JustBit.io scamming again so much for No KYC for Crypto

[cryptoplayer111]

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

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[Nwada001]

First, the format you use to report your scam is not correct. You need to use the right scam accusation format to make things easier.
 
Secondly, you don't just need to believe whatever welcome note you see on a platform, be it a casino or any other platform that requires you to entrust them with your money. Always make time to go through their T&C and see what they say about your account registration, withdrawal, and deposit, and see if they truly do not care for KYC.
 
I just did a quick search and found out that some other members of the forum have already figured out the KYC part and quoted it in a thread where someone asked for it. I will quote their terms and conditions for you to see where they clearly state they will request KYC.

Know your customer (kyc)

After registration process the User shall provide JustBit with valid identification information under these Know Your Customer (KYC) procedures. The User shall undergo KYC procedure after completing the registration of User’s Account and:

   Before first withdrawal of funds irrespective of the amount;
    In case of a deposit for the sum equal to or exceeding 2000 euros or its equivalent in virtual currency;
    In case of depositing in amount of 7 500 euros (or its equivalent in virtual currency) or more (by several installments) by the same User during a month.

You can either give the KYC a try if you want to get your withdrawal out of there or you can let it go and don't hope on getting the money out. Maybe the previous withdrawals were not yet up to the amount where they requested KYC, and this your last request could be what clocks it up to that. Maybe that's the reason for the KYC request, just my guess.

[Potato Chips]

They may not require a mandatory KYC but that doesn't mean they can't request if from you since most gambling websites have KYC/AML policies which you have probably triggered. I'm not necessarily saying that the trigger was valid, but merely laying out that they're there which could cause your situation.

Honestly, these services should start going with "no mandatory kyc" instead of "no kyc" so it's clearer but I guess the latter works better for them, ahem.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Honestly, these services should start going with "no mandatory kyc" instead of "no kyc" so it's clearer but I guess the latter works better for them, ahem.

Do they have an ANN on the forum. From the recent update what I get is, a service with no KYC is going to be banned on the forum LOL

have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

That's how all crypto gambling sites advertise their product. You need to read the terms and conditions if you decide to deposit large money.

How much was your total deposit?

[Cantsay]

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Justbit again, I remember responding to a thread back then when a user came to the forum with this same issue about them having the “no kyc for crypto” and yet they requested the user to complete his KYC verification before he could make withdrawal.

I’ll ask that you take a look at this case at casino.guru^[1] to see if you did the same thing that this user was accused to have done that led to his account being confiscated by the casino.

[1] https://casino.guru/justbit-casino-the-player-s-verification-failed

[cryptoplayer111]

How much was your total deposit?

I would understand if it was large amount of money but its only the equivilant of $50 ish on each deposit in DOGE
I have been lucky enough to make a few withdraws of around $200 from them plus another win which is now being KYC

Its so obvious KYC has nothing to do with money laundering or fraud, who would try to do either with $50
It has everything to do with me winning so lets put a stop to that withdrawal..

I mean I dont mind giving ID but giving ID to some random casino that can then be potentially used for fraud...
The whole point in playing crypto is to get away from that endless circle of documentation and giving some random place enough details to steal your identity!!

[acroman08]

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

similar issues like this have been posted against them before, I am not siding with the casino but this is why it is extremely important to read their Terms and Conditions and not just what they advertise on websites or their webpage.

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did they specifically mention that the KYC was because of money laundering or fraud suspicions? the KYC request could most likely be just because of their normal procedure just like how they said on their ToS that after registration gamblers shall provide valid identification under KYC.

[cryptoplayer111]

similar issues like this have been posted against them before, I am not siding with the casino but this is why it is extremely important to read their Terms and Conditions and not just what they advertise on websites or their webpage.

did they specifically mention that the KYC was because of money laundering or fraud suspicions? the KYC request could most likely be just because of their normal procedure just like how they said on their ToS that after registration gamblers shall provide valid identification under KYC.

