Is 1miau fit for DT?

[1miau]

That's not negative, that's neutral.

 

   Spreading deceitful bullshit and advocating for Putler's invasion against Ukraine + expressing his support for the Russians to kill more people in Ukraine. Engagement in such criminal activity is far worse compared to scamming someone. By legitimazing the invasion, Snork1979 passively helps Putin to kill innocent Ukrainians (and Snork1979 seems to be even proud of it). This is as disgusting as it gets.

This is negative then.

This is negative and deserved or are you saying the feedbacks on his account are trust abuse? I don't think so.  
It's deserved after making my due diligence.
Have you researched the user in question before making your judgement?

Also, none of the neutral you left were right, you are punishing them for thier political opinions, and then adding some other b.s words like (troll, spam) just to cover for the original intention, you are abusing the feedback.

Everyone is responsible for the calls they are making on the forum and I'm allowed to point out anything as long as I'm not violating DT standards. If someone doesn't approve that, he can simply add me to their trust list but (no surprise) very few people did that.
Did you add me to your distrust list finally as you seem to disagree with me here? If yes, that would be totally ok for me because that's also a consequence of DT and if someone doesn't think that someone's feedbacks are apropriate.

I won't reveal the victim's name, but he has some serious evidence of you extorting him to stop expressing his point of view in P&S in order for you to remove the tag.

The evidence of their abuse is well known after he had a big clash in this topic, where these abusers tried to silence a member by reporting them to theymos: User: Unknown01 threatens me with a forum ban for saying my opinion
In addition, they are the sort of guys who are responsible that the forum gets spammed every day that they can earn their weekly sig rewards.
Contributions to the forum? Nothing!
Instead, we even get plagiarism and when we call them out, they'll get aggressive because they know we have a point when we are pointing out how they are milking the forum with their shitposts.

It is so saddening that he can't post his accusations against you in public and he needs to secretly reach out to other DT members to protect him from you.

Well, wonder why he doesn't do it? Because he would get quickly exposed, what he did over the years. Hiding is all they can do and hoping that the moderators don't enforce any of these rules, like plagiarism. The abusers know that they can get away with it, they know it, so they will continue. Step by step they are destroying the forum just to earn some sats every week.
I'm completely fed up when I see how the forum is going down, after putting a massive effort into my posts to provide some quality for the forum, that the forum stays relevant.
Doing tons of educational topics, providing tons of helpful advice, warning about tons of nasty mistakes we can do in Bitcoin, doing tons of giveaways to give out Bitcoin for those who don't have as much as we have and to attract new members to the forum. All this seems to be wasted effort, more and more and we have to stop this. Either we contribute or we shitpost. I'm in favor of contributing.

I'm completely fed up, how these shitposters are getting emboldened, how they are able to send the Merit to their shitposter friends for trash posts because they know they'll get away with it. This is a big issue in the German section and I'm ready address this.
I've invested too much time in the forum at this point and other nice members have invested much time as well.
Our lazy shitposters don't put any effort into it, they don't even try! They are ridiculing the seriousness of the issues if we address this because they know there will be someone who'll embolden them.
There are already very few new members, at least in the German section and shitposters is what we don't need at all.
Still, they are getting emboldened for their bullshit!

That's how the forum dies!!!

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[mole0815]

I was also made aware of this thread and first had to sleep a night on it because I have already had a lot of experience with this drama.
I won't go into too much detail here because, to be honest, I don't have the nerves or the motivation.

Here is an example that I can show you because it was written in the appropriate language. If you understand German there are many more and then you would have already noticed that the behavior mentioned by mikeywith is a fact and it is not a question of whether different opinions (be it political, linguistic or whatever) are taken into account in evaluations and trusts.

And also I can confirm PN's of other users who don't want to mess with 1miau publicly (as that can have consequences if you don't want to damage your account here).
And I can also confirm that DT-Strength, the rules, the "Report to moderator" button and the linguistic superiority is used in many places to censor people who have different opinions (and no, it's not about right or wrong but simply different opinions)!

