Live my life as a mod

[paid2]

Aaaah the "Off topic" board in FR section

What a hell ! All my sympathy for you Halab, I guess it's not fun reading all that for the sake of moderation lol.

For my part, I'm "praying" that a bull will bring us more BTC-oriented conversations in FR section, that would be nice.

Are there no limits to everything, even here on Bitcointalk ?

Perhaps the only potential limit is the boredom of conversing with 2 or 3 people on the same subject again and again?


Below is an illustration of the French Off Topic board mood:

[suchmoon]

Damn, but aren't such words a kind of death threat? so these posts should be deleted.

The way mods here seem to interpret the rules, only direct threats at a specific user would result in a ban, and even that's not always enforced. Saying that someone should be killed (but not directly saying "I'll kill you"), or that an entire nation should be exterminated is not considered a specific death threat... despite potentially breaking the law in some or many jurisdictions.

Just to be clear, that's not my opinion on the matter but an observation over the years of this shit happening here and reporting it. I personally don't see how genocide propaganda could possibly be good for the forum and if I were a mod I'd delete such posts.

[Becassine]

Halab est un modérateur mauvais et paresseux. Connard et idiot

Nothing personal, just relaying what I heard from some members of our community

Listening to the rumors in the corridors is not interesting and neither is reporting them.

Our moderator is very good, he does what he can and is currently forced to read horrors and clearly members who are crazy.

They just have to go to specialized hate forums of all kinds. The French forum is dying because of all these assholes who want to kill everyone. Obviously that doesn't attract crowds.

These psychopaths should just take their morbid press reviews elsewhere. Halab is an excellent moderator and he proves it by asking this question. I'd rather he fires all these idiots than resign.

I want Meuuuuuh back and all who wrote interesting threads.

[nutildah]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that 98% of the forum has never visited the French Off-Topic section. Today was the first time I ever did. I for one don't care at all what goes on there. But if a post advocating the murder of one or many people is reported and I was mod, I would delete it... If they do it again and its reported again, perhaps a temp ban in order with a message telling the user how they are violating forum rules. For the 3rd time, a permanent ban is in order.

This happens in P&S all the time but these posts aren't deleted, they probably aren't even reported:

Anyone in Ukraine providing material support to Russia should be killed.

..but the big bastards like people who have any relation to ISIS, Al-qaeda or terrorist groups should be killed, even one who speaks for king salman or for jehad should be killed.

Saying Trump is an asshole that should be killed doesn't mean I don't think that Hilary should be killed too...

all mi5/6 worldwide should be killed, until the last, toielt cleaners included.

[Halab]

Some information and quick answers.

I deleted the message from user D. I had little doubt about it.
I left the message from user C. In the meantime there have been replies, and I know user C, he's very provocative (and he responds to other provocations), but he's not an total idiot troll. And (*)

Make a quarantine section in the local board called "Politics and Society" (but in french I guess) and just require all posts on the topic to be there or else they will go to the trashcan and also turn off notifications (for yourself) on that board.

The "Hors sujet" (off topic) section is already our Meta/P&S/OT section.

Just lock the thread.

If I lock the topic, I've got 3 new ones opening up within 15 minutes, crying for injustice, censorship and infringement of freedom of speeeeeeech !!!

Do whatever you like?
You are the mod. You should decide.

A mods job is to stop such kind of shit discussion before it reaches a stage when personalization or pointing fingers starts based on religion.

No, a mod can't do whatever he wants, it's not that simple. If it were up to me, we would all have the same haircut and talk about football and Miss France .
And I have tried many times to reduce the pressure between the same members by advising them to ignore each other because they will never change their minds. But it seems that for some, talking about the conflict between Israel and Palestine (or whatever) is their priority in their life.

I would delete all of this comments or threads and would be forward that to the Global Moderators and theymos and Cyrus.

From my own experience, admins and GMs don't get too involved in this kind of case. You need clear evidence, and trolls know how to play by the rules.

Below is an illustration of the French Off Topic board mood:

Fake picture, the glasses of red wine are missing .

The French forum is dying because of all these assholes who want to kill everyone. Obviously that doesn't attract crowds.

Chuuutt, it's well known that everything is my fault .

The way mods here seem to interpret the rules, only direct threats at a specific user would result in a ban, and even that's not always enforced. Saying that someone should be killed (but not directly saying "I'll kill you"), or that an entire nation should be exterminated is not considered a specific death threat... despite potentially breaking the law in some or many jurisdictions.

(*) This.

[Bitcoin SV]

Halab est un modérateur mauvais et paresseux. Connard et idiot

Nothing personal, just relaying what I heard from some members of our community

Listening to the rumors in the corridors is not interesting and neither is reporting them.

Our moderator is very good, he does what he can and is currently forced to read horrors and clearly members who are crazy.

They just have to go to specialized hate forums of all kinds. The French forum is dying because of all these assholes who want to kill everyone. Obviously that doesn't attract crowds.

