Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

[AB de Royse777]

you knew at that time that mixers will stop on January 1.

Yes I knew mixers will stop from January 1st. Where is the problem?

It is not good to temporary increase rates to make it highest ever just to attract good members, and than cancel the campaign in next week.

With the coming rule that will be enforced from January 1st, things are changing fast on the forum. I think we all agree with that.

You are giving false image and bad promotion to service you are advertising.

My concern is to look after the members who worked in the campaign, and my clients. I can not make everyone happy.

Another thing you are doing is often changing and reducing payrates inside the same campaign, to everyone or to individuals.

My goal is to balance the spending and the return of the spending, which allows my clients to become top of their niche.

If you only consider the audience, will you suggest your clients to have a marketing budget and strategy that will be the same for India and Philippines? It seems you will. Good luck for the brand you are going to work for, I hope the best for you.

Unrelated with anything I said, and to my criticism, but do whatever you want.
I am sure many other members would say the same thing as me but they dont want to say anything against managers.

increased rewards with unrealistic high payment rates

place with minimal payment rewards.

Related. You failed to relate it because you have general/very average or nearly no experience about marketing knowledge. Become a pro first. The discussion will be effective. It seems I am wasting my time.

Again, if you don't like someone's way of doing business, you simply ignore their offers.

Are you hired by Royse to defend him

No, he is sharing his opinion just like you. You sound like, anyone who will share positive opinion about me, you will attack them with this question.
Since you think I hired people to defend me, let me ask you a rhetorical question. Do you think GazetaBitcoin, 1miau, airfinex and a few more are hired by Icopress to spread things against me? It seems he did.

Job: Brand the slogan "highest paying campaign"

I should make a list of signature participants who constantly received PMs (sometimes offered spots publicly) from a specific campaign manager with the promise to pay better. Then they were successfully manipulated to stay with him so that they can only works in his campaigns to look like he is the best in the industry.

For the record, I also sometimes send PMs to many reputable members but I never say anything to manipulate them to take unfair advantages.

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me. You seem ignoring everything that does not favour you in your arguments.

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[LoyceV]

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me.

Where can I get such an offer?

[notblox1]

Yes I knew mixers will stop from January 1st. Where is the problem?

Thank you.
Problem is that you knew you are going to stop campaign after one week, so you fooled everyone who applied.

My concern is to look after the members who worked in the campaign, and my clients. I can not make everyone happy.

I bet your participants are very happy with your behavior  
Consider that my voice is 99% the voice of all your participants who cant say anything against you.

No, he is sharing his opinion just like you.

I asked him, and you are not his lawyer, so dont reply for him.
Do things how you think it is best, and good luck.
I hope people will now learn how you are doing your business.

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me.

Truth hurts I know, so you have to blame me for something.
You should be a shame of yourself for saying this, and you proved who you really are now.
Maybe you made some offer to your members to talk bad against other members like icopress  

Where can I get such an offer?

He clearly knows something about that

[Shishir99]

SNIP

It does not look good anymore. 
Didn't you create a thread against Ratimov because he trolled you and used bad words and you thought he was abusive? Didn't you accuse Royse of disrespecting Hhampuz and another manager? If so, what are you doing now? What is the point of bringing these things to this thread? Don't you think he does have the right to pause/end the campaign anytime he wants?

You and some others are here to fuel the flame and make Royse look bad. If you expect respect from others, you have to respect others as well. Royse and Icopress are managers. They are competitors. But, when you question someone's reputation just because you are a good friend of another manager, it doesn't make you look smarter. You know what I mean.

I don't believe Icopress support such behaviour from his friends towards another manager. You are just trolling him and nothing else. Don't take this negatively. I am not in his campaigns, nor in Icopress's Campaigns. Logout from GazetaBitcoin accound and read it without being GazetaBitcoin. You will understand what I am talking about.

[digaran]

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me.

Where can I get such an offer?

By participating in icosomething campaigns, either by main, or by alt accounts. duh!

Edit :

I asked him, and you are not his lawyer, so dont reply for him
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Consider that my voice is 99% the voice of all your participants who cant say anything against you.

This is beyond my logic, even a contradictory character like me, can't understand this. Lol
So you deny others the right of advocacy, but at the same time trying to advocate on behalf of them?

[GazetaBitcoin]

Didn't you create a thread against Ratimov because he trolled you and used bad words and you thought he was abusive?

