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December 04, 2023, 10:17:35 AM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?
The AML act is not a child's play, it's either a company/business obeys it or faces the full wrath of the law. For clarity, let me establish a point that businesses vary, and so do their exposure, operations/services, they are not just the same thing. This includes their presence/visibility and accessibility/anonymity. This is why you can't compare m!xers with casinos, their business models are not just the same thing.

M!xers' owners are often unknown, they can do and undo and get to go away with it. This is why the government can't make them accountable for their misdeed, but always shut down their means of propagating their service, which is their website and other links they know. This same thing can happen to any casinos that are not registered as well, or the owners can't be traced to face the consequences of their crimes. But if they can be located, what happened to Binance is what will happen to them as the business will continue to run but a fine and jail term could be pronounced against them.

Of course, it's subject to the gravity of their offence.

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December 04, 2023, 10:20:53 AM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?

Gambling sites are for sure not a safe place to be committing money laundering. That isn’t their business and they’re heavily regulated against this sort of thing. With mixers there is hope they will fight requests from law enforcement. With casinos they will turn over every piece of information they have on you to guard their business.

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December 04, 2023, 10:47:46 AM
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maybe it could happen but not at popular casinos and maybe if it happened it would only happen to certain individuals who would be confiscated.
I mean if one day there is a new casino that allows laundering large amounts of money maybe the site will be confiscated but it will not affect other casino sites because of course we all here know that the popular casinos here have a valid license and usually if the casino is licensed it will give taxes to country and this will be a little safe because it makes a good contribution and on the one hand, licensed and popular casinos will definitely maintain their reputation so that if a gambler deposits a large amount, the casino will ask for KYC from the first level to the last KYC level to be able to identify source of the gambler funds.
but the problem now is that privacy will be rendered nonexistent due to KYC.

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December 04, 2023, 10:58:22 AM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?

If that's the case I guess they might experience what mixers get and for sure they will be eliminated on the scene. But I guess no criminals will use a casino that which strictly implementing a AML policy since this could give a easy trace for them. So with that we can conclude that Government compliant casino is for sure a not option for frauds to go but rather they will stick on the mixers who's still operating outside of this forum and market their site to other platform. I don't think this mixers will go away but rather they find another way to market their services since this is huge business and provably they would not afraid on government crackdown operation towards this kind of services.

If a casino will not do any KYC or License then openly do this illegal businesses then for sure they will be seized by government. But those remain legitimate and comply each requirements ask by government will provably stay.

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December 04, 2023, 11:00:13 AM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?
This is not something to even talk about, if mixers are regulated we probably won't be having this discussion right now, but mixers are not, now compare it to casinos that are regulated, they are far different from each other, one is permitted by the law and the other is trying to run anonymously which attracts criminals to the idea of moving money without no one knowing.

I will like to tell you that no casino that's regulated can be use for money laundering, because the rules of the regulators are going to pin hard on them forever, this is why they can't say no to KYC verification from all their customers, it's not them asking for this but the regulators, this is why I don't blame any online casinos asking their customers for KYC regulation.

The fact is if any casino is going to do illegal activities on their platform they won't be regulated in the first place, like I've used to say that online casinos that are not regulated or have no-kyc can easily turn to scam, because it means they aren't regulated, they are running their platform illegally.

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December 04, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?

Gambling sites are for sure not a safe place to be committing money laundering. That isn’t their business and they’re heavily regulated against this sort of thing. With mixers there is hope they will fight requests from law enforcement. With casinos they will turn over every piece of information they have on you to guard their business.
sure but then what do we to hide After all, in reality, no one can hide from the law because the world itself is not designed any exist in one man, so much so it is that when or if you use mixer the law if they want to cash up with you, there will get through to you in whatever form you want them to, this is why we may never have 100% privacy because imagine when a mixer gets seized, all users data will be collected and put true forensic analysis.

This is why we must know the distinction between gambling and Bitcoin mixer which are all in different classes and operations.
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December 04, 2023, 11:49:28 AM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?

I don't think such fate awaits crypto casinos. Online casinos have been around even before crypto emerged and they have always been considered high-risk businesses. Yet nobody tried to ban casinos completely. This is possibly because unlike gambling, the sole purpose of mixers is to "launder" Bitcoin.
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December 04, 2023, 11:53:48 AM
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If a crypto casino violates the regulations set by the government, the crypto casino will clearly receive sanctions from the government, and the crypto casino can be asked to close its business. That is why, for now, crypto casinos must be more careful and vigilant regarding suspicions of money laundering that may have been used in crypto casinos. And for well-known casinos, it looks like they will tighten their rules even more to comply with government regulations. Crypto casinos involved in money laundering will definitely be subject to sanctions by the government because they have carried out illegal activities in running their business.
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December 04, 2023, 11:57:29 AM
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I will like to tell you that no casino that's regulated can be use for money laundering, because the rules of the regulators are going to pin hard on them forever, this is why they can't say no to KYC verification from all their customers, it's not them asking for this but the regulators, this is why I don't blame any online casinos asking their customers for KYC regulation.
Yes, the KYC request is none other than one of them to prevent money laundering, which if it happens and is known by legal authorities, the casino will also be one of the suspects because it has allowed money laundering to occur.
From here, the casino has big chance of getting into trouble and taking justice in this case, so that even worse, the casino will be subject to sanctions including prohibitions or confiscation carried out by the government or legal authority handling the case.
So far, we as gamblers must also respect and accept the casino decision in requesting KYC because it is form of support in suppressing money laundering activities.

