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November 30, 2023, 04:19:54 AM
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I support some of the opinions of people here who say that gambling addiction is actually caused by excessive dopamine, whereas excess of anything causes bad things.
I mean when a gambler cannot control himself to control a mindset that is not too focused on gambling, dopamine certainly will not increase to a greater extent and some of the real supporting factors for me that can make a gambler addicted are just money.

we bet using money and we lose because of money and win also because of money. so the main factor is indeed dopamine and the supporting factor is money which might make us feel loss or pleasure when we win.

so I often say gamble and value whatever money you have to avoid increasing the hormone dopamine in the brain.

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November 30, 2023, 04:49:03 AM
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It's interesting to see some people's analysis of dopamine in the gambling area here,

The operating principles that I basically understand bring comfort, excitement, joy,... and they will react like a series of equations that require the conditions under which we operate to satisfy us. And with gambling, perhaps it's the greed for money, it feels as if we get everything from gambling, but the slaps that follow are losses. Perhaps when the addict has become dependent on doing that activity, they do not have much awareness to assess the level of the problem. Only to the point where the destruction is big enough for them to realize their mistake, but sometimes things are too late for them to save, and many bad stories in life follow that scenario.









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November 30, 2023, 07:40:06 AM
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I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.

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November 30, 2023, 11:02:03 AM
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Gambling addiction begins when we return to gambling more frequently because we find something that makes us interested in using it. When you gamble for the first time, maybe it won't have any impact on you, but after you finish gambling, whatever the result, maybe you will think about it again after a few hours so you will start looking for time to play it again. This will repeat itself over and over again until we don't notice it because we can enjoy it. When we win, it will make us even more curious about getting bigger wins. But when we lose, we become curious again and want to recover from that defeat another time. And so the gambling addiction begins so that you will continue to return more often than before with different goals than when you first started gambling.

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November 30, 2023, 11:34:00 AM
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When we become addicted to gambling it is very likely that we realize that we are becoming addicted to gambling. After becoming addicted to gambling we always want to gamble and we cannot stay away from gambling even if we want to. I am speaking from my side after I got addicted to gambling when I lost one gambling game after another I just thought why am I not giving up this game. I didn't try not like I tried so hard that I wouldn't gamble but I couldn't control myself. When one gambling game after another I lost and lost money then I thought I will quit from now on but after some time I again managed money somehow and I gambled again and lost money. In this way I was able to stop myself from gambling for a while and I was able to come out of that addiction.

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November 30, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
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Keyword: "dopamine"

I must say that once again it is a #TBT type topic.

Gambling is entertainment before anything else, and this activity happens with many other things, drinking, traveling, shopping, and a long etcetera.  Then the issue of addiction becomes consistent in the causes and solutions.

That is, there are symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals, regardless of what leads us to be consistent in our bets, after that, if one falls into uncontrolled dependence depending on what situation is in their control, that is, their dependence on symptoms It determines whether you are a hopeless addict or a person who can control their habits with therapy.

With this, it is important to highlight that it is "normal" to fall into dependence on the game, since in such circumstances those who are asymptomatic manage to get out of bad habits and even leave the game completely, but those who suffer from symptomatic cannot, hence they do an addict.

That is, unlike other addictions such as cigarettes, drugs, and alcoholic beverages, which are a metabolic source of this effect, gambling generates it naturally, it is emotional.

Therefore, as I have always mentioned, the best initial bet you can make is to pay for a consultation with a specialist who will determine how likely you are to be a gambling addict.

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November 30, 2023, 05:42:59 PM
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I support some of the opinions of people here who say that gambling addiction is actually caused by excessive dopamine, whereas excess of anything causes bad things.
I mean when a gambler cannot control himself to control a mindset that is not too focused on gambling, dopamine certainly will not increase to a greater extent and some of the real supporting factors for me that can make a gambler addicted are just money.

we bet using money and we lose because of money and win also because of money. so the main factor is indeed dopamine and the supporting factor is money which might make us feel loss or pleasure when we win.

so I often say gamble and value whatever money you have to avoid increasing the hormone dopamine in the brain.
Dopamine or not, it would really be that reall hard to resist once you do have able to feel out such emotion towards gambling on which on the time that you are experiencing that kind of fun plus having that intent
on making easy money then this would be the best combo that could really push you on playing up further on which it is really one of the main reasons on why people do really get addicted
just because of those kind of intents that they are really that molding up into their minds and wont really be stopping until they would really be that able to commit or reach out
such goal into their mind.