Was aware, but those t&cs also exist on other casinos where I have withdrawn thousands and thousands without being bothered once.. they put those t&cs as a condition of licence no doubt however *some* decent crypto casinos are not KYC anyway

Yes I replied and asked and they said it was for security risk and potential money laundering/fraud.. which of course is ridiculous considering the tiny sums involved..any excuse not to pay out

[PX-Z]

Yes I replied and asked and they said it was for security risk and potential money laundering/fraud.. which of course is ridiculous considering the tiny sums involved..any excuse not to pay out

So you won't go with their KYC? And will just go along with their "excuse"?
You know what banners (no kyc) are for? Its just marketing gimmick, you should read other information more, they obviously have their kyc page[1] means that they ask for that, not mandatory though because you said you already got a successful withdrawal before. It only means that they have limit user overall withdrawals, and other stuff to required KYC.
And isn't most casino asked KYC? You should know better than that, and ready yourself anytime a casino ask for it

[1] https://justbit.io/policy/kyc

[Potato Chips]

Do they have an ANN on the forum.

I don't think they do, my search returned no ANN thread.

From the recent update what I get is, a service with no KYC is going to be banned on the forum LOL

Were you talking about the upcoming ban on mixers? I think they should be fine since they have KYC/AML policies* + no mixing function (as far as I can see).

*= saw them marketing their service with "no kyc for crypto users" but they still have KYC/AML policies that indicate they can request it any time if they deemed so.

[logfiles]

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

I am not surprised. It's a clear message that they hate when you win and probably want to make your life hard on the platform until you abandon it. This is a common practice with some casinos, and I don't like it any bit.

I prefer a casino that;
1. Asks a client for KYC the very first moment they want to make a deposit if they are really serious about their KYC/AML Policies. Not only applying it when they make a win.
2. Returns all the client's funds (deposits and winnings) and close the account if he refuses to perform KYC verification. Not using a client's funds as a ransom to acquire his KYC documents

Check this thread: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[CryptSafe]

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Before you accuse a casino of scam attempt, you too should have a back up for your claims because you can not be here accusing people of what you do not have proof and backup evidence against them. Do well to present your facts and figures about your claims rather.

If you want  attention as desired, you should quickly do the needful by presenting facts and figures at hand  as to back up your claims.

Possibly you did not read their terms and conditions of service before engaging with them otherwise you would not be complaining. This is the reasons why people are advised to properly take out time to read through terms and conditions before making deposit with casinos so as not to have any issues when withdrawal of wins. People fail to understand this aspect of organisation's.

[cryptoplayer111]

Before you accuse a casino of scam attempt, you too should have a back up for your claims because you can not be here accusing people of what you do not have proof and backup evidence against them. Do well to present your facts and figures about your claims rather.

If you want  attention as desired, you should quickly do the needful by presenting facts and figures at hand  as to back up your claims.

Possibly you did not read their terms and conditions of service before engaging with them otherwise you would not be complaining. This is the reasons why people are advised to properly take out time to read through terms and conditions before making deposit with casinos so as not to have any issues when withdrawal of wins. People fail to understand this aspect of organisation's.

thanks for your amazing input

[pinggoki]

They may not require a mandatory KYC but that doesn't mean they can't request if from you since most gambling websites have KYC/AML policies which you have probably triggered. I'm not necessarily saying that the trigger was valid, but merely laying out that they're there which could cause your situation.

That's a bad way to do business, lying to your customers whom they've trusted that they're not going to need any type of KYC to play there and from what OP had said, the withdrawal came from a win so how the hell can that be a possibility that the money comes from a money laundering operation? It's weird thay they've allowed OP to withdraw 3 times with no problem and then do this stuff, maybe OP really did flag some identifiers for a money laundering that the team has put in their site or they're just being an asshole, the only way that I can think that OP has created this kind of problem is that the last 3 withdrawals were consistent to a schedule or something like that.

