Where the mixers will promote their projects?

[Z-tight]

Old mixers that are been running for several years already have returning clients, it's the new and not fully established mixers that need marketing and promotions

This is partly true, but every service needs advertisement, even if they have been operating for a long time. There are services on bitcointalk that have run their signature campaign for years, but they didn't stop, and it is because advertisement keeps your service in the minds of your customers, if you stop advertising, it is possible people might forget about your service and use the ones that are advertising their services.

Returning clients also have to be careful, there have been many failed mixers that were advertising in the forum before they failed, and some of them were still accepting deposits even after they failed and were not processing withdrawals, imagine a returning client who is not aware of this info, whatever they deposit is lost for good.

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[Saisher]

Old mixers that are been running for several years already have returning clients, it's the new and not fully established mixers that need marketing and promotions

This is partly true, but every service needs advertisement, even if they have been operating for a long time. There are services on bitcointalk that have run their signature campaign for years, but they didn't stop, and it is because advertisement keeps your service in the minds of your customers, if you stop advertising, it is possible people might forget about your service and use the ones that are advertising their services.

Returning clients also have to be careful, there have been many failed mixers that were advertising in the forum before they failed, and some of them were still accepting deposits even after they failed and were not processing withdrawals, imagine a returning client who is not aware of this info, whatever they deposit is lost for good.

They can still research for feedback, some bloggers and articles mentioned mixers although not by recommendation if the article is reputable and there is negative feedback on mixers in their article they will take them down and retain only mixers that are servicing people who need mixers, you can always find complaints and feedbacks from mixer users in the internet, one of these platforms is Reddit, where the community admin allow discussion about mixers.
You just have to be diligent with your research.

[tabas]

Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

Old mixers that are been running for several years already have returning clients, it's the new and not fully established mixers that need marketing and promotions because of the limitless platforms where they can promote their service they have to make sure that they have far better support than all the other mixers to get a share of the market since they are going to be ban here in Bitcointalk, other platforms are opening up to accommodate them in exchange to activity, and they are more willing until they get the same issues like Bitcointalk experience.

Yes, that's for sure with the established ones and the new forum policy might even be an advantage to them since their competitors will be gone into the greater way of marketing them through the forum. Whilst for the other forum, it's attracting more visitors and traffic but the question is, for how long? Until they keep the campaign running there or when someone from the government steps in as well and tried to seize one of them?

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league.

That's also why the payrate is so low there compared to what was and is still offered on Bitcointalk. Here, you used to get $5-7 (up to $10) now. I doubt you will get more than $1.5-2.0 on AltcoinsTalk.

That's a dry run I guess but there is no question why it's a bigger rate in here because traffic is way better. Anyway, good luck to them.

[Z-tight]

They can still research for feedback, some bloggers and articles mentioned mixers although not by recommendation if the article is reputable and there is negative feedback on mixers in their article they will take them down and retain only mixers that are servicing people who need mixers,

The forum makes it easier and faster for customers to identify a mixer or a service that has failed or turned into a scam, if you think bloggers and articles will publish such info as quickly as people get it here, then you are wrong. I understand your point, but we can all agree that a lot of people will lose their money to scam mixers when the forum stops advertising and linking to mixers, it is not so easy to get information out there, like it is here. Some services are going to start very well and get people's trust and then stop processing withdrawals, and before the information spreads, a lot of people would have been scammed, i do hope i am wrong, but i believe we are going to see situations like these from next month.

[SamReomo]

This forum is not the only place mixers could get advertise, they definitely will look for another means to still market their service.

The mixers won't advertise their services on platforms like YouTube or any other social media platform. The main reason for that is they don't want to be chased by authorities because it would be easier for authorities to take action against mixers if they start advertising on social media platforms.

They mainly advertised their services on this forum and now I think one of the mixers of this forum is advertising their services on another similar forum. They will have to struggle a lot in order to find new clients because they want targeted audience to see their ads not just the whole public.

[Saisher]

They can still research for feedback, some bloggers and articles mentioned mixers although not by recommendation if the article is reputable and there is negative feedback on mixers in their article they will take them down and retain only mixers that are servicing people who need mixers,

The forum makes it easier and faster for customers to identify a mixer or a service that has failed or turned into a scam, if you think bloggers and articles will publish such info as quickly as people get it here, then you are wrong. I understand your point, but we can all agree that a lot of people will lose their money to scam mixers when the forum stops advertising and linking to mixers, it is not so easy to get information out there, like it is here. Some services are going to start very well and get people's trust and then stop processing withdrawals, and before the information spreads, a lot of people would have been scammed, i do hope i am wrong, but i believe we are going to see situations like these from next month.

