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Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Do you read above message just above Royse778 message you have mentioned? Some user included me, received message from Binance that we recieved fund from Sinbad signature Escrow address and we have to give cleanliness that from where we recieved fund and what is our relationship with address owner. It can result to seizing of users fund so What Royse is doing is best for community.

Are you retarded? Read the quote in your own message.

The US gov. just sanctioned Sinbad, do you really want all the sig participants to be placed on an OFAC list as a result of receiving these particular coins?

Regardless it's to save the participants or not, but he as a campaign manager need to take care with himself because if the government want to catch anyone that associated with Sinbad, he could be the first target, then the participants. The participants need to understand about that, except there's a participant ask the payment.

But he has a point, he meant the participants need to use new address and they can trade it through no KYC P2P or DEX without link your identity (if the previous Bitcoin address is linked with CEX or your identity).

Lol, there is no need for a lawyer, just contact whatever agency involved and claim no involvement in their operations, you were just a manager unaware of anything illicit, and now that funds are considered stolen funds, anyone asking for a payment will be marked as a thief, do you guys want that?

CONSIDERED STOLEN, does anyone know what that means? Imagine in your city, you work in a mall, then police comes and says everything in this mall was stolen from other people, would you say the manager has to pay your salary from these stolen funds while the police is watching?

After going through this thread^[1] I just realized that you’re not actually interested in the campaign participants getting their money instead you want to make Royse777 look like a scammer. Because I don’t see why anyone who’s in his right state of mind would create this type of thread despite all that is happening right now.

You’re not a part of the campaign neither do you have any thing to do with the project so why hurry to post this thread?

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468985.0

Read the US Treasury Department press release: Treasury Sanctions Mixer Used by the DPRK to Launder Stolen Virtual Currency (https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933) which was released on 29th Nov and escrow address of the campaign will be under the investigation radar of officials so do you expect to face a felony charges for few bucks?

If I were a participant I choose not to get involved with the company anyway further, lucky me I wasn't part of it so neither were you so what you are concerned about?

OP is so funny thinking that he can tempt us to demand and give malice to Royse's action when he has no business discussing this.

On point, checking his trust he has an ax to grind against Royse, watching him make mistakes and making him look bad to the community.

If you are anonymous @Royse, do not reveal your identity, you should consult with a lawyer but it's better to leave him out of the equation. Also read your own disclaimer on your topics.

Leaving aside the title, which is directly false, and you only have to see the quote that the OP himself puts, I imagine that those who have not deposited the satoshis from the Sinbad campaign in a CEX like Binance will not have had problems: those who have sent them to a bitcoin ATM or have bought gift cards or deposited in a casino of those advertised on the forum, for example (I am obviously ignoring those who simply HODL).


Working for a mixer and depositing what they pay you in a CEX, even more by doing it just like that, without going through a previous coinjoin for example, I don't quite understand, I would appreciate it if someone could explain it to me.

On the other hand, Royse777 is right to consult a lawyer before making any other move, as things stand.

It's obvious that some members of this forum still haven't learned the difference between custodial and non-custodial wallets, but they also obviously weren't familiar with what they were promoting. When this situation happened last time, we did not have such "problems" - no one complained and everyone was paid.

What I don't understand though is whether those who got asked by Binance to explain their connection with that address used Binance to deposit their signature campaign earnings, or they first got money on their own non-custodial wallets and then moved it to Binance?

I mean, neither of those are smart things to do but I am curious how deep Binance actually goes in their investigation.

I think that you are way too zealous on throwing stones. I don't see any part that tells that people will not be paid at all. It only tells about a delay because of the talks / certainty he needs.
I can understand that it's an unpleasant situation (plus bad timing because of the holidays), but this kind of situations need mostly patience.
I think that Royse777 will come - sooner or later - with updates and probably also with the payments (from that wallet or from another).

Royse is preventing funds from getting seized which is a good decision rather than just allowing each user to deal with it.

The participants can talk about what to do with funds, maybe trade they can sell the coins to Royse himself and Royse send them the stablecoin in exchange for those BTC. Its possible and let Royse handle those coins in his wallet, is it possible that his wallet is already tagged?

It goes to show how much campaign participants do not use the service they promote. Because if they did, they would not deposit the bitcoins into a centralized exchange directly. I don’t think coinjoin helps because I suspect Binance may just add the user to their watchlist. I thought we all expect a platform that requires its users to perform KYC will not accept mixed or as they like to call it “tainted” coins. Binance is doing a lot of crypto policing these days, and considering recent events in the company it seems they will be willingly to do anything to get in the good graces of crypto regulators.

I think Royse777 made a good call. No manager wants to be in this type of situation.

I think that in the event that the funds went directly from the campaign address to CEX, there can be no doubt as to where they came from and that is a problem for anyone who received payments in that way - while in the event that there is another address in between, there can be justified suspicion that the client is not directly connected to the mixer.

I think that CEX never seriously analyzed the transactions in the sense that it froze funds that have to do something with "mixed coins" that are not directly related to any major crime. In other words, I never got bad feedback from the people I sent payments to their B accounts, but of course I never allowed those transactions to be in any way connected to the addresses I used in the campaigns. In other words, even though the coins were "mixed", it was never a problem for the exchange.

Now that makes sense, digaran.  Neither the manager nor the campaign participants had any knowledge of wrongdoing on sinbad's part--and how could they?  All of these charges were just recently made public.  Mixers aren't illegal in the US as far as I know, so everyone involved in the campaign was acting in good faith by assuming sinbad wasn't guilty of something....kind of how we should treat any project that doesn't show obvious signs of shady shit going on.

The justice department goes after big fish, not minnows.  If they took any action against campaign participants, I'd be very surprised.

I agree, since there's a lot of uncertainty at the moment as to what the feds might do.  I have my doubts about them trying to track down a bunch of people who didn't profit massively from sinbad or even use their service, but you just never know.

As for me safety comes first. Royse777 has been managing campaigns without any issue till now. And I'm pretty sure he'll solve this issue very professionally. As for the funds, it should better stay where it is now. Not a good idea to stir the situation any further. Also, I don't see any participant complaining about due payments. Everyone understands, how difficult and complicated the situation is. So there is no need to force anything or anyone.  :)

But what if they don't pay at all? Do you think that would warrant for negative trust? I would like to know your opinion, or wouldn't be better for him to just share all the funds between participants?

It's not about the us government going after them or the FBI raiding their homes or some SEALs team popping from their Christmas presents  ;D

The problem lies with he fact that on the indictment you have this:
https://ofac.treasury.gov/recent-actions/20231129

http://sinbadiovklgdbafpqvwfwjh2tfrisahtxmrskiovt62nirragcnkcad.onion;

That's not Sinbad mixing address but the address Royse777 is paying participants from.
Of course, is a confusion, but to sleep peacefully you have to:
- explain the exchange why their crappy AML bot flagged your funds as from coming from a sanction address under terrorism suspicion - good luck
- mail OLAF and tell them that wasn't used for mixing it was used for advertising the mixing service they closed and ask them to change the document - good luck again with your suicide wish

So, bottom line, I wouldn't touch those coins even if they were free or you would pay me double to get them!

No onion links, you will get banned, feds haven't left yet.  You guys starting too soon to resume the usual operations.😅

They are probably going very deep with investigations now, since they had to pay big fines recently and CZ was almost arrested, but he probably made a deal to pay over $4 billion.
I don't understand people who are still using centralized exchanges, they can always ask you this questions and freeze your account even if you have virgin-like coins.
Anyway, I would not blame Royse for this decision, he is in tricky place right now.

It is a problem if he is controlling keys for that address, but they probably added it because of connection with original sinbad address.

Hope this isn't some collateral damage aimed at hurting Royse777 reputation with what Haas happened with Sin, but with the communication given this isn't only done to protect Sig participants especially that this has been a long running campaign meaning identities could easily be uncovered from these KYC compliant exchanges as it's expected that some of these coins ended up there..and already exchanges such as Binance have an interest in any transactions that have interacted with that Sig escrow address.

Check screenshot shared by Binance affected user    


Tbh I think this is a bold decision taken by CM to seek best recourse as coins received could affect users legally in the real world, and to minimise the damage best to get legal advice from a cybersecurity lawyer or something before payments go out ...

Is it that you can't post onion links on the forum? Where did this information come from? Can I have a link to this information where you read this, please. Because, for example, in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0) there are onion links to mixers. Is OP threatened with a ban if he doesn't remove these links from his thread?

So you think it's just a matter of creating new addresses and sending funds in there? Then you must be dumber than I think you are.
The escrow address is already on the watch list, the outputs will probably be under watch as well. The law enforcement will be trying to look for every possible link to the creator Sinbad. This is a real life situation not some movie or fantasy

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He probably didn't understand what Theymos posted.

