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December 06, 2023, 09:43:15 PM
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Everything should really be in moderation and if you dont like for yourself on getting that into a point that you are getting addicted to it then you should be responsible on whatever actions that you are making. Gambling isnt bad as long you are really that responsible with your actions because if you dont then most likely you would really be ending up on getting addicted to it and this is something that not a must thing to have or to happen. Addiction would start on the time that you would really be starting on having those kind of greedy aims towards it and this is something that you should
avoid in the first place on which you are really that making yourself that responsible and being mindful when it comes to spending.
You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.
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December 06, 2023, 09:53:58 PM
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Everything should really be in moderation and if you dont like for yourself on getting that into a point that you are getting addicted to it then you should be responsible on whatever actions that you are making. Gambling isnt bad as long you are really that responsible with your actions because if you dont then most likely you would really be ending up on getting addicted to it and this is something that not a must thing to have or to happen. Addiction would start on the time that you would really be starting on having those kind of greedy aims towards it and this is something that you should
avoid in the first place on which you are really that making yourself that responsible and being mindful when it comes to spending.
You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.
Really stressful indeed , I could remember some time back when a close friend of mine was really obsessed with gambling because of the few Winning streak he had and this winning totally changed his perception and self discipline towards the act entirely, because he had the winning coming and was confident enough to say that he can keep it up for some time of which we all know that it's actually impossible as the losing streak are actually more frequent than winning and taking his gambler act as a means of always getting sure income was actually the wrong move as this increased his anxiety more to try and simulate those winning days and this lead to a very serious case of addiction to him.

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December 06, 2023, 09:56:42 PM
Last edit: December 06, 2023, 11:15:39 PM by Sandra_hakeem
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I think your description is for atleast 80% of the rate and frequency of gambling addiction - 20% could also be on a higher side with which it's effects stays probably between peer influence and boredom...

Sometimes, an addictive urge doesn't even begin with gambling; it's way better with other things, but gets worse if not controlled.. personally, (gender has got nothing to do with this) I cannot get addicted to something bad.. it just happens.

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December 06, 2023, 09:57:12 PM
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I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.

Gamblers who confuse these two terms money and fun in gambling tend to face difficulties and may end up addicted. It's common to find ourselves trying to get a return wining of how much we've spent in gambling, but the most important thing is figuring out when to stop and reshape as you did. Continuing that way can cause more losses and mistakes for gamblers. Hoping for a good day, when all the lost funds would turn into a jackpot. Playing for fun always has a separate reward for gamblers other than money. The fun is what we pay for, and if we fail to enjoy it, then the money is as good as wasted. Casinos should be seen as an amusement site for adults. Building networks and making fun of the results of fellow gamblers is the thrill of gambling. More like watching a football match. Some still don't understand why they keep on gambling despite running out of money. The brain now triggers the person to try again next time. Transient joy. Until the brain will not get excited through gambling, but the person now is addicted, and can't stop, even when gambling doesn't make them happy anymore. Addicts are not caught happy while gambling or after spending time and money on gambling. It's just that they can't deal without gambling. Otherwise, their life will seem empty and lonely.

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December 06, 2023, 10:19:02 PM
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You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.

The gambling activities should not be controlled,the important one is the gambling addiction should be take care by the gamblers.So he will prevent themselves from the big loss in the gambling site.The gambling is most probably the risk taking using the probability option in the gambling site.If the gambler trends to continuous win in the gambling also leads to the gambling addiction to the site.Some people think only the gambler who made a continuous loss to the gambling site will become the gambling addicted person.The gambler should understand their luck is because of the gambling techniques he had build in the gambling site.It's not meryl because of their luck,this help to reduce gambling addiction.

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December 06, 2023, 10:24:05 PM
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Op I clicked the link but I am seeing only YouTube videos and there is no article to read. But I know that people start gambling to the addiction stage from different angles. Gambling might be a task but I don't think it is a tax for them to pay. Yes gambling is a game of probability which means it is 50/50. Either you win or you loss. People start gambling and becomes addicted to it through the first winning of the game and when they loss they would like to win back their lost and that is the beginning of the addiction journey. And the fun in gambling comes from the the funds. Example, when you gamble with money and you win then the fun has started Abit if you loss then there will be no fun to continue the game.

