Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

[EarnOnVictor]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Sorry, I just saw this and I would like to reply to the OP directly.

As much as I love everyone to get paid, you should know that the BTC address sending the money is a subject of controversy right now and it's a big case we are talking about. This is to the point that Binance, which is the largest crypto exchange issued a warning and advice against that escrowed BTC address used by Royse77. At this point, it's high time that he is more cautious and involving a legal adviser can't be a bad idea. Who knows if the law enforcers are after him already? This is possible until they know the actual facts.

In other words, that account is a dangerous one now and is under investigation, it's wise that he stopped the payment until further notice.

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Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

As far as I know, Royse777 has a legitimately registered business in which he offers marketing services, including campaign signatures. I believe that when registering his business he had to appear under his real name, so taking into account everything that happens with the "risky" address, he is mostly exposed to potential liability.

Email Address support@sinbad.io; alt. Email Address adv@sinbad.io;
Digital Currency Address - XBT bc1qq7p0es3dv5hcynjjf40f2xjjr6qp5py47d2f6n847vduuq9gvnyq7y9ecd; alt.
Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JHdQHkBZiim1cb4hyUh2PbzEbbg6z2TrF; Secondary sanctions risk:

I'm surprised they don't have more Bitcoin addresses on that list.

One is the escrow address from the signature thread, the other I think was on the site, used only for signatures. It seems that the investigation did not find many things, at least not to the extent that it was in the CM case.

[BabyBandit]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments?

Are you okay or there's something wrong with you? The manager isn't sending payments to the participants because he want them to be safe from the actions that can be taken against them if they receive payments from that wallet.

Royse777 is just a campaign manager who was managing the funds of that wallet on the behalf or Sinbad for paying the participants who were promoting it on their profiles. He isn't doing any fraud and everyone agrees with whatever decision Royse will take for safety of them.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

Stop saying such rude words about a campaign manager who has been doing really great on the forum for a long time and he has proven himself worthy of trust. You're saying these words because you have some personal issues I guess with Royse, I would say keep your personal issues with yourself and stop promoting such hatred towards a guy like Royse.

I agree with this and more people should see it as you explain this. Royse doing this to help the users in the campaign not because he/she want to steal anything. That atleast what I think.

[uchegod-21]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I have no idea how to find the specific post, but I brought this up a while back.  It wasn't in the form of a suggestion if I recall, but a question as to why those spreadsheets are made public.  I got a bunch of answers.  And now here we are, all paranoid about what lists and what addresses might be on those lists are being kept by our elected thieves.  Dang, I'm thinking shit probably ought to have changed a long time ago.

I already asked this question when the issue of private spreadsheets became rampant. Although I didn't get an answer. There's a difference when a common user like me asks a question and when a reputable member like you asks a question. Your questions and opinions opinions will surely be respected.

But as someone already said, if the escrow address is made public, the essence of hidden spreadsheet is defeated. If I search the escrow address on a campaign pay day, I will be able to see all the campaign participants address, maybe I will have issues linking them, but a little more time will still reveal all.

[yahoo62278]

Off topic a little but this whole situation does make me wonder if managers should keep spreadsheets private? Who knows how many address are being watched at this point?

I have no idea how to find the specific post, but I brought this up a while back.  It wasn't in the form of a suggestion if I recall, but a question as to why those spreadsheets are made public.  I got a bunch of answers.  And now here we are, all paranoid about what lists and what addresses might be on those lists are being kept by our elected thieves.  Dang, I'm thinking shit probably ought to have changed a long time ago.

I already asked this question when the issue of private spreadsheets became rampant. Although I didn't get an answer. There's a difference when a common user like me asks a question and when a reputable member like you asks a question. Your questions and opinions opinions will surely be respected.

But as someone already said, if the escrow address is made public, the essence of hidden spreadsheet is defeated. If I search the escrow address on a campaign pay day, I will be able to see all the campaign participants address, maybe I will have issues linking them, but a little more time will still reveal all.

None of it should be public. The manager can just confirm they have funds for the week. Participants believe or leave, simple.

[coupable]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

I didn't notice this topic before, so I'll answer Op directly.
I do not know how you came up with the idea that Royce would not pay the participants in the last week of the campaign, especially since you did not provide any possible motives for the hypothesis that he would not do so. Yes, he actually did not pay the participants their wages for the last week, but this was justified and you yourself referred to it in your quote from Royce. Are you alluding to the hypothesis that Royce will silence the participants? Can you provide a logical explanation for why there is such mistrust? The participants themselves repeatedly stressed that Royce's decision to freeze payments was wise, especially since Royce knew that he would not touch any Bitcoin at that address before consulting his lawyer. I don't think he will need to explain further.

[pakhitheboss]

While everyone thinks that Royse777 is looking for a lawyer. In the meantime hr is busy arguing 😕

[banned mixer] raised their payrate to 10 USD until end of campaign. Finally beating the payrate of CM.
Any news from MixTum? Asking for a friend.