Op this thread was not to be created if really you were following up the discussion in the defunct Sinbad Signature Campaign thread. And the warning was not only from Royse777 but from other people to steer clear. Op it's like you prefer your to be tannish because of money more than having a good name. This is a clear case both the forum and outside the forum that Sinbad mixing company was used for money laundering and all those participants received money from the escrow address were suspected and Binance sent them messages to clear themselves by filling a special KYC form and here you are saying that Royse777 should use the money that is in his possession to pay the workers.

Yes the money is with and that is the fact but he can pay the participants because of the case for now. And he said it in the campaign thread before closing and locking the thread.

The escrow address for the campaign is under sanctions and anybody interacting with it could face legal problems. The last thing forum users want is to be subjected to privacy invasive interrogations simply for writing some mundane posts on BitcoinTalk whenever they try to transfer their funds. Some might feel like participants deserve compensation for their efforts but it should not come at the expense of the manager who risks legal problems if they knowingly violate sanctions.


At least 7 people were receiving campaign earnings directly to their Binance account.
https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/tx/bf0ba9d8a31df0c39e7114d767761c8b9c6bd48ae93ed69982363b7a54be99b9

And that's the real problem, the fact that they posted it whiteout checking what it means, so we have two things right now
- some funds that are ( as far as I know) in Royse777 control that came from sinbad, with which he can choose to do whatever he wants, return it, send them to OLAF, screw the entire forum by sending dust to each posted address <<< seriously don't do this !!!
- an address has already go labeled as dirty, and this s*** won't get fixed, it simply won't
I've seen bad AML bots flagging exchanges addresses as bad, casino payments address as suspicious and so on,  once this will spread everything that came into contact that address will become "suspicious" for these morons, so if it hasn't happened already (unsure about that screenshot someone posted) some might find themselves in trouble maybe tomorrow or in 6 months from now if they will deal with a CEX that is using one of those stupid tools.

So my advice for participants would be to try to clean whatever coins have been already received and not spent a bit before sending them to any business, and retire the address you've used to get payments till now, might sound like fearmongering to some but I'm just saying how I see things from my perspective.

The user that could create this thread will be someone that's that's after Royse777 because none of the campaign participants complain of the BTC in the escrow wallet why would a user that's barely active will create a topic about the issue that the forum member are watching closely not mention about the DT member that's among the campaign participants.

It didnt cross your mind that this could be someone involved with the campaign but just didnt wanna use his main account to talk about this touchy subject?  I feel like that makes a heck of a lot more sense than assuming some random guy decided to open a topic on something that dont really concern him.

Is members of sinbad.io campaign not aware of the issues that is happening between sinbad.io and law enforcement agencies currently, so what I stand to tell you is that Royse can only pay participate whenever every thing is settled and if sinbad.io remember to her participants, because right nobody will question royse or lay any accusations for not paying the participants because is not his fault, its the fault of the company and its open, according what I read concerning chipmixer, when the issues of chipmixer came I believe that chipmixer did not participants that week and even now, because the participants have seen with their naked eyes the company had issues with government, so any campaign manager is being hired as you who is a participant is being hired by a campaign manager, you being a campaign manager doesn't mean that you are a staff of their company, all of you is being hired, that is what I want some of you to understand

From where do you want the campaign manager to pay the participants? Escrow address cannot be handled anymore due to the email being sent to few participants from Binance. If an exchange is sending email asking for clarification then it means the investigating team has reached them for information. Until everything has been sorted out it is better not to touch that wallet. You guys cannot blame the manager or pressurize him for payment as it is not his fault.

I'm not going to discuss religion and morality here, but a simple fact, because you guys refuse to understand, that address is marked for holding illegally obtained coins, AKA stolen coins, so anyone here talking about getting paid with that money, deserves a negative trust, anyone touching that money by sending it to anyone other than law enforcements, also deserves a negative trust. You can not so blatantly talk about getting paid with a money which belongs to someone else, on a clear net forum, if anyone decides to do that, should get tagged accordingly to show the LE, that we do not condone such behaviour and anyone promoting such behaviour does not represent this community.

Criminal and freedom fighter is not the same, unfortunately I know that people here depend on such payments, and that brings tear to my eyes, but you should really stop discussing this. Just think about this:

If one day you say hey instead of Hello and someone feels offended, they will find your post here and use it to punish you, this is a normal bitch making tactic used here, BEWARE!😂

I'm surprised they don't have more Bitcoin addresses on that list.

No. You can't post links to illegal services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416985.msg63245518#msg63245518) and you'll get banned if you try to bypass "http://[directing people to darknet sites is not allowed].onion/" (for instance by adding a dot in between the URL).

1 address is Kucoin exchange deposit address.

CFTC said that the case of Binance is just the beginning. CFTC says access to US customers 'is a privilege, not a right,' in aggressive case against Binance that is only just getting started (https://www.businessinsider.in/stock-market/news/cftc-says-access-to-us-customers-is-a-privilege-not-a-right-in-aggressive-case-against-binance-that-is-only-just-getting-started/articleshow/105457448.cms).

Kucoin is one of exchanges that has advantage from Binance legal issues, but do they learn from this and do the same like Binance to flag the sanctioned address?

I guess they will do it.

US customers buying and selling crypto is a privilege, not a right?

Think of it that way, not in the way they phrase it for exchanges.

If all exchanges cut their service for US customers, what will be left for them? I guess Coinbase (with their shady IRS fondling techniques) stays regardless? But even they want to move their headquarters elsewhere.

So much for "We're the leading edge of crypto innovation".

Who the fuck are you? You are not here to help anyone. You are here to ruin someone's reputation and this is not the first time. Aren't you the one who send Pm to his clients and asks not to hire him because he was part of a casino? Aren't you the one who was crying after Royse left you negative feedback? You are not helping yourself by doing this. It's ovbious why you are doing this. Now, If you create another thread for any legitimate reason, people won't give you a fuck because they know you are just an attention seeker.

You are entitled to +1000 merit for this post.

If you want, you can take my payment in this campaign. Or maybe part of all the campaign participants. I just saw someone who hates too much like you, you are really talking nonsense

Hate is far from what I sense here, unless the users have some past dealing with the said manager. If not, what I sense here is trying to buy favors from people who are in the campaign, making it look as if he states a fire. People are not aware of, when there is literally nothing hidden in there, and when they see the post members will be like „fvck, yes, this dude has a point.“ Why did I not even think about such things? Let me encourage him with some merit. Boom at the OPs side, mission accomplished, but. 
 
Or maybe the Op' have an alt account which is in Royse campaign which is the escrow address is no longer save and can't pay his employees from there but he is not bold enough to start a case their because he don't know what the outcome will be, for someone who don't really understand the gravity of mess they might get their self involved in if they get paid from that address

Seriously, you promoted a bitcoin mixer and were depositing money from your wallet to Binance? At least you could try to exchange BTC into monero and deposit on Binance (Biannce accepts Monero deposits) or just convert into another altcoin. 1-2% fee is nothing when it comes to your privacy and protection. I know it's late to say this and I am not here to blame you or judge you, just keep in mind this in future.

That's a really good question. Campaign manager is in touch with the mixer owner (or representator), they could possibly become the target of investigation but Darkstar didn't have any problem after chipmixer accident as far as it looks.

By the way, escrow funds were in Monero and then converted into Bitcoins by manager, it would be better for everyone's safety, I think.

They don't deserve negative trust for this!

I agree with you on this part.

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Now this situation makes me think that anyone can worsen your life by sending you some free bitcoins from tagged address, right? If I were a participant of Sinbad campaign, I could ruin your life by sending coins to you from my address? Oh my god, das ist Scheiße.

Do what's right and have a clean past, then no one will be able to use anything from your past against you, it's easy, right?
I know you said something same about yourself in another thread, I don't know your issue well, so don't take it personally.

I consider it a situation in which the OP is only seeking attention and nothing else; if not, then why not have he or she not read carefully the quote that he included in his post? I don't think the English in his quote was so difficult to understand, given that he can write what everyone here understands. Or better still, we have to start thinking his topic was created by an AI, and he failed to also translate the quote to his native language so he could understand what Royce had said. I expected that it was a Sinbad participant that was even supposed to create this kind of thread, but instead, it was a non-participant, or maybe we can agree that it's an alt account of a Sinbad participant.

Good luck getting any support for that flag, any rational person would evaluate the accusation in its full context not just the part that says "Royse777 did not pay me"

But seriously, who wants to be on OFAC list for a hundred dollars or so? And do not tell me "this is all the money I got, I will starve without it" because it is better to be broke than on that sanctioned list.

Given that some participants take payments directly to exchanges, there is no doubt that the payout will immediately put many people at risk including Royse, this is a risk not worth taking IMO.

There is no flag, as far as I can see.


No one. The fact that no one from his campaign has protested demanding that he be paid is significant. If I were the OP I would simply lock the thread because leaving him open looks like it will only garner more opinions against him.