Honestly, these services should start going with "no mandatory kyc" instead of "no kyc" so it's clearer but I guess the latter works better for them, ahem.

That's the same thing for many people though? The semantics and the meaning of the words will just be the same for some people and at the same time it's going to confuse them anyway. When it comes to this stuff, there's no grey area, it's either there's a KYC or there's no KYC.

[cryptoplayer111]

That's a bad way to do business, lying to your customers whom they've trusted that they're not going to need any type of KYC to play there and from what OP had said, the withdrawal came from a win so how the hell can that be a possibility that the money comes from a money laundering operation? It's weird thay they've allowed OP to withdraw 3 times with no problem and then do this stuff, maybe OP really did flag some identifiers for a money laundering that the team has put in their site or they're just being an asshole, the only way that I can think that OP has created this kind of problem is that the last 3 withdrawals were consistent to a schedule or something like that.

Theres no schedule and what kinda money laundering operation deposits $50 a few times in a month, previous withdraws i think were  all between $100-$200ish. Ofc they just being assholes because suddenly you win a few dollar and they dont like it so you are "suspicious" for withdrawing a win because they expect all customers just to lose the lot!!

[holydarkness]

Do they have an ANN on the forum.

I don't think they do, my search returned no ANN thread.

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They're owned by "Casbit Group, N.V.", the same company that own "0xBet" [no, not related to 1xBit], so in all technicalities, they're also under this representative, though I can understand if the contract for the said representative didn't cover "representing justbit" under his job desc.




OP, I am not sure if you're willing to do KYC just for $50 so I am not sure what will you do to resolve this... situation. In all fairness, as other has pointed out, it's there in their ToS, so they can't be blamed for this. Nonetheless, I understand the annoyance. Next time, if you're looking for non-KYC casino, may I suggest you to consult to this very useful thread by Mahdirakib, Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements?

[SmartGold01]

OP, I am not sure if you're willing to do KYC just for $50 so I am not sure what will you do to resolve this... situation. In all fairness, as other has pointed out, it's there in their ToS, so they can't be blamed for this. Nonetheless, I understand the annoyance. Next time, if you're looking for non-KYC casino, may I suggest you to consult to this very useful thread by Mahdirakib, Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements?

I know is bad to face kyc but op should learn one thing in common that most casino often say no KYC but when there is a huge winning this same casino or gamble site would still asked for your details to enable you make withdrawal. Then again op should learn to have patient while using casino's because whenever a fund is deposited in their custody they would try all their best to manipulate people's kyc in order to frustrate them not withdraw their funds.

[sokani]

Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdraw, Apparently "security team" need ID against money laundering!! Who launders $50 only. More like they dont want to pay winnings, have had 3 withdraws from them no problem before, now they go for the KYC demand! Still banner on homepage "No KYC for Crypto", they are scammers and thieves

Perhaps, the amount involved in the 3 withdrawals you initially made were very little, that's why you weren't required to undergo KYC, now you've a balance of $300 and you must comply with their KYC procedures or forfeit your funds or it could be that KYC is newly introduced. Well, this is just a speculation, but I've one advice for you, before creating an account on any gambling platform, take sometime to read through the dotted lines carefully, if you won't undergo KYC, then don't proceed on signing up.

[khaled0111]

most casino often say no KYC but when there is a huge winning this same casino or gamble site would still asked for your details to enable you make withdrawal.

The casino never pretended to be a "no-kyc casino and OP didn't hit a big win.
OP, I didn't play at justbit before but as far as I can see, your accusation is not valid. The casino didn't scam you or steal anything from you. They just asked you to verify your identity. As you already know, this is something they have the right to do, as per their ToS which you have agreed to. So what's your complaint all about?

[hugeblack]

Any site for multiplying money or guaranteed profit is good to be real and therefore a scam. From Deposit $50 crypto, win $300 for withdrawal, you should have made sure that they were scammers, and even if you were able to withdraw, you have helped them rob another investor who may deposit more and not be able to withdraw. .