Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software

[Kruw]

Ask for evidence, evidence is proven, then you change the subject.

Where is the evidence? Provide a direct quote.

[PrivacyG]

Ask for evidence, evidence is proven, then you change the subject.

Where is the evidence? Provide a direct quote.

Completely avoiding that evidence has already been provided, sure, I have a direct quote of a question of mine that you always avoid.  I asked multiple times even, but you keep avoiding it.  Mind answering now?  Or will you pull another 'I will not answer further questions' card?

Two of the unanswered yet questions are as follows,

Sure, I'll approach it from the base layer:  As a miner, would you deny service to Sam Bankman Fried if he wanted to coinjoin stolen FTX funds?  Or would you make his stolen coins private instead?

Why are you NOT applying Censorship then?

Why you are justifying zkSNACKs Censorship while deciding to not apply Censorship on your own coordinator?

[Kruw]

Why are you NOT applying Censorship then?

Why you are justifying zkSNACKs Censorship while deciding to not apply Censorship on your own coordinator?

I'm free to serve and customers I want, other services are free to serve the customers they want. What part of this principle do you not understand?

[Kruw]

I'm sorry if you can't get the context of the simple point I'm making. But a coordinator won't miraculously have millions in liquidity simply because it went online.

Mega Cash's coordinator had $1 million in liquidity today and all they did was be online. As far as I know, they have no information posted about their service anywhere other than through Nostr.

[PrivacyG]

I'm free to serve and customers I want, other services are free to serve the customers they want. What part of this principle do you not understand?

Why have you decided to serve Criminals too, unlike Wasabi who chose not to serve SBF and other Criminals of the likes?

[Kruw]

Why have you decided to serve Criminals too, unlike Wasabi who chose not to serve SBF and other Criminals of the likes?

Okay fine, you convinced me: Since you and BlackHatCoiner scammed people with "mixing sites", please provide me your BTC addresses and I'll block them. I don't want to support what you did to the members of this forum. 

[PrivacyG]

Okay fine, you convinced me: Since you and BlackHatCoiner scammed people with "mixing sites", please provide me your BTC addresses and I'll block them. I don't want to support what you did to the members of this forum. 

Are you accusing me of being a Criminal?

[Kruw]

Are you accusing me of being a Criminal?

I think scamming is a crime, sure. I personally witnessed many scammers on this site luring users to "mixing site" scams.

[PrivacyG]

I think scamming is a crime, sure. I personally witnessed many scammers on this site luring users to "mixing site" scams.

If this is what you believe, then why did the Wasabi Signature Campaign accept 'Criminals' for the most part?  I wonder what all these participants think about your accusations too.

gospodin applied for the Jambler Signature Campaign on 15th of March 2022, got accepted 3 months later in the Wasabi Wallet Signature Campaign.

Username: gospodin
Current post count: 9374
BTC SegWit Address: bc1qur6q25y6l3q0engltmma8258sw6jxup6avpg94

Welcome to the campaign.  

Code:

gospodin

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Husna QA joined the Yo!Mix Signature Campaign on 18th of March 2023, got accepted in December in the Wasabi Wallet Signature Campaign.

We are CFNP.

Code:

Husna QA	Legendary	Hero

- These users will be accepted into the campaign (so make sure to update the information in your profiles no later than January 1).

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Husna QA

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examplens was part of the Sinbad Signature Campaign in November 2023 and was accepted in December in the Wasabi Wallet Signature Campaign

as the matter is more than obvious, after this post I will remove the sinbad signature and avatar
Post count 10789 ( including this post)

- These users will be accepted into the campaign (so make sure to update the information in your profiles no later than January 1).

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examplens

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bullrun2024bro joined the Whirlwind Signature Campaign on 28th of March 2023 and got accepted in December in the Wasabi Signature Campaign.

Accepted Full Members:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2744352
Current amount of posts: 4947
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 388
bech32 BTC Address for payouts: bc1qcc7k3tzfq8m25tnkasmn8z6w5nr9hz67tk4k4e

- These users will be accepted into the campaign (so make sure to update the information in your profiles no later than January 1).