I was the participant of this campaign and i received funds from this escrow address few times.

My concern is that should i be worried about this ? I do not live in the US and the funds are in my Electrum wallet. Can law enforcement agencies can approach me  ???

George Carlin - You Have No Rights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E).


As long as you keep bitcoin that you received from mixers away from services where you did KYC, you should probably be fine.

I'm not sure why the fuss here? If you controlled the funds in the escrow address, would you send money from them with the warning that was posted? Take the loss folks and move on.

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

If they already blocked your account, you can explain that you have received those coins before LE announcing that mixer illegal and that you had no prior knowledge of anything related to criminal activities of the said mixer, so legally you are OK, however if now after it has been established that the funds were illegally obtained, whatever you do from now on, you will be considered a complicit in their crimes, so if you don't send to CEX now, you are OK. you might as well use a mixer, I'm not going to say which one, but you know which one I'm talking about.😉

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@yahoo, so we should send address to CM via PM? cool idea.

If you keep your coins in your own non-custodial crypto wallet, no one can access them without your private key.

Could the cops or whoever still figure out it's you if you slipped up and left an internet trail back to yourself? I mean yeah, technically they could if they really wanted to dig into things and connect some dots.  But why would they bother for such tiny buys or sells that got nothing to do illegal stuff happening? You're small potatoes man, they aren't gonna care.

I do not participate in campaigns managed by Royse777 but I have an opinion on this topic. So, let me give my opinion based on what I know about what constitutes a scam, although I have the freedom to express my thoughts on all topics published here unless a topic has special requirements that make it impossible for me to leave a response.

Fraud is an effort carried out intentionally to benefit the person of the perpetrator at the expense and harm of others. The definition of fraud can generally be found in many sources so that you can interpret the truth.

From what I understand the meaning of Royse777's statement in the part you quoted in the OP, Royse777 has not decided not to send funds to participants as a result of the work they have done. He will not touch the funds from the escrow wallet to avoid things that impact him such as legal problems. He also made an exception, he would only pay if there was direction from the lawyer.

Royse777 publishes publicly about the funds it has and explains what it will do with these funds.
From which point of view a campaign participant can make accusations — to him that he committed fraud. CMIIW

I have no idea how to find the specific post, but I brought this up a while back.  It wasn't in the form of a suggestion if I recall, but a question as to why those spreadsheets are made public.  I got a bunch of answers.  And now here we are, all paranoid about what lists and what addresses might be on those lists are being kept by our elected thieves.  Dang, I'm thinking shit probably ought to have changed a long time ago.

It wouldn't be difficult to trace a single transaction with a specific number of output addresses that received payments with a similar balance and was broadcast within the last hour or two.

The difficulty will increase if the transaction processing time is not specified, a new address is given for each week, or payments are added manually to the mixer algorithm.

I guess I have seen this already. I guess it was Royse777 who handled the campaign and the campaign was bettercallraul. The spreadsheet was hidden the campaign participants only had access to the spreadsheet. So, this won't be bad for campaign managers to hide their campaign spreadsheets even though sometimes people spot errors on those spreadsheets, and sometimes scam busters use these spreadsheets to match data between users.

The point is it is not enough.

It starts from the beginning, the Escrow address of the campaign fund. Because people usually ask for campaign fund in an Escrow address and some managers publicly announce that address, it is a start of nightmare.

So if the Escrow address is known, nothing later will make sense even the whole spreadsheet is hidden and private.

I know even don't announce the Escrow address will not make sure all campaign participant's addresses will not be blacked list when a service is sanctioned but maybe it will require more steps from the CIA. to do this.

Please did you get to answer the questions from bknance because I'm stocked and I don't want to make silly mistakes with my answers so I'm pleading for you to give me some head way to answering  the questions please as I also got an email from binance too.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon

My point was that none of it be public. The only known is between the manager and the company. The manager can confirm they're holding a balance and can pay for the week or whatnot, but not publicly release an address or spreadsheet.

Can stuff still be traced through the blockchain? Yes, but it will be made a little harder as whoever might be watching will have to watch the blockchain day and night and look for similar transactions and then piece them together.

Not a campaign participant myself and neither is the OP, but I worry more about Royse777's well-being surrounding this case rather than the fact of one week of blotched campaign payments. Not to mention the campaign participants who may get dragged up to this if any further movement from that escrow wallet if occurs.

Making the spreadsheets public but with the address's tab omitted seems to be a option worth seeking. Although it is fairly easy to check up public addresses posted by any user and also helps track alt-accounts from that data if kept public.

To erase the doubts by people like OP and settlement of the issue like this much better if Royse contact the owner and ask them to grab a new balance away from being used on their mixer then pay those participants. And once they are paid then he can return back the tinted funds to the owner of Sinbad.

Its so hard to released the funds handled by Royse since if government will trace out each transaction made for sure they will be traced. Government who handle the case could ask the data's on the exchangers where it last land and ask the identity of the owner of this addresses, from that for sure they will be in huge trouble.

People need to think carefully about this since this is serious case.

Are you okay or there's something wrong with you? The manager isn't sending payments to the participants because he want them to be safe from the actions that can be taken against them if they receive payments from that wallet.

Royse777 is just a campaign manager who was managing the funds of that wallet on the behalf or Sinbad for paying the participants who were promoting it on their profiles. He isn't doing any fraud and everyone agrees with whatever decision Royse will take for safety of them.


Stop saying such rude words about a campaign manager who has been doing really great on the forum for a long time and he has proven himself worthy of trust. You're saying these words because you have some personal issues I guess with Royse, I would say keep your personal issues with yourself and stop promoting such hatred towards a guy like Royse.

In other words, you are suggesting that he should secretly cooperate  with criminals, like nothing has happened? Are you actually suggesting how to return stolen funds back to the thieves? I'm sure those criminals if have any honor, they would send clean coins to participants, and forget they ever had that amount in escrow address, but I guess there is no honor among criminals.

Obari, no need to worry, I hope their will be no serious action against user who received payment. Honestly i didn't recieved any reply from BINANCE after submitting form. Form just contained sample inquiry like

Do you known wallet owner?
What relationship you have with address?
what is the purpose of  recieving payment?
 and at the last send screenshots or documents for proof

In my country there are no strict rules. crypto transaction is banned in our country but still no inquiry has been made against anyone. I withdraw all my fund after I recieved message and now I am feeling comfortable now.

Sorry, I just saw this and I would like to reply to the OP directly.

As much as I love everyone to get paid, you should know that the BTC address sending the money is a subject of controversy right now and it's a big case we are talking about. This is to the point that Binance, which is the largest crypto exchange issued a warning and advice against that escrowed BTC address used by Royse77. At this point, it's high time that he is more cautious and involving a legal adviser can't be a bad idea. Who knows if the law enforcers are after him already? This is possible until they know the actual facts.

In other words, that account is a dangerous one now and is under investigation, it's wise that he stopped the payment until further notice.

As far as I know, Royse777 has a legitimately registered business in which he offers marketing services, including campaign signatures. I believe that when registering his business he had to appear under his real name, so taking into account everything that happens with the "risky" address, he is mostly exposed to potential liability.


One is the escrow address from the signature thread, the other I think was on the site, used only for signatures. It seems that the investigation did not find many things, at least not to the extent that it was in the CM case.

I agree with this and more people should see it as you explain this. Royse doing this to help the users in the campaign not because he/she want to steal anything. That atleast what I think.

I already asked this question when the issue of private spreadsheets became rampant. Although I didn't get an answer. There's a difference when a common user like me asks a question and when a reputable member like you asks a question. Your questions and opinions opinions will surely be respected.

But as someone already said, if the escrow address is made public, the essence of hidden spreadsheet is defeated. If I search the escrow address on a campaign pay day, I will be able to see all the campaign participants address, maybe I will have issues linking them, but a little more time will still reveal all.

None of it should be public. The manager can just confirm they have funds for the week. Participants believe or leave, simple.

I didn't notice this topic before, so I'll answer Op directly.
I do not know how you came up with the idea that Royce would not pay the participants in the last week of the campaign, especially since you did not provide any possible motives for the hypothesis that he would not do so. Yes, he actually did not pay the participants their wages for the last week, but this was justified and you yourself referred to it in your quote from Royce. Are you alluding to the hypothesis that Royce will silence the participants? Can you provide a logical explanation for why there is such mistrust? The participants themselves repeatedly stressed that Royce's decision to freeze payments was wise, especially since Royce knew that he would not touch any Bitcoin at that address before consulting his lawyer. I don't think he will need to explain further.

While everyone thinks that Royse777 is looking for a lawyer. In the meantime hr is busy arguing 😕


This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

This doesn't good look for a campaign manager to argue with  another one. When one of your project got all other banned and you are busy self praising yourself.

This my point of view and some of you would not accept it. Those who don't, please do share a valid reason.

