdraw money without having to complete KYC and provide my identity, that's why it's important for big gamblers who want to make large deposits and big bets to read the rules and requirements first so that there are no problems related to KYC and Others, we encounter many cases on forums that many of them cannot withdraw money because of KYC.

But that for big gamblers doesn't happen to small gamblers on average they never have problems and withdraw money without having to fill out KYC first during betting and carry out betting requirements correctly, everything will definitely be fine whenever money can be withdrawn and I often try to withdraw money hundreds of dollars is still considered safe without KYC on big sites

[Distinctin]

I often try to withdraw money hundreds of dollars is still considered safe without KYC on big sites

I'm in the same boat; that's my preferred range, so I don't encounter the need for KYC requirements. I believe everything is automated, and the KYC requirement won't be triggered as long as you are gambling within that range, i think less than $1k in transactions, including withdrawals and deposits would be fine. The site can continue to serve its gamblers because the amounts involved are not significant. This means that smaller gamblers enjoy more anonymity compared to those who are high rollers in gambling.

A useful technique, especially for sports betting, is for gamblers to open multiple sportsbook accounts and spread their bets. This way, they can stay within the lower betting levels where the system wouldn't trigger a KYC requirement.

[Awaklara]

A useful technique, especially for sports betting, is for gamblers to open multiple sportsbook accounts and spread their bets. This way, they can stay within the lower betting levels where the system wouldn't trigger a KYC requirement.

when the system reads this way, it can be dangerous for the accounts. never mind people gambling with small amounts of money to avoid KYC. but in the long run, perhaps more intense gambling will attract gamblers to gamble with more money. and finally, the account will be forced to undergo KYC.
actually, I didn't have any problems with KYC at the casino. The fear is when the casino eventually goes bankrupt and user data could be misused. We must wisely choose a casino that looks very good at protecting user information.

[Japinat]

KYC is sensitive data, and we don't know how the casino manages that information and how strong is the security on it, and the big risk about KYC is when hackers get access to those databases. No one wants their sensitive information like Mail, real name, phone number and address to be in the wrong hands.

For me this is my personal point of view and why i don't like the KYC process unless i really trust the site.

Would you truly consider playing on a site you don't trust? If your answer is no, then it follows that you might willingly comply with KYC requirements if the site deems it necessary. While there is always a risk, especially in the event of a hack, reputable sites operating within regulatory frameworks are obligated to adhere to standards ensuring the protection of our information from malicious attempts. In short, it's recommended to engage in gambling only on reputable sites that have earned your trust, should you choose to share your KYC details and documents with them.

[Distinctin]

A useful technique, especially for sports betting, is for gamblers to open multiple sportsbook accounts and spread their bets. This way, they can stay within the lower betting levels where the system wouldn't trigger a KYC requirement.

when the system reads this way, it can be dangerous for the accounts. ~snip~

I don't believe playing on multiple sportsbooks would violate the rules of a particular gambling site, so I don't see any risk in doing so. While creating two or more accounts on the same gambling site could potentially cause issues, spreading bets across multiple sportsbooks is generally considered safe.

Personally, I have accounts with at least five sportsbooks, and I haven't faced any problems with them. The intention is not to cheat but to explore the offerings of each sportsbook.

[Hirose UK]

And it's not only about new casinos but many of the reputable platforms would allow you to deposit and withdraw small amounts without doing KYC because the amounts are of no concern to them. You make a $200 deposit and withdraw $100, they have nothing to lose or to be concerned about.

Yes, that's the fact that I can withdraw money without having to complete KYC and provide my identity, that's why it's important for big gamblers who want to make large deposits and big bets to read the rules and requirements first so that there are no problems related to KYC and Others, we encounter many cases on forums that many of them cannot withdraw money because of KYC.

But that for big gamblers doesn't happen to small gamblers on average they never have problems and withdraw money without having to fill out KYC first during betting and carry out betting requirements correctly, everything will definitely be fine whenever money can be withdrawn and I often try to withdraw money hundreds of dollars is still considered safe without KYC on big sites

Indeed, we don't need to complete any requirements to make large withdrawals and it can also be said that we can gamble anonymously and avoid bad things such as selling data on the black market or others.
But at the moment I think most of the popular and reputable casinos have also implemented KYC requirements system when their customers make large withdrawals.
And in fact, there is no longer any need to be afraid of providing KYC if almost casino has implemented it and they are trusted in maintaining customer security and comfort.