Especially the use of the "Report to moderator" button and not complying with all his wishes has made me 1miau's "persona non grata".
Anyone who hasn't noticed this yet will from now on at the latest.

And now - have a nice day and I am a friend of niceness, helpfulness and harmony... so I had to think long and hard about whether to join in here, but I swore to myself 1.5 years ago that I would address the topic at some point... and through this thread it has now come about.

//edit: Are these words that make neutral feedback appear neutral? Or were they only chosen or changed to neutral because negative would be against the rules? Do we actually have a history for comments left?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453:

Poly#Crypto is mentally ill like his friends s0nix + Koal-84, keep in mind when you are considering to trade. Would not risk any Satoshi.
Poly#Crypto is a piece of shit, supporting russian aggression: He has no problems when Russia started attacking Ukraine, and Russians are committing war crimes but Poly#Crypto has problems when Ukrainians defend themselves. How should we trust such an asshole? See also previous feedback.

It's not about the opinion he or you had. It's just about the way people treat each other here in the forum and Poly#Crypto unfortunately left the forum after that.
Or s0nix, who also left after this statement. I don't know the two of them personally and have never been in contact with them outside of the forum, but as an attentive observer there have unfortunately been some very bad scenes surrounding various disputes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60465020#msg60465020

[digaran]

Regarding the negative feedback, which I've sent to digaran, that's quite simple: if there's no reason to leave a feedback or the feedback is simply a false claim, then, the feedback is not appropriate. But for this case, there have been 4 red tags already. So, if that would be trust abuse, there would be 5 people abusing trust.
For trust entries, DT trust feedback standards apply accordingly.  
As always, we have to review the context.

I'm only quoting this part, according to you, if someone has 4 negative trust, they must be there for right reasons?
Can you show me your reason? Or in your opinion I don't have any rights to ask that?
This mind set is like, "if someone got stabbed 4 times, it's Ok to put him out of his misery by stabbing him for the fifth time, after all it was according to the standards"

I see no difference, 1miau refuses to provide any reasonable evidence, is constantly on the look out for approvals from other members, because he lacks the ability to judge people on his own.

If you read his posts, you realize why he is not fit to be on DT, you should read unedited posts though.

Edit, @mole0815, strength in numbers.👏

[mikeywith]

This is negative and deserved or are you saying the feedbacks on his account are trust abuse? I don't think so.  
It's deserved after making my due diligence.
Have you researched the user in question before making your judgement?

Yes i have, and i see no signs of bad trades, you never put any reference to it, your only excuse is that fact the he is a pro-Russian.

you for some fucking reason think that you alone can decide what proper feedback is, you need to wake up and smell the coffe, this is not your personal forum, you can not tag people for politic related shit.


Now for the victim, it looks like you are trying to justify yourself even before knowing who is the victim who sent me the proof of your extortion.

Have you ever offered to trade the removal of your feedback in return for someone to stop posting pro russian content in P&S?  The proof they sent me show exactly that, I have no clue what plans you have on denying those.

That's how the forum dies!!!

The forum dies when people are afraid to say anything that you don't like, it dies when you use a feature that was made to make the forum safer for trading as a tool to practice your hegemony.

@mole0815

So he reports posts for simply disagreeing with his views? Lol, seems like 1miau does not spare a single tool to punish everyone he does not like.

[mole0815]

@mole0815
So he reports posts for simply disagreeing with his views? Lol, seems like 1miau does not spare a single tool to punish everyone he does not like.

Yes.

Or exclude people with different opinions from competitions.

So, aus aktuellem Anlass wegen der abstrusen Kommentare von coco23 sehe ich keine Grundlage mehr, wie eine weitere Teilnahme am Gewinnspiel förderlich wäre.

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So, due to the abstruse comments from coco23, I no longer see any basis for further participation in the competition.