Unfortunately, the administrator of any forum has a policy to protect their platform they cannot make a disclaimer that the forum is not associated with any Bitcoin mixer while the members of the community are posting differently from what is the policy of the forum, compared to articles and vloggers they can make it appear the write-ups or videos are for information only because the writer or vloggers only has the full control of the content of this platform.
Bitcointalk has thousands of members and the administrator has no control over what's being posted by members unless they are word-filtered.

[Lucius]

I just wonder how they choose their priorities - they come to the forum and see which is the most popular mixer, or they put them all in a hat and draw a name

I think they are tracking Lazarus Group because from the first blender was seized in 2021 and until today they have been directly or indirectly under the management of that group starting with Tornado Cash, Blender.io^[2] Chipmixer^[3] and Sinbad^[4]

The only exception is bestmixer. I did not find that they have strong links to the Lazarus Group. Perhaps the reason for seizes is the data leak after the dark web market seized.
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This is the same group that they blame for every major hack that has happened in the last 5 years, and at the same time there is no concrete evidence that they really exist? It seems to me that this group was created in the already well-known kitchen of black operations and serves precisely as the reason that all those fighters for law and justice can be reckoned with what is not under the control of the government.

If this group is so powerful, then why would they use mixers that are under the supervision of the authorities, and not invent a much more effective solution for money laundering - for example, through the banking system that launders hundreds of billions every year, and at the same time we do not hear that the authorities have closed any big bank.

[NotATether]

If this group is so powerful, then why would they use mixers that are under the supervision of the authorities, and not invent a much more effective solution for money laundering - for example, through the banking system that launders hundreds of billions every year, and at the same time we do not hear that the authorities have closed any big bank.

That is because they cannot just use any mixer, as nobody is sure whether they, and which ones, are FBI honeypots.

A lot of their stash is in other coins besides Bitcoin. That precludes using mixers for any of them because the ones on bitcointalk only work with Bitcoin.

Also they need to be sure that the owner is not going to sell them out. For example (and this is only theoretical), maybe MixTum is forced to hand over Lazarus bitcoins over to FIOD or some other government should they ever get any.

Maybe they had a guy in the know, who was running Sinbad, and they paid him off, that's how they were so safe using it.

[Pmalek]

If this group is so powerful, then why would they use mixers that are under the supervision of the authorities, and not invent a much more effective solution for money laundering - for example, through the banking system that launders hundreds of billions every year, and at the same time we do not hear that the authorities have closed any big bank.

Probably because of heavy sanctions that are in place against everyone and everything that is connected with the ruling power of North Korea. Lazarus Group is always mentioned as a state-operated hacking team. If that is true, it would make sense that they use Bitcoin and other assets outside of the traditional banking system. They would be fools to use tether and similar centralized tokens that can be easily frozen. I just read that over 100 Ethereum addresses were frozen over the weekend after a new Tether policy update. There wasn't a lot of money, but still.

[coupable]

Mixers can promote their mixers on cryptotalk.org too but they will not get any result. Compare the traffic of bitcointalk to altcointalks and cryptotalk, I think the signature campaign run on this forum will result in far superior results compared to signature campaigns run on altcoinstalk and cryptotalk.

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league. They may continue their advertisement there but eventually, if they're not liking the results, it is just going to end up with the expected result. Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

[tabas]

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league. They may continue their advertisement there but eventually, if they're not liking the results, it is just going to end up with the expected result. Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

So, the other platforms don't also want to allow them for advertising space because that could give them an eye from the government that tracks down dirty money and uses them for it. It's also possible that the next place that they're going to advertise might get some caution of giving them a notice to disallow them to advertise. But let's see, just like the other conventional websites and platforms, they're just doing safety precautions and filtering the ads that they might allow to pop on them that won't have any troubles caught by the regulators. Onto the new platforms, it's favorable to them as it definitely will attract more visitors for the meantime.

[KingsDen]

If this group is so powerful, then why would they use mixers that are under the supervision of the authorities, and not invent a much more effective solution for money laundering - for example, through the banking system that launders hundreds of billions every year, and at the same time we do not hear that the authorities have closed any big bank.

Probably because of heavy sanctions that are in place against everyone and everything that is connected with the ruling power of North Korea. Lazarus Group is always mentioned as a state-operated hacking team. If that is true, it would make sense that they use Bitcoin and other assets outside of the traditional banking system. They would be fools to use tether and similar centralized tokens that can be easily frozen. I just read that over 100 Ethereum addresses were frozen over the weekend after a new Tether policy update. There wasn't a lot of money, but still.