Did you mean Tumbler?

This is just a trick... and it is unlikely that they could compete with MixTum if there had not been a ban since January 1 (in every sense of the word).

As for the campaign... the campaign is still ongoing, as I have not yet received a response from MixTum.
This week I even took on two new members to the campaign.

Isn't it a very bold statement to tell something like this for one over another one?
I was asked to make the pay rate $14 per post which I could do very easily since the money is not going out of my pocket but imagine would that benefit the project? No.

As a campaign manager I think our job is to balance the marketing budget and the ROI. Sinbad was a prime example of a successful brand until ...

This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

This doesn't good look for a campaign manager to argue with  another one. When one of your project got all other banned and you are busy self praising yourself.

This my point of view and some of you would not accept it. Those who don't, please do share a valid reason.

[digaran]

This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

This doesn't good look for a campaign manager to argue with  another one. When one of your project got all other banned and you are busy self praising yourself.

Have you ever watched Pat & Mat ? It's really interesting if you watch it all. Every now and then I see pat and mat coming here like commercial breaks.
Are you a participant of that campaign? If you are, then you are in big trouble if you want to get paid with stolen money, and if you are not, then again you are just making a fool of yourself, but yes, it's all his fault right? Why nobody said anything when they were getting paid? Keep waiting for your payments from STOLEN money. Are you kidding me?
This is the proof that most of people here are immature teenagers.

[LoyceV]

While everyone thinks that Royse777 is looking for a lawyer. In the meantime hr is busy arguing 😕

I was asked to make the pay rate $14 per post which I could do very easily since the money is not going out of my pocket but imagine would that benefit the project? No.

As a campaign manager I think our job is to balance the marketing budget and the ROI. Sinbad was a prime example of a successful brand until ...

This is bad! When someone is unable to pay campaign participants it is not wise to discuss how much per post you can pay. I thought he was busy finding a solution to the ongoing issue.

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

If you say that yourself, you make me think that what we have repeated so much over the years about bitcoin being uncensurable has been revealed to be untrue. We've seen some opinions along those lines in the following thread as well:

OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored

But I disagree with you on the other point:

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think it increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I don't see what difference it makes. Mixer campaigns have decided to continue during the grace period, and some have decided to raise rates (probably because they have just started advertising and want to take advantage of the remaining month), while others have lowered them. It's not breaking the rules anyway and I don't think it makes much difference. What will make the difference will be the ban from 1 January.

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I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think it increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

These are two completely different services and two different campaigns.
I am a little surprised by the decision to increase the pay rate in this campaign, but looking at the big picture, maybe it's understandable.
It is about Tumbler Mixer, which has already invested a lot of money in the review campaign, design contest, etc... They have already deposited the funds in escrow for the signature campaign, and now that they are slowly getting to the point where they expect the return of the investment, they have been announced to be excluded from the forum. So they decided, there is no return of money from escrow, but do as much as you can until the end of the period.

[LoyceV]

If you say that yourself, you make me think that what we have repeated so much over the years about bitcoin being uncensurable has been revealed to be untrue.

Bitcoin still works fine, but real-life consequences are still a thing.
 

We've seen some opinions along those lines in the following thread as well:

OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored

Thanks, I'll add it to my list of things to read

[Bureau]

I don't think raising pay rates right after theymos announced mixers will be banned is a smart thing, and I don't think it increasing advertising efforts is correct use of the month given:

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I don't see what difference it makes. Mixer campaigns have decided to continue during the grace period, and some have decided to raise rates (probably because they have just started advertising and want to take advantage of the remaining month), while others have lowered them. It's not breaking the rules anyway and I don't think it makes much difference. What will make the difference will be the ban from 1 January.

I agree with LoyceV, raising the rate will not make any difference as the objective is to advertise within the forum till the 31st of December. Fighting over the rates and trying to make their respective Signature Campaign better than the other is an insane approach. Both of them knew that these mixer campaigns would eventually end by the deadline. I went through the discussion on the campaign thread and I feel both of them should calm down and move on.

I do not think a ban on Bitcoin mixer would make any difference to the forum. What I felt after reading a lot of discussion that the forum has led down the community and those part of mixer campaign are not at all happy with the decision.

[albert0bsd]

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OP really sucks.

He is not participan of th campaign.
The participants agree with royse decition

Yes, that’s exactly what I was talking about.

LOL you have really good answers above your reply and you just decide to ignore all those good and qualify answers

this is like finding about some already refuted conspiracy theory and select only the answers that don't refute that.

[SamReomo]

I agree with LoyceV, raising the rate will not make any difference as the objective is to advertise within the forum till the 31st of December. Fighting over the rates and trying to make their respective Signature Campaign better than the other is an insane approach. Both of them knew that these mixer campaigns would eventually end by the deadline. I went through the discussion on the campaign thread and I feel both of them should calm down and move on.