Yes, it is true that one way to avoid problems related to requirements such as KYC is to read all the casino rules that have been set and agreed to by all customers there.

When it just small withdrawal there will never be KYC requirement but wouldn't it be better to complete it from the start just in case when one day we get big win we no longer need to complete verification to be able to withdraw it.

[Sunderland]

A useful technique, especially for sports betting, is for gamblers to open multiple sportsbook accounts and spread their bets. This way, they can stay within the lower betting levels where the system wouldn't trigger a KYC requirement.

when the system reads this way, it can be dangerous for the accounts. never mind people gambling with small amounts of money to avoid KYC. but in the long run, perhaps more intense gambling will attract gamblers to gamble with more money. and finally, the account will be forced to undergo KYC.
actually, I didn't have any problems with KYC at the casino. The fear is when the casino eventually goes bankrupt and user data could be misused. We must wisely choose a casino that looks very good at protecting user information.

That technique might works if you used different devices, IP's, source of funds/wallet addresses, do not place bet on a high risk games, must use a coin with a cheap transaction fees and else.
 From my experiences, I only bet on major leagues with the bet amount between $10 to $300 max and never been asked to do KYC at all.

I do prefer to play without KYC requirements, but that is soundly impossible if we want to play on Legal Casinos. So better choose any casino which not too strict with their KYC policies.

[junder]

KYC is sensitive data, and we don't know how the casino manages that information and how strong is the security on it, and the big risk about KYC is when hackers get access to those databases. No one wants their sensitive information like Mail, real name, phone number and address to be in the wrong hands.

For me this is my personal point of view and why i don't like the KYC process unless i really trust the site.

Would you truly consider playing on a site you don't trust? If your answer is no, then it follows that you might willingly comply with KYC requirements if the site deems it necessary. While there is always a risk, especially in the event of a hack, reputable sites operating within regulatory frameworks are obligated to adhere to standards ensuring the protection of our information from malicious attempts. In short, it's recommended to engage in gambling only on reputable sites that have earned your trust, should you choose to share your KYC details and documents with them.

I think it all comes back to themselves whether or not they mind the KYC updates that are required when we log in to some of the sites we choose, privacy may be a very important thing for some gamblers and on the other hand there are also those who don't really care about it, the level of concern is the main thing that plays a role in considering what their decision is.

If you really object to casino rules that tell or require you to do KYC then you are free to find another casino without such rules, I think this is not too big a problem if you can make perfect considerations about what you want and what worries you. One of the things that we can do may be as you suggest, if they are worried about the potential hacking that is always inevitable or very likely to happen then one of the ways that you can do is that you should look for some references from other people or reliable sources that can give you one of the KYC gambling sites that have a very good reputation and you trust the site.

[Solosanz]

I don't believe playing on multiple sportsbooks would violate the rules of a particular gambling site, so I don't see any risk in doing so. While creating two or more accounts on the same gambling site could potentially cause issues, spreading bets across multiple sportsbooks is generally considered safe.

I ever read about arbitrage betting using different casinos, maybe it's detected through the third party since the casinos are share their data with them. If there's pattern on how the user is betting, this will raise an attention from the providers or the casinos.

That technique might works if you used different devices, IP's, source of funds/wallet addresses, do not place bet on a high risk games, must use a coin with a cheap transaction fees and else.

It's legal to share a trick in public forum?

[Wapfika]

A useful technique, especially for sports betting, is for gamblers to open multiple sportsbook accounts and spread their bets. This way, they can stay within the lower betting levels where the system wouldn't trigger a KYC requirement.

when the system reads this way, it can be dangerous for the accounts. ~snip~

I don't believe playing on multiple sportsbooks would violate the rules of a particular gambling site, so I don't see any risk in doing so. While creating two or more accounts on the same gambling site could potentially cause issues, spreading bets across multiple sportsbooks is generally considered safe.

Personally, I have accounts with at least five sportsbooks, and I haven't faced any problems with them. The intention is not to cheat but to explore the offerings of each sportsbook.

There’s a chance that you encounter a problem by doing it. This is when you bet on same market using different sportsbook that use same book maker. Or when you are limited to one casino and you try to play using different casino just to bypass the limitation given to you by the bookmaker.

But if you are just a regular gambler that soortsbook normally, I believe there’s really no problem at all.