Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software

[alani123]

What is the assessment here? Are Wassabi developers comfortable continuing to operate their company and develop their projects as they currently do given the developments regarding Samurai wallet? Hopefully it through reduced to no US ties they will have no problems.

If they stop WabiSabi (name of their CoinJoin protocol) development or their mainnet WabiSabi coordinator now, people will assume the controversial blacklist[1] isn't effective to ensure survival of zkSNACKS and what they develop. So i expect they'll continue do what they currently do.

[1] https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/

I'll recognize that Samourai and Wassabi aren't the same and have many differences, but also people considered them competitors.
Having your competing product's founders arrested and their services shutdown sounds pretty alarming.

Are Wassabi devs still feel safe and confident? Would be nice to have this reassurance from them in a statement perhaps.
Although they might chose to follow the silent route (whatever you say may be used against you), which is also respectable.

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[Pmalek]

The Land of the Free is no more!

zkSNACKs and Wasabi Wallet has been blocked for US citizens. They can no longer download the software or interact with its APIs and other services. US IP addresses have been blocked.
Not that I am one bit sorry for Wasabi or zkSNACKs. They deserve the storm if it ends up coming their way. It's sad for anyone in the US who still relied on Wasabi (they shouldn't have) to improve their privacy.

Hopefully America will be free one day.

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-now-blocking-u-s-residents-and-citizens/

[Kruw]

Not that I am one bit sorry for Wasabi or zkSNACKs. They deserve the storm if it ends up coming their way.

What a disgusting statement. It's incredible how much the members of this forum hate the people who create open source privacy tools.

[Pmalek]

What a disgusting statement. It's incredible how much the members of this forum hate the people who create open source privacy tools.

Nope, hence the sadness that the US has gone this bad. What members like myself hate are sponsors and financiers of blockchain analysis companies portraying themselves as privacy advocates. I also hate scum who wish death and illness on forum members and people much better than themselves. Do you recognize yourself in those words?

[BlackHatCoiner]

Are Wassabi devs still feel safe and confident? Would be nice to have this reassurance from them in a statement perhaps.

You've probably not followed the events of Wasabi in 2022. Here are a few topics to read:

- The default Wasabi Wallet coordinator will start censoring "illegal" UTXOs.
- Wasabi blacklisting update - open letter / 24 questions discussion thread.
- Re: Petition to remove Wasabi from recommendations of bitcoin.org.

To me, it is crystal clear that Wasabi is not to be trusted. Maybe some coinjoins will work, but there is a vast amount of accusations, lies, inappropriate and diplomatic responses from the developers, and on top of that, they are funding blockchain surveillance.

zkSNACKs and Wasabi Wallet has been blocked for US citizens.

How can they block access to US citizens if connection to the coordinator is established via hidden service?

What a disgusting statement.

Are you capable of experiencing emotions? That's quite groundbreaking news.

[Kruw]

To me, it is crystal clear that Wasabi is not to be trusted.

That's the whole point: You never have to trust Wasabi because it's TRUSTLESS SOFTWARE.

You do not have to trust anyone with your data.

You do not have to trust anyone with your funds.

It's designed to provide complete privacy, and it's completely open source for you to verify this for yourself: https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi

[BlackHatCoiner]

Bullshit arguments are bullshit.

You always have to trust the intentions and coding skills of the developers. Being open-source just minimizing the trust. I do consider a host variety of software to be trustless, but if I notice suspicious activity, then I'm packing my things and leaving. After seeing "privacy advocates" doxxing their competitors, funding what they're supposedly fighting against, people on the Internet accusing they've been de-anonymized by the said software, Wasabi devs outright lying, and seeing myself coinjoins with address reuse, then I don't have to study your codebase to make up my mind.

[Kruw]

Bullshit arguments are bullshit.

You sound like retard nocoiners when they say "Nah man, I just don't trust Bitcoin, someone will just take your coins."

You explain to them that you don't have to trust Bitcoin, it's trustless software due to cryptography, which is just math.

Then, the retard nocoiner says "Nah man, I don't trust the developers."