Have you ever watched Pat & Mat ? It's really interesting if you watch it all. Every now and then I see pat and mat coming here like commercial breaks.
Are you a participant of that campaign? If you are, then you are in big trouble if you want to get paid with stolen money, and if you are not, then again you are just making a fool of yourself, but yes, it's all his fault right? Why nobody said anything when they were getting paid? Keep waiting for your payments from STOLEN money. Are you kidding me?
This is the proof that most of people here are immature teenagers.

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.0) is a smart thing, and I don't think increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:
I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

If you say that yourself, you make me think that what we have repeated so much over the years about bitcoin being uncensurable has been revealed to be untrue. We've seen some opinions along those lines in the following thread as well:

OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475157.140)

But I disagree with you on the other point:


I don't see what difference it makes. Mixer campaigns have decided to continue during the grace period, and some have decided to raise rates (probably because they have just started advertising and want to take advantage of the remaining month), while others have lowered them (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447426.msg63268287#msg63268287). It's not breaking the rules anyway and I don't think it makes much difference. What will make the difference will be the ban from 1 January.

These are two completely different services and two different campaigns.
I am a little surprised by the decision to increase the pay rate in this campaign, but looking at the big picture, maybe it's understandable.
It is about Tumbler Mixer, which has already invested a lot of money in the review campaign, design contest, etc... They have already deposited the funds in escrow for the signature campaign, and now that they are slowly getting to the point where they expect the return of the investment, they have been announced to be excluded from the forum. So they decided, there is no return of money from escrow, but do as much as you can until the end of the period.

Bitcoin still works fine, but real-life consequences are still a thing.
 
Thanks, I'll add it to my list of things to read :)

I agree with LoyceV, raising the rate will not make any difference as the objective is to advertise within the forum till the 31st of December. Fighting over the rates and trying to make their respective Signature Campaign better than the other is an insane approach. Both of them knew that these mixer campaigns would eventually end by the deadline. I went through the discussion on the campaign thread and I feel both of them should calm down and move on.

I do not think a ban on Bitcoin mixer would make any difference to the forum. What I felt after reading a lot of discussion that the forum has led down the community and those part of mixer campaign are not at all happy with the decision.

OP really sucks.

He is not participan of th campaign.
The participants agree with royse decition


LOL you have really good answers above your reply and you just decide to ignore all those good and qualify answers

this is like finding about some already refuted conspiracy theory and select only the answers that don't refute that.

It won't make any difference surely for the mixers but it would for the campaign managers. Till now CM was the highest paying signature campaign but now the crown goes to another campaign that's paying $10 a post. That would at least make it as a saved memory because someone was paying $10 per post to the members and that's an insane rate. I know that within short duration of a few days the advertising won't reach its goals but still it's something unique and has never happened before.

I believe that the forum gained a lot of activity because of the Mixer campaign, with a good pay rate you will have good motivation to be in a healthy conversation, but Theymos has to do what he has to do even though it hurts many members who are considered good contributors on this forum.
After January 1 we will only see casinos and a few other platforms but casinos will rule the forum in terms of signature campaign.
But I'm sure Theymos is reading all of the members' opinions and we will see if there is a change of heart, it's not over until it's over until Theymos post that he will not change his mind.

You don't understand anything, do you, man? I'm not just saying that because of this post, I just replied to you in another one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5460578.msg63278741#msg63278741) and you just write rubbish. Read again. With whom do you agree on that point?


On this I agree.


Congratz, you must be the only one who thinks so.


Tell me it didn't take you a long time and a sweat to come to that conclusion please.

This isn't a personal issue you have against Royse777 I hope, because I don't seem to understand why you would think of him as a fraud. If he has been playing dirty don't you think he would have ran away with other campaign payment before now?
OP, I feel he's trying his best to not get himself and other participants involved in what they don't have any clue about.
I believe Royse777 has a better way of paying for the remaining week and touching that fund as things are being heated up at the moment, I don't think is a great idea and that would even make him the fraudster you accuse him to be.

Honestly, this could call for panic because it's the reputation of the users that are in line. To be just, Binance should use their brain to study and investigate carefully how these monies were being sent out, they are so little and regular every week, so it must have been for a purpose that is not criminal. By now, I know that they would have known what the money was being used for in the tagged escrow account as Binance is more professional than that and I doubt if the majority of users here are not using them for one thing or the other.

I also expect Royse777 who is directly involved to have contacted Binance by now to shed more light on it. This is purely a marketing arrangement but I believe this would raise more questions as to where they get to contact each other, I mean the partner, which is also simple to answer.

Above all, I advice anyone that is affected in this case where the BTC address tagged was used to pay them to be very smart. They should not have any money in Binance for now, and even in other exchanges where their assets could be seized unless the money can't be traced to the wallet address in question.

Exactly money shouldn’t be kept in binance for now because I don’t think is a nice idea but I already submitted all the answers to the questions asked but I don’t feel safe yet because I haven’t gotten any response from binance since after my submission and it’s been over 48 working hours.

I was not member of recent campaigns managed by Royse, but I am little surprised how he was handling things recently.
He knew that mixer campaigns are not going to be allowed next year in forum but he increased rewards with unrealistic high payment rates to make his campaign highest paid and to attract good members.
Than he suddenly stopped that campaign and moved it to another place with minimal payment rewards.
It is not good to create fake picture in competition with other managers, and for me this is not ethical.
I dont have anything against Royse and I wish him all best, but i think he is making to many mistakes in his work as a manager.

I can say he is a bit busy managing several campaigns, but please don't bring up ethics here, in case you are oblivious about the world, half of the population is undergoing a modern slavery system and the other half is like the sheeple, they just live for the sake of living. This is how the market works, you try different approaches to stay in the competition otherwise you'd lose. In case you haven't read the terms of his campaigns, better read them again, he has not violated any of them. Besides, this is not a real job, this has been a known fact that sig campaigns are temporary side bonuses.

And you have no idea how sad and unpleasant it is for me to see some people might lose their only income and have nothing to bring for their table in their house.
But you must drop this "unethical" agenda, it doesn't look good.

Thank you, I appreciate the criticism greatly. It allows me to become better and serves my clients even better.

With the coming rule that will be enforced from January 1st, things are changing fast on the forum. I think we all agree with that.
Every project who have huge marketing budget wants the best out of their spending. They want aggressive marketing to stand out of the crowd. Only managers can understand it.

[banned mixer] is a team who have massive marketing budget, at least this is the impression I have from them.
Over $7,500 (0.2900 BTC) spent on the review campaigns.
Around $1,000 spent on signature and avatar contest.
Over $18,500 (0.5000 BTC) already sent to me for signature campaign.
Over $26,000 (I assume 0.7440 BTC) to some specific members (some of them refunded some as you know).

No doubt, [banned mixer] is the brand who are going to be the most unfortunate project on Bitcointalk community. They already spent a lot of money but when it was time to start receiving the benefits, a massive change in the rule messed up the initial plan that was set to execute. Things started to change and we had to make many changes, many business calls (calculated risks) - together or even alone myself as their campaign manager.

In general, I ensure the maximum ROI for my clients. Many of my clients have big budget but that does not mean that I always suggest them to spend big. My goal is to balance the spending and the return of the spending, which allows my clients to become top of their niche.

As a campaign manager of [banned mixer], my job is to minimize the damage that has already done, give the most so that they can stay in the crypto ecosystem for many coming months and years to become one of the top and reliable mixers. There are no doubt that [banned mixer] team have what it takes to be the best too.

Regarding highest paying and minimal paying criticism? Consider a business (guess it's a Smartphone brand) wants to expand their business. (https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/)
Option A: India
Over 1.43 Billion population, density P/Km² 481
Option B: Philippines
Over 117.35 Million population, density P/Km² 394

It's not only the audience but there are many factors involved when you are planning for marketing a brand. Factors like economic, regulatory, audience knowledge, competition, social, many others but let's make it simple for you. If you only consider the audience, will you suggest your clients to have a marketing budget and strategy that will be the same for India and Philippines? It seems you will. Good luck for the brand you are going to work for, I hope the best for you.

As a campaign manager, I will suggest my clients to spend even below 5% of the marketing budget they already planned for India and order my team to work 4x harder in this project.

Thanks for having me in this topic.

Cheers,

Thanks for confirming my point, you are professionally ethical and loyal to the industry, aka a part of modern slavery machine, now I see why people talk about ethics here, and why I had my guard up against them was because of the fact that I considered them unethical creatures only caring for money no matter the source, but now I understand you are truly a monster among humans, you even took advantage of a wounded puppy like me and tried to under pay me just to please your clients as if we are some soulless tools, the end justifies the means, right?

