Mixers to be banned

[cryptosize]

What if an AI entity decides to start mining BTC? What is the IRS gonna do?

This is bound to happen within the next 10-20 years...

Hopefully USA will be humbled by then.

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[worldofcoins]

What if an AI entity decides to start mining BTC? What is the IRS gonna do?

They are going to ask to change the algo of such AIs or charge the owner of these entities with a crime.

Or are you referring to AIs with human rights?  

[cryptosize]

What if an AI entity decides to start mining BTC? What is the IRS gonna do?

They are going to ask to change the algo of such AIs or charge the owner of these entities with a crime.

Or are you referring to AIs with human rights?  

I'm talking about an autonomous AI/robot that decides independently it's worth mining BTC.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't go against the 3 Laws of Robotics.

[JollyGood]

The thread will always be an active reference points but sufficient time must have passed by now for the message to have filtered through therefore the thread might better be served if it is locked. Several recent posts here certainly should not have been allowed to remain. The quality of some of the posts are of a sub-standard enough level to be called in to question.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

[philipma1957]

The thread will always be an active reference points but sufficient time must have passed by now for the message to have filtered through therefore the thread might better be served if it is locked. Several recent posts here certainly should not have been allowed to remain. The quality of some of the posts are of a sub-standard enough level to be called in to question.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Well theymos added jambler to the mix. So likely we need it to stay open in case more is added to ban mix.

With The activation of new federal laws in the USA 🇺🇸 theymos will need to step carefully.

Here is hoping that things go in a better direction sooner than later .

 The mixer ban cost me 6 or 7k as I lost that signature.
 The USA laws that activated this year cost me 40k mining income maybe less maybe more.
 It has been a difficult 2024 so far.

[examplens]

Well theymos added jambler to the mix. So likely we need it to stay open in case more is added to ban mix.

Fun fact, I made a list of Bitcoin mixers (outside Bitcointalk) where it is possible to compare each mixer, the features they offer, and the service fee... But I can't include Jambler as a mixer in that comparison table, because it doesn't have any of those parameters. 

With The activation of new federal laws in the USA 🇺🇸 theymos will need to step carefully.

Bitcointalk has been banned in Russia, but who cares.
Maybe it's time to think about moving the forum to a friendlier zone until the new limitations come.

[JollyGood]

I tried to find a specific post where Jambler was mentioned but I guess that does not matter now. Jambler has been disallowed, that is the end of the matter.

As for your losses or potential losses, I have read several posts about the numbers you point to and I genuinely feel sorry about that. That bespoke signature arrangement you had was quite some deal. I have no idea about US laws and how they affected your income and associated tax but I hope you find other revenue streams soon.

The thread will always be an active reference points but sufficient time must have passed by now for the message to have filtered through therefore the thread might better be served if it is locked. Several recent posts here certainly should not have been allowed to remain. The quality of some of the posts are of a sub-standard enough level to be called in to question.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Well theymos added jambler to the mix. So likely we need it to stay open in case more is added to ban mix.

With The activation of new federal laws in the USA 🇺🇸 theymos will need to step carefully.

Here is hoping that things go in a better direction sooner than later .

 The mixer ban cost me 6 or 7k as I lost that signature.
 The USA laws that activated this year cost me 40k mining income maybe less maybe more.
 It has been a difficult 2024 so far.

[cryptofrka]

Maybe it's time to think about moving the forum to a friendlier zone until the new limitations come.

To be honest, I expected this to happen when discussions about the mixer ban started.
Not really into forum politics but I do know there's a lot of BTC in forum reserves and this seemed like a perfect opportunity to use it for the betterment of the forum in general.

I still hope some of the senior members will step up soon, theymos included. There are a lot of smart heads here and surely there's a better option available.

[mindrust]

Maybe it's time to think about moving the forum to a friendlier zone until the new limitations come.

To be honest, I expected this to happen when discussions about the mixer ban started.
Not really into forum politics but I do know there's a lot of BTC in forum reserves and this seemed like a perfect opportunity to use it for the betterment of the forum in general.

I still hope some of the senior members will step up soon, theymos included. There are a lot of smart heads here and surely there's a better option available.

The forum reserves should be good enough to buy an island.

Maybe it is time to start our own republic somewhere in the ocean.

That way we can tell the US to gf himself.

[NotATether]

To be honest, I expected this to happen when discussions about the mixer ban started.
Not really into forum politics but I do know there's a lot of BTC in forum reserves and this seemed like a perfect opportunity to use it for the betterment of the forum in general.

I still hope some of the senior members will step up soon, theymos included. There are a lot of smart heads here and surely there's a better option available.

Most likely beyond existing infrastructure costs, the admins are not going to spend any more money on other stuff.

[JollyGood]

After reading the post a couple of questions do rightfully come to mind. How are those funds being spent apart from paying for the regular server/hosting fees and moderators salary? If the forum reserves are sufficient enough to buy an island, one will always ask the question about why the new/updated forum was never completed.

What exactly are the donated funds going to be spent on?

The forum reserves should be good enough to buy an island.

Maybe it is time to start our own republic somewhere in the ocean.

That way we can tell the US to gf himself.

[joker_josue]

Bitcointalk has been banned in Russia, but who cares.
Maybe it's time to think about moving the forum to a friendlier zone until the new limitations come.