No. That was only the edge of the iceberg. Besides, I did not create a thread against Ratimov, but one addressing his behavior as DT. Apparently, after reading what I wrote there

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agreed that he does not belong to DT1.

Didn't you accuse Royse of disrespecting Hhampuz and another manager?

No. I stated that he does not respect other campaign managers (including Hhampuz).

If so, what are you doing now?

What am I doing now?

What is the point of bringing these things to this thread?

Statistics. Pure statistics:

the above information is pure statistics: that campaign lasted 10 days with that high payment.

Don't you think he does have the right to pause/end the campaign anytime he wants?

Of course he has this right. Just as 1miau would also have the right to pay 2 Legendary users with 25$ and turn that into best paying campaign ever and then stop it after 30 minutes.

You and some others are here to fuel the flame and make Royse look bad.

Well, some things are certainly not good.

If you expect respect from others, you have to respect others as well.

Stating that someone was banned (and he was actually banned) is disrespect? Saying someone starts endless topics of disputes (while he actually does that) is disrespect? Saying someone runs a best paying campaign for 10 days (while this actually happened) is disrespect? Saying someone was involved with a proven scam (while this actually happened) is disrespect?

You are just trolling him and nothing else.

If I were trolling I'd be breaking forum rule 3 and I'd get banned. I would certainly not do that. For the sake of the argument though, you can report my posts for trolling and see what happens. Maybe you are right though.

Don't take this negatively.

I'm not


Oh and by the way: I was never enrolled in a campaign managed by icopress; I never worked with him as a manager; and I have not been enrolled in a signature campaign since CM was shut down (excepting 3-4 weeks).

[examplens]

Are you hired by Royse to defend him because you are in one of his campaigns or you are doing it for free?

Maybe that's how you act, but it's certainly not in my case. I'm not defending anyone here, if you read my whole post again, you'll see that I'm just pointing out your biased views. Also, do we have to leave the campaign to express an opinion?

Is it right if I tell you that you should be ashamed of what you said and that it speaks about who you really are?
Considering your later statement...

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me.

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You should be a shame of yourself for saying this, and you proved who you really are now.
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but we will agree that it is nonsense and that there is no need to cause conflict with insults. I usually withdraw from such discussions, which I will probably do here after this post.

I saw that you are really trying to talk about campaigns from other managers when you dont think something is right, but you obviously have to agree with everything Royse is doing.

I criticized him too, of course. Especially for his new system of payment rates, but it seems that you missed that. For some things, I sent him a PM on Telegram, just to make sure he read my critics. I noticed later that he adapted some things from the criticisms I gave him.

Maybe he accepted you in other forum to continue with mixer campaign also, so you feel that you have to defend him.

He is not the owner of other forums, and I have seen other managers there as well. I'm not sure what the argument is here.
I think I'm older than him (not only on this forum) and I don't need to kiss his or someone's ass, I refused that in RL for much more money than $150 per week.

This was not normal at all and dont try to make it look like it was.

Again, don't look at the whole thing only from the point of view of mixer signature campaigns, they are not the centre of all events. We have only a few campaigns that last several years, and in the meantime, there were quite a few short-lived ones.
As far as I can see, the Coinomize campaign is open, although it still has a maximum duration of 2,5 weeks. I don't see that we need to make a drama about it.

He did that on purpose, and you got caught in his net, now enjoy

What net are you talking about? Well, I didn't marry him and the mixer campaign.

btw. I haven't enjoyed it for a while, Honestly, I'm almost very close to the decision to leave all this BS (not only the forum) because of many regulations and restrictions, increasingly rigorous KYC, BRC garbage and f****n high fees... quite dysfunctional for some of my needs. theymos' ban plus the things he caused just added fuel to the fire.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I should make a list of signature participants who constantly received PMs (sometimes offered spots publicly) from a specific campaign manager with the promise to pay better. Then they were successfully manipulated to stay with him so that they can only works in his campaigns to look like he is the best in the industry.

I know who you're referring to here and even a few details about what you're talking about, even if other might not.  Speaking for myself only, I'm not taking sides in any feud between you and the other party because you both manage campaigns well.  You're in a tough spot here, but I think most people understand your position and that it was probably the safest, best move you could make even if it leaves a number of members unhappy.  Nobody expected mixer advertising to be eliminated or that some of them were up to shady shit.  