Please note that, if I respect 20 people in this community, you are definitely one of them, and I have no grudges against you, also what I said on tumbler's thread was my humanity calling you incompetent, while in the eyes of a business man, you are a perfect and successful partner to have.  But look at US enslaving Chinese for their profit, look where China is and where US is today.

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Ok enough of this political bs, good luck mate.😉

I can understand where you're coming from a bit, but in a different context, since I was about to buy thousands of dollars worth of link placements before my website got suspended.

Sometimes unforeseen events mess up the planning so people should take reasonable precautions to deal with the ones they know about so they won't become a problem later.

O M G Royse runs best paying campaign! Oh wait...


The great manager Royse managed to run the best paying campaign. For 10 days. Hooray!


I might run a signature campaign with only 1 user; and not even Legendary, but just Jr. Member, paying 30$/post (up to 1 post) and call it "the highest paying campaign", since I'd pay more than you and even more than Royse, lol. And if I'd want to look even more eccentric, I could run it also for 11 days, thus it would become also "the longest best paying campaign".

I feel like there's a loophole in signature campaign.

Someone can run a campaign, mention the total funds on escrow (giving an illusion for people to think the campaign has x amount that can afford to run for x weeks) or even saying the campaign will run for long term. But after few week(s) the campaign stopped since the owner asking to stop, even though the escrowed funds has still a lot money.

But there was stated "the manager/owner reserve the right to bla bla bla", so it makes people can't do anything because their money their rules.

I don't know why you want to add fuel to the fire with that ironic tone.


Yes, there may be a loophole, as you mention, but so far it has not been used in the way you mean. What has happened now is because of the ban that starts on 1 January. As far as I know, apart from this exception, when funds went to escrow it was for campaign spending.

When I manage a campaign, many times I make many hard calls when it's necessary.

If we have a specific campaign in mind which in this case seems like [banned mixer]. It was not the owner, it was me who made the call.

You sound like every manager and every project that wants to publish their business in this community owe you something. Working in a signature campaign is not a contract job, it's not your human right, it's a privilege you enjoy if you are chosen.

Very soon everyone will have some light about it. I promise but not in this topic.

I merely stated a fact with which he brags himself: he managed the best paying campaign for 10 days. Is there anything incorrect about this statement? The best payment lasted only 10 days (4-14 December). I believe this must be appreciated properly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270356#msg63270356) (this is why I also wrote that "Hooray!"):

https://i.ibb.co/GHy770Q/2-Trees.jpg

Then 1miau stated that he could hire 2 Legendaries for one week paying 25$ per post (up to 15 posts) and that would become best paying campaign. Is there anything incorrect about this statement?
Finally, I said that if I'd pay someone with 30$/post (for max 1 post) for wearing a signature advertising me, that would make my campaign as best paying campaign. Is there anything incorrect about this?

You wrote so many words but you didnt said anything important or reply to my post, and you knew at that time that mixers will stop on January 1.
It is not good to temporary increase rates to make it highest ever just to attract good members, and than cancel the campaign in next week.
You are giving false image and bad promotion to service you are advertising.
Another thing you are doing is often changing and reducing payrates inside the same campaign, to everyone or to individuals.

Unrelated with anything I said, and to my criticism, but do whatever you want.
I am sure many other members would say the same thing as me but they dont want to say anything against managers.

Worst strategy ever, and it was done on purpose like this  :P

Most people who was not accepted in that campaign should be very lucky considering everything that happened.
Receive the payment,  than be without any payment, and blame it all on mixer ban, perfect crime ;D

notblox1, be careful with what you dare to say upfront to Royse.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/238/408/309.jpg


Yes, now he wears the crown of manager of best paying campaign. Maybe 1miau will de-throne him though O0

That's not a loophole, it's the risk of doing any business without contractual agreement.
If you don't want that, don't join the campaign. Or make a custom deal.

I am always going to criticize any member, including managers, if I think they are doing something bad, like I did before few times.
If they want to put me on some blacklist for doing that, they can do it, but this will show that I was correct, and I am not afraid to say what I feel is right.

Don't be surprised if you'll see your name on a list soon (whatever that list may be) :) A list exists already and it's growing (pretty fast I'd say).

Look, I know a woman who is very ugly. I find it unpleasant to look at her face. If I were to say to her face: 'But you're ugly! I'm disgusted to look at you', I would be stating a fact. By this I mean to exemplify that there are contexts in which it is not reasonable to state certain facts, and above all to state them in a certain way.

What was Royse777's reaction? To say that he is going to counterattack, obviously.

The way you said things was not conciliatory, that's obvious.

That's a matter of perception. At same time, maybe that woman would appear as very beautiful to someone else. But the above information is pure statistics: that campaign lasted 10 days with that high payment.


Of course. As any wise man would do when confronted with the truth /s Like this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63272709#msg63272709).


What should I conciliate with Royse? I was not in his campaign; I was not affected by his decision to (pick-?)pocket the funds. However, I can not stay blind to such actions. I just stated once (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270356#msg63270356) that he should show more respect to other campaign managers, especially to old ones (like Hhampuz) -- is that wrong? and that constantly bragging himself is only making him to look ridiculous (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476928.msg63286251#msg63286251) -- is that wrong?.

So he disrespects other campaign managers; he brags himself around with how much money he has (and which do not belong to him); he brags himself for running best paying campaign (which lasted 10 days); he does not pay the participants; he constantly looks for various conflicts (like Royse v Poker Player (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434476.0); Royse v icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476928.0) (+ the fact that he locked that thread suddenly, with no explanation); Royse v TL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5473786.0) (where he did not even realize that he's complaining for a feedback left by a non-DT user, which does not influence his Trust score anyhow); Royse v JG (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465942.msg62806903#msg62806903)... + his involvement with a proven scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403679.0); + the fact that he was banned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432989.0) for sending unsolicited PMs (LOL!)) -- and then I should conciliate with him? Conciliate what?

For the sake of the discussion, logically speaking, he should conciliate with some people: with those which he did not pay, for example. Or with those he disrespected. Or with those he disturbed by sending them so many unsolicited PMs that they could not stand anymore and reported them.

There can't be a loophole here, campaign signatures are not a rule of the forum, but a possibility. Each campaign has its own rules and they are determined by the owner & manager. And no one is obliged to participate in sig. campaign.


Every manager does what he thinks is best and everyone will praise his campaigns and the way he runs them. It is quite to be expected that they claim that their campaign is the best, the most paid, the most...
I think that this is not only the case with managers but in almost every business.


This is not unique to one specific manager, I have seen similar cases in several campaigns. Here, for example, LoyceV had a special deal compared to the others in the last couple of campaigns. It is obvious to everyone and no one is discussing or asking about the conditions, why would we start such a discussion here?
Again, if you don't like someone's way of doing business, you simply ignore their offers.


Closing a campaign is not unusual and until now it has not been the practice for managers to urgently secure a place in a new campaign for participants from a closed campaign. OK, it's not a bad thing, but there's no need to make too much drama about it.


Maybe it's time for you to create a new topic in reputation, "Should Royse777 ...something...?"

Are you hired by Royse to defend him because you are in one of his campaigns or you are doing it for free?
I saw that you are really trying to talk about campaigns from other managers when you dont think something is right, but you obviously have to agree with everything Royse is doing.
Maybe he accepted you in other forum to continue with mixer campaign also, so you feel that you have to defend him.

This was not normal at all and dont try to make it look like it was.
He did that on purpose, and you got caught in his net, now enjoy  ;D

Look, I'm not going to get into an endless argument with you because it's going to look like I'm Royse777's personal lawyer and that's not it either. The only thing I would like to point out is two things, in the rest of what you have said I see that you are full of reasons, but now we will see what reasons he has in the new thread he says he is going to open. As a German fellow forum member says, I think I'm going to grab some popcorn and watch from the sidelines.


What are you talking about, Sinbad's funds? There is an overwhelming majority on the forum who think the best thing for Royse777 to do is not to touch those funds until he has legal advice, as he said. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.msg63245716#msg63245716) I'm going to take the '(pick-?) pocket' as a joke, but I'm not surprised if he takes it as an offensive one.


I took that precisely as conciliatory, as not wanting to go any further and acknowledging part of the blame, especially after Hhampuz's comment. But of course, I don't see things the way you do.

As for the rest, I repeat, I see that you are full of reasons. Now I'm off to get some popcorn.

Yes I knew mixers will stop from January 1st. Where is the problem?

With the coming rule that will be enforced from January 1st, things are changing fast on the forum. I think we all agree with that. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476064.msg63331751#msg63331751)

My concern is to look after the members who worked in the campaign, and my clients. I can not make everyone happy.

My goal is to balance the spending and the return of the spending, which allows my clients to become top of their niche. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476064.msg63333869#msg63333869)

Related. You failed to relate it because you have general/very average or nearly no experience about marketing knowledge. Become a pro first. The discussion will be effective. It seems I am wasting my time.