There are no server structures with better performance than those found in the USA or Europe. Therefore, everything ends up being more or less the same, if we want to operate with the same level of quality.

[mindrust]

Bitcointalk has been banned in Russia, but who cares.
Maybe it's time to think about moving the forum to a friendlier zone until the new limitations come.

There are no server structures with better performance than those found in the USA or Europe. Therefore, everything ends up being more or less the same, if we want to operate with the same level of quality.

I think we can host this forum on a raspberry pi 4. Slap a 10tb hdd on it and we are almost ready to rip. If we can manage to hack Elon’s starlink it would be even easier. Blackhatcoiner probably has the necessary h4x0r skillz for the job.

The admin will guard the rpi4 (server) from the US agents while we do surfing on the crazy Atlantic wavezz

[BlackHatCoiner]

Blackhatcoiner probably has the necessary h4x0r skillz for the job.

I already know that this username was a bad choice. You don't have to remind me.  


Edit:

I think it's quite evident that governments worldwide and especially the U.S did not attempt to destroy BTC a decade ago when doing so was relatively easy, simply because they understood exactly how it works and they allowed it to grow, and they had a plan of how to control it when the time comes, and as far as things seem to me right now, they have already got the keys -- it's all those large miners located in the U.S.

I think you're overestimating the government's effectiveness. Have you been inside a government-owned department? Government people are little different than ordinary people. They're looking on how to make money, just like the rest of us. Their willing to benefit the country collectively (if any) is secondary. Attacking Bitcoin is, hopefully for the last time, one big financial suicide. Be it now or 10 years ago. Even low-value altcoins do not experience 51% attacks, unless one big hash power holder wants to reverse transactions (again, for profit).

And also,

Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof.

Alright, maybe now the username is spot on!  

[joker_josue]

I think we can host this forum on a raspberry pi 4. Slap a 10tb hdd on it and we are almost ready to rip. If we can manage to hack Elon’s starlink it would be even easier. Blackhatcoiner probably has the necessary h4x0r skillz for the job.

The admin will guard the rpi4 (server) from the US agents while we do surfing on the crazy Atlantic wavezz

As @BlackHatCoiner commented, I will believe you are living up to your name by saying this.
Keeping a website running is not simply having a simple computer connected to the internet, there is much more involved. Especially a site like BitcoinTalk.

[mindrust]

As @BlackHatCoiner commented, I will believe you are living up to your name by saying this.

I am not sure if you understand what's really going on here but ok. Maybe read blackhath4x0r's post again?

Keeping a website running is not simply having a simple computer connected to the internet, there is much more involved. Especially a site like BitcoinTalk.

Umm... What else do we need? Interwebz, raspberry pi, an admin...

3 amp adapter? (I heard 2A ain't cutting it anymore)

[joker_josue]

Umm... What else do we need? Interwebz, raspberry pi, an admin...

3 amp adapter? (I heard 2A ain't cutting it anymore)

Firstly, I have doubts that a raspberry can handle the amount of data that is processed on a site like Bitcointalk.
Second, you need to have a dedicated circuit or dedicated IP.
Third, you needed to have a stable enough internet connection to ensure that the site is always online.

Among other things. See some photos of server locations to get some ideas of what a site like this involves.

[mindrust]

Umm... What else do we need? Interwebz, raspberry pi, an admin...

3 amp adapter? (I heard 2A ain't cutting it anymore)

Firstly, I have doubts that a raspberry can handle the amount of data that is processed on a site like Bitcointalk.
Second, you need to have a dedicated circuit or dedicated IP.
Third, you needed to have a stable enough internet connection to ensure that the site is always online.

Among other things. See some photos of server locations to get some ideas of what a site like this involves.

So you are saying this server would fail?

I am not sure mate. I think this set up looks pretty capable but I ain't no expert on serverz and shiet. I only know B1 level Javascript and some A2 level node.js.

This is going to work on solar too. A 100w fold-able panel will keep this baby up for a loong time.

enough from me, i'm leaving this topic

[Sandra_hakeem]

The mixer ban cost me 6 or 7k as I lost that signature.
 The USA laws that activated this year cost me 40k mining income maybe less maybe more.

I'm sorry for your loss mate... That's a wholesome amount to have lost due to some unscrupulous government policies... The US and most European countries have been polluted and have built fake image against Bitcoin; and Yes, the future of our toil is somewhat tarnished -- with the sanctions and bans here and there -- Bitcoin may not possess the same features as it was made with..^{[that's if they decide to leave it be]}

They're looking on how to make money, just like the rest of us. Their willing to benefit the country collectively (if any) is secondary. Attacking Bitcoin is, hopefully for the last time, one big financial suicide. Be it now or 10 years ago.

look at that! They keep covering up their greediness with the aim to trace money laundering cases - to which they feel Bitcoin has made that an ease to.
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Bitcoin may not possess the same features as it was made with..

Careful.  That statement is close to letting you find out what actual censorship is...

I know exactly what I said boss
The government added censorships to the system, yes! Has Bitcoin totally lost its features, atleast globally? Not yet!

[OgNasty]

Bitcoin may not possess the same features as it was made with..

Careful.  That statement is close to letting you find out what actual censorship is...