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December 06, 2023, 11:37:58 PM
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If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

When gamble, the house has all the advantages as they determine the odds for the games, if you win you're lucky and it isn't because you have a trick that you use and others aren't using. Gambling is a fun activity but can also be very dangerous when it turns into addiction. We have those individuals that understand the probability of gambling but still want to gamble not for the probability of winning but because of the feeling they get from gambling.

Gambling is a fee you pay for entertainment as you'll get entertained when you gamble. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you'll be having a good time therefore paying that fee will always be worth it. When you win all the losses doesn't matter but as a smart gamblers we should always take note of our wins and losses to try to make them be at an equal ratio so we don't gamble on losses but always be in profits or not losing. Gambling is very addictive that it doesn't matter what's happening around us but what matters is we're enjoying gambling.

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December 13, 2023, 07:00:47 PM
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Really stressful indeed , I could remember some time back when a close friend of mine was really obsessed with gambling because of the few Winning streak he had and this winning totally changed his perception and self discipline towards the act entirely, because he had the winning coming and was confident enough to say that he can keep it up for some time of which we all know that it's actually impossible as the losing streak are actually more frequent than winning and taking his gambler act as a means of always getting sure income was actually the wrong move as this increased his anxiety more to try and simulate those winning days and this lead to a very serious case of addiction to him.
While a gambler will always welcome a big win or a winning streak, sometimes this is the worst thing that it could happen to them, because even if they know very well that gambling should not be able to produce them any profits no matter what they do, once they get a taste of that money they will want more and more, so they stop taking care of their money and instead they begin to bet as if the odds were in their favor, and when they realize the massive mistake they have committed there is not much they can do about it anymore.

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December 13, 2023, 07:11:31 PM
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Read this transcript of Basically, your opinion.

The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I
this is a one sided analogy regarding peoples thought process before even starting gambling. For some, this is true because they just want to have fun and really become too concerned about the amount they use in the course of the gamble, others start gambling because for some, they've watched how the whole gambling process works and have gambled in their mind and have seen results and just feel it's only wise to put in an extra effort in doing anysid into the given gambling to understand it more and after a  while, you see them fully emerged in the activity of gambling.

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December 13, 2023, 08:37:09 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
Even if we do really say up into ourselves that we do only play just for fun and entertainment but on the time that you are already on the field on which you are already playing gambling then all of these things would really be changed up along the way and its not something new and this is why gambling business is profitable on which it is really just that because gamblers are really that impulsive when it comes to these things on which on the time that they do gamble then they would really be having that kind reaction on which it is really that very common. You might be saying to yourself that you are really just that playing for fun but on the time that you are
already playing then this is where it do changed up on the time that you would be making some consecutive loss on which it would really be that so common that you would be chasing up those things.
Addiction starts on the time that you would really be continuing on playing despite of the condition that you are in. You cant really just that easily accept that you are really that losing money
but still tend to chase up and hoping that you could really be able to recover.

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December 14, 2023, 09:57:15 PM
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Read this transcript of Basically, your opinion.

The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I
this is a one sided analogy regarding peoples thought process before even starting gambling. For some, this is true because they just want to have fun and really become too concerned about the amount they use in the course of the gamble, others start gambling because for some, they've watched how the whole gambling process works and have gambled in their mind and have seen results and just feel it's only wise to put in an extra effort in doing anysid into the given gambling to understand it more and after a  while, you see them fully emerged in the activity of gambling.
Gambling addiction mostly start gradually without us knowing the further effects of what we are doing for ourselves. We need to make sure that we better responsible and not bet as if we are very desperate to make profits immediately as a gambler. Gambling is a clean way to make money for ourselves and we should not allow the urge to make money makes us to become too ready to be gambling everytime. We need to plan and endeavor to be discipline when we gamble and not allow our greed to make us to over gamble which could be detrimental to our health. Anyhow, we need be focus and bet in a way that we understand.

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You should remain in control for every gambling activities because we know how risky it is and we know a bigger probability to become more addict in gambling than to actually make money here. Its a pure of luck game, and becoming greedy should not be in your option. Always be responsible, this is the basic fundamental that you can have on every decisions that you will make, gambling is fun but if its too much it can be more stressful.