You explain to them that it's open source so you don't have to trust the developers, you can validate absolutely everything they do and modify it yourself.

Then, the retard nocoiner says "Nah man, I'd rather invest in Dogecoin because it can handle more transactions than Bitcoin."

You explain to them that Dogecoin has the same limitations as Bitcoin and that design tradeoffs taken in one area lead to consequences in another area, and that Dogecoin is completely obsolete compared to updated versions of Bitcoin.

Then, the retard nocoiner says "Nah man, the government issued a warning saying Bitcoins are dangerous, I don't have to look at the evidence to make up my mind."

You explain to them that the government is in competition with Bitcoin, and they are obviously incentivized attack it, then provide proof of them lying.

Then, the retard nocoiner says "Bullshit arguments are bullshit."

[Pmalek]

It's designed to provide complete privacy...

It's so private and effective that a nation of over 300 million people are now forbidden to use it. You will probably introduce similar layers of privacy in the EU soon. Then, they can also benefit from the ultimate privacy solution by not using it.

BlackHatCoiner asked a good question: With block filters and TOR, how could your friends from the government and blockchain analysis know if I am accessing the service from the US or not?

[Kruw]

BlackHatCoiner asked a good question: With block filters and TOR, how could your friends from the government and blockchain analysis know if I am accessing the service from the US or not?

Read the privacy policy:

=========================================
II. PRIVACY POLICY
=========================================

    This policy describes the ways zkSNACKs collects, stores, uses and protects personal information. The purpose of this policy is to ensure that zkSNACKs complies with applicable European Union (EU) and other statutory data protection laws and regulations, and ensures that users are provided privacy protection.
    Data protection laws are generally relevant in case any processing of personal data is concerned. The terms used within the scope of this data protection declaration are defined in and by the General Data Protection Regulation of the European Union. As such, the wide definition of "processing" of personal data means any operation or set of operations performed on personal data.

Personally Identifiable Information
===================================

    “Personally identifiable information” (“personal information”) is any information that can be directly associated with a specific person and can be used to identify that person. A prime example of identifiable information is a person’s name.

Handling Information
====================

   Since we are working on privacy, and our mission is to regain personal privacy, our Services are designed to be used without indication of any personal data. For this reason we do not have any kind of data collecting solutions built into our products. There may only be one personal data processing in our Service, for customer support in case of technical problems: visitors may, indicate their email addresses voluntarily to get notifications in case of any potential technical problems or other inquiries. These e-mail addresses are solely used to answer users’ questions and are erased after 100 days. In this case, the processing of the data is based on a freely given consent to Article 6 (1) (a) of the GDPR and is aimed at the effective handling of the complaint.
    We use GitHub as the main platform for users’ technical questions and issues, and we do not retain any data that can be subsequently identified / associated with the user.
   We expressly declare that we do not manage or store any other personally identifiable information.
    By visiting the Website and using our Services, You agree with this policy, in accordance with Section 1.2 of the Terms and Conditions

All User Information is Confidential
====================================

   Because we cannot link Your wallet and Your personal information (such as Your name and IP address) provided under the Service, Your personal information is safe and cannot be accessed by our staff or third parties.
    zkSNACKs will protect processed data in the customer Service process adequately against unauthorized access (of third parties) in accordance with the provisions of the legal framework of Republic of Seychelles. We will only process data which are essential to provide our Services. Data will not be used or stored by other means than set out in this document and are made accessible only to a restricted and necessary number of persons. We do not transfer any personal data to third parties.
    All employees of zkSNACKs have been informed about applicable data protection provisions as well as data security measures and are bound to our privacy practices. All staff are bound by confidentiality agreements.

Use of Cookies
==============

    A cookie is a small piece of data that a website asks Your browser to store on Your computer or mobile device. The cookie allows the website to “remember” Your actions or preferences over time.
   We expressly declare that we do not use cookies.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Then, the retard nocoiner says "Nah man, I don't trust the developers."

You explain to them that it's open source so you don't have to trust the developers, you can validate absolutely everything they do and modify it yourself.