These psychopaths should just take their morbid press reviews elsewhere. Halab is an excellent moderator and he proves it by asking this question. I'd rather he fires all these idiots than resign.

I want Meuuuuuh back and all who wrote interesting threads.

I'm not even sure that this moderator is French. This is probably why he doesn’t understand the requests of people who write in French.

I was told that this moderator does not fulfill user requests. He only knows how to refuse requests. Instead of fulfilling his moderator duties, he does what he wants.

But other moderators are more accommodating

[Sandra_hakeem]

Look, you ain't got no business with whatever thing they say.... except you believe but like you said, you don't believe in religion so you shouldn't be hesitant to obscure every form of tribal or religion wars/ retaliations.
yunno why I said this? A time will come that some daft-headed fellow would lay down a threat in here to some known, opposite religious fellow and that won't be nice at all.. you are a moderator; stick that off your board and trash 'em.... This isn't a religious site!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[mikeywith]

despite potentially breaking the law in some or many jurisdictions.

Just to be clear, that's not my opinion on the matter but an observation over the years of this shit happening here and reporting it. I personally don't see how genocide propaganda could possibly be good for the forum and if I were a mod I'd delete such posts.

genocide propaganda is probably illegal in most if not all countries, such comments could be removed by "authority force",  these comments put the forum at risk, probably not much less than mixers, except that -- nobody had ever cared enough to point fingers at the forum for being an open-platform for genocide encouragement, but for how long? I think it would be best to remove the P&S boards altogether -- delete everything non-crypto.

What does Bitcoin gain from debating these conflicts here? exactly.

[Xal0lex]

Damn, but aren't such words a kind of death threat? so these posts should be deleted.

The way mods here seem to interpret the rules, only direct threats at a specific user would result in a ban, and even that's not always enforced. Saying that someone should be killed (but not directly saying "I'll kill you"), or that an entire nation should be exterminated is not considered a specific death threat... despite potentially breaking the law in some or many jurisdictions.

I have was consulted with theymos on this issue. I posted the results of this consultation in my post here. It doesn't have to be about a user on the forum. Prohibiting specific calls for violence on the forum also applies to anyone outside the forum or any nation.

[shahzadafzal]

Wow, that sounds like a really challenging situation. It's unfortunate when members take discussions to such extreme and offensive levels. Moderating such topics must be quite a task. You should do what you have to do... "moderation"!

I'm too lazy to find the exact quote, but Theymos said "the aim of this forum is to be as free as possible".

Yes you are right theymos always talks about free speech and the quote you are referring to, I guess is the below one.

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible.

But at the same time theymos advocates about much needed moderation too, he said it many times that "free discussion" is not "unmoderated discussion".

This forum exists to provide a platform for the free (but ordered) exchange of ideas. If you have an idea to express, then it is probably possible to do it here as long as you follow the rules.

the forum's mission of hosting free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. (As explained above, "free discussion" is not "unmoderated discussion".)

everyone should be free to express any idea unless doing so infringes on the equal right of others.

So you should continue the moderation to keep the "things" within the rules and limits of a free speech.

[suchmoon]

Damn, but aren't such words a kind of death threat? so these posts should be deleted.

The way mods here seem to interpret the rules, only direct threats at a specific user would result in a ban, and even that's not always enforced. Saying that someone should be killed (but not directly saying "I'll kill you"), or that an entire nation should be exterminated is not considered a specific death threat... despite potentially breaking the law in some or many jurisdictions.

I have was consulted with theymos on this issue. I posted the results of this consultation in my post here. It doesn't have to be about a user on the forum. Prohibiting specific calls for violence on the forum also applies to anyone outside the forum or any nation.

Doesn't apply when BADecker does it though...

[LoyceV]

The topic in question is already in the off-topic section.

The English off-topic section has this description:

Code:

Other topics that might be of interest to bitcoiners.

Does that apply to your local section too? If so, why not just lock the topic?

I'd likely delete all comments or threads with ~ hate speech

What is "hate speech" is highly subjective. Apparently Irish Lives Matter is hate speech nowadays. It looks like calling things "hate speech" is used more and more to silence opponents. So let's not go there.

[ABCbits]

Just lock the thread.

If I lock the topic, I've got 3 new ones opening up within 15 minutes, crying for injustice, censorship and infringement of freedom of speeeeeeech !!!

AFAIK Bitcointalk is hosted/located on U.S. where first amendment doesn't apply to private platform. So you could mention that fact with some external references such as this one https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18682099/supreme-court-ruling-first-amendment-social-media-public-forum.

[paid2]

The English off-topic section has this description:

Code:

Other topics that might be of interest to bitcoiners.

I've never found that description logical. If we want to abuse language and play with words, we could start from the principle that we are all bitcoiners here (apart from a few newbies, perhaps?), and that following this logic, anything written by one of us here represents an interest for bitcoiners, since only bitcoiners write on this forum... 

In the case of the topic mentioned by Halab, we can assume that the topic is of interest to bitcoiners, as some of them post there on a daily basis...

