Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software

[stfugtfo78]

can BTCPay be run on a virutal machine ubuntu setup ?

[Kruw]

can BTCPay be run on a virutal machine ubuntu setup ?

I'm not an expert on BTCPay Server, I can only answer questions about Wasabi.

[stfugtfo78]

will Wasabi ever be shutdown by US govt ?

[Kruw]

will Wasabi ever be shutdown by US govt ?

Wasabi is open source software, the only way it could be "shut down" is if everyone in the entire world decided not to run it.

[stfugtfo78]

Samourai Whirlpool is open source software and got shutdown by US govt permanently
what make Wasabi not having the same fate ?

[Kruw]

Samourai Whirlpool is open source software and got shutdown by US govt permanently
what make Wasabi not having the same fate ?

Evidently, there's way more demand for WabiSabi coinjoins than Whirlpool coinjoins.

[Wind_FURY]

Samourai Whirlpool is open source software and got shutdown by US govt permanently
what make Wasabi not having the same fate ?

Was Samourai's Github repository taken down or blocked though? What would stop another group of developers from forking the repository, then continue developing/building from where the original developers stopped or were stopped? A state-level actor may have arrested the original developers, but as an open source project - I believe the cat is out of the bag. 

[stfugtfo78]

Samourai Whirlpool is open source software and got shutdown by US govt permanently
what make Wasabi not having the same fate ?

Was Samourai's Github repository taken down or blocked though? What would stop another group of developers from forking the repository, then continue developing/building from where the original developers stopped or were stopped? A state-level actor may have arrested the original developers, but as an open source project - I believe the cat is out of the bag. 

no money/funding

[Wind_FURY]

Samourai Whirlpool is open source software and got shutdown by US govt permanently
what make Wasabi not having the same fate ?

Was Samourai's Github repository taken down or blocked though? What would stop another group of developers from forking the repository, then continue developing/building from where the original developers stopped or were stopped? A state-level actor may have arrested the original developers, but as an open source project - I believe the cat is out of the bag. 

no money/funding

But it's an open source project, it doesn't officially need funding to continue to exist. Because if the repository still exists or forked, then another group of developers with other sources of funding could continue to develop "Samourai". Plus the new developers don't need to call the forked project officially "Samourai". They could call it "Ninja", "a new project based on Samourai".

[stfugtfo78]

no money no incentive - no food no work
plus risk reward should be higher than normal job - privacy = high risk

[Wind_FURY]

no money no incentive - no food no work
plus risk reward should be higher than normal job - privacy = high risk

That's true, but the point is if the repository continues to exist, then the project is not dead. Another team of developers, who may have been incentivized, could take over development. It's simply the essence of open source. If Bitcoin network "died" because, for simplicity's sake the developers quit, and no one continued development for 100 years, then a group of developers found the source code somewhere and continued development 100 years in the future, they can.

If a 25 year old HODLer today existed to be 125 years old, then after 100 years he can sync his old node and all of his coins will still be there in his wallet.

[stfugtfo78]

just tried out wasabi2.0
the fee seems to be pretty high for all the coordinators
and when changed to free fee coordinator https://btcpay.kukks.org/plugins/wabisabi-coordinator/ it take forever to find participants to coinjoin
it just stuck at attempting to find participants and will not coinjoin after one day+ of waiting
definitely not a good sign

[Kruw]

just tried out wasabi2.0
the fee seems to be pretty high for all the coordinators
and when changed to free fee coordinator https://btcpay.kukks.org/plugins/wabisabi-coordinator/ it take forever to find participants to coinjoin
it just stuck at attempting to find participants and will not coinjoin after one day+ of waiting
definitely not a good sign

The coordinators with the most liquidity are all free, there's been over 150 BTC in total coinjoin volume in the past 24 hours. Kukks' coordinator isn't configured for practical use since it has a minimum of 90 inputs and maximum of 100, you can try coinjoining with my coordinator (I've had some DoS attacks recently that have interrupted my service, but I have a backup server running now).

[stfugtfo78]

according to https://wabisator.com/ the only true free coordinators is btcpay.kukks.org 0% + Free remixing
isn't configured for practical use and still shows up on the website seems like a scam

[Kruw]

according to https://wabisator.com/ the only true free coordinators is btcpay.kukks.org 0% + Free remixing
isn't configured for practical use and still shows up on the website seems like a scam

All the coordinators that have 0% fees are completely free. You can see there's multiple coordinators offering this completely free rate.

[stfugtfo78]

wasabi2.0 is a waste of money and fee and doesn't protect users privacy
these chainanlysis algo still know  where user's btc is even after wasabu2.0 coinjoin
its really is a scam to give u an illusion of privacy that can never hide ur money from usgovt and such
a sad state of bitcoin privacy as it is now

[Kruw]

wasabi2.0 is a waste of money and fee and doesn't protect users privacy

Ok, prove it then: Show me which specific outputs were created from each input of this coinjoin transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/2248a68222cb0aa591cc00b51bbf3dd13df09622cd8d0061ae6c0df48943b0a5

[stfugtfo78]

one of the funny thing is wasabi2.0 coinjoin users btc actually got tracked more by usgovt and chain anal company than without using w2.0 coinjoin
u have better chance keep ur privacy doing ur own mixing than using wasabi2.0 LOL  

[Kruw]

one of the funny thing is wasabi2.0 coinjoin users btc actually got tracked more by usgovt ad chain anal company than without using w2.0 coinjoin
u have better chance keep ur privacy doing ur own mixing than using wasabi2.0 LOL 

So you failed to trace this transaction then:

Ok, prove it then: Show me which specific outputs were created from each input of this coinjoin transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/2248a68222cb0aa591cc00b51bbf3dd13df09622cd8d0061ae6c0df48943b0a5

[Wind_FURY]

one of the funny thing is wasabi2.0 coinjoin users btc actually got tracked more by usgovt ad chain anal company than without using w2.0 coinjoin

u have better chance keep ur privacy doing ur own mixing than using wasabi2.0 LOL 

Although you might be trolling, but for the sake of the newbies that could easily be gaslighted I will say - If that's true, then other implementations of CoinJoining will be easy for the US government to trace as well. Plus it would also depend in the amount of liquidity in the coordinator. Obviously higher liquidity = higher anonymity set.