Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

You’re not a part of the campaign neither do you have any thing to do with the project so why hurry to post this thread?

I consider it a situation in which the OP is only seeking attention and nothing else; if not, then why not have he or she not read carefully the quote that he included in his post? I don't think the English in his quote was so difficult to understand, given that he can write what everyone here understands. Or better still, we have to start thinking his topic was created by an AI, and he failed to also translate the quote to his native language so he could understand what Royce had said. I expected that it was a Sinbad participant that was even supposed to create this kind of thread, but instead, it was a non-participant, or maybe we can agree that it's an alt account of a Sinbad participant.

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[mikeywith]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him.

Good luck getting any support for that flag, any rational person would evaluate the accusation in its full context not just the part that says "Royse777 did not pay me"

But seriously, who wants to be on OFAC list for a hundred dollars or so? And do not tell me "this is all the money I got, I will starve without it" because it is better to be broke than on that sanctioned list.

Given that some participants take payments directly to exchanges, there is no doubt that the payout will immediately put many people at risk including Royse, this is a risk not worth taking IMO.

[Poker Player]

Good luck getting any support for that flag, any rational person would evaluate the accusation in its full context not just the part that says "Royse777 did not pay me"

There is no flag, as far as I can see.

But seriously, who wants to be on OFAC list for a hundred dollars or so?

No one. The fact that no one from his campaign has protested demanding that he be paid is significant. If I were the OP I would simply lock the thread because leaving him open looks like it will only garner more opinions against him.

[BitcoinsGreat]

Are you retarded? Read the quote in your own message.

The US gov. just sanctioned Sinbad, do you really want all the sig participants to be placed on an OFAC list as a result of receiving these particular coins?

I was the participant of this campaign and i received funds from this escrow address few times.

My concern is that should i be worried about this ? I do not live in the US and the funds are in my Electrum wallet. Can law enforcement agencies can approach me 

[Rikafip]

US customers buying and selling crypto is a privilege, not a right?

George Carlin - You Have No Rights.

My concern is that should i be worried about this ? I do not live in the US and the funds are in my Electrum wallet. Can law enforcement agencies can approach me  

As long as you keep bitcoin that you received from mixers away from services where you did KYC, you should probably be fine.

[yahoo62278]

I'm not sure why the fuss here? If you controlled the funds in the escrow address, would you send money from them with the warning that was posted? Take the loss folks and move on.

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

[digaran]

My concern is that should i be worried about this ? I do not live in the US and the funds are in my Electrum wallet. Can law enforcement agencies can approach me 

If they already blocked your account, you can explain that you have received those coins before LE announcing that mixer illegal and that you had no prior knowledge of anything related to criminal activities of the said mixer, so legally you are OK, however if now after it has been established that the funds were illegally obtained, whatever you do from now on, you will be considered a complicit in their crimes, so if you don't send to CEX now, you are OK. you might as well use a mixer, I'm not going to say which one, but you know which one I'm talking about.😉
@yahoo, so we should send address to CM via PM? cool idea.

[FatFork]

I was the participant of this campaign and i received funds from this escrow address few times.

My concern is that should i be worried about this ? I do not live in the US and the funds are in my Electrum wallet. Can law enforcement agencies can approach me 

If you keep your coins in your own non-custodial crypto wallet, no one can access them without your private key.

Could the cops or whoever still figure out it's you if you slipped up and left an internet trail back to yourself? I mean yeah, technically they could if they really wanted to dig into things and connect some dots.  But why would they bother for such tiny buys or sells that got nothing to do illegal stuff happening? You're small potatoes man, they aren't gonna care.

[AprilioMP]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

The case is serious and I am considering not to touch any funds that is in the escrow address right now unless I speak to a lawyer. This means no one is going to receive anymore payments unless I have a direction from the lawyer. It's for the safety of everyone.

I do not participate in campaigns managed by Royse777 but I have an opinion on this topic. So, let me give my opinion based on what I know about what constitutes a scam, although I have the freedom to express my thoughts on all topics published here unless a topic has special requirements that make it impossible for me to leave a response.

Fraud is an effort carried out intentionally to benefit the person of the perpetrator at the expense and harm of others. The definition of fraud can generally be found in many sources so that you can interpret the truth.

From what I understand the meaning of Royse777's statement in the part you quoted in the OP, Royse777 has not decided not to send funds to participants as a result of the work they have done. He will not touch the funds from the escrow wallet to avoid things that impact him such as legal problems. He also made an exception, he would only pay if there was direction from the lawyer.

Royse777 publishes publicly about the funds it has and explains what it will do with these funds.
From which point of view a campaign participant can make accusations — to him that he committed fraud. CMIIW

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I have no idea how to find the specific post, but I brought this up a while back.  It wasn't in the form of a suggestion if I recall, but a question as to why those spreadsheets are made public.  I got a bunch of answers.  And now here we are, all paranoid about what lists and what addresses might be on those lists are being kept by our elected thieves.  Dang, I'm thinking shit probably ought to have changed a long time ago.

[Husires]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

It wouldn't be difficult to trace a single transaction with a specific number of output addresses that received payments with a similar balance and was broadcast within the last hour or two.

The difficulty will increase if the transaction processing time is not specified, a new address is given for each week, or payments are added manually to the mixer algorithm.