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The fact is if any casino is going to do illegal activities on their platform they won't be regulated in the first place, like I've used to say that online casinos that are not regulated or have no-kyc can easily turn to scam, because it means they aren't regulated, they are running their platform illegally.
But no one knows whether the casino is doing illegal actions or not because of course they hide everything from anyone.
Of course things like that happen because there is no regulation from the start and indeed they have the potential to be casino with fraud or with illegal activities.
Moreover, as time goes by, every casino will ask for or have KYC requirements for all their customers.

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December 04, 2023, 12:05:33 PM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?
maybe the Decentralized platform will need to deal with it because the centralized casino in
which majority in our site now is going then those are free and safe from any issues from the government not
unless they will act to consent those activities then it is their faith to decide.but the problem with Decentralized
casino is what those Money launderer will take advantage yet , some of those site will have advantage as well
because in the end they will only ask KYC for those unusual activities from account and boom , they can hold
their money lol.

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December 04, 2023, 12:12:36 PM
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I am curious how people laundry their money from online casinos. Making a deposit, and then make a withdrawal of clean money? I think most of casinos, at first will have an alarm triggered when they receive funds from shady addresses, and second they will ask to wager deposited amount. I would feel really bad if I would deposit a hundred thousand and lose it due to getting 1.00 when I have bet on a "safe bet" like 1.01. Few such losses with scare any searching for money laundry guy. Casinos could always ask for KYC and freeze funds for investigation. And even if criminals are ok with loosing money and laundering, isnt mixers fee are lower than taxes casinos pay?

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December 04, 2023, 12:19:06 PM
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maybe it could happen but not at popular casinos and maybe if it happened it would only happen to certain individuals who would be confiscated.
I mean if one day there is a new casino that allows laundering large amounts of money maybe the site will be confiscated but it will not affect other casino sites because of course we all here know that the popular casinos here have a valid license and usually if the casino is licensed it will give taxes to country and this will be a little safe because it makes a good contribution and on the one hand, licensed and popular casinos will definitely maintain their reputation so that if a gambler deposits a large amount, the casino will ask for KYC from the first level to the last KYC level to be able to identify source of the gambler funds.
but the problem now is that privacy will be rendered nonexistent due to KYC.
I think this will be a big problem for the company that are not licensed. Moreover, KYC can play a special role to avoid such problems. Gamblers who will use a particular site to spread their money unethically will have such problems if the authorities of those sites do not cooperate with the government in this matter. Here all those users must be identified. All general gamblers can have problems due to several factors. Of course, casino authorities should exercise due caution in this usage. Sites that have been operating within the rules for a long time will have no problem if no illegal activity is found. If KYC is done properly I think money laundering can be avoided. Moreover, even if quick action is taken against the accounts in which such illegal activities are seen, it will not be difficult to identify the criminal.

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December 04, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?
I feel casinos do have policies against money launders and what it implies is that if it is made known to the casino that a sure is using their platform for such activities, they reserve the right to turn such person in to the authorities of their region of operation and that's why they require KYC at some point.

These casinos knowing that their reputation may be at stake regarding money laundering deals they will definitely keep to their policies and keep culprits out of their platforms to avoid the wrath of the authorities but when it turns out the casino has no policies against such then they obviously may stand a chance to be targets of the authorities, and ofcos the law will always take it's cause if these casinos are at any point found guilty to have supported laundry using their platforms.

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December 04, 2023, 12:43:42 PM
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The government may tighten its regulations on crypto casinos and monitor them more closely so they can see if crypto casinos are involved or not involved in money laundering cases. Maybethis may trigger crypto casinos to tighten their regulations on their users, and we should be prepared if that happens. Crypto casinos may immediately implement KYC procedures at the start of registration due to new regulations imposed by the government on crypto casinos. But that's just speculation and estimation and we should wait for further information from the casino. This will also prevent scam casinos from developing because they cannot comply with government regulations. But we'll see how things develop in the near future.
This can be a guarantee for online casinos if they require KYC verification before getting official approval. Online casinos or gambling sites can cheat so if new casinos have KYC verification then members can gamble there safely. If the casino sites cheat then the victims of that fraud are the users but in this case we have to take utmost care and play gambling in online casinos. Online casinos are full of gambling, so you should choose the sites that are relatively low risk and the sites that are somewhat trustworthy in conducting your gambling activities.

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December 04, 2023, 12:46:12 PM
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I am curious how people laundry their money from online casinos. Making a deposit, and then make a withdrawal of clean money?
That's the process, at least those money are already mix in the casino and whatever the gambler will receive are the funds coming from a casino. So it's likely clean already if the person's name is still not known to the authorities.