Code:

bullrun2024bro

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Mikeywith joined the Yo!Mix Signature Campaign on 18th of March 2023 and got accepted in the Wasabi Signature Campaign in December 2023.

We are CFNP.

Code:

mikeywith	Legendary	Legendary

- These users will be accepted into the campaign (so make sure to update the information in your profiles no later than January 1).

Code:

Mikeywith

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willi9974 joined the MixTum Signature Campaign on 2nd of April 2023 and got accepted in the Wasabi Signature Campaign in December 2023.

Welcome!

Code:

willi9974

- These users will be accepted into the campaign (so make sure to update the information in your profiles no later than January 1).

Code:

willi9974

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hosseinimr93 joined the Yo!Mix Signature Campaign on 18th of March 2023 and got accepted in the Wasabi Signature Campaign in December 2023.

We are CFNP.

Code:

hosseinimr93	Legendary	Legendary

- These users will be accepted into the campaign (so make sure to update the information in your profiles no later than January 1).

Code:

hosseinimr93

And more.  Is the Wasabi Signature Campaign actively supporting Blockchain Analysis AND Criminals now, according to you?

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I think scamming is a crime, sure. I personally witnessed many scammers on this site luring users to "mixing site" scams.

I personally witnessed Wasabi and Kruw misleadingly luring users to 'the One solution to Privacy' A K A Wasabi while supporting Censorship and funding Blockchain Analysis of which both stand against Privacy.

I personally witnessed the Fees I paid to Wasabi being used directly against me by funding Blockchain Analysis, which is exactly who I was running from by using Wasabi.

If anything, you are the Scammers by providing a hope to Privacy only to back stab every loyal Customer later on.

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Are you accusing me of being a Criminal?

I think scamming is a crime, sure. I personally witnessed many scammers on this site luring users to "mixing site" scams.

I am innocent until proven Guilty.  What some of these Services decided to do has nothing to do with me or who I am.  I supported Mixing Services that worked for me and that I Trusted.  I did it the same way I supported Wasabi before they back stabbed, deceived, lied and betrayed us.

You never provided evidence I am a Scammer.  Where is the evidence?

[Kruw]

If this is what you believe, then why did the Wasabi Signature Campaign accept Criminals for the most part?

Lol, you spent all that time searching, copying, and pasting posts and you didn't even realize I had nothing to do with any Wasabi signature campaigns.

I personally witnessed Wasabi and Kruw misleadingly luring users to 'the One solution to Privacy' A K A Wasabi while supporting Censorship and funding Blockchain Analysis of which both stand against Privacy.

You're lying (and you know you're lying, which is why you haven't attached any quotes that prove your claim).

I personally witnessed the Fees I paid to Wasabi being used directly against me by funding Blockchain Analysis, which is exactly who I was running from by using Wasabi.

Congratulations, you were successful in your goal! If you used Wasabi, then your transactions were made impervious to blockchain analysis.

If anything, you are the Scammers by providing a hope to Privacy only to back stab every loyal Customer later on.

You have this backwards: "Mixing sites" are the scams that provide false hopes of privacy and stab every loyal customer later on. Since Wasabi doesn't share custody of your funds or trust anyone with your data, there's no way you can ever be backstabbed or scammed.

You never provided evidence I am a Scammer.  Where is the evidence?

Here's a direct quote of you luring someone away from keeping custody of their coins and keeping their data safe with Wasabi and luring them into depositing their coins into the Chipmixer scam:

Is chipmixer on LN?

No (last time I checked at least, it was not).  It is just a website offering you Mixing services.  If you want further privacy, use it through Tor with no JavaScript.  Links to the website can be found on this thread under LoyceV's posts.

You need a lot of coin management education in order to keep your privacy levels up once you mix your coins.  Particularly since your coins have a very clear, evident trace linked to your real identity.  Once you break this link, creating alternative links will be easy.  One mistake and your identity is linked back to the mixed coins.  Does anyone here have some sort of documentation on that?  Wasabi used to have a great privacy educational doc, but I can not recommend them anymore due to obvious reasons.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5421032.msg61306379#msg61306379

[icopress]

If this is what you believe, then why did the Wasabi Signature Campaign accept Criminals for the most part?  I wonder what all these participants think about your accusations too.