Strictly speaking, it's certainly allowed, but is that how it's done? I wouldn't do it.

However, I can confirm the things mentioned here in this thread and I don't need to say much more.
Feedback, Trust and also "Report to moderator" were certainly never intended for what they were unfortunately (very!) often used for.

[1miau]

The forum dies when people are afraid to say anything that you don't like, it dies when you use a feature that was made to make the forum safer for trading as a tool to practice your hegemony.

This statement is very cheap coming from someone who wants to dictate me, how I have to use the DT system, how I have to compile my DT list and dictate everything related to that. You are not in any position to dictate how I use DT, you are not in any position to dictate how anyone uses DT!

I was also made aware of this thread and first had to sleep a night on it because I have already had a lot of experience with this drama.

Nice to have you here, mole0815, I woudn't expect anything different from you after you already abused your forum moderator position for covering their abuses recently.
You have removed some of their plagiarism posts after I've reported them that these abusers don't get any punishment.
You are emboldening them by patting them on the back that their shitposts are fine and that's why the whole German section is going down.
As said before already:
You are a lazy prick who has lied all the way, also to discredit me with the final goal to turn the German section into a shitposting paradise.
You've shitposted massively yourself in your ChipMixer days and surprisingly, your post count is much lower now, which coincided exactly with when the campaign ended.  
You are a wasel enabler and this is known for a very long time to everyone who folowed your moderation practices.

You didn't act against simple rules abuses when your shitposter friends did clear rule violations, which I reported.
Back to back shitposts, and the moderator is sleeping, marking ma reports as "negative":



What a pathetic moderation practive.
Yes, I'm vocal about your abuses as a moderator and your abuses as a pathetic liar and shitposter enabler.

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So, due to the abstruse comments from coco23, I no longer see any basis for further participation in the competition.

Look at the rules, my competitions are quite clear.
Do you believe I want to give my valuable BTC to
Of course I will add certain rules to prevent these cheap ass trolls from getting some of my BTC for free and distribute it to deserving members instead.
Those, who are grateful to get some BTC, those who aren't abusing the forum for a few satoshit every week.
Why, WHY should I distribute any BTC to those, who are sprading hate and lies against me? WHY?
Tell me ONE reason!

The amount of BTC I've given to the community is unprecedented.

Your blind hate is truly disgusting, so thanks for showing everyone here what your moderation practices really are.
Instread of advocating for a good posting quality, you are enabling trolls, shitposters and other abusers because you are well part of their gang!

As said before:
I was doing tons of educational topics, providing tons of helpful advice, warning about tons of nasty mistakes we can do in Bitcoin, doing tons of giveaways to give out Bitcoin for those who don't have as much as we have and to attract new members to the forum. All this seems to be wasted effort, more and more and we have to stop this. Either we contribute or we shitpost. I'm in favor of contributing.

I'm completely fed up, how these shitposters are getting emboldened, how they are able to send the Merit to their shitposter friends for trash posts because they know they'll get away with it. This is a big issue in the German section and I'm ready address this.
I've invested too much time in the forum at this point and other nice members have invested much time as well.
Our lazy shitposters don't put any effort into it, they don't even try! They are ridiculing the seriousness of the issues if we address this because they know there will be someone who'll embolden them.
There are already very few new members, at least in the German section and shitposters is what we don't need at all.
Still, they are getting emboldened for their bullshit!

That's how the forum dies!!!

[Timelord2067]

There's quite a few users such as the one the OP mentions who are manipulating the DT trust system with coersion and false claims.

I can hear knives being sharpened.

[mole0815]

You are a lazy prick who has lied all the way, also to discredit me with the final goal to turn the German section into a shitposting paradise.

I'm not going to let you take this to a personal level.
My opinion has been expressed and this is not the right place for the issues that are likely to come up.

You didn't act against simple rules abuses when your shitposter friends did clear rule violations, which I reported.
Back to back shitposts, and the moderator is sleeping, marking ma reports as "negative".