I think most of casinos, at first will have an alarm triggered when they receive funds from shady addresses,
How would they determine a shady address? If it's coming from a mixer, that doesn't automatically mean that the user are into money laundering.
It will only become shady once there's a memorandum from their regulators to freeze transactions of a certain person who are in the list for such illegal activities.

and second they will ask to wager deposited amount. I would feel really bad if I would deposit a hundred thousand and lose it due to getting 1.00 when I have bet on a "safe bet" like 1.01. Few such losses with scare any searching for money laundry guy. Casinos could always ask for KYC and freeze funds for investigation. And even if criminals are ok with loosing money and laundering, isnt mixers fee are lower than taxes casinos pay?

I think sports betting game is a safer way to launder money.

Just an example, you bet on a certain game to a team with 1.90 odds, and you also deposited on the other site betting on the opposite team with 1.90 odds. Regardless of the outcome, launderers will still be able to cash out 90% of the bet, which give casino 10% cut without knowing the gambler is already into money laundering.

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December 04, 2023, 01:02:58 PM
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You are free to do any illegal activities if you are the owner of the casinos and it's not registered, but I doubt it will last long, because any unregulated casino can't be trusted, only foolish users who don't know how important a regulation is for a new online casino will be the customers of these unregistered casinos.

You can't hide for long if your casino is regulated and you are still using it for illegal funding, there is always a foot print left behind when you do something illegal online, believe me, even criminals that use Tor and strong tools to hide their human trafficking crimes online still got caught.

Crime never pays and strongly advice people to abstain from such crimes, one thing will always lead to another that will expose you, you can run it for years but one thing will surely lead to another and you will be exposed, stay away from crime.

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December 04, 2023, 01:19:59 PM
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If you play at a regulated casino, where you are required by law to submit your KYC details then, you do not have to be bothered about money laundering because there is no way that such criminal activity can happen there without going on noticed. We can say that these casinos are centralized because all of your dealing and transactions are being monitored for any suspicious activities. Also, your account is at the risk of being closed, or banned once that system detects suspicious activities. From this article, the type of crypto casino site where money laundering occurs have the following characteristics
  • Crypto casinos that are unlicensed, unregulated, or Tor-based gambling
  • Crypto casinos that do not require any KYC, and make an open commitment to protecting
    anonymity of users
  • Crypto casino sites that do not publish information about their ownership or
    their jurisdiction of registration
  • Crypto casino sites that do not impose limits on volumes and values of
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December 04, 2023, 02:38:52 PM
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I agree with you on a number of things, but also you forget to mentioned that casinos already have a system in olace to make miney laundering a hard thing to achieve in gambling and that way, any attempts will only get the criminal tendency of losing the money due to wagering conditions, because most of the centralized casinos already have a condition on their deposits and witdrwals which make it impossible for money luanderers to use casino as a safe heaven for their criminal activities.
For legal casinos, I'm pretty sure that they implement a system that makes it difficult for some people to launder money. But nowadays, as gambling activities continue to increase and become a popular activity, this has led to the emergence of new casinos, both legal and illegal, so that the activities of each casino become less controlled. And this opportunity is used by intermediaries to trick the institutions that oversee every gambling activity.
But even so, legal casinos are very careful in carrying out money laundering actions because this will threaten the sustainability of the casino place he owns.

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Also in my country, gambling is a legal activity and at that, and we have policies that mandate every deposit to meet some requirements before being withdrawable, so for gamblers, they already know that any deposits must meet such requirements so that is a bad market for money launderers since they may lose the entire deposits in the process of trying to meet the wagering requirements.

Maybe it is a certain step to prevent money laundering by some people who play in these activities. And if this system can be applied in every casino circulating in a number of countries, then at least criminal acts (money laundering) can be resolved.

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December 04, 2023, 02:44:31 PM
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We all know the recent issue about the mixer status here in the forum. Crypto casino is also being use for money laundering by some criminals that’s why every casino has AML policy.

I’m just curious what will be the fate of crypto casino once money laundering activity from mixer will jump to casino now that mixer will not be advertised here which means it has less exposure. Is there any possibility that crypto casino will be seized by the government just like what happened to mixers in case they failed to screen the laundering activity?
Several casinos have also anticipated this kind of thing by implementing KYC. The same thing happens in some cases of exchange platforms. they suddenly made new regulations regarding their members who had to complete data verification.
If there are transactions that are indeed suspect, there may be a government focus on non-KYC casinos. This is very possible to happen, and when that time comes there will probably be several casinos that might be involved in the case.

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December 04, 2023, 02:44:54 PM
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Money laundering from mixers to crypto casinos is a major concern. The mixer crackdown may reroute illegal flows to casinos, but the business wont die. Why? Because AML policies already monitor crypto casinos. Criminals adapt, but so do regulations. But are present AML policies strong enough to handle this possible surge? The government's mixer seizure shows the dangers of lax regulation. Crypto casinos must adapt and impose strict AML to survive. Government involvement is likely if they fail. How can these platforms evolve to beat launderers and meet regulations? The industry has a huge challenge, but it can also demonstrate its integrity and compliance.

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