I don't know.  I think you've said all you can say, and you know you're not going to make everyone happy.  Continuing to argue about this is just going to aggravate you and anyone else who engages in the argument.

btw. I haven't enjoyed it for a while, Honestly, I'm almost very close to the decision to leave all this BS (not only the forum) because of many regulations and restrictions, increasingly rigorous KYC, BRC garbage and f****n high fees... quite dysfunctional for some of my needs. theymos' ban plus the things he caused just added fuel to the fire.

Ugh.  That's unfortunate, but believe me I know how you feel.  If I didn't think that bitcoin was and always will be the king of cryptocurrency, I'd be gone in a heartbeat--but I do think that, and plus I really like this forum even when Theymos drops a hammer like he did this month.  

I've always thought that bitcoin is for saving, not spending, and thus the wicked fees haven't bothered me much (not that I save a lot anyway).  That issue has been a long-standing one with seemingly no resolution, so why let it get on your nerves now?

Edit:

He knew that mixer campaigns are not going to be allowed next year in forum but he increased rewards with unrealistic high payment rates to make his campaign highest paid and to attract good members.
Than he suddenly stopped that campaign and moved it to another place with minimal payment rewards.

Errrrrrr....rewind what I wrote above for a sec.  I think I missed what you just said Royse777 did, as I don't generally follow campaign threads in the Services section.  I revert to a neutral stance until I figure things out.

(BTW, I'm posting and then reading the thread backwards as usual.  Sorry.)

[Poker Player]

In case anyone missed it, or doesn't usually visit that section, Royse777 posted a thread on B&H that contains useful tips on how to make money on the forum but contains a subtle part that I think has quite a bit to do with this:

Very soon everyone will have some light about it. I promise but not in this topic.

The thread is:

How to sell yourserlf to potential advertisers | sales pitches included

To my mind the subtle part about icopress and GazetaBitcoin should be discussed here or in some other thread in the Reputation section, not in the B&H one.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Didn't you create a thread against Ratimov because he trolled you and used bad words and you thought he was abusive?

No. That was only the edge of the iceberg. Besides, I did not create a thread against Ratimov, but one addressing his behavior as DT. Apparently, after reading what I wrote there

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agreed that he does not belong to DT1.

Wait! Sorry, you are confusing me now. I need to read all the Messages you sent from the start again. Too many of them LOL

[Igebotz]

Are you hired by Royse to defend him because you are in one of his campaigns or you are doing it for free?
I saw that you are really trying to talk about campaigns from other managers when you dont think something is right, but you obviously have to agree with everything Royse is doing.
Maybe he accepted you in other forum to continue with mixer campaign also, so you feel that you have to defend him.

You are free to express your thoughts and criticise others, but when someone does the same thing, it becomes "are you hired by Royse to defend him?" It is so disrespectful and strange for you to believe that everyone must have identical opinions to yours. Royse has always struck me as someone who safeguards his clients' interests while not abusing the marketing budget. As a competent manager/promoter, your priority is to serve your client's interests against all odds, and Royse did just that.

Since theymos' announcement, the community has been less hospitable and accepting to mixers. I witnessed 2-3 Mixers halt signature operations on the forum a few weeks back and there was no cough about it or concerns about the sudden stop, so why does Royse's decision constantly raise the dick of everyone on the reputation board?

This was not normal at all and dont try to make it look like it was.
He did that on purpose, and you got caught in his net, now enjoy 

He stopped the campaign on what purpose? If this is not hate then I don't know what it is. You're a Mafia spy and a friend of The Sherrif, but this isn't the way to go.

[LoyceV]

You are free to express your thoughts and criticise others, but when someone does the same thing, it becomes "are you hired by Royse to defend him?"

Lol, I missed that post. This is getting better and better:

Are you hired by Royse to defend him

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me.

Guys, I'm available! My loyalties are flexible! Should I create an Auction thread for this, or will it happen under the table?

Seriously though, it sounds paranoid to even think people are being paid for a certain opinion on something as unimportant as another user on a forum. Even better when both parties think the same! And for whoever missed the sarcasm above: my loyalties are not for sale.

[Igebotz]

Seriously though, it sounds paranoid to even think people are being paid for a certain opinion on something as unimportant as another user on a forum. Even better when both parties think the same! And for whoever missed the sarcasm above: my loyalties are not for sale.