Congratulations on finding my mod-mistake in a mass thread from 2 months ago.

If you are not satisfied with my work as a moderator, the meta subboard including public discussion about it would be the appropriate place.
This thread is about "Is 1miau fit for DT?" and not your dislike of me or other opinions.

[MinoRaiola]

Also, we have a particular case in hand, this is not the best place to discuss other members.

I understand why you are writing all this and you are not alone, there are more users.

Lets take his current actions in this thread as an example. He picks out every negative thing about me, you could call it narcissistic. We are all human, not machines controlled by AI. We have emotions and feelings and sometimes we are driven by our passion. What kind of boring and negative life would we lead otherwise? Mh, we can ask him, maybe he knows.

I dont want to call myself a Samaritan, but I was called a war supporter by him (wtf?). I invested a lot of money and time and brought food, clothes and other things for human in the Ukraine, who fled to poland. You chan show it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60458056#msg60458056
And I offert many apartments, daily 3 times fresh food and German lessons. Even a user here icopress, he can confirm that. I wanted to helped his family or friends, but it never happened. I dont want to go into any more detail, then I could write a book.

There are other users on the German board who ignore him because of his actions. This user are smart and cool guys, but he also attacks her. We now only let him talk (write), a few have tried to explain his crazy attitude to him, all to no avail.

A few examples of the opinions of users from the German local - you are not alone and there are more and more. If you would like to see them, I will look them all up over the last few years.

[1miau]

There's quite a few users such as the one the OP mentions who are manipulating the DT trust system with coersion and false claims.

I'm not guilty of that but you are.  

You are a lazy prick who has lied all the way, also to discredit me with the final goal to turn the German section into a shitposting paradise.

I'm not going to let you take this to a personal level.

I will tell it everyone here how it is, mole0815.
You have zero chance after all your cover-ups of this shit.

I have invested so much time to provide quality to the forum.
I have invested so much BTC to give everyone a little of my sig campaign earnings, while you have done NOTHING in your ChipMixer days except shitposting as much as you could.
You were openly spreading lies about me, when covering Unknown01, who tried to silence one of the German members by reporting him to theymos for simply saying his opinion. Who's silencing anyone?
The big problem is: some of our trolls aren't able to face any criticism. When they are being criticized, they are playing the victim card, that there would be "opression", that they are being "silenced".
They are not getting "silenced", they just can't handle criticism.  
And of course I will add rules that I'm not bothered that these abusers will fill their bags due to my generosity!

Still, you are shitting on all these achievements.

Lets take his current actions in this thread as an example. He picks out every negative thing about me.

It's not difficult at all to find negative things about you.
Normally, in a well and principled moderated forum, you would be banned long ago for your plagiarism.

A few examples of the opinions of users from the German local - you are not alone and there are more and more. If you would like to see them, I will look them all up over the last few years.

Thanks for showing who you are.
Let the hate flow through you.
Are you proud that you stepping up now to achieve your goal now of shitposting without consequences in the German section?
Well, we already know that this was possible to a certain degree right now, with mole0815 enabling you.  

[Timelord2067]

Add vendetta to coercion and false claims (not to mention getteting their *cough * facts skewered or back-to-front)

E.G.

I'm not guilty of that but you are

[mindrust]

No u.

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[mole0815]

I will tell it everyone here how it is, mole0815.
You have zero chance after all your cover-ups of this shit.

I have invested so much time to provide quality to the forum.
I have invested so much BTC to give everyone a little of my sig campaign earnings, while you have done NOTHING in your ChipMixer days except shitposting as mucb as you could.
You were openly spreading lies about me, when covering Unknown01, who tried to silence one of the German members by reporting him to theymos for simply saying his opinion. Who's silencing anyone?
The big problem is: some of our trools aren't able to face any criticism. When they are being criticized, they are playing the victim card, the there would be "opression", that they are being "silinced".
They are not getting "silenced", they just can't handle criticism.  
And of course I will add rules that I'm not bothered that these abusers will fill their bags due to my generosity!