[Shishir99]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I guess I have seen this already. I guess it was Royse777 who handled the campaign and the campaign was bettercallraul. The spreadsheet was hidden the campaign participants only had access to the spreadsheet. So, this won't be bad for campaign managers to hide their campaign spreadsheets even though sometimes people spot errors on those spreadsheets, and sometimes scam busters use these spreadsheets to match data between users.

[tranthidung]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

The point is it is not enough.

It starts from the beginning, the Escrow address of the campaign fund. Because people usually ask for campaign fund in an Escrow address and some managers publicly announce that address, it is a start of nightmare.

So if the Escrow address is known, nothing later will make sense even the whole spreadsheet is hidden and private.

I know even don't announce the Escrow address will not make sure all campaign participant's addresses will not be blacked list when a service is sanctioned but maybe it will require more steps from the CIA. to do this.

[Obari]

Do you read above message just above Royse778 message you have mentioned? Some user included me, received message from Binance that we recieved fund from Sinbad signature Escrow address and we have to give cleanliness that from where we recieved fund and what is our relationship with address owner. It can result to seizing of users fund so What Royse is doing is best for community.

Please did you get to answer the questions from bknance because I'm stocked and I don't want to make silly mistakes with my answers so I'm pleading for you to give me some head way to answering  the questions please as I also got an email from binance too.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon

[yahoo62278]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

The point is it is not enough.

It starts from the beginning, the Escrow address of the campaign fund. Because people usually ask for campaign fund in an Escrow address and some managers publicly announce that address, it is a start of nightmare.

So if the Escrow address is known, nothing later will make sense even the whole spreadsheet is hidden and private.

I know even don't announce the Escrow address will not make sure all campaign participant's addresses will not be blacked list when a service is sanctioned but maybe it will require more steps from the CIA. to do this.

My point was that none of it be public. The only known is between the manager and the company. The manager can confirm they're holding a balance and can pay for the week or whatnot, but not publicly release an address or spreadsheet.

Can stuff still be traced through the blockchain? Yes, but it will be made a little harder as whoever might be watching will have to watch the blockchain day and night and look for similar transactions and then piece them together.

[TheUltraElite]

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Not a campaign participant myself and neither is the OP, but I worry more about Royse777's well-being surrounding this case rather than the fact of one week of blotched campaign payments. Not to mention the campaign participants who may get dragged up to this if any further movement from that escrow wallet if occurs.

Making the spreadsheets public but with the address's tab omitted seems to be a option worth seeking. Although it is fairly easy to check up public addresses posted by any user and also helps track alt-accounts from that data if kept public.

[avp2306]

To erase the doubts by people like OP and settlement of the issue like this much better if Royse contact the owner and ask them to grab a new balance away from being used on their mixer then pay those participants. And once they are paid then he can return back the tinted funds to the owner of Sinbad.

Its so hard to released the funds handled by Royse since if government will trace out each transaction made for sure they will be traced. Government who handle the case could ask the data's on the exchangers where it last land and ask the identity of the owner of this addresses, from that for sure they will be in huge trouble.

People need to think carefully about this since this is serious case.

[SamReomo]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments?

Are you okay or there's something wrong with you? The manager isn't sending payments to the participants because he want them to be safe from the actions that can be taken against them if they receive payments from that wallet.

Royse777 is just a campaign manager who was managing the funds of that wallet on the behalf or Sinbad for paying the participants who were promoting it on their profiles. He isn't doing any fraud and everyone agrees with whatever decision Royse will take for safety of them.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Stop saying such rude words about a campaign manager who has been doing really great on the forum for a long time and he has proven himself worthy of trust. You're saying these words because you have some personal issues I guess with Royse, I would say keep your personal issues with yourself and stop promoting such hatred towards a guy like Royse.

[digaran]

To erase the doubts by people like OP and settlement of the issue like this much better if Royse contact the owner and ask them to grab a new balance away from being used on their mixer then pay those participants. And once they are paid then he can return back the tinted funds to the owner of Sinbad.

In other words, you are suggesting that he should secretly cooperate  with criminals, like nothing has happened? Are you actually suggesting how to return stolen funds back to the thieves? I'm sure those criminals if have any honor, they would send clean coins to participants, and forget they ever had that amount in escrow address, but I guess there is no honor among criminals.

[Gladitorcomeback]

Do you read above message just above Royse778 message you have mentioned? Some user included me, received message from Binance that we recieved fund from Sinbad signature Escrow address and we have to give cleanliness that from where we recieved fund and what is our relationship with address owner. It can result to seizing of users fund so What Royse is doing is best for community.

Please did you get to answer the questions from bknance because I'm stocked and I don't want to make silly mistakes with my answers so I'm pleading for you to give me some head way to answering  the questions please as I also got an email from binance too.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon

Obari, no need to worry, I hope their will be no serious action against user who received payment. Honestly i didn't recieved any reply from BINANCE after submitting form. Form just contained sample inquiry like

Do you known wallet owner?
What relationship you have with address?
what is the purpose of  recieving payment?
 and at the last send screenshots or documents for proof

In my country there are no strict rules. crypto transaction is banned in our country but still no inquiry has been made against anyone. I withdraw all my fund after I recieved message and now I am feeling comfortable now.