The fact that the username " Royse777" has been used 559 times on the reputation board alone since January is crazy.

To add salt to the wound, LoyceV has used the username "Royse777 in his posts 62 times and rank No.1. This must be love ? 

A victim of his own success?

[LoyceV]

A victim of his own success?

What can I say, I don't choose who shows up on my weekly list of DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Seriously though, it sounds paranoid to even think people are being paid for a certain opinion on something as unimportant as another user on a forum. Even better when both parties think the same! And for whoever missed the sarcasm above: my loyalties are not for sale.

I've seen that line of thinking on conspiracy websites so many times, it boggles my mind why people believe would be paid in some backroom deal to write posts agreeing with the person paying them.  The truth is that some people take sides based on their opinion of whatever, whether it's someone's performance as a campaign manager or some other loyalty that wasn't bought and paid for.  I've stuck up for Royse777 in the past because he never cheated me and was completely above board in any dealings I had with him.  Same goes for icopress, Hhampuz, and many other people here.  I'm sure that same motivation or similar is the driving force for whoever is disagreeing with notblox1. 

Seems like I missed some more recent drama with Royse777, because I'm reading new accusations.  Question:  is all the information in this thread or elsewhere?  I'd like to know before I embark on a bunch of reading that would require a lot of attention being paid to it.  I'm not being lazy, just efficient and asking for help.

[digaran]

Let me get you on speed here, don't bother read walls of texts, royse777 is like Apple(company), this forum is like US, now he has decided to move to China(altcoinstalkssomething.com) to enslave forum members further.(lol honestly, for the one campaign I checked there, they are paying $1.20 per post, not bad for most people) now people are saying why did he cancelled tumbler here after promising $10 per post until 1st Jan and moved the campaign there with much lower payments?

And royse had an exposee on GB and icosomething by revealing their resumes they sent to service owners. And we are here to discuss and at the same time fulfill our quotas, at the end, we'd get paid, some people would get hurt/damaged, while the world watches and laughs whispering "these people wanted to revolutionize the economy?" They would then go to asleep like a baby. Because we have turned to a joke, all we care about is worth less than $1M per year. Lol

Surely, we will conquer the wall street in no time [insert the skeleton behind a desk here]. Final lol.

[nutildah]

What can I say, I don't choose who shows up on my weekly list of DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned).

Admit it Loyce, the entire reason you constructed and maintain these lists is so you can covertly profess your love and admiration of Royse777.

Seems like I missed some more recent drama with Royse777, because I'm reading new accusations.  Question:  is all the information in this thread or elsewhere?  I'd like to know before I embark on a bunch of reading that would require a lot of attention being paid to it.  I'm not being lazy, just efficient and asking for help.

Its really not worth reading. No manager has a 100% success rate when it comes to avoiding projects that turn out to be scams, or not what they were advertising themselves as (although some are better at staying away from them than others).

[Rampagoe004]

I was a participant in the Sinbad campaign, even though it was just an Avatar campaign. I believe that Royse777 is very professional and never once tries to cheat people. What Royse is doing is on the basis of safety for everyone. Don't you know how many people panicked at that time?

I don't mind not getting paid that last week. It's not that he doesn't want to pay, but Royse777 shouldn't pay for security reasons. I have not found any participants from the campaign who protested and accused Royse777. I personally still consider Royse to be one of the best managers on this forum.

[1miau]

Since I've been participating in both campaigns, managed by Royse777 and icopress and have been happy with both, it's quite surprising that some people (including me) are accused with unproven fake accusations /speculations now:

Do you think GazetaBitcoin, 1miau, airfinex and a few more are hired by Icopress to spread things against me? It seems he did.

Job: Brand the slogan "highest paying campaign"

For simply making a joke in MixTum's signature campaign topic managed by icopress, I even did a similar joke back then somewhere else already some months ago and no one cared.  
It's not allowed to make jokes anymore if these could hurt some people's feelings help evaluating the unnecessary flexing with campaign payments?  
Are there no valid arguments, that the only attack are unproven fake accusations?
Aside from that, the statement in my message could not be disproven, neither in the MixTum topic, nor here because it's perfectly pointing out that flexing with "highest paying campaign" is much more than just a single number without any context as pointed out here as well:

I might run a signature campaign with 2 Legendaries for one week paying 25$ per post (up to 15 posts) and call it "the highest paying campaign".