For a second I thought you were questioning my management skills.

[JollyGood]

As it currently stands, who will use Wasabi Wallet and for what purpose now they are no longer using coinjoins? If it were to be used specifically and solely for the most obvious reason (as a wallet to hold Bitcoin), there are many other alternatives out there. If someone intends to use it for any other reason, I would like to know and understand what it is.

Regardless of that, if Kruw is a paid member of the Wasabi Wallet team or zkSNACKs then they need to re-evaluate that relationship because he is a liability that is tarnishing their name and brand to those that might consider downloading it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I think scamming is a crime, sure. I personally witnessed many scammers on this site luring users to "mixing site" scams.

[1] Those who are advertising no KYC services, are they scammers?
[2] How about those who advertise as a privacy oriented service but then they share data with agencies, are they scammers too?

[Kruw]

As it currently stands, who will use Wasabi Wallet and for what purpose now they are no longer using coinjoins?

Wasabi Wallet still is using coinjoins, I just coordinated a 164 input coinjoin worth 19.4 BTC: https://mempool.space/tx/b341616ce7b99347de8bac5fe0ba1a934c466dd7427c86196d4bf17f906590ea

[1] Those who are advertising no KYC services, are they scammers?

Of course not.

[2] How about those who advertise as a privacy oriented service but then they share data with agencies, are they scammers too?

Yes they are scammers, this data collection is exactly that "mixing sites" do. You gain no privacy when you use a "mixing site", the operator is completely aware of the transaction history linked to every user.

[JollyGood]

Which api are you using now for this 19.4 BTC coinjoin?

The 1st June 2024 message on their website relates to default coinjoins but third party coinjoins can be added by modifying: https://api.wasabiwallet.io/ therefore how is WasabiWallet making money from this wallet if they are no longer the coinjoin co-ordinator?

As it currently stands, who will use Wasabi Wallet and for what purpose now they are no longer using coinjoins?

Wasabi Wallet still is using coinjoins, I just coordinated a 164 input coinjoin worth 19.4 BTC: https://mempool.space/tx/b341616ce7b99347de8bac5fe0ba1a934c466dd7427c86196d4bf17f906590ea

[Kruw]

Which api are you using now for this 19.4 BTC coinjoin?

This:

Code:

https://btcpay.kruw.io/plugins/wabisabi-coordinator/

The 1st June 2024 message on their website relates to default coinjoins but third party coinjoins can be added by modifying: https://api.wasabiwallet.io/ therefore how is WasabiWallet making money from this wallet if they are no longer the coinjoin co-ordinator?

There is an integration in the wallet with ShopInBit that allows Wasabi users to "Buy Anything" with Bitcoin. A small referral fee is earned from those purchases.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

[2] How about those who advertise as a privacy oriented service but then they share data with agencies, are they scammers too?

Yes they are scammers, this data collection is exactly that "mixing sites" do. You gain no privacy when you use a "mixing site", the operator is completely aware of the transaction history linked to every user.

By your logic Wasabi is a scam [Wasabi shared data with agencies] and you are a scammer. How ironic.

[Kruw]

By your logic Wasabi is a scam [Wasabi shared data with agencies] and you are a scammer. How ironic.

You're lying, Wasabi does not share absolutely any data with absolutely anyone, your data never leaves your device. Anyone can verify this themselves since all of the code is open source: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi

[BlackHatCoiner]

Everyone but he and his buddies is a scammer. People who promoted mixing sites in their signatures, icopress for managing mixing sites' campaigns, search engines for displaying mixing sites in their search results. Mixing sites themselves, of course! Samourai and every other privacy solution for not following their protocol.

I'd recommend you all to stop feeding the troll. We've had enough of this drama already.

[Kruw]

I'd recommend you all to stop feeding the troll. We've had enough of this drama already.

It's not trolling, it's the truth. You are a scammer and I have your confession to prove it:

Is there a chance some really big shit is going on in their lives, and they are incapable of going online? For like... A month? I really can't believe this is an exit scam. The service seemed legitimate.

I'm really pissed off, and not because I lost money; fortunately, I had grasped that "don't leave coins to third parties" cliché. I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.