[wallet4bitcoin]

Irrespective of what once stance may be on a particular subject, it does not give an avenue for such campaign. Wishing or mentioning that one must be killed or death be the consequences of people just because of their religious beliefs is not a welcome development.

Where on earth did the humanity in humans go to? I have seen and heard of these on social media and other places and the last place I expect to see such is in here.

As much as this forum might be neutral on certain issues. it is not a tool to incite violence of any sort.

[Latviand]

OMG, why are you hesitant? Why are you even asking? You should ban them both, is that really so hard man? Do you need permission to do the right thing? Ban them and let them come here for appeal, THEY WON'T. believe me because the community will scar them for life if they appeal.

This is not about free speech, this is encouraging violence and is actually a serious crime, please don't let criminals roam this forum that easily.

I agree, it's definitely not free speech if you're intending to hurt someone over stuff that you're passionate about, that's probably the most deplorable thing someone with a belief can do, to try and see those outside of their beliefs as uncouth and evil that can never have a different opinion, inciting violence is such a Twitter thing and I don't think anyone in this forum even likes Twitter. It's admirable that OP is hesitant about this because he respects the person behind those stuff and why they're saying is second only to his concern because OP believes in absolute freedom of speech which isn't the best one albeit the ideal one, so I think helping in and weighing in would help OP and at the same time let's us see a glimpse in what they're dealing with all day.

For me, if someone were to start threatening me or using their faith as a shield against their beration or slander just because I didn't share their faith or that I somehow disagreed with their beliefs, I automatically lose respect for them and either I tell them that the faith they're in is just a leash that let's them act in an unnatural way.

[Becassine]

Halab est un modérateur mauvais et paresseux. Connard et idiot

Nothing personal, just relaying what I heard from some members of our community

Listening to the rumors in the corridors is not interesting and neither is reporting them.

Our moderator is very good, he does what he can and is currently forced to read horrors and clearly members who are crazy.

They just have to go to specialized hate forums of all kinds. The French forum is dying because of all these assholes who want to kill everyone. Obviously that doesn't attract crowds.

These psychopaths should just take their morbid press reviews elsewhere. Halab is an excellent moderator and he proves it by asking this question. I'd rather he fires all these idiots than resign.

I want Meuuuuuh back and all who wrote interesting threads.

I'm not even sure that this moderator is French. This is probably why he doesn’t understand the requests of people who write in French.

I was told that this moderator does not fulfill user requests. He only knows how to refuse requests. Instead of fulfilling his moderator duties, he does what he wants.

But other moderators are more accommodating

I know who you are : you are Tullius Détritus. (The one who screws up in Asterix and Obelix "the discord")

French or not it doesn't matter, what matters is that Halab speaks and writes French better than most people in the French part.

He's an excellent moderator and the "I was told" is really the Tullius Détritus method: either you have proof or you shut up.

But that's off topic Tullius 

[DVlog]

OMG, why are you hesitant? Why are you even asking? You should ban them both, is that really so hard man? Do you need permission to do the right thing? Ban them and let them come here for appeal, THEY WON'T. believe me because the community will scar them for life if they appeal.

This is not about free speech, this is encouraging violence and is actually a serious crime, please don't let criminals roam this forum that easily.

I agree, it's definitely not free speech if you're intending to hurt someone over stuff that you're passionate about, that's probably the most deplorable thing someone with a belief can do, to try and see those outside of their beliefs as uncouth and evil that can never have a different opinion, inciting violence is such a Twitter thing and I don't think anyone in this forum even likes Twitter. It's admirable that OP is hesitant about this because he respects the person behind those stuff and why they're saying is second only to his concern because OP believes in absolute freedom of speech which isn't the best one albeit the ideal one, so I think helping in and weighing in would help OP and at the same time let's us see a glimpse in what they're dealing with all day.

For me, if someone were to start threatening me or using their faith as a shield against their beration or slander just because I didn't share their faith or that I somehow disagreed with their beliefs, I automatically lose respect for them and either I tell them that the faith they're in is just a leash that let's them act in an unnatural way.

Isn't this the practice of the west where you can mock anyone or hurt anyone in the name of free speech? Our criticism should be based on facts and respective words not only by using foul words to defame someone.

[JollyGood]

This is an excellent insiders view of one aspect of what happens within the forum from Staff/Moderator perspective. It is particularly poignant because I (and I would state probably most of us) have have never read something like this before.

Having to read through vile comments, to delete post or having to ask members to refrain from posting about various subjects (and/or sending a warning to them for persistent behaviour) cannot be easy for the average person to deal with on a near daily basis. Carnage as you described it, seems apt.

Slightly away from the essence of why you created this thread, what is the staff being paid to moderate the forum and does pay vary?

For once this topic is not going to be a topic of a member complaining about a moderator, but of a moderator complaining about the members of his section.
~snip~

[LoyceV]

what is the staff being paid to moderate the forum and does pay vary?

Mods have a Bitcoin address in their profile. If you're curious: check the blockchain.