Self control and moderation would really be entirely be totally different on each person or individual on which there are ones who could be able to manage themselves
and there are ones who do really fail on doing so. This is why we do see different outcomes and situations when it comes to this on where
there are people who do able to stop and there are ones who had messed up their lives because of gambling.

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November 30, 2023, 05:45:26 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

To an extent, I agree with him. Although the luck part can not be swept under the carpet.

To gamble, you have to make up your mind that there are high chances of funds being lost, but in the case where you win, you will understand that luck actually has its own place in the entire process.
Expecting to win every gamble will draw you close to addiction, if you can stay away from it, then do but if you can't, ensure you have rules you adhere strictly to that will keep you off being wrecked.

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Gambling addiction always depends on psychological factors. There may be several of them, ranging from the inability to manage money to the inability to regulate your excitement and stop in time, ending with a feeling of loneliness and weak self-esteem. When a person wins, he feels significant, and an erroneous judgment is given about the importance of material well-being above all human principles. Some statistics say that less than 5 percent of gambling addicts are aware of the level of risk of their condition, and also that the percentage of recovered gambling addicts is very small since the treatment of this addiction is a long process that only a few agree to.

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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.



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December 01, 2023, 04:38:15 PM
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Gambling addiction is started from an uncontrolable emotional excited where one has stood to be lucky winning at most occasions of his gambling. So he could have the believe that everyone would always be his lucky days so all his time, energies and funds are channelled over to the gambling because its been a flexible means to make quick money. At this point, the gambler is believed that gambling is a source of income and he could just rely on it.

Can also be as that circumstances one has been unlucky to take winning in the gambling table and all he would wanted further is not about making income in the gambling anymore but to recover all that he has lost and then he may quit gambling totally which such possibilities maybe impossible.
Even if things get to turn around that he began to count little winnings, the impression would trigger him get lost of himself and so he would just want to bet and gamble exceedingly.

These are just how the gamblers additions is instigated and gradually nurtured til it is matured to inability to let go or not acts according to its normal nature being as usual.

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December 06, 2023, 07:01:14 PM
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Gambling addiction always depends on psychological factors. There may be several of them, ranging from the inability to manage money to the inability to regulate your excitement and stop in time, ending with a feeling of loneliness and weak self-esteem. When a person wins, he feels significant, and an erroneous judgment is given about the importance of material well-being above all human principles. Some statistics say that less than 5 percent of gambling addicts are aware of the level of risk of their condition, and also that the percentage of recovered gambling addicts is very small since the treatment of this addiction is a long process that only a few agree to.
It is not really that surprising, during my life I have met a few people that were addicted and that recovered and they told me it was the most difficult thing ever, and it is not difficult for me to believe them, as their body and their minds are telling them they need to do something to satisfy the inner cravings they have and they have to overcome those feelings through their sheer will, and this should make apparent the need to never go through that path, as if you do, there is no way to know if you will ever be able to leave it behind.

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December 06, 2023, 07:06:58 PM
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i don't look at it that way though when a person gambles for the first time, they also become happy especially when they win. but i don't see this person gonna be addicted unless he comes back over and over.
But that is how it goes mate, each gambling sites are doing their best to make a first time
gamblers felt comfortable and making their way to win as it easy as 123 so by all means they will come back to
gamble again , not to add about what we called "Beginners Luck" in which most of newbies are engaging themselves
in gambling and yes they are having a great wins , and I also believe that this same reason why gambling sites prohibit
players having multiple accounts because I was thinking for what reason we cannot create many accounts as we want
as long as we are not abusing their giveaways and bonuses?

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December 06, 2023, 08:17:37 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
I believe every gambler itself is aware that gambling is more of a probability, that's why some smart gamblers do not gamble if they think there is high probability of losing than seeing theirselves winning. But I don't think this is how addicted gamblers are starting to develop. But in most cases, it's the greed of money and the desire to see theirselves always in profits made them highly attracted to gambling and eventually, made them gambling addicts.