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No, he is sharing his opinion just like you. You sound like, anyone who will share positive opinion about me, you will attack them with this question.
Since you think I hired people to defend me, let me ask you a rhetorical question. Do you think GazetaBitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270356#msg63270356), 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270451#msg63270451), airfinex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468985.0) and a few more are hired by Icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270070#msg63270070) to spread things against me? It seems he did.

Job: Brand the slogan "highest paying campaign"

I should make a list of signature participants who constantly received PMs (sometimes offered spots publicly) from a specific campaign manager with the promise to pay better. Then they were successfully manipulated to stay with him so that they can only works in his campaigns to look like he is the best in the industry.

For the record, I also sometimes send PMs to many reputable members but I never say anything to manipulate them to take unfair advantages.

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My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me. You seem ignoring everything that does not favour you in your arguments.

Where can I get such an offer?

Thank you.
Problem is that you knew you are going to stop campaign after one week, so you fooled everyone who applied.

I bet your participants are very happy with your behavior  ;D
Consider that my voice is 99% the voice of all your participants who cant say anything against you.

I asked him, and you are not his lawyer, so dont reply for him.
Do things how you think it is best, and good luck.
I hope people will now learn how you are doing your business.

Truth hurts I know, so you have to blame me for something.
You should be a shame of yourself for saying this, and you proved who you really are now.
Maybe you made some offer to your members to talk bad against other members like icopress  ;D

He clearly knows something about that ;)

It does not look good anymore. 
Didn't you create a thread against Ratimov because he trolled you and used bad words and you thought he was abusive? Didn't you accuse Royse of disrespecting Hhampuz and another manager? If so, what are you doing now? What is the point of bringing these things to this thread? Don't you think he does have the right to pause/end the campaign anytime he wants?

You and some others are here to fuel the flame and make Royse look bad. If you expect respect from others, you have to respect others as well. Royse and Icopress are managers. They are competitors. But, when you question someone's reputation just because you are a good friend of another manager, it doesn't make you look smarter. You know what I mean.

I don't believe Icopress support such behaviour from his friends towards another manager. You are just trolling him and nothing else. Don't take this negatively. I am not in his campaigns, nor in Icopress's Campaigns. Logout from GazetaBitcoin accound and read it without being GazetaBitcoin. You will understand what I am talking about.

By participating in icosomething campaigns, either by main, or by alt accounts. duh!

Edit :
This is beyond my logic, even a contradictory character like me, can't understand this. Lol
So you deny others the right of advocacy, but at the same time trying to advocate on behalf of them?

No. That was only the edge of the iceberg. Besides, I did not create a thread against Ratimov, but one addressing his behavior as DT. Apparently, after reading what I wrote there

LoyceV, Foxpup, fillippone, The Pharmacist, 1miau, icopress, NeuroticFish, vapourminer, Poker Player, philipma1957, BitcoinGirl.Club, lovesmayfamilis, klarki, jokers10, zasad@, wwzsoki, JollyGood, holydarkness, Rikafip, Brainboss, bullrun2020bro, Stalker22, examplens, Bitcoin_Arena, witcher_sense, Charles-Tim, sheenshane, tvplus006, Coin-1, YOSHIE, yahoo62278, witcher_sense, DaveF, suchmoon, mikeywith, DYING_S0UL, The0ldl_lser, Nestade, iwantmysecond1000yardsbackyardpaidwithbtctoo, owlcatz, Learn Bitcoin, nakamura12, Despairo, SmartGold01, DireWolfM14, light_warrior, PowerGlove, execijutiere, Synchronice, Plaguedeath, giammangiato, SatoPrincess, Husires, sokani, Smartprofit, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Silence Scream, Wapfika, Jossque, nimogsm, sky999, my luck and Snork1979

agreed that he does not belong to DT1.


No. I stated that he does not respect other campaign managers (including Hhampuz).


What am I doing now?


Statistics. Pure statistics:



Of course he has this right. Just as 1miau would also have the right to pay 2 Legendary users with 25$ and turn that into best paying campaign ever and then stop it after 30 minutes.


Well, some things (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476064.msg63334010#msg63334010) are certainly not good.


Stating that someone was banned (and he was actually banned) is disrespect? Saying someone starts endless topics of disputes (while he actually does that) is disrespect? Saying someone runs a best paying campaign for 10 days (while this actually happened) is disrespect? Saying someone was involved with a proven scam (while this actually happened) is disrespect?


If I were trolling I'd be breaking forum rule 3 and I'd get banned. I would certainly not do that. For the sake of the argument though, you can report my posts for trolling and see what happens. Maybe you are right though.


I'm not :)

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Oh and by the way: I was never enrolled in a campaign managed by icopress; I never worked with him as a manager; and I have not been enrolled in a signature campaign since CM was shut down (excepting 3-4 weeks).

Maybe that's how you act, but it's certainly not in my case. I'm not defending anyone here, if you read my whole post again, you'll see that I'm just pointing out your biased views. Also, do we have to leave the campaign to express an opinion?

Is it right if I tell you that you should be ashamed of what you said and that it speaks about who you really are?
Considering your later statement...

but we will agree that it is nonsense and that there is no need to cause conflict with insults. I usually withdraw from such discussions, which I will probably do here after this post.




I criticized him too, of course. Especially for his new system of payment rates, but it seems that you missed that. For some things, I sent him a PM on Telegram, just to make sure he read my critics. I noticed later that he adapted some things from the criticisms I gave him.


He is not the owner of other forums, and I have seen other managers there as well. I'm not sure what the argument is here.
I think I'm older than him (not only on this forum) and I don't need to kiss his or someone's ass, I refused that in RL for much more money than $150 per week.


Again, don't look at the whole thing only from the point of view of mixer signature campaigns, they are not the centre of all events. We have only a few campaigns that last several years, and in the meantime, there were quite a few short-lived ones.
As far as I can see, the Coinomize campaign is open, although it still has a maximum duration of 2,5 weeks. I don't see that we need to make a drama about it.


What net are you talking about? Well, I didn't marry him and the mixer campaign.

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btw. I haven't enjoyed it for a while, Honestly, I'm almost very close to the decision to leave all this BS (not only the forum) because of many regulations and restrictions, increasingly rigorous KYC, BRC garbage and f****n high fees... quite dysfunctional for some of my needs. theymos' ban plus the things he caused just added fuel to the fire.

I know who you're referring to here and even a few details about what you're talking about, even if other might not.  Speaking for myself only, I'm not taking sides in any feud between you and the other party because you both manage campaigns well.  You're in a tough spot here, but I think most people understand your position and that it was probably the safest, best move you could make even if it leaves a number of members unhappy.  Nobody expected mixer advertising to be eliminated or that some of them were up to shady shit.  

I don't know.  I think you've said all you can say, and you know you're not going to make everyone happy.  Continuing to argue about this is just going to aggravate you and anyone else who engages in the argument.

Ugh.  That's unfortunate, but believe me I know how you feel.  If I didn't think that bitcoin was and always will be the king of cryptocurrency, I'd be gone in a heartbeat--but I do think that, and plus I really like this forum even when Theymos drops a hammer like he did this month.  

I've always thought that bitcoin is for saving, not spending, and thus the wicked fees haven't bothered me much (not that I save a lot anyway).  That issue has been a long-standing one with seemingly no resolution, so why let it get on your nerves now?

Edit:

Errrrrrr....rewind what I wrote above for a sec.  I think I missed what you just said Royse777 did, as I don't generally follow campaign threads in the Services section.  I revert to a neutral stance until I figure things out.

(BTW, I'm posting and then reading the thread backwards as usual.  Sorry.)

In case anyone missed it, or doesn't usually visit that section, Royse777 posted a thread on B&H that contains useful tips on how to make money on the forum but contains a subtle part that I think has quite a bit to do with this:


The thread is:

How to sell yourserlf to potential advertisers | sales pitches included  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5478204.0)

To my mind the subtle part about icopress and GazetaBitcoin should be discussed here or in some other thread in the Reputation section, not in the B&H one.

Wait! Sorry, you are confusing me now. I need to read all the Messages you sent from the start again. Too many of them LOL

You are free to express your thoughts and criticise others, but when someone does the same thing, it becomes "are you hired by Royse to defend him?" It is so disrespectful and strange for you to believe that everyone must have identical opinions to yours. Royse has always struck me as someone who safeguards his clients' interests while not abusing the marketing budget. As a competent manager/promoter, your priority is to serve your client's interests against all odds, and Royse did just that.

Since theymos' announcement, the community has been less hospitable and accepting to mixers. I witnessed 2-3 Mixers halt signature operations on the forum a few weeks back and there was no cough about it or concerns about the sudden stop, so why does Royse's decision constantly raise the dick of everyone on the reputation board?


He stopped the campaign on what purpose? If this is not hate then I don't know what it is. You're a Mafia spy and a friend of The Sherrif, but this isn't the way to go.