It won't make any difference surely for the mixers but it would for the campaign managers. Till now CM was the highest paying signature campaign but now the crown goes to another campaign that's paying $10 a post. That would at least make it as a saved memory because someone was paying $10 per post to the members and that's an insane rate. I know that within short duration of a few days the advertising won't reach its goals but still it's something unique and has never happened before.

[coin-investor]

I do not think a ban on Bitcoin mixer would make any difference to the forum. What I felt after reading a lot of discussion that the forum has led down the community and those part of mixer campaign are not at all happy with the decision.

I believe that the forum gained a lot of activity because of the Mixer campaign, with a good pay rate you will have good motivation to be in a healthy conversation, but Theymos has to do what he has to do even though it hurts many members who are considered good contributors on this forum.
After January 1 we will only see casinos and a few other platforms but casinos will rule the forum in terms of signature campaign.
But I'm sure Theymos is reading all of the members' opinions and we will see if there is a change of heart, it's not over until it's over until Theymos post that he will not change his mind.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I agree with LoyceV, raising the rate will not make any difference as the objective is to advertise within the forum till the 31st of December.

You don't understand anything, do you, man? I'm not just saying that because of this post, I just replied to you in another one and you just write rubbish. Read again. With whom do you agree on that point?

Fighting over the rates and trying to make their respective Signature Campaign better than the other is an insane approach. Both of them knew that these mixer campaigns would eventually end by the deadline. I went through the discussion on the campaign thread and I feel both of them should calm down and move on.

On this I agree.

I do not think a ban on Bitcoin mixer would make any difference to the forum.

Congratz, you must be the only one who thinks so.

What I felt after reading a lot of discussion that the forum has led down the community and those part of mixer campaign are not at all happy with the decision.

Tell me it didn't take you a long time and a sweat to come to that conclusion please.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week, but the Sinbad Bitcoins will still be in his possession.

If this manager does not pay the participants of the campaign, then one of the participants should bring charges of fraud against him. Otherwise, on what basis does he decide for others what and to whom to do with his payments? If he is concerned about the safety of others, just let each campaign participant send a new Bitcoin address to which the debt will be paid.

People, do you want your money to be kept by Royse777? Just because he cares about you.

This isn't a personal issue you have against Royse777 I hope, because I don't seem to understand why you would think of him as a fraud. If he has been playing dirty don't you think he would have ran away with other campaign payment before now?
OP, I feel he's trying his best to not get himself and other participants involved in what they don't have any clue about.
I believe Royse777 has a better way of paying for the remaining week and touching that fund as things are being heated up at the moment, I don't think is a great idea and that would even make him the fraudster you accuse him to be.

[EarnOnVictor]

Do you read above message just above Royse778 message you have mentioned? Some user included me, received message from Binance that we recieved fund from Sinbad signature Escrow address and we have to give cleanliness that from where we recieved fund and what is our relationship with address owner. It can result to seizing of users fund so What Royse is doing is best for community.

Please did you get to answer the questions from bknance because I'm stocked and I don't want to make silly mistakes with my answers so I'm pleading for you to give me some head way to answering  the questions please as I also got an email from binance too.

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon

Obari, no need to worry, I hope their will be no serious action against user who received payment. Honestly i didn't recieved any reply from BINANCE after submitting form. Form just contained sample inquiry like

Do you known wallet owner?
What relationship you have with address?
what is the purpose of  recieving payment?
 and at the last send screenshots or documents for proof

In my country there are no strict rules. crypto transaction is banned in our country but still no inquiry has been made against anyone. I withdraw all my fund after I recieved message and now I am feeling comfortable now.

Honestly, this could call for panic because it's the reputation of the users that are in line. To be just, Binance should use their brain to study and investigate carefully how these monies were being sent out, they are so little and regular every week, so it must have been for a purpose that is not criminal. By now, I know that they would have known what the money was being used for in the tagged escrow account as Binance is more professional than that and I doubt if the majority of users here are not using them for one thing or the other.

I also expect Royse777 who is directly involved to have contacted Binance by now to shed more light on it. This is purely a marketing arrangement but I believe this would raise more questions as to where they get to contact each other, I mean the partner, which is also simple to answer.

Above all, I advice anyone that is affected in this case where the BTC address tagged was used to pay them to be very smart. They should not have any money in Binance for now, and even in other exchanges where their assets could be seized unless the money can't be traced to the wallet address in question.

[Obari]

Above all, I advice anyone that is affected in this case where the BTC address tagged was used to pay them to be very smart. They should not have any money in Binance for now, and even in other exchanges where their assets could be seized unless the money can't be traced to the wallet address in question.

Exactly money shouldn’t be kept in binance for now because I don’t think is a nice idea but I already submitted all the answers to the questions asked but I don’t feel safe yet because I haven’t gotten any response from binance since after my submission and it’s been over 48 working hours.