If bitcoin was to be centralized as the banks and the mixer CEO has much right and power like the bank managers or directors, they could easily send bitcoin across and delete any traces of it. It is because of the decentralized nature of bitcoin, that is why it is so difficult to completely stitch the loopholes left by its transactions and which is why it is not also easy to develop more efficient system than the mixers.
As for the question of where mixers will promote, we should know that necessity prompts invention.

[digaran]

It would be interesting to compile a list of all the teleported members to altcointalk and post all of their Bitcointalk shenanigans over there for people to know their unmasked nature. I mean do these services want some shady characters advertise for them? I'm eager to get to know their team members, maybe they listen to reason and even tag them accordingly, because we wouldn't want weasels and parasites to spread to other places, right?

[Latviand]

There are still a lot of website out there that will accept to run ads for any mixers that hire them, there are also some android app that display ads, mixers could take their promotion there too. Since Google didn't ban mixer, they could still permit their ads to pup out on YouTube depending if any mixers takes their advertising there, same could be applicable to Facebook, X (Twitter), LinkedIn and more other social media out there. This forum is not the only place mixers could get advertise, they definitely will look for another means to still market their service.

That's what I think so too, it's not like just because the forum doesn't allow it anymore doesn't mean that other websites won't advertise them too, they might still be able to squeeze in their services somewhere and Google ads probably won't mind them being advertised but now that they're not here in the forum, I'm sure that more people are going to fall for scammers that will pose as legitimate crypto mixers unless there's a way that we can still list them here which is unlikely to happen. Other social media platforms won't be a big help for the mixers though as those are also populated by scammers, yes they will find other places to advertise but now it's going to be more difficult for them and for the people that want to use mixers.

[aioc]

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

Because the community or forum is dynamic, people will stay on to read all the discussions compared to an advertising platform which will only show the platform site or banners, mixers will always have markets, and their clients will follow them on whatever platform they choose just to see if their service is still up to date the proof that they have a huge market is the amount of money they pour just to advertise their service if they can allocate huge funding then there's a big probability that they have existing and loyal clients.

[BenCodie]

Legitimate mixers won't have any issues promoting their services in various platforms. There are social medias whic everyone uses. Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

Social media and ads for mixers? Is that actually a thing? I'm very surprised if it's allowed there and not here...further addressing that ...

Google is not banning mixers and platforms that review and advertise mixers so a user will just have to type the word mixer, unless Google filters out mixer keywords and platforms that advertise and promote mixers, you can still find them here in the mainnet not only on the darknet and other online communities discuss and promote mixers like Reddit.

Maybe in the future when US authorities request the major search engines to ban Mixers from showing up in search queries and request domain registrar and hosting to ban mixers that will be the time that we will not see mixers on the internet only on the darknet.

...I highly doubt that an account would be able to easily promote a mixer on google or social media if it does not align with the US financial regulators guidelines, being that mixers aren't banned, but they must KYC their customers. If a mixer isn't following that guideline and others, I doubt that they'd last long on Google before ban or questioning.

I personally wouldn't trust one being promoted on those platforms purely because there would have to be a string attached currently or in the near future.

Darknet sites, probably?

Drug-related forums, marketplaces, etc...

Basically: legit users will have a harder time finding legit ones; criminals will still have access to it.

Summed up well...
Unfortunately.
It shouldn't be that way for legit users.

Words spread fast these days. How do you think did the Lazarus group hear about Blender, Tornado Cash, Chipmixer, Sinbad, and others? Bitcointalk.org? I don't think so.

It's not as if this forum is the last bastion for all these players, not even in the surface web. And the surface web isn't probably the playground for the likes of this group. The deep web and the dark web are a wider playground for them. I think news about a new mixer would spread out pretty quick in those areas.

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To be honest, I think that Lazarus group is a fictional group. It doesn't make sense for North Korea to have so talented hackers, even if they are protected by the government, it still doesn't make sense if we keep in mind the philosophy of that country. Also, Lazarus group has so much money and so many talented people, they could run their own mixer/coinjoin services instead of using someone else's.

I kind of agree with this, I think it's just a result of investigators' inability to track crimes, why not just say that these criminals are in extreme areas that they can't access. Or (random thingking), it's actually a concocted "project" to confiscate the multimillion dollar money resstrained in a mixer.

I wouldn't put it past MSM and crypto MSM to follow this agenda to prevent anyone from any case looking like the perpetrators were truly anonymous, and just blaming North Korea to prevent inspiring the wrong kinds of people. I would hope that this isn't the case though as that would be pretty baseless propaganda, and would he pretty messed up (but not surprising) if so.