No. I'd explain to them that it is trustless in the sense that thousands of people smarter than both of us have reviewed the code, none of which has reached to a conclusion that Bitcoin does not do what it says it does. If lots of people suddenly reported losing coins from their Bitcoin wallet, I'd absolutely not recommend that piece of software regardless if its source code was free to study or not.

I would absolutely not invite them to study an entire repository, line-by-line, to validate such a thing. Just as I wouldn't invite anyone to study the design of a car and its manufacturer's infrastructure, if their cars were caught to suddenly explode. I would simply stick to not recommending cars that are said to explode.

[Kruw]

No. I'd explain to them that it is trustless in the sense that thousands of people smarter than both of us have reviewed the code, none of which has reached to a conclusion that Bitcoin does not do what it says it does. If lots of people suddenly reported losing coins from their Bitcoin wallet, I'd absolutely not recommend that piece of software regardless if its source code was free to study or not.

I would absolutely not invite them to study an entire repository, line-by-line, to validate such a thing. Just as I wouldn't invite anyone to study the design of a car and its manufacturer's infrastructure, if their cars were caught to suddenly explode. I would simply stuck to not recommending cars that are said to explode.

If you stick to recommending cars that don't explode, then why did you recommend Chipmixer? Why did you recommend Whirlwind? Why did you recommend Whirlpool?

I'll agree with Lucius here. I presume ChipMixer is very cautious when it comes to protecting their own privacy too. They probably write code, build the site, talk to us in this forum - all via anonymity-focused Internet solutions such as Tor or i2p. If I was running such mixer, I'd be sure I'd sooner or later have authorities stick their nose into my business.

Is there a chance some really big shit is going on in their lives, and they are incapable of going online? For like... A month? I really can't believe this is an exit scam. The service seemed legitimate.

I'm really pissed off, and not because I lost money; fortunately, I had grasped that "don't leave coins to third parties" cliché. I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.

You lured people into EVERY SINGLE ONE of these rugpulls, yet, you spent years deliberately lying about Wasabi, which is TRUSTLESS SOFTWARE.

While you were attacking trustless open source software, you promoted Mixtum who said they explicitly perform blockchain analysis on their users and confiscate their users coins "at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever."

3. Quality scoring of incoming transactions
We run a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm.

2.1. Privacy Policy

Please refer to our Privacy Policy to get an understanding of our confidentiality obligations. You consent to the collection and use of information as described in the Privacy Policy.

2.2 Suspension or termination of services

[banned mixer] reserves the right to suspend or terminate access to services at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever.

For example, services may be suspended or terminated due to the following reasons:

    an actual or suspected violation of these Terms and Conditions;
    use of the service in such a manner that is conducive to the legal liability of [banned mixer] or Service malfunction;
    planned or unplanned maintenance, etc.

2.3 Unacceptable use

You agree that you personally will not commit, encourage or support the committal of:

    use of any unauthorized means to access the [banned mixer] service or use of any automated process or service (for example, spider, crawler or periodic caching of information stored or generated by [banned mixer]) except for the functions described in our API, as well as distribution of instructions, software or tools with this aim in view;
    modification, change, distortion or any other interference in work of the [banned mixer] service;
    disturbing or interference in operation of servers or networks used by [banned mixer] to deliver the Services;
    disabling, overload or degradation of [banned mixer] performance (or any other network connected to the service);
    use of the [banned mixer] service or website for any other purposes other than those specifically provided by these Terms and Privacy Policy;
    any illegal or fraudulent activity, as well as use of this Service in order to legalize illegal income, financing of terrorism, participation in schemes of phishing, forgery or other such falsification or manipulation;
    unauthorized spamming, pyramid schemes or any other activity duplicating unwanted messages should they be commercially oriented or of other nature.