The gambling activities should not be controlled,the important one is the gambling addiction should be take care by the gamblers.So he will prevent themselves from the big loss in the gambling site.The gambling is most probably the risk taking using the probability option in the gambling site.If the gambler trends to continuous win in the gambling also leads to the gambling addiction to the site.Some people think only the gambler who made a continuous loss to the gambling site will become the gambling addicted person.The gambler should understand their luck is because of the gambling techniques he had build in the gambling site.It's not meryl because of their luck,this help to reduce gambling addiction.
If gambling activities cannot be controlled, it means that every gambler has the potential to carry out each activity beyond the limits of their abilities or the time limit that should have been set.
Controlling gambling activities is very important and can pressure someone into gambling for longer time, moreover this can also provide advantages in minimizing losses while reducing the possibility of someone becoming addicted.
And gambling is indeed an activity that involves taking risks with certain probability, but there are still various ways to avoid all existing risks, even gamblers can determine what risks they will take depending on the initial goal of gambling.

But the understanding that gambling is only place to enjoy pleasure and simply entertain oneself must always be available, this is form of understanding that is embedded in the gambler mind and puts pressure on gambling addiction.
Meanwhile, luck has nothing to do with gambling addiction because luck is about person fate and addiction is an excessive attitude towards the desire to gamble continuously.
I don't will say luck can be an aspect that can reduce gambling addiction.

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I have never experienced an addiction, it's just that I have been quite active in playing and always think about spending time at online casinos every day and every result I get is quite disturbing because my brain is always thinking about the game, but what makes me play often is because I want to continue earning, if today's fails, I will think that tomorrow is the time to make money and cover previous losses and so on until I realize that gambling is not a place to make money and this is just an activity that must be realized to get pleasure so that the money used is what we can afford to lose, more than that will bring people are addicted.

Gamblers who confuse these two terms money and fun in gambling tend to face difficulties and may end up addicted. It's common to find ourselves trying to get a return wining of how much we've spent in gambling, but the most important thing is figuring out when to stop and reshape as you did. Continuing that way can cause more losses and mistakes for gamblers. Hoping for a good day, when all the lost funds would turn into a jackpot.

I think most gamblers knew what is money and fun in gambling, its just that some tend to forget the purpose why they gamble because they think they could eventually win. These people are what the OP was talking about who don't fully understand the mathematics of probability in gambling. A regular gambler won't gonna win back everything he lose since day 1 in the long run 99% of the time. He might be able to hit a huge win but that won't still be enough to cover all the funds he lost, plus it will eventually going to lose it again anyway just as the cycle of gambling will continue.

but the person now is addicted, and can't stop, even when gambling doesn't make them happy anymore. Addicts are not caught happy while gambling or after spending time and money on gambling. It's just that they can't deal without gambling. Otherwise, their life will seem empty and lonely.
Uhmm IMO, gambling is what makes a gambling addict happy because that is the remedy of their urges. Just think of a person who got addicted with other things too and also just like what you've said on your last statement "their life will seem empty and lonely" if they can't feed their gambling urges, so that's basically being unhappy right?

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Honestly, before I entered this forum, I couldn't control myself when gambling and I also didn't realize that I had the characteristics of an addiction, but since discussing on this forum my insight has increased and my mindset in gambling has also changed. In the past, playing gambling was just about trying your luck, but it turns out that gambling is not only about luck but also strategy and mindset.

It’s a good thing then that you’ve seen the error of your ways and have made some positive changes. Most addicts do not have their eyes open to the reality that they’re addicts and would get angry and confrontational at anyone who is close enough to tell them the truth.
You’ve opened your mind to actually having a gambling problem and that’s when you became open to changing your lifestyle. Gambling may for a large part be a game of luck but there is certainly strategy and discipline involved.
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Op I clicked the link but I am seeing only YouTube videos and there is no article to read. But I know that people start gambling to the addiction stage from different angles. Gambling might be a task but I don't think it is a tax for them to pay. Yes gambling is a game of probability which means it is 50/50. Either you win or you loss. People start gambling and becomes addicted to it through the first winning of the game and when they loss they would like to win back their lost and that is the beginning of the addiction journey. And the fun in gambling comes from the the funds. Example, when you gamble with money and you win then the fun has started Abit if you loss then there will be no fun to continue the game.