Lol, I missed that post. This is getting better and better:
Guys, I'm available! My loyalties are flexible (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0508668/characters/nm1044403)! Should I create an Auction thread for this, or will it happen under the table?

Seriously though, it sounds paranoid to even think people are being paid for a certain opinion on something as unimportant as another user on a forum. Even better when both parties think the same! And for whoever missed the sarcasm above: my loyalties are not for sale.

 The fact that the username " Royse777" has been used 559 times on the reputation board alone since January (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-01-01T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-12-31T23%3A59%3A59&board=129&content=%20Royse777) is crazy.

To add salt to the wound, LoyceV has used the username "Royse777 in his posts 62 times and rank No.1 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-01-01T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-12-31T23%3A59%3A59&board=129&content=%20Royse777). This must be love ?  ;)

A victim of his own success?

What can I say, I don't choose who shows up on my weekly list of DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235038.420).

I've seen that line of thinking on conspiracy websites so many times, it boggles my mind why people believe would be paid in some backroom deal to write posts agreeing with the person paying them.  The truth is that some people take sides based on their opinion of whatever, whether it's someone's performance as a campaign manager or some other loyalty that wasn't bought and paid for.  I've stuck up for Royse777 in the past because he never cheated me and was completely above board in any dealings I had with him.  Same goes for icopress, Hhampuz, and many other people here.  I'm sure that same motivation or similar is the driving force for whoever is disagreeing with notblox1. 

Seems like I missed some more recent drama with Royse777, because I'm reading new accusations.  Question:  is all the information in this thread or elsewhere?  I'd like to know before I embark on a bunch of reading that would require a lot of attention being paid to it.  I'm not being lazy, just efficient and asking for help.

Let me get you on speed here, don't bother read walls of texts, royse777 is like Apple(company), this forum is like US, now he has decided to move to China(altcoinstalkssomething.com) to enslave forum members further.(lol honestly, for the one campaign I checked there, they are paying $1.20 per post, not bad for most people) now people are saying why did he cancelled tumbler here after promising $10 per post until 1st Jan and moved the campaign there with much lower payments?

And royse had an exposee on GB and icosomething by revealing their resumes they sent to service owners. And we are here to discuss and at the same time fulfill our quotas, at the end, we'd get paid, some people would get hurt/damaged, while the world watches and laughs whispering "these people wanted to revolutionize the economy?" They would then go to asleep like a baby. Because we have turned to a joke, all we care about is worth less than $1M per year. Lol

Surely, we will conquer the wall street in no time [insert the skeleton behind a desk here]. Final lol.

Admit it Loyce, the entire reason you constructed and maintain these lists is so you can covertly profess your love and admiration of Royse777.


Its really not worth reading. No manager has a 100% success rate when it comes to avoiding projects that turn out to be scams, or not what they were advertising themselves as (although some are better at staying away from them than others).

I was a participant in the Sinbad campaign, even though it was just an Avatar campaign. I believe that Royse777 is very professional and never once tries to cheat people. What Royse is doing is on the basis of safety for everyone. Don't you know how many people panicked at that time?

I don't mind not getting paid that last week. It's not that he doesn't want to pay, but Royse777 shouldn't pay for security reasons. I have not found any participants from the campaign who protested and accused Royse777. I personally still consider Royse to be one of the best managers on this forum.

Since I've been participating in both campaigns, managed by Royse777 and icopress and have been happy with both, it's quite surprising that some people (including me) are accused with unproven fake accusations /speculations now:


For simply making a joke (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270451#msg63270451) in MixTum's signature campaign topic managed by icopress, I even did a similar joke back then somewhere else already some months ago and no one cared.  :D
It's not allowed to make jokes anymore if these could hurt some people's feelings help evaluating the unnecessary flexing with campaign payments?  
Are there no valid arguments, that the only attack are unproven fake accusations?
Aside from that, the statement in my message could not be disproven, neither in the MixTum topic, nor here because it's perfectly pointing out that flexing with "highest paying campaign" is much more than just a single number without any context as pointed out here as well:


As a professional campaign manager, first thing I would do, would be to stop spreading weird and unproven fake accusations / speculations about "under table offer too to spread things".

As said before, I've been working with both icopress and Royse777, very good experience.
The best campaign management is to provide a professional campaign, both for advertised service and for participants (+ for the forum as well by rewarding quality posters).
And as a side note: I'm a campaign manager as well: [AKTUELL KEINE TEILNEHMER GESUCHT] Große kleine Yassin Profilbildkampagne (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263278.0)  ;)
With spreadsheet and hookers.  8)

Good advice! Personally I was expecting that people would slowly leave mixer signature campaigns instead of a sudden burst till 1st January.

I don't understand why did that turn into a huge problem. It doesn't matter which campaign is the highest paid campaign. The only thing that matters how much freedom campaign gives to its users, how good users it chooses and how effective is campaign for the business according to the money they spent into it.
If anyone want to argue about highest paid signature campaign, then they have to compare campaign that has the highest payrate with highest number of participants for a long time, probably at least for 6 months or 12 months. They have to keep in mind the value in USD that campaign was spending each week. Chipmixer was the highest paid signature campaign on this forum, no one can deny that. It was paying a lot, had many participants and was on this forum for 5 years.

To be frank, it was a huge mistake from you to start a Sinbad signature campaign when it was known that Sinbad was a project of sanctioned mixer called Blender. It was also a mistake that forum administration let Sinbad to promote themselves here. Many mistakes were done.

Did Royse claimed or entitled his campaign as the highest paid signature campaign? I don't remember but maybe I am wrong, can't be 100% sure.
To be frank, it wasn't nice from icopress to say that in the long run, it was very unlikely that Royse's campaign could compete with Mixtum in every sense of the word.

Also, Royse hasn't expressed any disrespect towards Hhampuz. Icopress said that Hhampuz was taller than both of them (this disrespects Royse but shows respect towards Hhampuz and also shows that Icopress is not an egoist) that meant that Hhampuz was better manager and above of them. Roise's response was more direct and oriented on word tall as a meaning of height and I would say that his response was carrying humor, I can't call that a disrespect towards Hhampuz. Has Hhampuz taken that as a disrespect?
P.S. I don't know anything else that has happened between Royse and Icopress, so I can't touch their topics anymore. I only comment about this case.

Just a piece of advice, you can ignore it or consider it, it's up to you but I'll say anyway: If you know and have proofs that someone does something shady, you have to make it immediately public. It's not very masculine and morally right to keep quiet until they touch personally you and then make a threat that if they don't shut their mouth, you are going to reveal everything about them.

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I hope things will go well for all of you. It's not necessary to fight and disrespect each-other.

Why Royse can't send all funds into a mixer,
mix it,
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can get a little bit of it?

Because the law enforcement officers are watching our every move, so we can't secretly distribute illegal funds, duh.

Fair enough. Almost thought you guys are lovers.


None of the Sinbad participants are complaining about the underpaid week; the only people flinging mud at the wall and hoping it sticks are those who enjoy criticising Royse. The Sinbad Sig campaign was a success. And I don't want to be a part of the final payment. Those coins are deemed stained in perpetuity.

Moving the tainted coins to another mixer may jeopardise the company as well.

Anyone wanting to get coins from that address is not a sane person and is asking for trouble. Seems they want their names to be included in the justice.gov files, that's what they are asking for.

Sinbad's signature campaign was not a success. I can't call it a success because many bad things, i.e. mixers got banned after Sinbad's accident and it was also known long ago that Sinbad was a renewed Blender. Sinbad's main source of income probably was Lazarus group, during their existence as Blender and after being renamed as Sinbad.

The project was not fully successful, but the signature campaign project was in the sense that they ran it for a long time and paid in full every week. A substantial sum of money was also left in escrow. Prior to my participation, I was unaware of their connection to the Lazarus organisation.

Yeah sure, that is why you just applied ang signed contract for new campaigns ;)
If you do decide to leave this place, I wish you all best and safe trip back to the normal world.
I am sure you are not going to have any regulations, restrictions and kyc there  ;D

First of all, Royse did hire him to participate in one or more of his campaigns and he is really paying him, so he is hired by him for something.
Than I never said that everyone needs to think same like me, that is stupid.
Any campaign I participated in I never feel the need to protect and serve whatever manager, on contrary.

He achieve his goal, to have fake highest paying campaign in forum.
Reason I followed this subject  is because I had a topic with my personal sponsored giveaway about this, and nobody paid me to do this.

Yes, it was known right when Sinbad.io started:


Alone from any basic research, shady history of Sinbad.io was known.
If Royse777 did any basic research how shady Sinbad.io has always been, now Bitcointalk won't have any problems.

Long story short.