Still, you are shitting on all these achievements.

I disagree with that because it is simply not true.
Unfortunately, your way of expressing yourself repeatedly does not correspond to any netiquette that I know of

If you are not satisfied with my work as a moderator, the meta subboard including public discussion about it would be the appropriate place.
This thread is about "Is 1miau fit for DT?" and not your dislike of me or other opinions.

There is nothing more to say for now and if there is, then please post it in a separate thread where you can accuse me of everything.
But please 1. not here and 2. including concrete information and evidence so that we can talk about it in a meaningful way.

[LoyceV]

Lying again 1miau?

But the only thing you are able to is to repeat the same bullshit again and again

This seems pointless. The two of you won't be able to resolve this any time soon.

it's always important to find a peaceful solution, to stop name-calling, to stop pouring oil in the fire.

Or, if a solution is futile: let it be. Ignore each other and move on. You can't agree with everyone on the internet, and that's okay. There's no need to agree. I'm tempted to start a "let's fight on controversial subjects" topic, but that wouldn't be very Switzerland to do.

I am not going to entertain you anymore.

Great! But why didn't your post stop right there?

Do you think it's fine to use the trust system against others for political disagreements?

Let me answer that by quoting theymos out of context:

In borderline cases, it should result in something of a political battle.

[Timelord2067]

Now the thin skinned DT Trolls are rallying around their kin.

Have you checked his trust feedback?

Definitely time to (grow a pair) show some leadership for this democracy of yours...

1maiu needs a Tilda for their trust feedback.

[1miau]

Lying again 1miau?

But the only thing you are able to is to repeat the same bullshit again and again

This seems pointless. The two of you won't be able to resolve this any time soon.

it's always important to find a peaceful solution, to stop name-calling, to stop pouring oil in the fire.

Or, if a solution is futile: let it be. Ignore each other and move on. You can't agree with everyone on the internet, and that's okay. There's no need to agree. I'm tempted to start a "let's fight on controversial subjects" topic, but that wouldn't be very Switzerland to do.

I can definitely agree to your approach as I'm always someone, who's open to give someone the benefit of doubt.
If someone doesn't like me, my trust list compilation, my trust entries, that's fine. Voice your opinion and vote me out of DT.

I would not care less, it's how DT works.
And I will accept whatever decision DT will come up with.

After all, DT is a decentralized system.
Who does not submite his vote, should not complain.

So yes, I'm open to fullfill the suggestion from LoyceV.

[Timelord2067]

This popped corn sure does need more butter.

Pass the salt, please.

[mikeywith]

This is not a personal issue between 1miau and I where it would end by one of us walking away, it isn't -- there is an obvious trust system abuse that need to be addressed.

1miau went to the extent of extorting other people, their silence in P&S for feedback removal, so what do you suggest, I should lock the topic and let 1miau abuse his DT position?

Edited: quotation order mistake

[LoyceV]

there is an obvious trust system abuse that need to be addressed.

In that case: there's far too much jitter in this topic to quickly see how obvious it is.

[mole0815]

So yes, I'm open to fullfill the suggestion from LoyceV.

100x suggested in various places and so far you have never accepted the ignore button because it does not solve the actual problem. But now it would help you here, so it is welcome

As I said, let's leave out the interpersonal aspects because, as you've said several times, you don't like me.
And I am a person who can live with that and will never put you on ignore because in my role as moderator I am responsible for all posts written.
mole0815 is not the topic here. This is purely about 1miau fit for DT? and the question of what the DT system does in such cases.

Unfortunately, I have a great weakness and that is not being able to stop saying something... but now I'll give it a try since everything has already been said by me on this topic.
And I almost dare to bet that the other issue (something about me or my role as a moderator) will soon get its own thread anyway.