North Korea having a talented hacking group, would be an investment that makes sense for that country. It would be ironic considering the entire population has no access to media and information outside of their country (still no internet too?)...but it would be in line with what they do. Those hackers would have no choice but to work for their government, or reenter a society where computers are virtually worthless.

This would be an interesting topic for the politics and society board.

[coupable]

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

Because the community or forum is dynamic, people will stay on to read all the discussions compared to an advertising platform which will only show the platform site or banners, mixers will always have markets, and their clients will follow them on whatever platform they choose just to see if their service is still up to date the proof that they have a huge market is the amount of money they pour just to advertise their service if they can allocate huge funding then there's a big probability that they have existing and loyal clients.

The mixer's ability to spend on relatively expensive advertising campaigns does not necessarily mean the success of those campaigns, because it is very important to choose the promotion platform. Users will follow the official channels of the Mixers to stay updated, but this does not mean at all that they will remain on a forum that does not have content that attracts their attention, because they will not spend their time just seeing signatures bearing the names and links of the Mixers without having another clear goal.
The idea came to my mind of launching a site like Bestchange, where mixers pay the site for listings, and the site works to promote the listing services without referring directly to the mixers. The idea can be easily implemented technically, but there are certainly other obstacles that are absent from our awareness.

[EarnOnVictor]

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

Because the community or forum is dynamic, people will stay on to read all the discussions compared to an advertising platform which will only show the platform site or banners, mixers will always have markets, and their clients will follow them on whatever platform they choose just to see if their service is still up to date the proof that they have a huge market is the amount of money they pour just to advertise their service if they can allocate huge funding then there's a big probability that they have existing and loyal clients.

Once they are not yet declared illegal, I believe they will continue to find their root somewhere else and will try as much as possible to be known in some sites that do not care and that are entirely in for the money. But this place is different and I love how things are going now, we have some integrity to protect, at least, not linking us with what is known for much evil is a way forward.

Besides, m!xers' more marketing has started happening, a friend called me 2 days ago that one of the m!xers here has started advertising with some alternatives of Bitcointalk, and that they are offering a very low amount compared to the ones they offered here. Who cares? I didn't even bother to verify. All I know is that they can do it while it lasts and as long as the forums/sites accommodating them are still not locked. But when it starts to be locked, this will be a deterrent for those who still harbour them. I've never been a fan.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Mixers can promote their mixers on cryptotalk.org too but they will not get any result. Compare the traffic of bitcointalk to altcointalks and cryptotalk, I think the signature campaign run on this forum will result in far superior results compared to signature campaigns run on altcoinstalk and cryptotalk.

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league. They may continue their advertisement there but eventually, if they're not liking the results, it is just going to end up with the expected result. Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

You're right, there are many mixers that are trusted and reputable, they are not the ones involved in these evil deeds, people are, mixers only provide for privacy, there are many other platforms they can use to make promotion of what they are offering, the only difference is in them acheiving their main target audience like the one they gets from bitcointalk through traffic generated for them when they are making their promotions.

[coupable]

Mixers can promote their mixers on cryptotalk.org too but they will not get any result. Compare the traffic of bitcointalk to altcointalks and cryptotalk, I think the signature campaign run on this forum will result in far superior results compared to signature campaigns run on altcoinstalk and cryptotalk.

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league. They may continue their advertisement there but eventually, if they're not liking the results, it is just going to end up with the expected result. Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

There are many platforms that mixers can use to conduct promotional campaigns for their services, so I tried to find an explanation as to why they prefer the forums and insist on them, even though most if not all of them cannot be compared to the BitcoinTalk forum, and it can be said that they fail due to the lack of traffic on them.
The only logical explanation that I found is that all the rest of the sites refuse to place advertising banners for Mixers, knowing that as far as I know, there are no laws or legal conditions that prevent them from doing so (at least until now).

You're right, there are many mixers that are trusted and reputable, they are not the ones involved in these evil deeds, people are, mixers only provide for privacy, there are many other platforms they can use to make promotion of what they are offering, the only difference is in them acheiving their main target audience like the one they gets from bitcointalk through traffic generated for them when they are making their promotions.

I think that the amount of traffic on BitcoinTalk is what motivates these mixers to limit themselves to advertising on it. Therefore, the decision of the new forum will have a significant impact on the activity of mixers in general, since all activities related to it have been determined, including even the type of discussions.
Frankly, I do not imagine that the campaigns would succeed on the rest of the forums, and I think it would be better if they would have tried to connect to other important sites, such as blockchain browser platforms or even casinos.
Personally, I do not know if there is any kind of advertising that Mixers do on the Dark Web, and I hope that someone can help us with the information, because I have always not imagined that Dark Web customers are not always active on the regular Mirror forums, and therefore they will not see advertising for Mixers.