#Drama1

Since theymos decided to ban mixers, the campaign won't run after 1st January. Royse as a campaign manager, decided to move his campaigns to another forum and he thought to offer it to some other mixer companies. But, the problem is, those companies are already working with other managers. The possible reason could be, that Royse didn't think if other managers also planned to move the campaign to another forum or not.

Then, icopress complained that his clients got messages from Royse777 which he considered unethical.

#Drama2

after announcing the mixers ban, Royse decided to increase the pay rate because the campaign won't be long-lasting as everyone knows and it was supposed to run till the end of the year. But, The campaign ended with 2 weeks in hand. The company decided to run its campaign immediately on another platform and stop it on Bitcointalk after 2nd week.

Now, some people accuse him saying he fooled the campaign participants with the high pay rate but the campaign did not run for a long time. They started criticizing Royse because he ended the campaign after running it for two weeks. Most probably, it was the company who decided not to continue.

IMO, Royse777 decided too early to pack the stuff and migrate, all his clients could rename and start operating under a shell company like jambojetler, by leaving so soon now he has put his clients at risk of losing potential future audience from Bitcointalk, so he needs to think of something, and fast, because the competition is ahead at least a week.😉

Here is a solution that will keep Royce and the Sinbad campaigners safe.

- Royce will send me the amount needed to cover the debt to the Sinbad participants.
- I, in turn, will keep these coins and process the payment from my own funds (minus 5%).

I think the mods should now close this thread, since I believe the issue mentioned in the OP will be resolved soon.

I find the subtle tone this topic has taken, both on one side and the other, quite amusing and entertaining. We'll see how it turns out, but it's certainly different from what we usually see in this section. Waiting to see what the next subtle move looks like, or if it ends with such subtlety.

(Edited to say that it seems it wasn't subtle (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5478204.msg63346221#msg63346221))

I came across this discussion by accident. I find it funny how a member who was not a participant of the campaign (at least not with that username) complaints that other members have not received their payments. At the same time, the actual participants, understanding what happened, are not asking for their coins for now. Publicly at least. One never knows what's going on in private messages. airfinex is the Dark Knight of Bitcointalk. 

Lol, why would you want to have stolen money - %5, which could be considered as fees,  however next time you wanted to talk ethics, morality, honesty etc, come here and read this post, THAT MONEY is legally and ethically FORBIDDEN to touch/spend, whether by participants, or anyone else, it seems you don't have a problem with that though, typical. That money is PROVEN to be from hacked/stolen funds. If Royse touches them, there is no going back for him, unless LE give him the green light officially.

Okay, since the great manager Royse, which is a pro (and it's clear for everyone he's a pro since he declared himself a pro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476064.msg63334287#msg63334287)), was just given a solution for this issue, let's see how he'll dodge once more the possibility of paying back Sinbad participants and (pick-?)pocket the money. I remember he said (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.msg63245716#msg63245716) almost a month ago that he'll contact a lawyer but lawyers are rara avis these days, so it's understandable if he won't find any lawyer until 2028 or so. Meanwhile he ca resume to activities where he's best at -- running best paying campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476064.msg63333554#msg63333554), starting some more topics in Reputation board, chopping beating some more trees (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446619.msg63270356#msg63270356), stuff like that.


I highly doubt that the issue will be solved soon. Meanwhile, be careful:

The coins are stained and already marked as stolen, and I can tell you that there are 3-5 agents on the screen keeping an eye on those coins, and a single movement puts Royse in jeopardy for moving a tainted coin. Royse has stated openly that he will not have anything to do with such coins until his legal team approves.

Why do you want to be the Jesus Christ ( Messiah) ?  :D


Those who did not participate in the signature campaign are more concerned with the money than those of us who did participate, understood the situation, and have moved on.

Hear that scammers?  Theymos will not hold anyone accountable before Jan 1.   :-\

Theymos has made it clear to the public that nothing new can happen concerning all mixer campaign but my major concern is the way some members take this issue as if we have just one person to blame for the problem happening.
Is it that Royse is the cause of the problem we're seeing now concerning sinbad? Are we blaming Royse or what?
To me I feel we should just say things the way we see them, the man Royse has done the best he can on this issue, trying to keep all participants out of trouble, he should be given some credit.

@Synchronice and @Igebotz, I must say that I see this differently because these guys would have made huge money already.

And by virtue of what the definition of success is, S!nbad signature campaign is a huge success. They are the kind that could be compared to the old Chipm!xer, only that their success was faster in the very shortest time. According to the report, they started in October 2022 and got to that feat in less than a year. That is what I call a success, and thanks to the signature campaign here. Because no other advertisers would have helped the m!xer achieve that kind of feat so fast if not for the Bitcoin forum itself.

Sinbad was a rebranded Blender. Blender was already a very successful. Also, it was known from the start for everyone that Sinbad was a rebranded Blender, so, all the former Blender customers would automatically move on Sinbad, for example, their old customer, The Lazarus Group, laundered millions of dollars through Sinbad, like they did with Blender. At some point, I even think that Sinbad launched signature campaign for other purposes, to improve their reputation and hide the fact that they were rebranded Blender.
There was definitely Royse's positive influence on the brand but to my mind, the overall success of the brand has nothing to do with Royse, it was a very different scenario.

So, I exclude Sinbad from successful campaigns but to my mind Royse's successful campaigns are: YoMix, Mixero and Sherbet. That's just my speculation because I can't measure their success because only the business owners know it since this information isn't shared.

Yes that can also work. If he can send the funds to a mixer and mix the coins and send them to another Bitcoin address and use that address to pay the last week participants of Sinbad because they work for it though the campaign is no more. But at least let them have some to hold body from the campaign. Though what Royse did was also for their safety because if he would have sent money to their accounts and if he send the funds to a mixer, that mixer too will enter problem so let it be like this.

But don't you think wouldn't that be implicatory? That is, I mean to use a coin/address that have already been marked stained by the U.S government, which was also the main reason for the seizure of Sinbad to be on another Mixer? Don't you think by so doing, you are likely drag that mixer to be marked as related to fraud by the U.S law enforcement agency, and seize just the same way Sinbad was seized?. Because to me, I think it will be best if this whole issue is left to die by forgetting this whole scenario, because it will be more wise for it's campaign participants to let go of this fund, rather than accept it, and end up implicating themselves with a stained wallet address, hence paying a huge sum if charged to court.

According to BlackHatCoiner, we need to treat each coin equally, no matter if a coin has been tainted or not.
His statement:

For me, campaign payment coins are clearly tainted. But a centralized mixer is designed to un-taint coins. It is, why centralized mixers have been created.

We have different options:

Option 1:
Apply BlackHatCoiner statement and treat every coin equal; say no coin is tainted

Option 2:
Assume coins are tainted,
send it to a mixer,
mix it
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can claim a little bit of it.

You don't fuck around with the big boys. They are not stupid as you think. I see the main problem is the address that is holding the payment has been marked already. When you move coins from a marked address you are likely risking the mixer too that will receive the coins.

It's easy to say there is no tainted coins, but the reality is different.

I fear some day they will start telling us, all coins are tainted. Fu*k this shit!

It's a bit more complicated than that: when I receive cash euros, I don't have to worry about how they were previously used. But if you know the money comes from something illegal, you shouldn't get involved.
Maybe it's a bit like "aiding and abetting": it's totally fine to help someone, unless you know he's involved in a crime.

How do you know if cash euro bills you are using are not secretly marked by government for tracking money flow?
This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink markings, but more likely they are using some different tech this days.
I even saw several websites and apps for tracking euro bills.

Lol. They are marked with serial numbers, and I just assume there's some level of tracking already.

You mean RFID and NFC? Nothing a Faraday wallet can't stop, until you spend them.

I've seen a site years ago that tracked how banknotes spread through different countries. But none of that matters, as long as your money is fungible.

That is obvious, but they used hidden ink before to catch criminals in some cases.
They used marked bills as evidence in court later.

You carry this cage with you all the time with your money?  ;D

For now maybe.
I dont think digital euro is fungible.

Earlier today, most of the remaining funds from the escrow moved to a new address in this transaction https://mempool.space/tx/d4011dc9aa2c2a05cef3b1d66448b34ac2f17074c6432dba5811f9e985e3123a

CPFP was used to move the BTC into another address
https://mempool.space/tx/cdbdc0e03153fedf4e1973b014f580f27e5066fc46312fc2ee52bb14ced91f8a

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This is probably related. If you’re on that list you might want to contact Royse soon.

https://t.me/R7BountyQA/31209

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/16/Yw1ha.jpeg

The initial post about the funds being moved was interesting in itself as it opened some questions about intent and action. Now the follow up edit could maybe explain it.

It's usually bad news that travels fast, but this time it was good news that travelled fast. My guess is that Royce consulted a legal expert and needed some time to figure out whether and how he can move those coins. Even after all these months, it's only the escrow address from Sinbad that is still on the official OFAC sanctions list. Incredible work done by the government agencies with great attention to detail. ::)