The link leads to a page with YouTube videos, and OP requested that we read the transcript. If you want to watch instead of reading you can start watching from 1:33 where Andreas talks exactly what OP wants us to read. His opinion on gambling is correct; the amount we lose is the price for temporary fun. Gambling provides a thrilling experience whether you win or lose, and that's the temporary fun he's talking about.
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.
From a former gambling addict perspective ? i completely agreed with his Analogy because for how many losses i've experienced  I now understand that gambling is not a place where people can become rich(of course there are some lucky one) instead this is the place where operators and owners going to rich one way , the design of each game is favoring the creator/provider and never the player/depositor .
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.

Gambling is a tax for people who don't understand the mathematics of probability. If you understand how probability works,  you can't ever rationally gamble. The only reason you would gamble is if you decided, "I am going to lose money; the fun I have while I am losing money is worth it." "I am paying a fee for temporary fun." But most people cannot do that. Once you become drawn into the game, the gambling process triggers these responses. You start getting confirmation bias, selection bias, and survivor bias. These are known cognitive biases. The person who wins thinks they were lucky, but they don't think about all the times they lost. As you are doing this, it is triggering your dopamine centers.

I agree with most of these statements. Another thing that contributes to the gambling addiction is a variation of the "sunk cost fallacy" or when a gambler starts "chasing loses". The gambler loses a big amount and he believes that luck will somehow return to him and he will magically get back all his loses and even get some profits. This is pretty close to delusional behavior.
I've always wondered why lottery is being called "a tax for the stupid" while nobody is calling gambling a "tax for the stupid". Grin
Maybe gambling should be called "tax for the delusional". That doesn't mean that I'm anti-gambling. Gambling games exist for centuries and they will never cease to exist. The people should play gambling games, if they find fun and excitement, but they should gamble moderately and with caution.

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We are all humans but we are all different, what could spike an addiction in me can be a total turn off for you, in the world of gambling anything is possible, anyone can become an addict in any possible way, some starts their addiction after the lose their money, and that's loss chasing.

The majority of gamblers get addicted when they win in their first game, this is the most popular way for anyone to become a gambling addict, someone who have no past gambling experience will probably lose his mind if he wins some few rounds when starting out in gambling.

Both loss chasing and first win are too common as the ways that gamblers get addicted to gambling, instead of accepting that you are throwing money away and make it harder for the house to win over you, people instead choose to run after how much they can make.

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December 17, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
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Read this transcript of Andreas Analogy of how gambling addiction kicks off and tell me if you think he is right or not. Basically, your opinion.


He is right in many of his opinions about gambling you treat gambling as fun and you're paying for it but eventually, you are lured to thinking that you can make money the word Andreas attaches to this is confirmation bias, or cognitive bias when a player continues to because of luck or from their effort the dopamine is building up which turn to gambling addiction.

So the activity that you treat to be just fun because of the triggering of dopamine turns you into a gambling addict you may not be aware of it because the dopamine keeps you logging in to play, you may think that you paying to have fun and you think its ok but those around you think you are not.

You start to lose money, you start to lose time, and your relationship suffers because of your cognitive bias that it is all just for fun when in reality you are addicted.
The cure to this is always opening up to your loved ones so they become your important party to gauge if you are still good or already having it too much.

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December 17, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
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We are all humans but we are all different, what could spike an addiction in me can be a total turn off for you, in the world of gambling anything is possible, anyone can become an addict in any possible way, some starts their addiction after the lose their money, and that's loss chasing.

The majority of gamblers get addicted when they win in their first game, this is the most popular way for anyone to become a gambling addict, someone who have no past gambling experience will probably lose his mind if he wins some few rounds when starting out in gambling.

Both loss chasing and first win are too common as the ways that gamblers get addicted to gambling, instead of accepting that you are throwing money away and make it harder for the house to win over you, people instead choose to run after how much they can make.

Yes you are right in both but I think first time win is most crucial and trap for winner and most people who gamble laugh at first time winners that they would start losing afterwards. They see it as a welcome bonus given to those winners as they just tasted gambling. Most times this allusion seem to be the case because surprisely the winners may not have any more winning after several attempts.

Therefore, I consider first time winners as those that get hooked up in addition because they want to taste such winning again and unfortunately they may not be able but they keep trying instead of them to come to the reality that they just got lucky to win, thus they could reduce their playing times and bankroll to gradually stop but addiction doesn't allow someone to think properly  Grin

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