I might run a signature campaign with only 1 user; and not even Legendary, but just Jr. Member, paying 30$/post (up to 1 post) and call it "the highest paying campaign", since I'd pay more than you and even more than Royse, lol. And if I'd want to look even more eccentric, I could runt it also for 11 days, thus it would become also "the longest best paying campaign".

My best guess is that you received an under table offer too to spread things against me.

As a professional campaign manager, first thing I would do, would be to stop spreading weird and unproven fake accusations / speculations about "under table offer too to spread things".

As said before, I've been working with both icopress and Royse777, very good experience.
The best campaign management is to provide a professional campaign, both for advertised service and for participants (+ for the forum as well by rewarding quality posters).
And as a side note: I'm a campaign manager as well: [AKTUELL KEINE TEILNEHMER GESUCHT] Große kleine Yassin Profilbildkampagne  
With spreadsheet and hookers.  

[Synchronice]

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

I'd expect a more careful approach towards mixers from someone who's in possession of banned funds.

Good advice! Personally I was expecting that people would slowly leave mixer signature campaigns instead of a sudden burst till 1st January.

I was not member of recent campaigns managed by Royse, but I am little surprised how he was handling things recently.
He knew that mixer campaigns are not going to be allowed next year in forum but he increased rewards with unrealistic high payment rates to make his campaign highest paid and to attract good members.
Than he suddenly stopped that campaign and moved it to another place with minimal payment rewards.
It is not good to create fake picture in competition with other managers, and for me this is not ethical.
I dont have anything against Royse and I wish him all best, but i think he is making to many mistakes in his work as a manager.

I don't understand why did that turn into a huge problem. It doesn't matter which campaign is the highest paid campaign. The only thing that matters how much freedom campaign gives to its users, how good users it chooses and how effective is campaign for the business according to the money they spent into it.
If anyone want to argue about highest paid signature campaign, then they have to compare campaign that has the highest payrate with highest number of participants for a long time, probably at least for 6 months or 12 months. They have to keep in mind the value in USD that campaign was spending each week. Chipmixer was the highest paid signature campaign on this forum, no one can deny that. It was paying a lot, had many participants and was on this forum for 5 years.

No doubt, [banned mixer] is the brand who are going to be the most unfortunate project on Bitcointalk community. They already spent a lot of money but when it was time to start receiving the benefits, a massive change in the rule messed up the initial plan that was set to execute. Things started to change and we had to make many changes, many business calls (calculated risks) - together or even alone myself as their campaign manager.

To be frank, it was a huge mistake from you to start a Sinbad signature campaign when it was known that Sinbad was a project of sanctioned mixer called Blender. It was also a mistake that forum administration let Sinbad to promote themselves here. Many mistakes were done.

However, I can not stay blind to such actions. I just stated once that he should show more respect to other campaign managers, especially to old ones (like Hhampuz) -- is that wrong? and that constantly bragging himself is only making him to look ridiculous -- is that wrong?.

Did Royse claimed or entitled his campaign as the highest paid signature campaign? I don't remember but maybe I am wrong, can't be 100% sure.
To be frank, it wasn't nice from icopress to say that in the long run, it was very unlikely that Royse's campaign could compete with Mixtum in every sense of the word.

Also, Royse hasn't expressed any disrespect towards Hhampuz. Icopress said that Hhampuz was taller than both of them (this disrespects Royse but shows respect towards Hhampuz and also shows that Icopress is not an egoist) that meant that Hhampuz was better manager and above of them. Roise's response was more direct and oriented on word tall as a meaning of height and I would say that his response was carrying humor, I can't call that a disrespect towards Hhampuz. Has Hhampuz taken that as a disrespect?
P.S. I don't know anything else that has happened between Royse and Icopress, so I can't touch their topics anymore. I only comment about this case.

I don't know why you want to add fuel to the fire with that ironic tone

Very soon everyone will have some light about it. I promise but not in this topic.

Don't consider yourself the center of the business. You and GazetaBitcoin really needs a break. Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean).

Just a piece of advice, you can ignore it or consider it, it's up to you but I'll say anyway: If you know and have proofs that someone does something shady, you have to make it immediately public. It's not very masculine and morally right to keep quiet until they touch personally you and then make a threat that if they don't shut their mouth, you are going to reveal everything about them.

I hope things will go well for all of you. It's not necessary to fight and disrespect each-other.