Gambling has its own way of deceiving the people most especially for those who have high passion in betting. Regardless if gambling is all about probability or not, that is not the case anymore as gamblers only focus on the possible profits they can gain in the future, that is if luck favored them everytime they decide to gamble.
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December 06, 2023, 08:24:30 PM
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What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than losing as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.
Gambling addicts indeed have everything as regards to knowledge and risks of losing at all times but still choose to look away from that and continue to gamble even at a loss,  this is significantly visible in many of the addicts and just as you have shared your experience of what it was like and what prompted your decision to gamble at all time,  it more clear to say that not only the none understanding of how the probability fairs system works but it goes beyond that to the extent at which greed to make a profit by all cost and also chasing after loses have been the most attributes that slide gamblers into addictions at some points.
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December 06, 2023, 08:35:57 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

Generally it is true, people who gamble day in and day out, in games that don't involve any skill but are engineered to give a specific negative payout ratio will never make you a long term winner. Take most slot games for example which have a return to player "RTP" value of 96%-98%, which means that for every 100 dollars you put in on average you will lose 2 dollars, but it is compounding over time against you and every bet is independent of the other. The worst part is there is psychological tricks that casinos will use to draw you in, potentially giving you a bunch of wins early in a session which give the illusion that you can beat them, but the wins become less frequent and eventually you lose it all, their systems are complete blackboxes which can be manipulated in all sorts of ways.

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December 06, 2023, 08:51:44 PM
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I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.
From your description it can be said that people who are addicted to gambling mean those who cannot control their gambling so that they don't know when to stop, even when they lose they will continue playing so that the losses they get can come back and make gambling a livelihood. It is true that this kind of mindset is often experienced by gambling addicts, many of whom do not realize that they are trapped in an addiction, they start to realize it when they have lost a lot of money.

Honestly, before I entered this forum, I couldn't control myself when gambling and I also didn't realize that I had the characteristics of an addiction, but since discussing on this forum my insight has increased and my mindset in gambling has also changed. In the past, playing gambling was just about trying your luck, but it turns out that gambling is not only about luck but also strategy and mindset.

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December 06, 2023, 09:13:23 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.
That's true, regardless of your reason it will still end on your purpose and understanding about gambling. This might be the start of addiction only if you don't know how to be more responsible and let's admit it that gambling is already part of the society and we can't stop this trend anymore, what we can do is to spread awareness and encourage gamblers to be more responsible and always stay on a budget to avoid addiction.

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December 06, 2023, 09:26:16 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Lucky or not, entertainment or a source of income, it will always depends on us on how gambling works for us or what is our understanding about gambling itself. Gambling will tell us who we really are. Gambling teaches us lessons we need to improve. A tactical guy once said "awareness buys you time and time buys you options". It clearly means in gambling that if we are aware about addiction, we still have time to react. Things can be settled before it get worst.
That's true, regardless of your reason it will still end on your purpose and understanding about gambling. This might be the start of addiction only if you don't know how to be more responsible and let's admit it that gambling is already part of the society and we can't stop this trend anymore, what we can do is to spread awareness and encourage gamblers to be more responsible and always stay on a budget to avoid addiction.
Everything should really be in moderation and if you dont like for yourself on getting that into a point that you are getting addicted to it then you should be responsible on whatever actions that you are making. Gambling isnt bad as long you are really that responsible with your actions because if you dont then most likely you would really be ending up on getting addicted to it and this is something that not a must thing to have or to happen. Addiction would start on the time that you would really be starting on having those kind of greedy aims towards it and this is something that you should
avoid in the first place on which you are really that making yourself that responsible and being mindful when it comes to spending.

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December 06, 2023, 09:35:28 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
When you think about all this I don't think that you will be fully engaged in gambling, basically gambling is a game of luck and I believe that some people doesn't think of the money they lose in gambling because they gamble because of fun whereas if you gamble to make profit by wining gambling I think you may have depression when you lose, and when you think and calculate the total money you lose in gambling I don't think that you will gamble again, so people that gamble they do it with two reasons either they win or they lose, so they gamble to catch fun why the poor gamble to get rich, so gambling is base what you have in mind, when I started gambling, I gamble to make money but now I gamble both for money and fun, I'm no longer desperate of wining gambling again because I know its a game of luck

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