2.4 Service updates

At any time and at its absolute discretion [banned mixer] can carry out unscheduled works related to the service modification, update and enhancement. We are liable to add or remove functions and cease activities of the service and website.
2.5 License and restrictions

[banned mixer] provides you with a personal nontransferable nonexclusive license to use the Service as it is stipulated for you by [banned mixer]. This license is provided under conditions and restricted to the provisions, stipulations and constraints stated in these Terms. Therewith, such license is intended for personal, noncommercial use. You may not copy, modify, create a derivative work of, decompile or otherwise attempt to extract the source code of the service or any part thereof, exclusive of data permitted by law, or expressly allowed by the [banned mixer] platform (use of templates, API, etc.). You may not reassign (or grant a sublicense of) your rights to use the service, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights in accordance with these Terms. These Rules do not provide you with any license or permission to copy, distribute, change or otherwise use any applications programming interface despite any provisions to the contrary. No property rights or ownership rights related to the Service are not granted to you according to these Terms. [banned mixer] reserves all rights that have not been expressly granted.

You are a traitor to Bitcoin's mission of self custody. You are an enemy of privacy. And most of all, you are a SCAMMER. Fuck off of this thread and start focusing on paying back the people who had their money stolen by the services you partnered with.

[DaveF]

The Land of the Free is no more!

zkSNACKs and Wasabi Wallet has been blocked for US citizens. They can no longer download the software or interact with its APIs and other services. US IP addresses have been blocked.
Not that I am one bit sorry for Wasabi or zkSNACKs. They deserve the storm if it ends up coming their way. It's sad for anyone in the US who still relied on Wasabi (they shouldn't have) to improve their privacy.

Hopefully America will be free one day.

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-now-blocking-u-s-residents-and-citizens/

Since they host their builds on Github you can still download them with no issues.

If you are US based and you run it and it works then they are as they say using TOR and it should not matter.

If at any time the wallet pops up anything telling you that you are US based and can't use the service then somewhere along the line they are sending your IP to the their servers so at that point you know they are getting your real IP. Which as we know they do not need.

-Dave

[Pmalek]

Read the privacy policy

It must be true since it's written on the Internet.

You are a traitor to Bitcoin's mission of self custody. You are an enemy of privacy. And most of all, you are a SCAMMER.

You are a traitor of Bitcoin and enemy of privacy you blockchain-funding, death-wishing filthy little weasel. Has the rise in mining fees been difficult for the company's blockchain analysis funding? It's not as cheap as it once was.

Since they host their builds on Github you can still download them with no issues.

If you are US based and you run it and it works then they are as they say using TOR and it should not matter.

If at any time the wallet pops up anything telling you that you are US based and can't use the service then somewhere along the line they are sending your IP to the their servers so at that point you know they are getting your real IP. Which as we know they do not need.

-Dave

The blog post says that US citizens are blocked from several actions. Among those are both downloading and using the Wasabi wallet and any other services related to it. If they are lying, which wouldn't be the first time, why trust a liar with anything else they say or write? Like their Privacy Policy, for example.

[Kruw]

It must be true since it's written on the Internet.

No, it's true since open source software allows you to verify this for yourself  

[kayirigi]

lmao. So funding BC analysis achieved nothing and Wasabi still scared of feds? And now Wasabi screw normal people again to protect themselves.

Such cowards.

And now everyone can see Kruwed's lies - Samourai obviously not a honeypot. At least Tornado and Samourai went down fighting. Wasabi bend over and sell out users AGAIN. Well not really, since nobody with any brain cells is using Wasabi anyway.

[NotATether]

It must be true since it's written on the Internet.

No, it's true since open source software allows you to verify this for yourself  

Open Source allows me to verify that Wasabi have become privacy devils who will basically claim to provide fast, private CoinJoin but only after they collect your IP address or ID (the logical continuation of this as a US person can simply use a VPN) to make sure you're not from a restricted country.

Who is the hypocrite now, Kruw?

Literally days after you were yapping about redemption for Samourai collecting xpubs, now your wallet is collecting Personal Identifying Information itself. Will it be enough to save it? Probably not.

[Kruw]

Literally days after you were yapping about redemption for Samourai collecting xpubs, now your wallet is collecting Personal Identifying Information itself. Will it be enough to save it? Probably not.

Unlike Samourai which records all of their users' financial activity by default, Wasabi does not collect any personally identifying information whatsoever:

=========================================
II. PRIVACY POLICY
=========================================

    This policy describes the ways zkSNACKs collects, stores, uses and protects personal information. The purpose of this policy is to ensure that zkSNACKs complies with applicable European Union (EU) and other statutory data protection laws and regulations, and ensures that users are provided privacy protection.
    Data protection laws are generally relevant in case any processing of personal data is concerned. The terms used within the scope of this data protection declaration are defined in and by the General Data Protection Regulation of the European Union. As such, the wide definition of "processing" of personal data means any operation or set of operations performed on personal data.

Personally Identifiable Information
===================================

    “Personally identifiable information” (“personal information”) is any information that can be directly associated with a specific person and can be used to identify that person. A prime example of identifiable information is a person’s name.

Handling Information
====================

   Since we are working on privacy, and our mission is to regain personal privacy, our Services are designed to be used without indication of any personal data. For this reason we do not have any kind of data collecting solutions built into our products. There may only be one personal data processing in our Service, for customer support in case of technical problems: visitors may, indicate their email addresses voluntarily to get notifications in case of any potential technical problems or other inquiries. These e-mail addresses are solely used to answer users’ questions and are erased after 100 days. In this case, the processing of the data is based on a freely given consent to Article 6 (1) (a) of the GDPR and is aimed at the effective handling of the complaint.
    We use GitHub as the main platform for users’ technical questions and issues, and we do not retain any data that can be subsequently identified / associated with the user.
   We expressly declare that we do not manage or store any other personally identifiable information.
    By visiting the Website and using our Services, You agree with this policy, in accordance with Section 1.2 of the Terms and Conditions

All User Information is Confidential
====================================

   Because we cannot link Your wallet and Your personal information (such as Your name and IP address) provided under the Service, Your personal information is safe and cannot be accessed by our staff or third parties.
    zkSNACKs will protect processed data in the customer Service process adequately against unauthorized access (of third parties) in accordance with the provisions of the legal framework of Republic of Seychelles. We will only process data which are essential to provide our Services. Data will not be used or stored by other means than set out in this document and are made accessible only to a restricted and necessary number of persons. We do not transfer any personal data to third parties.
    All employees of zkSNACKs have been informed about applicable data protection provisions as well as data security measures and are bound to our privacy practices. All staff are bound by confidentiality agreements.

Use of Cookies
==============

    A cookie is a small piece of data that a website asks Your browser to store on Your computer or mobile device. The cookie allows the website to “remember” Your actions or preferences over time.
   We expressly declare that we do not use cookies.

[Dont Trust Verify]

You lured people into EVERY SINGLE ONE of these rugpulls, yet, you spent years deliberately lying about Wasabi, which is TRUSTLESS SOFTWARE.

While you were attacking trustless open source software, you promoted Mixtum who said they explicitly perform blockchain analysis on their users and confiscate their users coins "at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever."

Custodial mixing shills contradict themselves by promoting and profiting off of the very thing they claim to be against. Such incredibly dishonest and disgusting behavior. These pathological scammers should donate their signature earnings to Samourai’s defense fund if they are capable of feeling contrition. Ideally they would pay restitutions to those who lost funds with mixers, but those losses could be in the millions and it will be impossible to ever fully undo the damage they caused by endorsing those thieves.

Samourai obviously not a honeypot.

Obviously they were if they were collecting users xpubs making them easily accessible to law enforcement.

They deserve the storm if it ends up coming their way.

This is why crypto and privacy keep getting fucked more and more, people openly cheering for government overreach as long as it’s against those they hate. It’s not just a Wasabi vs. Samourai thing, it's Bitcoin vs shitcoins too. Everyone’s lives will get worse but at least Wasabi devs, lightning service providers, and Uniswap’s CEO will all be locked away and it might pump my bags of whatever I’m holding.

[satscraper]

crypto and privacy keep getting fucked more and more, people openly cheering for government overreach as long as it’s against those they hate.

In this respect I am all the time in for a surprise why they remains closed for PayNym payments. Sparrow wallet has such PayNym option which is nice for preserving transaction privacy but when I tell about this to my contractual counterparties they are rolling  eyes upwards and don't begin to understand me.